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medeia itGoonit
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like my point isn't that the nightkill doesn't make sense for one player in a vacuum and such
like it's not that skitter wouldn't have killed brassherald
it's that skitter/t3 would have to have been taking a detour from winning the game for unknown reasonsyou do not know my language anymore
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i thought she was on confirm medeia tr step if following the plan
which she may be and i don't really know how to towncase myself and i don't really want to end up in situation where i'm just saying 'i'm town' over and over like in slaughter hour hell pt with ydrasse i know that that is super frustrating for everyone and will do my very very best to remain reasonableyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1622, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
somebody did make the nightkill soIn post 1618, medeia wrote:In post 1617, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: im obviously not the shooter i would never shoot brassherald or sheepbro in a million years
yesyes none of us would make the nightkill i get it
... i know
another somebody knows about it too
maybe they're both complicit in such an act
idk sorry i know i didn't and i probably wouldn't were i a scums either tho it feels mostly impossible to figure out what the game would even look like to make that call definitively
but like you said someone did and yeahyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1625, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: why would skitter!scum shoot you if you're letting her drive the boat?
because if she was partnered with t3 and shoots me then chicagotypewriter is nearly free elimination, no?
like i'm not saying scum!skitter would always blanket shoot me no matter what
also i'm not entirely sure she'd assume that'd be the case i can be a pretty antsy passenger which she knowsyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1626, medeia wrote: because if she was partnered with t3 and shoots me then chicagotypewriter is nearly free elimination, no?
like is there any realistic opposition to this? maybe the lack of opposition would be the only opposition? but that's generally ineffective outside of rare circumstancesyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1629, skitter30 wrote:
This just looks so beyond unalignedIn post 240, ChicagoTypewriter wrote: Okay, I'm doing a little better on catch-up. The most important thing here is I needed to make sure I actually want to keep my RVS vote on T3.
Overall:
-T3 seriously voted for Kcdaspot 31, unvotedsix minutes later34, and then seemed to indicate that the initial vote wasn't icky 226. I'm not a fan of this voting behavior.
-T3 supports Random Nurse over Medeia (and who in turn supports T3 back). I'm not sure I like this. Calling them a scumteam seems a bit too obvious as this point given how much they're supporting each other, but ... well, it's kind of weird from my perspective, given I have a scumlean on Random Nurse right now; given his main gripe against Medeia is the refusal to add a vote for pressure.
-T3 is currently at E-2 with my vote, I believe. I'm find with this.
Decision: Vote stays. I'm going to work on the rest of the catchup, be back in a bit. (By which I mean later today, if I can get to it.)
idk with this i still worry that like, he made this whole case and everything for keeping the rvs vote and then when he finished the readslist the next time he was posting he moved his vote to random nurse saying it wasn't doing anything and such citing t3 not reacting to it and it's kinda hm to me and there was expected pressure on random nurse from his perspective from pooky/me
but yeah it is a case for partner at e-2 nonethelessyou do not know my language anymore
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like i do get thatyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1630, skitter30 wrote: Maybe its ct/pooky
527 to 532
still feel like pooky would had to have been sending chicagotypewriter into a claim situation intentionally with a plan in place
which doesn't seem impossible i guess
but so hard for me to answer whyyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1634, medeia wrote:In post 1630, skitter30 wrote: Maybe its ct/pooky
527 to 532
still feel like pooky would had to have been sending chicagotypewriter into a claim situation intentionally with a plan in place
which doesn't seem impossible i guess
but so hard for me to answer why
could you look at this please is what i was trying to ask there, sorryyou do not know my language anymore
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but i guess chicagotypewriter was also ready with a defense tooyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1638, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: the skitter pivot off chicago at eod does not look natural
and then cold feet on meuh after when she and i were talking and i was deciding would have been for show?you do not know my language anymore
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In post 1643, medeia wrote:In post 1638, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: the skitter pivot off chicago at eod does not look natural
and then cold feet on meuh after when she and i were talking and i was deciding would have been for show?
