Micro 310: Shitty Joke Smalltown II (game over)

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Didn't I get the loveliest role.

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@Tier: You have the best role.

I know. I'll probably not be NK'd.

Umm, does the plan still work if not all powers are town? I guess yes, but if the cop is scum it's a pretty much worthless plan that doesn't make good use of the global roleblocker.

I think we should be very careful with voting, considering we have a lynch at L-1 cos hammerer and we have a doublevoter.

I don't think a day 2 MyLo is possible seeing how we would have 6 votes day 3 with max 3 of them being controlled by scum.

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Hmm, day 2 can indeed be mylo, damn.

On another thought, the plan proposed is the best plan.

As for the night action plan in post 37, naturally I'm in favour of it, because we may as well do it. Note that the plan won't work if any of the three night actions involved are by scum.
If Brian Skies is scum, he can simply kill me tonight, and then kill Yiley on N2.
If I am scum, I can kill Yiley on N2.
If Yiley is scum, it's all an exercise in futility anyway.

This is incorrect. If brian doesn't use his roleblock, we PL him. If yiley turns up dead day 3, we PL you.
It only fails when yiley is scum.

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Tier: what were you thinking would be the best use of the global rb?

On another thought, the plan proposed is the best plan.

Eh, the problem is that we lose our only investigative and protective roles, in those situations. Sure, we get one of the two scum, but still.

Lol, are you even serious.

Don't even try to say that catching a scum and losing investigative roles is worse than not having info.

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No lynch is awful and should not be attempted.

@Farside: idk actually. I thought maybe a better opportunity would arise later in the game when reads are better and then saving a day would be more fruitful.

@Mitillos:
The plan is just going to work. If someone sabotages it, they get PL'd. Easy stuff.

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VOTE: farside

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@Absta: I'm still curious about this question:
There was really no one invovled in the game during the mil/you/tier. So why did you specifically only put me as avoiding the game?

Not invlolved is different from avoiding. T-Shift brought my attention to you by voting with no stated reason. I looked into why he would vote you and came up with a reason. What I find interesting though is how you haven't question T-shift for his vote. Can you explain that please.

Wow, you came up with a reason, while I actually didn't have a reason. Why do you attribute thoughts to me that I don't have nor question the vote and just sheep it?

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UNVOTE:

I want to vote absta but I'm kinda scared something goes wrong with voting mechanics and stuff.

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Yeah, let's not do that.

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So far I don't like Brain's entrance into this game. It's odd to me. Tier is another one. He talks about holding off on using the 1-shot global RB for another useful time but doesn't say what it is. When pushed by me I don't really get an answer that makes any more sense.

I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, but I changed my mind on using the RB at a later moment. I hadn't thought much about it when I said that, but now I think the best time would be N1.

@brian:
2 no lynches would be quite ridiculous but 1 no lynch might work.

I guess we all need to realize that if we mislynch twice day 3 is mylo and we just can't trust the cop, he might give a guilty on a townie if he's scum.

Farside and absta are probably town.

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Oh and guys trying to find the best plan for town is not something only town does and as a matter of fact very easily fakeable by scum because there's no feelings/opinions involved, just hard facts.

With that, I'd like to
VOTE: privateI
Come out of your little setup shell and start commenting on the game!

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No lynch day 1 is awful
Day 2 I can live with it seeing now that we end up on mylo otherwise

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Brian, a lynch day 1 will give us something to work with. If we afterwards decide we want to no lynch, so be it. But let's just play this like a normal day 1.

Farside, yiley will probably give himself away at some point in time, but I didn't really think about him much yet.

Yiley, obvtown pls kthx.

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Micc, prepare to be subject to heavy paranoia

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I'm pretty sure privateI does not know yiley's scum game.

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I know I will be referring to it multiple times throughout this game.

Already got your next moves planned, scum?

On a more serious note, there's more than a few people doing nothing but mechanics discussion and it's not to my liking.

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When I am scum there is nothing to plan. Town miraculously lynches itself while I act like I don't have any clue whats going on.

Oh you

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So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley.

Is it shitty cold-meta time?

I'll get more involved tomorrow I hope.

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Yiley looks like how he played in my other game him when he was town. I am leaning town on Yiley for now.

Micc's play looks similar to his play in the game where he was scum. I went back and compared I don't see anything that suggest he is town. So I am leaning scum on Micc.

Shitty meta party revisited?

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I believe the scum is in Micc/Private/Brian/Tier.

Is it just for the fact we aren't helpful?

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Catchup :

Micc what is your opinion on far side/absta?

He just said so in the post before, what was the point of this question?

NOT SCUMHUNTING

Seriously, this guy gets called in with a prod, and responds by more mechanics discussion? There was enough content to at least comment on, so that sucks.

Why is there interest only in me and absta? Are you only scum searching based on roles? If so why?

Knowing all the roles makes it easier to see how the game might pan out. Because of your roles, this game is going to revolve around you and absta. Maybe not in day one, but farther down the road being solid on these two reads is going to be absolutely necessary. So yes, I am scum searching based on roles. It also helps that I have a newly finished game with half the player list. Im fairly confident that I can read Yiley. jklash and Tiershift not as much, but at least I have experience playing with them. Newbie 1474 in case anyone cares.

Mehhhhhhh..... so you're only scumhunting based on roles and nothing else? Convinced you can read me, yiley and jklash (like really but sure think that) but then not question us, trying to form these reads?

If it helps my town reads:

Mil
Abasta

questionable

Micc - I found his questions pretty bland and a few that I don't see how he can get an alignment read by them.

leaning scum

brain - machinc's talk. Going to the will of the town (it's odd but I need to see how much experience he has before I call it scummy) *on my to do list*

I think your reads are fine, the only one I have problems with is mit. Why is he so town to you? All I see in his posts is nullness and dullness and I can't say I really like that for town.

Nothing else is jumping out at me about anyone expect Yiley. So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley.

UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Yiley

Why are you not interacting with him, asking him questions?

I am trying to get people sorted out just not posting about it

Please come post, or I might be inclined to vote you. How do you feel about micc's vote on you?

[more mechanics talk

No pls

So far, micc and brian don't really appease me, private is conpletely gone and yiley refuses to cooperate. Mit is null and absta and farside look town, but I'm not 100% there. Jklash feels different from his last town game but it looks more like his game improved than that he's scum.

Micc, who can read me so well, what's your read on me?

Mitillos, who is scummiest atm and why?

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Cute.

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I hope you see the irony of a hammerer and a treestump present

P-edit:
Yiley is easy to read imo so just leave that shit to me. If he's scum, he's more likely to be evasive and distant while if he's town he's actively asking (semi-dumb) questions that are relevant in some way or another.

Tier is just terribly scummy at this point as well because he's only seemed to find one person scummy (private) who hasn't even been posting anything.

Uh no?

It seems to me that he's scared of calling people scummy so he doesn't have to commit. That explains his vote on private and why he uses terms like "so that sucks" to describe scummy play.

I'm sorry you're not used to using the same language as I do.

'That sucks' implies that it's scummy, bro, get your ass out of here with non-commital.

You really can't filter out of my post who my scumspects are?

P-P-edit:
Lol I've been voting lurkers, call the police.

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completely fucking shit playstyle.

