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In post 8, Scripten wrote:No official voting, no. I think it's beneficial to have votes out at all times, though. After all, a King who doesn't listen to his subjects at all may not be a particularly good king, don't you think?
well ok. this is a little silly scripten, no? how can there not be official voting, yet voting at the same time. any votes won't be count anyway. it's just that the votes are there... unofficially as a way to keep track of everyone's voting preferences/stances
I'm a little confused as to why you think what Script said was silly.
After consulting both a non-player and a List Mod, I have decided that Nikanor is receiving an
official warning for violating Rule 5.3
. Any further violations of this or similar rules
will result in a modkill from here on out
. It is your job as the player to familiarize yourself with and follow the rules, and I suggest you all make sure you know them well. Let me remind you that these rules are for the sake of the fun of the game, not to be unnecessarily restrictive, and this is partly why this infraction did not result in a modkill. The other part is only the claiming of a Kingmaker is explicitly stated as modkill-worthy in the
Careful. Naz is a hydra of two players who are quite good at scumplay. Well, one head is pretty good by my estimate and the other is alleged to be good and I'm inclined to believe.
This iso is suspicious. I don't like that you would instantly scumread a hard town read based on another player whose also reading them as town flipping scum. (God that sentence hurts. Lemme know if it doesn't make sense.) This particular post rubs me the wrong way entirely.
I just dont like his reason for backing off of you so confidently. I'm not promising you are scum if he flipped scum, it would just be alot more plausible. I'm not sold the Naz is scum, these are just early Day 1 reads.
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Post #172 (isolation #25) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:08 am
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
In post 169, Nikanor wrote:though honestly a lot of my grayfoxx read comes from the fact that he chose to iso sabbath first & his iso on me (i haven't read the rest).
Just pointing out the irony. Also I dont think Sabb's post are all that fluffy, alot of iffy scumhunting but nothing has struck me as scum at this point.
That said, the ISO Grayfoxxxxx gave on Naz makes me kind of suspicious of a GF/Naz scumteam. I didn't like the way GF implied that Naz flipping scum would implicate me as scum because of a read Naz gave. Felt massively fake. A little WIFOM-y, though, so I'm on the fence there.
You would not be autoscum. Naz's reason was scummy, and I was speculating he could be killing two birds with one stone. 1.A False read 2. Make you seem more town. Again just speculation.
Is that the only part of that ISO that is bothering you?
In post 171, GrayFoxxxx wrote:[Are you really saying that my Iso's are IIoA, directly after you respond to my analysis of you? Cmon bro.
I have interacted, I can give proof.
You're
analysing
every single post, so that is always IIoA. You're describing people in your ISO search instead of pointing out discrepancies and asking about them.
Aegor will catch up today, he promised.
-Tier
I am dealing with it by saying it is scummy.
I have gave plenty of analysis.
IIoA- information INSTEAD of analysis. You even refuted my analysis. HOW CAN IT BE IIOA IF THERE IS ANALYSIS TO DISAGREE WITH?
The mafia wiki says scum like to throw are buzzwords like this. It's even worse because IIoA makes zero sense in this situation. Why are you tring to twist my words?
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Post #210 (isolation #34) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:29 am
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
In post 209, Nazarene wrote:Sure, I'll explain it once more.
By talking about every post and calling the majority of them null, you fill your posts, without providing a lot of content. You mark individual posts as fluffy or slightly scummy, without thinking about the whole picture, what views someone is having, what someone is pushing, etc. You just talk about everything that comes by. This makes your posts full of
information
, but thin on
analysis
. As such, information instead of analysis, or IIoA. IIoA is a pretty decent scumtell these days.
In your town game, I saw a lot of questions asked instead of the only commenting you are doing here. Why do you presume that is?
I also saw your ISO was void of any (in my opinion useless) ISO reads as presented here. What made you want to do ISO reads here?
-Tier
2 null reads out of 9 isn't majority. And if you are talking about individual posts you try to analyze the ones I didn't get reads from.
First you say I had no analysis now you call it thin. you could call any analysis thin at that point. I repeat, IIoA does not work here. Very scummy to keep pushing it.
Are you really trying to Meta me off of my first noob game? Weak. Show me one person who still plays the way they did in their first game.
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Post #214 (isolation #36) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:46 am
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
In post 213, Nazarene wrote:I am feeling like Quinoa should probably have the crap executed out of him if we do not reach a clear consensus elsewhere.