Also yiley has feelings probably yaknow

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Lol, trying to get me mod killed?

I don't hold back as scum, buddy. Scumbuddy.

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Okay then Tier, who are your scumspects and why aren't you voting them (Brian and Micc are more vote worthy then Private btw).

You even mention them in this post, so I think you know!

Private is voteworthy for not doing a fucking shit this game. In fact, if he comes back from his v/la and still doesn't do anything, I'd be happy to have him lynched.

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^what I'm wondering too

@Tier - So you'd rather PL than lynch scummy players?

No. I'll tell you what my intentions with pushing for private are soon, hopefully. I don't think he's necessarily been scummy but he can sure use a couple of good ole lurker votes.

mitillos, I think my scumreads were pretty clear and I'm not spelling out everything, if you can't read, your problem.
I've seen yiley being misread quite a shitton of times and scum always push for him, that's why I'd rather not leave it to absta's judgement. I myself have never read him wrongly. Not to boast in any way.

Mit, I have problems reading your posts due to.the awful paragraphing style that you have. Is it somrthing you always do?

Jk, I don't think yiley's play here has been anything like in newbie 1474. The newbness and clumsiness are always part of his play. Do you see any attempts at figuring out the game like last time, or what else does strike you as resembling his previous game?

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Why is there interest only in me and absta? Are you only scum searching based on roles? If so why?

Knowing all the roles makes it easier to see how the game might pan out. Because of your roles, this game is going to revolve around you and absta. Maybe not in day one, but farther down the road being solid on these two reads is going to be absolutely necessary. So yes, I am scum searching based on roles. It also helps that I have a newly finished game with half the player list. Im fairly confident that I can read Yiley. jklash and Tiershift not as much, but at least I have experience playing with them. Newbie 1474 in case anyone cares.

Mehhhhhhh..... so you're only scumhunting based on roles and nothing else? Convinced you can read me, yiley and jklash (like really but sure think that) but then not question us, trying to form these reads?

Not sure if you're intentionally putting those words in my mouth, or just didn't read very closely.

Nothing else is jumping out at me about anyone expect Yiley. So far this game looks more like scum-Yiley than town-Yiley.

UNVOTE: Farside
VOTE: Yiley

Why are you not interacting with him, asking him questions?

Because interacting with Yiley usually ends with me wanting to close my laptop and not play mafia for the rest of the day. It's not like he is here to interact with anyways.

Micc, who can read me so well, what's your read on me?

Again with the putting words in my mouth? I have you as null right now.

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Farside is back to town. Mitt is town. Brian is not as scummy as before imo. Jklash is not a town read anymore. Not so sure on Micc scum anymore but still think he's a possibility. Worst case scenario, Yiley and Jklash are scum.

Brian hasn't done any new shit so explain what changed about him.
I don't see what changed about jklash either.

If you're gonna put up your reads and not explain them you might as well not post them.

Also, if you'd actually post something decent as to why I'd be scum, I'd be happy.

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I must have missed it, what's the irony?

The hammerer basically is a living treestump; their vote doesn't matter.

Got anything more to convince me this is your town game other than just saying so?

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Yiley gives off zero townvibes. He's been posting in mishmash while not here. I expected him to get involved in the past few days if he were town, but he hasn't done so. I don't give a shit about him being cop, we just lynch scum.

VOTE: yiley
L-2 by my count.

Absta is a shit lynch micc, why do you think it's decent?

I don't thnk we should use the RB tonight if we lynch yiley, but I don't really have any clue as to when to use it since it will just put us at even numbers instead of odd which sucks, basically.

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Hey!

I just discovered the use of our RB.

If we get to LyLo with townabsta alive, it's insta-over.

If we get to MyLo with townabsta alive, it's not until town votes.

So the RB should be used I think and preferably before brian is dead, that'd be N1.

Thoughts?
Absta makes a fine PL anyway day 2.

Micc, if you're scum this game, please hand yourself in to the police for protectivr custody since you're a psychopath then.
P-edit:
Ew absta, micc's selling me on you. Why the crap are you standing by while yiley is being wagoned, 'seeing the case', but not forming your own opinion on it?

What's up with the gay strategy you have in which town players die and then town players get investigated?

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Yeah I didn't consider you as PL

Or as scum candidate up to your latest posts

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Your reads look fake because they change despite the person hardly posting in between.

Micc, while I agree that it is weird that his read just changed and I do want him to explain why, why exactly would scum change their reads based on nothing? I think they'd be more inclined to stick to their reads.

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Deadline absta wagon anyone? (Jokes I'd rather vote yiley)

@Tier

Ew absta, micc's selling me on you. Why the crap are you standing by while yiley is being wagoned, 'seeing the case', but not forming your own opinion on it?

I'm not standing by, i'm voting you because you look more scummy. Also, I don't think you realise how easy it would be to form a fake opinion on Yiley at this point. Thinking I look scummy because I "haven't formed my own opinion" is weak.

No, you are refraining from giving your own opinion on the yiley wagon and just seemingly agree with others' opinions, as is demonstrated here:

However, your case on him has shown that his play and attitude as town has been different to this. For that reason he is prob scum.

Calling you out for that is not 'weak' and I'd prefer if you stop discrediting my attacks, tyvm.

Look at this:

Yiley gives off zero townvibes. He's been posting in mishmash while not here. I expected him to get involved in the past few days if he were town, but he hasn't done so.

The first bit is a really bad reason to call someone scum. If someone doesn't look town, they are null, not scum.
Pointing out that Yiley has been posting elsewhere is what I did in post #234, so that's nothing done on your part.
The last statement is the only part you could vaguely call a reason, and it's an easy one to make at that (I'd expect town-him to do 'X' but he hasn't so I think he's scum).

I like to think I'm quite adept at reading yiley and him giving out townvibes or not is how I gauge him. If you have problems with that, send the mod a complaint letter.

P-edit: lol are you srsly settling for your third (at best) scumread with both of your bigger scumreads on the wagon? Shame on you. I'm happy your vote doesn't actually mean anything.

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Jeez, scum hard bus day 1 buddy, you better know it.

Also, micc, we didn't talk about the irony of you being 1-shot BP yet, feel free to make some quasi-stinging remarks.

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Derp mafia have daytalk lol

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An absta vote is also perfectly acceptable.

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This math hurts my brain.

I think absta's lynch buys us an extra day since he has a scumvote basically but someone may check that for me

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You think the RB is town?

Not necessarily. But if he is, we should use his power sooner rather than later.

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I think your scenarios are correct, micc. An easier way to observe it:
In regular LyLo/MyLo, if absta is town, we lose, because absta's vote can be used by scum. Thus, absta's vote is a scum vote. If we eliminate a scum vote during the day by lynching him, then lose a town vote during the night, we lost a town and a scum vote. Hence, not closer to lylo so a free lynch.

I'm all for lynching yiley still and then PL absta day 2.

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6/2 or 7/1
Now what?

If 6/2 and you are scum you can quickhammer with only one townvote somewhere

Then 4/2 and you control 4 votes (since absta is 1) thus win

If at 6/2 we lynch absta scum have max 3 votes day 3 and thus can't quickhammer.

In the worst case scenario it's a free lynch.

With you town and him town it isn't I think but I'm not sure.

Anyway I'm pretty sure brian needs to use his shot tonight since tomorrow may be MyLo.

We're pushing the PL because it's a free lynch, it wins us a day.

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No it's on the belief that absta is town. If he's scum, even more reason to lynch him.

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The reason is that, just as a town hammerer can be manipulated by scum, a scum hammerer can be manipulated by the town.

Are you suggesting that in the situation day 3 with 0 scum lynched with absta alive, town should quicklynch before scum get the opportunity to? Doesn't seem like a good strategy.

Ayway, I'm not getting on board with a PrivateI lynch, since that would really be only because he's lurking (which is not alignment indicative). In yiley's case, the lurking and refusing to get involved ís alignment indicative.
Pri=lurker yiley=scum.


Can you please vote yiley, we're getting dangerously close to deadline.

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I thought you guys said his lurking wasn't alignment indicative.

What's your read on PrivateI?

I have no idea who the first sentence refers to. To the second, null.

Farside stop messing up quotes pls.

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Yeah, so I'm going to throw that out for the purposes of this game. The play there as a whole is much more chaotic, there are three days per real life day, and I'm seeing completely different play there than here in any game.

Right now, I'm not seeing scum Yiley,

though I will focus on him while

re-reading

.

All right, I'm hoping that Yiley is scum since I don't think anyone else is going to get wagoned this close to deadline. Keep in mind that he is now at L-2.

VOTE: Yiley[/b]

Yeah, thanks for the reread and comments on the gamestate. Thanks for expressing scumreads.

Instead of that, you just stroll by with a supposed yiley vote whilr you don't scumread him.

Fake votes are gay, btw.

I have to control myself not to start a wagon.

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Well, I really hate deadline wagons.

I want Pri to get in here and tell me what that latest post was all about.

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It's damn obvious fake vote

Which doesn't seem logical at all for scum.

I'm way more comfy with the yiley lynch.

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Hmm. I just can't believe Pri doesn't know his vote doesn't count that way.


Anyway, if the fucker doesn't show upbefore deadline, I could vote him, I gues..

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So much for being able to read yiley.

I'm gonna run the numbers once again and come up with a plan.

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I give up

Your reads are the awesomo

Serious post tomorrow.

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I'm running the numbers here. Please don't discuss this, but use it as a reference.
Note that when townabsta is alive, it's MyLo instead of LyLo and LyLo instead of a straight scum win.
I've taken a farside NK in case she is town, as that is the worst scenario votewise.

4 cases:
1. Absta is town, farside is town
2. Absta is town, farside is scum
3. Absta is scum, farside is town
4. Absta is scum, farside is scum

Case 1

day 2: 9 votes, 3 controlled by scum.

town lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 3 controlled by scum-->LyLo

scum lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 2 controlled by scum-->day 4 LyLo

absta lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 2 controlled by scum-->MyLo

farside lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 3 controlled by scum-->LyLo

case 2

day 2: 9 votes, 4 controlled by scum-->MyLo

town lynch

day 3: 7 votes, 4 controlled by scum-->GAME OVAH

scum lynch

day 3: 7 votes, 3 controlled by scum-->MyLo

absta lynch

day 3: 7 votes, 3 controlled by scum-->LyLo

farside lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 2 controlled by scum-->day 4 LyLo

case 3

day 2: 9 votes, 2 controlled by scum

town lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 2 controlled by scum-->MyLo

scum lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 1 controlled by scum-->day 4 MyLo

absta lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 1 controlled by scum-->day 4 MyLo

farside lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 2 controlled by scum-->MyLo

case 4

day 2: 9 votes, 3 controlled by scum

town lynch

day 3: 7 votes, 3 controlled by scum-->LyLo

scum lynch

absta lynch

day 3: 7 votes, 2 controlled by scum-->day 4 LyLo

farside lynch

day 3: 6 votes, 1 controlled by scum-->day 4 MyLo

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As we can see here, policy lynching townabsta only works if farside is scum. Else, it will just put us into MyLo instead of LyLo, which is useless.

However, if farside is scum, we should absolutely lynch her, but I don't think she is.

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Okay then Tier, who are your scumspects and why aren't you voting them (Brian and Micc are more vote worthy then Private btw).

You even mention them in this post, so I think you know!

Private is voteworthy for not doing a fucking shit this game. In fact, if he comes back from his v/la and still doesn't do anything, I'd be happy to have him lynched.

What happened to your scum reads on Brian and Micc and why aren't you voting one of them now?

Also, explain why it was better for you to vote Private at the time instead of voting your scum reads Brian and Micc.

I think Micc is town and it should be obvious if you've even read my posts. I just wanted to put a little pressure on Micc earlier.
I'm still unsure about Brian and he's mostly null now. Private just did nothing, came in and hammered our cop.

Ayway, I'm not getting on board with a PrivateI lynch, since that would really be only because he's lurking (which is not alignment indicative). In yiley's case, the lurking and refusing to get involved ís alignment indicative.
Pri=lurker yiley=scum.

Explain this. Why exactly is Yiley scum for lurking and Private not?
To me all you've said here is that "Yiley is not only lurking, he's also lurking!" Refusing to get involved is lurking.

Yiley is always active. Him lurking means he doesn't want to get involved. But hey, I was wrong.

Guys look at the Yiley waggon. At least one scum is on there. Tier or Private, or both.

Yo I agree with the fact that there probably is a scum on there. I think it's Private, but if it isn't him it might just be jklash.

I am suspicious of Tiershift because his Day1 kind of matches the description of his own scum game that he gave me. His interactions with PrivateI end of day one could make them partners.

I'm seriously wondering what kind of description I gave you and how I'm exerting that here ^^

Anyway, I'm quite paranoid about absta. On the one hand, he could be genuinely frustrated town that is determined to lynch from the wagon. On the other hand, he could be looking at an all-town wagon (or a sole scum) and pretend to be frustrated. 249 reinforces that thought, because he says he would lynch yiley, but now he's strictly opposing all who voted yiley and pretends to be the embodiment of rationality.

P-edit: what do you think about absta, farside?

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Also, Tier answer my questions please.

served in a mere 10 seconds, I should become a waiter.

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I'm not calling people scum for voting Yiley, i'm saying there's a very high chance scum voted Yiley with strategic purposes.

I think Micc is town and it should be obvious if you've even read my posts. I just wanted to put a little pressure on Micc earlier.
I'm still unsure about Brian and he's mostly null now.

Private just did nothing, came in and hammered our cop.

Bolded doesn't answer my question. Why were you voting private

at the time

(before your vote on Yiley) instead of your scum reads.

Because half the game was lurking and I was pressuring lurkers out of lurking. You seem to use all kind of neutral behaviours as scumtells.

I don't see Jklash as scum. Other than his other town tells, he was strongly against Yiley's waggon at first. Which doesn't make much sense as scum.

What are his other towntells?

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Being opposed to a wagon and then jumping on it as it's getting traction is a scumtell actually

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I thought such a vote would be considered fake, but I was wrong.

I think there was very little to be gained from reactions at that point in time.

I was asking you about your read on jk, not yiley.

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Lol this is the first time I've ever been called a lurker
If there's a word that describes my play worst it's probably that.

Neutral behaviours like calling private's fake vote, for instance. That's not alignment indicative.