@SABBATH:
Please explain your Nik scumread beyond the completely ridiculous claim that he attempted to execute the king. I do not see why that scumread has remained so implacable.
@Grayfoxxx:
Untwist your panties. First, stop confbiasing. Asking the mod a question is null from any party. Such a question can only "feel" fake or genuine because of a prior-established read. Second, IIoA does not mean no analysis at all every in any way anywhere. It means that someone is essentially coasting on providing info instead of incisively punching into the game on analysis. Posting one-line responses that simply offer an impression of a post with no discussion do not count as analysis; they count as information because you are essentially just quoting someone and then calling them scum.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
-A
I challenge you to find someone who agrees with you. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Nika did.
In post 210, GrayFoxxxx wrote:Are you really trying to Meta me off of my first noob game? Weak. Show me one person who still plays the way they did in their first game.
I generally try to take as many things as possible into consideration. Why so defensive?
-Tier
You were pretty insinuating when it came to my meta. Why wouldn't I respond to that?
I don't feel like Greyfoxx's ISO reads line up with the content inside them. I'm very hesitant to follow the crowd in that the action over rides the content. I think he has been very buddying towards the King and that his attempts to be overly towny are fake. Someone may have told him to "try to look like a good little villager(see post 1 for reference)" because IMO, his actions have been a little over the top. I am hard claiming this as SCUM.
Could you please point to my buddying? And give reason to why its buddying please
One is that to believe the D1 king may not be town, is creating WIFOM against a preconceived notion that he is. (Also greyfoxx called mantis null, even though he's buddying so hard).
Now that I think each of them are scum for their own reasons, I'm going back to GreyFoxx's 154. His evaluation of Maxous's 149 seems to be
a little
lacking and I'm not sure what to think of his 55 evaluation.
Comparing that to his evaluation of Scripten 115 there is no comment on Scripts actual reads, only information that he presented them. Coupled with an evaluation that Scripten isn't the Kingmaker.
According to Scripts post 185 he seems to be very suspicious of being pared with Naz. And I think he has the right to be, seeing as GreyFoxx's evalation of Script's play didn't mention Naz at all.
Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful.
You say below he could be my scum partner but you say above you understand why Script got defensive. I dont think you can have one with the other.
Greyfoxxx is obvscum. By PoE, his posts either point to Scripten or Maxous as his partner. Scripten's push back leads me to believe that Scripten is inno on this one.
Ive already explained that I am speculating on a link (if any) between the two. For a better explanation refer to my post 189. Seems like you are grabbing at straws here. Town doesn't do that
You say below he could be my scum partner but you say above you understand why Script got defensive. I dont think you can have one with the other.
I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be eliminating any suspects entirely from our scum lists. Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement. He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence.
FoS: Grayfoxx
I don't think he meant that at all.
He said-
Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful
He is saying it doesn't make sense I am linking a scum read with a strong town read. (I wasn't linking anyway just a speculation I have already explained)
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Post #253 (isolation #42) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:56 pm
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
In post 250, SABBATHonSABBATH wrote:
Your cutesy all hails, and m'lord statements are clearly directed towards Mantis. Do you think that if you say nice things to him, he'll town read you? I say it's buddying -to a null read non the less.
Are you ignoring my other posts about him? Plus I am just trying to keep the style of the game up. My good sir.
His defensiveness makes it more likely that he isn't your partner. Scripten read it for what I said. Maybe I should have added in something like Scripten defense seems to be motivated by a town mindset, or something complicated and wordy like that.
Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.
The "straw" that I'm grabbing at here is your towniest town read catches an associative scum read about 3 posts later even though you seem to have no reason to suspect him as being any sort of scum.
Are you ignoring my other posts about him? Plus I am just trying to keep the style of the game up. My good sir.
yea, and it's not any sort of posting restriction. Which posts should I be ignoring? Is it 158
His defensiveness makes it more likely that he isn't your partner. Scripten read it for what I said. Maybe I should have added in something like Scripten defense seems to be motivated by a town mindset, or something complicated and wordy like that.
Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.
"Scripten's push back leads me to believe that Scripten is inno on this one." -ozzy
Why did you flat out ignore my answer to this?
189 So you are justifying your scum read on Scripten by WIFOM? If I'm supposed to believe that you are telling the truth, then you expect me to believe that since Nazarene is now your biggest scum read, you're claiming a Nazarene/Scripten scum team. If not, why did you say it? Explain your scum read on Scripten.
~
Josh_B
Ozzy
1- Still you are ignoring my other posts towards him. But it doesn't matter, your buddying claim is so weak. I called Mantis King a few times. Big deal.