What is your case for me? I still fail to see any actual points.

Just linking a post doesn't explain why jklash is town, elaborate.

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2 useless questions, correct.

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Poe

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yeah ok I don't actually think it's you but I think it's farside even less.

I see only now that there's just 4 people voting for the wagon
that's pretty odd.

I'm gonna reconsider.

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Private needs to come in here and convince us he's not scum.

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I believe private is scum and it is either Micc or Tier as the second scum.

I don't think it's either of us!

Farside, I think you missed my question on absta. Why is he not in your scumspects? Why isn't brian?

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What makes him town in your oppinion?

Let me get back to you on that. I'm going to set this straight in my own mind first.

Tier:

Anyway, I'm quite paranoid about absta. On the one hand, he could be genuinely frustrated town that is determined to lynch from the wagon. On the other hand, he could be looking at an all-town wagon (or a sole scum) and pretend to be frustrated. 249 reinforces that thought, because he says he would lynch yiley, but now he's strictly opposing all who voted yiley and pretends to be the embodiment of rationality

What post from absta gives you this oppinion?

All of them? I talk about a lot of posts in that read, yaknow

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It's his tone. It's like: 'you morons how did you lynch our cop, scum on the wagon 10/10', instead of trying to rationalize, see who drove what and if there actually was scum on the wagon. The worst part is how he said he would vote yiley, but now is attacking all those who did the same.

At the same time, he seems to be trying to figure out the game to some extentd, but he just seems a little...overeager?

It's not that he's solidly scum for me, it's just definitely not a strong town. And I hope you see my points.

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It's just the general feeling I get when he talks about the wagon and I thought 366 showed that he thought lynching the cop was scummy, but upon reading it 5 times it states something else.

Seeing that he doesn't mind being PL'd is a good sign, I guess.

Anyway, we are pointing all our arrows at one person only, pri. What to do when she flips whatever alignment? You (far, absta) are talking about me being scum, why exactly is that again?

Whatcha looking at the clock for? 24 hours almost up?
I think we're not quite ready for the hammer.

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No I'm pushing a lynch on private and have a nullread on absta on whom I don't understand your townread.

I'll talk about micc after an iso.

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I know people read things differently then others, but I'm not sure how you expect me to get your point when you don't show one that I can grasp.

Ok, that's fair.

I don't think he's pri's partner so let's go for the pri flip.

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You know that I already ran all these numbers, right? In a nice and clean format as well.

Will get to the questions later.

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Dodge

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Ok, I'm here.

Let me first get to my Micc read.
For some reason, I had him as town, mostly because of some self-meta he imposed ("I do that when I'm scum"), but I don't really see him that way anymore.

I don't like that he has shown zero paranoia and has been completely certain of anything he's said. I get a slight feeling of him buddying up to me. I don't like that he has shown no scymhunting day 2 but instead kept pushing for an absta PL (which I have proven is stupid), which is easy for scum.

This jumps out at me.

As much as I hate PrivateI for that careless vote on Yiley, and the fact that he too is a useless lurking waste of a player slot, I would still rather lynch Yiley. Yiley's meta shows such a contrast in involved-ness between scum and town that we just can't ignore it.

I intend to hammer Yiley at some point before the end of Day1.

Which is kinda weird since your scumspect (based on a shitty meta-tell) just got hammered recklessly by a lurker. The scumread can't be so big that you just let said lurker walk away with that, even if you know he's town.
Explanation can be the proposed cop scan day 2 on micc, which he wanted to avoid.

I think it's still the best play. Part of me wants to lynch PrivateI for being awful, but the smart thing to do is still to lynch Absta.

Here I see a definite refusal to scumhunt, not trying to figure out PrI's alignment, just calling him scummy and be done with it.

On the other hand, I liked the yiley push at the beginning. The going at absta felt somewhat genuine at first too. Later though meh :/

Micc, who do you actually think is scum?

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PrI who are your scumspects?

More soon I hope.

@Farside: doesn't everyone pay less attention to townreads' alignments than to scumreads' ones? I know I do.
I would certainly not call it indicative of my alignment.

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Primarily because he consistently casts suspicion on others, specifically Tier, without voting,

Absta

. It's straight-up mudslinging.

Sorry. Awkward sentence structures are a thing I enjoy.

Is that really all you have?

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As far as partner I'm leaning a little on BrainK or Micc. More because neither have produced thus far reads on who is scum

Do you think both scum are passive this game?

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Well micc can...

I should reread some more.

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Let me first get to my Micc read.

Cool. You feel about the same way about me as I feel about you. The numbers you posted regarding today's lynch are misleading and outright wrong. I can't tell if you are lying scum or if you actually believe you are right. I actually lol'ed whey you called the case on Yiley a "shitty meta tell". Like actually laughed out loud, not just chuckled in my head.

I'm pretty damn sure that my numbers are correct. You are forgetting that we are at an even amount of players, which normally gets us to MyLo. With absta alive, it gets ue to LyLo in the same amount of days. You can stop thinking that you can do math and no one else can. I'm wondering what's up with the hostility btw.

Micc, who do you actually think is scum?

Jklash is strong town. Farside is not quite as strong town. Private feels like lynchbait, but I'm not sure on that one. I like Brian's posts for the most part, but he's even less engaged in the game than I have been so it is hard to tell. Absta still feels like scum to me, possibly because he needs to die either way and confirmation bias and such. Tiershift and Mitillos are vocally against lynching Absta today which raises eyebrows for me.

You have to see that you are the only one actually in favor of an absta PL (plus PrI but you shouldn't be comforted by that) while everyone else is against it. It's because your math is wrong. You aren't scumhunting, just calling everyone who is against your PL scummy. Now get your head out of your arse, run the math over and over again and come to your senses.

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Farside 4 town 2 scum with absta alive is LyLo not MyLo but the rest is correct if you are town.

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I'm really ashamed by my activity here. I promise a reread at night.

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Spamposting incoming, probably underexplained but everyone is free to ask for explanations

Absta is town I think
Proactive plus the attack on me makes no sense from a scum POV

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Mit town

Now let me get t the people I'm actually really paranoid about atm

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Hmm farside why did you vote yiley at the end of day 1 and not private?

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Oh I just realized farside is confirmed not scum with anyone but pri or absta or she could hammer for a win now.

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I don't even care.

I just thought of this.

We cannot put two votes on anyone in case farside is scum with privateI, a team I could see, I guess.

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We should be crazily careful

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Yeah it's because of the yiley vote

Anyway I'm not really sure just yet I'll have more putting you as either alignment soon

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Well you can throw theories out without a private lynch all you want but my vote on yiley was the meta and lurking is null.
Why is that suspicious?

Do you usually just copy other people's meta reads?

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Private probably isn't scum but just a townie not helping towards his wincon. Unless someone has a more convincing meta research that PrI just randomly quickhammers then lurks away as scum I wouldn't lynch him because he'd be a treestump, nor because I think he's scum. I'd only lynch him because he's a safe lynch.

I don't believe in farside-pri nor in farside-absta so you can be the town voice of reason now farside even tho I haven't really taken a look at your play yet.

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My mind says it's micc due to a several reasons that I will try to present tomorrow.

PoE leaves jk or brian as the partner but I still have to read up on them.