2. All you did was rephrase. Did not answer how the two statements are parallel. Why?
3. Dont really have a scum read on him, what are you talking about. You are trying to go in circles with this all day. Why?
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Post #284 (isolation #46) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:47 am
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
To expand on 2-
"Scripten's push back leads me to believe that Scripten is inno on this one."
We all get this part. The trouble is where you said he read your post correctly.
Ill repost my quote, where I quoted you guys.
Wait wait wait. How did what you said translate to what Scripten said???? "Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read." I dont see it. So this really means "He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence." I call B.S. Someone else please give me some insight.
So explain how in any world would those to quotes mean the same thing. All I did was copy and paste. No word twisting or anything.
In post 286, Maxous wrote:
i like scripten's early play a lot particulary #52 as i mentioned, last half a dozen posts have gotten weaker but still have a moderate town read here.
Yeah... I spent eight hours writing essentially a third of my college's newspaper yesterday. I've just not had time to keep up.
That said, my play may look weaker because my reads are evolving. I'm having trouble with the Grayfoxxxxx/SoS argument that's going on. On the one hand, SoS's claim of GF buddying Mantis is BS and should really be dropped. On the other hand, I feel like GF isn't understanding what SoS said.
"Greyfoxx's evaluation of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at Naz and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful."
This is saying that GF is suggesting a scumteam between a player and someone he believes to be town based on associative POE reads. It's nonsensical and was the first, biggest problem I've had with GF's play.
If Quinoa doesn't stop active lurking, I'm going to push until he gets executed, because his current play is crap. (Am I wrong, peeps? If so, please tell me why.)
Ok where am I getting lost. Im going to break this down.
"Greyfoxx's
evaluation
of tiershift seems to be clearly pointing a finger at
Naz
and linking him as scum with his bestest town read. This is aweful."
My evaluation of Naz(scum) links my best townread (Script) to him(naz). He was saying how could I link a scum to my best town read.(which i have explained)
Now you both are saying that quote somehow meant I was acting scummy, and trying to frame script as my partner. HOW HOW HOW
I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be eliminating any suspects entirely from our scum lists.
Likewise, this is pretty misrepresentativ of SoS's statement. He said that your posts lean toward you trying to implicate me as your scum partner (Assuming you are scum) and said that my reaction and push back suggest my innocence.
This is saying that GF is suggesting a scumteam between a player and someone he believes to be town based on associative POE reads. It's nonsensical and was the first, biggest problem I've had with GF's play.
Wtf. You FoS me for my interpretation. Then you use the same interpretation I did, on your second quote, after Naz says you where right in your first one. This really stinks right now.
Naz said you were correct in your first quote why did you change it? And why would Naz say it was correct when it obv wasn't? Realy really stinks
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Post #301 (isolation #52) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:59 pm
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
Still on my phone so I can't format like I want.
Script FoS me for misrepresenting what San said.
Sab says script was correct in his read. Which would make me wrong.
I ask how did what Sab said translate to what script said.
Sab hasn't commented since.
Suddenly me and Script have the same interpretation.
Script is looking really bad. Sab hasn't elaborated, and I'm not what that means.
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Post #304 (isolation #54) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:34 pm
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
Don't try to ignore this by calling it omgus. You haven't answered. You just switched your stance on what Naz said. After FoSing me for the stance you switched to.
In post 283, GrayFoxxxx wrote:1- Still you are ignoring my other posts towards him. But it doesn't matter, your buddying claim is so weak. I called Mantis King a few times. Big deal.
2. All you did was rephrase. Did not answer how the two statements are parallel. Why?
3. Dont really have a scum read on him, what are you talking about. You are trying to go in circles with this all day. Why?
It's more about your attempts to look town being overly exxagerated.
Scripten cannot be simultaneously town and scum partners with Nazarene.
Any possible logic that could justify your thoughts of Scripten and Nazarene being the scum team, is circular.
I think maxous is scum too for the record. I'm not sure why this Scripten thing is more of an issue.
Who else but you is saying I'm trying to seem town. It's still a non substance argument. Wow I said All hail the king in a kingdom themed game I must be scum.
Did I ever claim your second point? More false context framing.
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Post #314 (isolation #58) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:28 pm
Postby GrayFoxxxx »
Why won't you acknowledge scripts flip floppy behavior? You said his first understanding of you post was right. So Ipoint out that it doesn't make sense and you have avoided it.