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Having said that, I'm not completely sure on my prI read yet.

Pri. Who are your scumreads? Like scumreads, not people you want lynched.

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Okay, let me stop before I go amd skip over things.

Alright after researching town and scum games from Private I'm leaning scum at this point.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - town


http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go - town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go scum game

As you can see a more clear line of thinking and scum hunting as town, scum less so. I figure if she thought she maybe lynched I would see more fighting and letting people know her scum reads at this point.

I'm not quite sure what you got out of this meta research. He doesn't scumhunt so much so he is probably scum? I don't think he has been this inactive in any other game so they probably aren't comparable.

Was the meta enough to let you sway from your earlier (bad-)townread on him?

@absta: let me try to write up something regarding micc tomorrow, comprehensibility not guaranteed

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@Absta's latest post: I'm not doing associative tells. Just trying to find the 2 scummiest players

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Meh I'm not so sure on private it's just that people who play (self)destructively like this often flip town. As scum you don't play like this because you will not get away with it.

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Yeap, always works.

@Farside: I still don't see what the meta proves and how itchanged your mind about him, you say nonsense about that.

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What changed your mind about private?

A reread. But I need him to convince me of either alignment still.

@Farside: I still don't see what the meta proves and how itchanged your mind about him, you say nonsense about that.

3 people pointed out the yiley stated inactivity as scummy, you pointed out his activity elsewhere. 4 people finding his play scummy (2 which stated knoweledge) means it more likley then not.
Why do you keep ignoring my questions about what makes is scummy?

The thing that makes it scummy is the suddenness of the vote. You never really voiced yiley suspicions earlier.

I still don't understand your meta explanations.

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No, because I don't know anything about pri's style.

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Uh I first want to consider you and pri as a team
Once I've crossed that off I'll move elsewhere

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It could be game ending, yaknow.

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How does this explain your back and forth read on private?

It's just not solid yet.

I'm gonna read up on jk and brian.

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Okay I think jklash is town but there are a few things about him that give me pause, like the quick unvote on micc after being called out on it. Certainly worth another look after AJ gets in.

Brian is hard to read but I think he's very town. He didn't want to vote yiley and he's not going for the easy prI vote either. 498 is lovely.

So....I think it's not farside+PrI which makes farside town to me.

So if I'm correct I have a scumpool of 2 maybe 3 people (micc, pri, (jklash))

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There are a few things about micc that I don't like.
Firstly, there's the lack of true scumhunting. At the beginning of day 1, there's a few useless questions. He was just convinced yiley was scum day 1 (without even the littlest bit of paranoia) and that was that. Now he just pushes the absta PL without trying to figure out who the scum is. He now tries to justify this attack by pointing out how scummy absta is. While he isn't trying to put things into perspective, really trying to see who is town.

To add to that, he compeltely seems to have forgotten absta's reads were fake. That was another thing I didn't like, calling absta's reads fake. They read pretty genuine to me.

Then, there's the fact that he's manipulating me and I wrote up a paragraph about this and it was all incomprehensive so I deleted it. Just trust me here.

1/10 I should stop doing cases

Anyway tldr: vote micc since he's not looking for scum instead manipulating others to vote
VOTE: micc

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Uh AJ I did not call the cop town, really. But keep on reading.

@Farside: what's not to get? If you are scum with PrivateI, the game ends today if we lynch someone else. I don't have a scumread on you, but I need to make sure we don't head towards a certain loss before going after anyone else.

Now that I'm convinced it's not you and PrivateI, I know that there's gonna be an extra day sl I can pursue my scumreads.

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Geez farside if you're scum with pri it's game ending so I can be paranoid, that's all

I'm not calling you scum i was just crossing that one off my list before continuing

don't be dense

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I have no idea what you are talking about, can you pull yourself together please

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I'm wondering how imagining a team which you think is an irrational thing to do makes me scum

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Farside none of that makes me scum now go away

Absta we are not PL'ing you anytime. If we have a town lynch today, a PL will just lead to a town loss directly.

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Absta what do you currently think about micc?

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The main problem I'm having with the PrI lynch is that he's doing the exact same thing as micc right now.

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Just pushing for your PL and not doing anything else.

I doubt both scummembers are doing so and because I think micc is scum PrI is not

But it can also be the other way around with pri scum and micc not perhaps

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I try to read this 15 line wall but it's very hard.

can you neatly line up all questions you want me to answer? I feel like I've answered most of your questions already.

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To add to that, he compeltely seems to have forgotten absta's reads were fake. That was another thing I didn't like, calling absta's reads fake. They read pretty genuine to me.

Oh really?

Stupid and underexplained, but not faked.

What is the point of making a scum team on players you don't read as scum
Why would you be paranoid of a player you don't have a scum read on.

Because it's potentially MyLo and that alone is a reason to give any possible scumteam a renewed look

Micc: I want to PL and game mechanics (why is this scummy) I thought about Brain's point about Micc's passion on the subject and how much he tunnel's on this concept. Everytime he post it is all he thinks about. Not town, but not scum either. It's null in one sense, not really scum hunting but feeling it is best for the town to do.
Question to Tier: How is the above about Micc scummy?

The fact that he doesn't scumhunt is what's scummy, not the fact that he wants a PL.

noticed that Tier found both Private and Jklash vote questionable from Yiley but never asked jklash about his vote. Why?

Idk, never got to it I guess.

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Gdi micc one last time (assuming farside is town):
If we lynch town, tomorrow is lylo
If we lynch townabsta, tomorrow is mylo

Both cases are equally bad.

@Tier: jklash is both town and in the scumpool? Also, why does Brian not going for the Private vote make him town? If anything, that's really the one thing that makes me a bit suspicious of Brian, since he was on PrivateI's wagon, at the end of D1.

Jklash is someone I'm nit really sure about. If anyone in my townreads is scum, it's probably him.

Brian is vocally slightly against the PrI wagon, something I don't think scum would be. If PrI is scum, the buddy would hard bus since he's most likely going down, if he's town, scum have an easy vote parking spot. They wouldn't be against the lynch, I think.

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Are we doing associative tells without flips again

bad farside, bad

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What happened to your pri suspicions btw farside

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Okay, let me first say that I have no idea what the fuck AJ is doing. I don't understand on the basis of what you attack absta and I don't think I get any of your reads.
What do you think of PrI?

@AJ

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I was referring to the people in my scum pile

. Micc, Tier, Private, Brian.

You ignore the fact that in his post two above, he immediately calls Brian TWICE on being unhelpful and 'discussing game mechanics' over content. He also expresses issues with Yiley, so right there you have two people outside of PrivateI...

This shit here is amazing.
If you've read his post properly, you'll see that he doesn't even hint at seeing Brian or Yiley as scum. Look here:

Seriously, this guy gets called in with a prod, and responds by more mechanics discussion? There was enough content to at least comment on,

so that sucks

.

So that sucks? How in the fucking hell do you see that as, "this guys is scum" or "this guys is now one of my scum suspects". All he's doing here is complaining that Brian isn't playing pro-town.

Please come post, or I might be inclined to vote you. How do you feel about micc's vote on you?

This is

not

Tier saying that he'll vote Yiley because he thinks that he is scum. This is Tier saying, start posting or i'm going to push a PL on you. That's something people do to people who lurk, not their suspects.
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I gotta run, i'll come back later. You clearly don't understand what I wrote. Go and read that fucking paragraph again, in context, then come back and apologise for your bs. Thank you.

I've said this before, but just the fact that I use different words to describe feelings of scumminess doesn't make me scum.

@Brian: I really have a hard time describing how I feel about micc. It's just that he made me think exactly like he did which looking back on it was really dumb and groundless for me to do so.

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VOTE: private[/v
I think this is the lymch I want today.

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Ok I'm calling micc and AJ not to be a team.

I just have this feeling that my reads here are horrible.

As it looks I hold the hammer I'm gonna check up once again on both jklash/AJ and absta and make my decision.

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I'm not doing a case. I'm just hammering whoever I think has more chance of flipping scum.

It's just, I'm quite against deadline wagons and I don't think AJ's strong manipulative stances would make much sense as a scum replacement.

Then again I have a sort of townread on absta.

And there's some voice in the back of my head saying there's probably scum between the two.

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Because there is something about you that is not right

And I don't know what

No necessarily something bad, could be your style

I hate the wagon on you tho.

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I cannot make sense of the first 4 questions.

I played with AJ once, here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=35974. He was scum and I was the only one reading him correctly, but I was third party. I can't read him based on meta or something tho.

I think he's being quite manipulative here which he did in the scumgame but might do as town as well.

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I'm more concerned about Aj being lone scum WK'ing Tier than the other way around

I'm concerned about that too!

@Farside: meh, I question what I like to question. I don't usually ignore my buddies as scum tho, if you care for some self-meta.

Rereading starts now.

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Yo I'll hammer in time, dun worry

Whether or not that vote by PrivateI counted, that vote sucks and reeks of survivalism.

This jumps out as language that doesn't fit jklash's writing style. Hmm.

AJ is really weird and shit with his absta suspicions.

Now I'll read absta.

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Hmm, AJ's play of attacking someone with two votes on them and then WK'ing another player who could potentially vote said player is just too similar to a scum agenda.

VOTE: AJ

If he flips scum, either micc or pri is the partner, leaning PrI with the jklash post I quoted.

Be scum again, AJ.

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Dun dun dun duuuuuun

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I agree on not voting. There's something I need to check first.

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Well, I'm not scum.

Jklash's english seems very basic to me and usually foregoes commas. That quote just didn't fit, like somebody wrote it for him. But well, I was wrong.

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I don't know why exactly scum need to be on the AJ wagon. Absta, if you're town, why don't you think both scum can be on your wagon?

I'm thinking of moving towards PrI today but I wanna check why the PrI wagon deflated so badly yesterday.

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Okay, judging from the day 1 yiley wagon we probably have a privateI-someone team or a farside-absta team. Don't give me shtick for thinking about scumteams, I will anyway.

I got very bad feels from farside's late day 2 play and I'm gonna figure those thoughts out.

Absta, why did you vote AJ?

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I don't quite get it, absta. Wasn't PrI way more scummy than AJ? What did you think about jklash?

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That surely seems like a shit plan!

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Okay, what makes me scum then? What's different in my play here than in micro 306?

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All I see is propaganda here.

It makes me waver on my reads.

I think I clearly stated that I wasn't content with the choices I had. PrI would ahve been so much better.

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How is wavering a scumtell? It's what my towngame usually is like.

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I do it all the time when I care about a game. Go read any other towngame of mine.

Lynching scum day 1 makes a game boring.

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Something about the farside absta interaction is nagging me. I think I'll need a full reread of the game and I can't promise when I'll provide it.

@farside: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=36069, for instance and the game micc constantly has been linking.

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Meh then read the game micc linked

I just don't know what you're attacking me on, but if it's inconsistency with my town meta, you're dead wrong.

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1. Wishy washy reads is not a scumtell
2. No scumreads atm isn't a scumtell (I will read and place vote and shit)
3. I'm not an advocate of shitty meta. In fact, I'm against it. I've only played with him as one alignment before, so I have no right to make meta judgement.

Really?

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1. Sometimes, I'm not sure of my reads. Town can be unsure of reads.
2. I'm torn between different options. I'm pretty sure I'm missing something. That's why I don't have clear reads right now.
3. I've played a few games with yiley with him as both alignments.

You are just taking uncertainty as a scumtell while it's super easy to fake certainty as scum. I really don't understand how any of these arguments are pointing towards me being scum.

[TierShift]

In other news, farside is kind of freaking me out with this whole Tiershift thing.

Phew. Someone else who thinks so.

I want to know about your brian suspicions. Are they still there?

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Absta's vote doesn't matter one bit.

I want micc to come in here and talk.

I can't schedule the reread yet.

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I put my scumbuddies at null/town usually and try to create as little WIFOM as possible around them. Brian would be my buddy in this case! But he's town! And so am I!

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My suspicion has to do with wagon analysis and his complete dismissal of Absta as a possible lynch.

Can you share your wagon analysis with us?

How did I dismiss absta as a lynch? By having a townread on him? Why do you think I as scum wouldn't leave all options open?

Could you perhaps try to see an absta-farside scumteam? Why do you think it's possible/impossible?

What do you think of PrI?

So lots of questions, and I'd like to see em all answered. Excessive walling is allowed.

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Lol shut it

What are your reasons for voting me and why aren't they as shitty as every reason farside has proposed yet?
Who are your other scumreads and what scumteams can you see?

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Crap I again forgot maf have daytalk

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UP TO PAGE 6 STREAM OF CONCIOUSNESS INCOMING
On phone so can't shorten quotes to only the relevant part.

Spoiler: be happy this is in a spoiler

Tier: what were you thinking would be the best use of the global rb?

This question is kinda weak. Like questioning me, but not in a good way. Not too problematic tho.

@Tier: You have the best role.

I know. I'll probably not be NK'd.

Umm, does the plan still work if not all powers are town? I guess yes, but if the cop is scum it's a pretty much worthless plan that doesn't make good use of the global roleblocker.

Tier: I'm talking about your post here. What were you thinking at the time would be a good use of the global RB?

This continuous pushing is worrying tho

VOTE: Farside
Not a bad vote; it seems she's been avoiding this game.

This is meh and random.

@Absta: I'm still curious about this question:
There was really no one invovled in the game during the mil/you/tier. So why did you specifically only put me as avoiding the game?

Not invlolved is different from avoiding. T-Shift brought my attention to you by voting with no stated reason. I looked into why he would vote you and came up with a reason. What I find interesting though is how you haven't question T-shift for his vote. Can you explain that please.

The word usage here feels a little too correct.

@Mit

@absta: My vote was RV, but I do think a hammerer is a liability for the town, especially given the doublevoter. The two of you are the first ones who need to be sorted out.

Wait, let me get this straight; are you saying that your vote one me is partly based on my role and has nothing to do with my actions? Also, what do you mean by sorted out?

And saying that scum-you wouldn't be scared in your situation just looks a little like bluster. And how can you possibly accuse farside of avoiding the thread? Her longest absence was 21 hours, part of which included the time when the site was down, if I'm not mistaken. Why aren't you accusing Micc and Brian Skies of the same behaviour?

Like I explained before, not posting isn't the same as avoiding (that's what I meant anyway). When I looked at farside's recent posts, I saw that she was posting elsewhere and not here for quite some time. I looked at her recent posts because T-shift brought my attention to her by voting her for no stated reason.
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@T-Shift

Wow, you came up with a reason, while I actually didn't have a reason. Why do you attribute thoughts to me that I don't have nor question the vote and just sheep it?

I assumed you had a reason because all players have reasons for their votes, regardless of alignment.

Are you trying to tell us that you picked someone at random from this game to vote, and that person was farside?

Sheeping is voting someone for no reason other than that someone else you want to imitate is voting them. That's clearly not what I did; I had my own reason. All you did was bring attention to farside.

I find the bolded question stupid and unnecessary.

Out of curiosity did you only look at me because Tier voted and you were trying to understand the motive behind it?
Why didn't you ask me why I wasn't posting more here?

These are useless and awful questions.

Yes sort of and because I thought asking you would've just resulted in an answer about how you don't have time or something along that line. An answer like that tells me nothing about your alignment.

And this is a shit and not-to-the-point answer.

Micc what is your opinion on far side/absta?

I haven't been involved enough to make any real reads yet. Working on getting that fixed tonight and tomorrow during the day.

I am still debating the merits of no-lynching in my head. I think it might make sense in day two following a day one mislynch, but I don't think it is a good option for day one unless we really can't come to a consensus.

Now that I know my alignment. I think the 1-shot RB should go off tonight. The reason is that (1) it stops the mafia from killing anyone and (2) the even night cop can't use his ability till night 2. The cop gets an investigation and the doc can protect the cop.

If you were scum, would you have avoided outing this method of coordination? I find it weird, and a little bit awkward that your actions might hinge on your alignment.

Sorry not at L-1. I thought it was 4 to lynch.

Where did you get the idea of four to lynch from? One vote off because of the double voter I could understand, but two off makes me wonder a little bit.

This post. I like it.

Things to check: how absta's farside read developed through day 1

I want everyone but farside and absta to tell me why they have a townread on them two.

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Dude really stop playing this low.

Answer my 722.

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Really if you're all so sure I'm scum it shouldn't be too hard pointng out a buddy right? This is LyLo, scumteams should be found now.

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My suspicion has to do with wagon analysis and his complete dismissal of Absta as a possible lynch.

Can you share your wagon analysis with us?

Yiley (6) TierShift, jklash12, farside22, PrivateI, absta101

Well, you are on this town lynch wagon....

Aj The Epic (5) Brian Skies, farside22, absta101, TierShift

and this town lynch wagon. Second one is more important that the first mostly because I thought your transition to the Aj wagon was the least believable out of the bunch. Admittedly the entire playerlist was on board with the Yiley lynch be the time it went through, myself included.

I held the hammer. I had to choose. I had already stated that I preferred a PrI lynch, but we had to lynch because otherwise we'd lose a mislynch. I fail to see how a forced hammer makes me scum.

How did I dismiss absta as a lynch? By having a townread on him? Why do you think I as scum wouldn't leave all options open?

Do I need to go dig up the pile of Day1 quotes of you supporting an Absta PL by Day2? Should I point out the 180 degree flip you made once Day2 came? Should I pull up all the quotes that make me roll my eyes at you trying to suggest he is your townread?

I don't think I should have to answer why you as scum would want to keep him alive. Keeping your options open completely fails in comparison to ending the game a day earlier because of the continued existence of a negative utility role.

You realize that if we had PL'd absta day 2 and he was town, today would just be MyLo instead of LyLo? I made wrong calculations day 1 and I came back on that.

If I were scum I wouldn't really care about keeping him alive since he'd just make MyLo LyLo which is not a good improvement.

The game doesn't end a fucking day early ffs. Stop thinking that.

[quote="In post 724, "TierShift"]I want everyone but farside and absta to tell me why they have a townread on them two.

I don't have a town read on Absta.
I don't have a town read on Farside any longer.[/quote]
What made you change your read on farside?

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I like they way you respond to things. I guess I could be more specific.

Reread will be finished tomorrow hopefully.

I don't know why you're putting me into a side with micc. Micc is still scumreading me I think.

Anyway, do you see a me-PrI scumteam?
Have you ever played with scumfarside before?

And about the yiley wagon, I kinda drove it so eh I don't knoe how I suddenly ended up on it?

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I offically believe Brain is scum this game.

vote: Brian Skies

He admits to not going with the masses but wants to please the town on something he already stated he would do. Yeah those things don't add up. Pleasing town is not making waves. You have a thought and know it's best you use it.

This is actually quite a misrep. Farside, I want you to go back there, explain that post to me and give me your current read on brian.

This game will prob get fucked because of this slacking play by town.

VOTE: Brian

Explain this brian vote, please.

@Mit

- We could use Yiley to confirm me as town so scum has an incentive to kill me.

Hey, that's actually a good plan!

I offically believe Brain is scum this game.

vote: Brian Skies

He admits to not going with the masses but wants to please the town on something he already stated he would do. Yeah those things don't add up. Pleasing town is not making waves. You have a thought and know it's best you use it.

Like, I'm really not understanding why you're on a completely different wavelength from me. You think I'm sitting here offering my ability up to the town to please people. I'm not. I offered up my ability to see if town would go with a plan I'm okay with and think would benefit us. If they said no, then so be it. At the very least, I could generate reactions and see how others would respond to it. Yours, for example, is extremely scummy for trying to spin this narrative of how a town-me would or wouldn't act with regards to my role.

This is good and exactly what I thought.

I believe the scum is in Micc/Private/Brian/Tier.

Can you explain why you thought so at the time?

@Yiley

- Investigate Micc please.

Wait what the actual fuck
This is so fucking scummy with him earlier saying he should be investigated but with no one biting in that he just tries to direct the investigation away from himself. There is absolutely no reason for him to change the investigation target if he were town.

His reads are fake. His arrogance rubs me the wrong way. His complaining about the lack of pro town play looks exactly like what I did in my first scum game. He is a hammerer, which means we should be policy lynching him sometime before MyLo anyways. He ignores the topics that I most want to hear from him about.

This is genuine as fuck and somehow AJ was saying the same thing regarding absta and AJ flipped town.

Currently I have brian and micc as town and I'm quite confident in that. Absta is scum with either private or farside. I think it's probably farside, but then again, I haven't taken a real look at private yet.

Eek, come in here and talk.

[TierShift]

I would still rather lynch Yiley at this point than do the cop investigation.

Not hiding his opinion.

Pri=lurker yiley=scum.


Can you please vote yiley, we're getting dangerously close to deadline.

Agreed.

unvote:
vote: Yiley

This vote has absolutely no buildup and makes me very uncomfortable.

I just want to keep agreeing with Tier. It took lots of effort not to change my vote.

pause.

unvote
vote: Private.

Meh, buddying? I don't understand how she could keep agreeing with me day 1 and how her read on me flipped. Explain, farside.

Yeah, that vote looked bad. Add private to the scum pile.
As of now I have it as Tier/Private/Yiley.

Where did micc go? Wasn't PrI already in your scumpool?

[TierShift]

This is the most important thing regarding Farside suspicions. Can't really consider Farside being scum unless Absta is scum first.

You seem to be sidelining.

Do you think absta is scum?

[TierShift]

Absta can you answer my questions?

@Farside:
I read you as scum, yes. It's nothing meta-wise, but I do see the same type of weak questions I saw in micro 306.

[TierShift]

Eek. Where are you? I see you posted in other games.

[TierShift]

Tier, Farside townread broke down with her coming out of the gates firing on day3. Doesn't feel right compared to the careful, cautious playstyle saw in day 1.

That's typically my style, especially if I think a player is scum. I'm more aggressing.
How does it not feel right when I scum read Tier for most of day 2?

Really? I'd say it's quite typical scum play to rush a lynch in LyLo. There's nothing I've seen from you today that nakes me think you are trying to figure out who could be scum, I've just seen that you 'know' it is me and then called it a day.

See either I'm scum with Absta or I'm not scum at all. If you were town I could have voted you with anyone else in the game at this point for the win.
Meek is here and still no hammer from me.

I know. But then again, I think you are scum with absta.

Also what post do you see weak questions from (since you never pointed it out this game)

I mentioned it in 724.

[TierShift]

@Tier, I want the chance to talk through this with you.

Lets start with your reads. I haven't seen any definitive stance on reads in day 3, but I am inferring that you think Absta and Far is a string possibility. Is that right? What are the other possibilities you are considering?

I hope you can take from my most recent posts that I think it's absta/farside. I've stated a few posts back that I still need to check up on PrI/Eek and thus are not forgetting the possibility they are scum with absta.

I'm not sure what the best argument is I can give for them being scum. One thing that stood out was the way absta changed the cop investigation target. But most of all, the way they are handling LyLo is horrific and so scummy.

Farside/absta: have I already heard who my buddy is?

[TierShift]

Basically this game is already over for scum. All that's left is convincing Brian to vote Tier

. After that we vote Private

and we win.

FTFY

[TierShift]

Do you think absta is scum?

With the exception of his hard push here with Farside in Lylo, no.

Do you think the scum-team decided to take the buddying approach from the onset?

Definitely possible. I've seen it all. Did you read my post about the last half of day 1? What did you think about it?

@Brian - What do you think of Tier?

I think the likeliest team right now is Tier/PI. The way Tier's read wavers on PI is pretty alignment indicative and it could be because they're buddies.

I fail to see how wavering on and drawing attention to a person is a buddy tell.

I can see a Micc/PI scumteam as well. Their interactions are pretty lackluster (mostly on PI's part). The common denominator of the two teams above is that both Micc and Tier have townread PI at points (or at least I think they have).

That is not a strong buddy tell either.

I still think Tier is more likely to be scum than Micc. The main concerns I have with Micc is the way he tried to push his PL on Absta through the first two days. There was some scumhunting on Day 2, and the posting I've seen since the PL is no longer an option reads more townish to me. He also championed the Yiley wagon and mainly left it because he was looking for a more strategic lynch. I can easily see a town player really thinking he was making the most optimal play for the town. His frustration regarding the town not listening to what he thinks is the most optimal play also reads townish to me.

I agree, let's not lynch Micc!

Tier, Farside townread broke down with her coming out of the gates firing on day3. Doesn't feel right compared to the careful, cautious playstyle saw in day 1.

That's typically my style, especially if I think a player is scum. I'm more aggressing.
How does it not feel right when I scum read Tier for most of day 2?

Really? I'd say it's quite typical scum play to rush a lynch in LyLo. There's nothing I've seen from you today that nakes me think you are trying to figure out who could be scum, I've just seen that you 'know' it is me and then called it a day.

Please link to games you have seen scum rush to end and be agressive and i will link to games they do the exact opposite.
Also go see my games I do it as both and lets talk about you in 206 believing Kaze was scum and not thinking as a town place right.
If there was a smiley with a middle finger I would probably use it here too. Or a pot this is kettle what is your point smiley would work too.

This is not an excuse for the 'this guy is scum'-approach right out of the gate without even considering all options.

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On phone so can't shorten quotes to only the relevant part.

Spoiler: be happy this is in a spoiler

Tier: what were you thinking would be the best use of the global rb?

This question is kinda weak. Like questioning me, but not in a good way. Not too problematic tho.

Why is this weak? You thought the RB should be used later and I wanted to know why and how?

I see a lot of questions aimed at me that will get you not even a tad closer to finding out my alignment. This is one of em.

@Tier, I want the chance to talk through this with you.

Lets start with your reads. I haven't seen any definitive stance on reads in day 3, but I am inferring that you think Absta and Far is a string possibility. Is that right? What are the other possibilities you are considering?

I hope you can take from my most recent posts that I think it's absta/farside. I've stated a few posts back that I still need to check up on PrI/Eek and thus are not forgetting the possibility they are scum with absta.

I'm not sure what the best argument is I can give for them being scum. One thing that stood out was the way absta changed the cop investigation target. But most of all, the way they are handling LyLo is horrific and so scummy.

It bothers me that you don't have any paranoia about me being scum after our last game. What do you see that is different between the two games?

Good question. I just found a lot of posts to be genuine and I could find my thoughts reflected in them. The fact that you have a good scumgame is a consideration, but I just think you are town here. I think I pointed out a few posts that I thought were very town, do you want me to show you why I think you're town more?

That leaves you and pi/now meek. So......tell me how any of that thought process is scummy?

You decided that all over night 2 before the night-kill was even revealed?
You decided it less than 24 hours into Day 3, and after the night-kill was revealed?

Either way the process happened too fast. Literally no attempt to look back at the game and figure it out. It looks like scum trying to rush her win along. Absta came out doing the exact same thing. The only difference is that he is making it more obvious.

EEK COME IN AND TALK DAMMIT

[TierShift]

I think reading my last ~15 posts should make that clear to you.

[TierShift]

And while your at it, check absta's (hint: they are the same non-alignment indicative ones)

[TierShift]

Eek. You can't pull that here.

At least link to games where you've read me like this and try to convince others etc.

[TierShift]

Why do you think this? Wouldn't town rather have someone else get investigated in hopes of finding scum? Do you think Micc was a bad target?

He had a plan. A plan that was helpful to town. Then he stepped away from it and I can't see why.

What buildup could she have had considering it was a late deadline vote? You even asked her to vote Yiley.

Yeah, but you'd expect her to have vague suspicions of yiley before. Why not PrivateI?

Then, there's the fact that [Micc is] manipulating me and I wrote up a paragraph about this and it was all incomprehensive so I deleted it. Just trust me here.

Tier, can you explain what you meant about me manipulating you?

I'll try, but don't expect it to make sense! Somehow, we were thinking waay too much alike, to the point where it got a little weird. I thought you just tried to repeat everything I said after me, but apparently you said all those things earlier (regarding yiley, a little on absta)

[TierShift]

Micc, why isn't absta/Eek up there in your suspicions?

[TierShift]

Yeah, so...absta and PrivateI probably aren't scum together. I just cannot see such a strong bus from the weaker part of the scumteam.

Reading an absta-farside ISo for the last time.

[TierShift]

VOTE: absta
Dun dun dun duuuuuun

[TierShift]

If I don't die from this, it should be confirmed to you guys that one of me or Tier is scum.

It should be!

[TierShift]

Damn

[TierShift]

Good game, brian.

I think I kinda threw this game with my spot-on reads.