hmhmhm,
did you (pooky) think i was going to end up voting meuh there? or do you think skitter would have assumed that,you do not know my language anymore
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In post 1646, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: well she offered meuh/ct as a binary choice to me
I think she was surprised I wanted to do CT because I p much ignored her original case on him so she ended up moving to vote him after I said I wanted to yeet him
then he came back and her foot was back on the meuh train
i guess i mostly meant later on one sec i'll find the postsyou do not know my language anymore
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eh nevermind maybe i guess this:
In post 685, skitter30 wrote: Ahhhhhhhh maybe meuh is town here
I have a really hard time limming day1 pr claims >.>
is the only one that actually came after she said she was leaning meuh
for some reason i thought these did too:
In post 641, skitter30 wrote: Ehhhhhhh i'm cool with voting out meuh
But i can see myself voting ct here again tooIn post 644, skitter30 wrote: I was in his scumgame and he feels kinda similar here tbh
I don't see why 333 is egregious, feels like an easy post
Pedit heya
but she posted a preference for meuh between themyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1648, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I dunno what she thought about you voting - I think she just assumed I'd defer to her because I didn't really care that muchIn post 1644, medeia wrote:In post 1643, medeia wrote:In post 1638, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: the skitter pivot off chicago at eod does not look natural
and then cold feet on meuh after when she and i were talking and i was deciding would have been for show?
hmhmhm,
did you (pooky) think i was going to end up voting meuh there? or do you think skitter would have assumed that,
when she townread meuh at the end there when i was voting if i vote chicagotypewriter over meuh then chicagotypewriter is likely hammered instead in the morning as random nurse would then not be able to hammer meuh and such
so like, i guess maybe it seems risky for her if partnered with chicagotypewriter but not as risky as i previously thought but still riskyyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1654, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like I don't see where skitter in the 600s actually is going to actually vote Chicago dude
i guess i didn't feel like she was going to vote chicagotypewriter either but if i did it wouldn't matter right?
i dunno maybe i'm struggling too much to divorce this from my perspective
like at the time she was saying maybe meuh's town i was already questioning the same thing like parts of my discussion with meuh there definitely felt pretty towny to me and that's on me for trusting the whispers and not the voices
but if i vote chicagotypewriter then he is likely eliminated insteadyou do not know my language anymore
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i'm going to get tea quick to try to look at this with clearer headyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1660, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
even if you voted for CT here doesn't that just tie it at 3-3?In post 634, Invisibility wrote:
like i dont see why she doesnt go back to the bus chicago plan if she doesnt have the votes for meuh?
t3 voted for chicagotypewriter sometime between then and my discussion with meuh
so my vote would have put chicagotypewriter to 4 with someone likely needing to hammer
at which point if partnered she could have gone back to bus plan yeahyou do not know my language anymore
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idk you've actually felt like solve-the-game pooky for the first time this game to me tonight and i've still got an hour before actuallyIn post 1661, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
its kind of late for tea no? just get some rest and we can talk tomorrowIn post 1659, medeia wrote: i'm going to get tea quick to try to look at this with clearer headneedingto go to bed so i can get through big post and such at the very leastyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1665, medeia wrote: you've actually felt like solve-the-game pooky for the first time this game to me tonight
which maybe out of necessity deep well i know but yeahyou do not know my language anymore
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these first two sections are the posts i wanted skitter to look at because they don't seem all that likely to come from scum!you if partnered with chicagotypewriter to me
In post 1652, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: and this reaction is kind of bizarre to me on a reread - like if she thinks he's scum why did she vote meuh and like the part about voteparking him for a week feels kind of extra? like trying to take more credit for a flip that hasnt happened that she doesnt know the result of.
so at this point it would have to be the same situation as with you/chicagotypewriter i was discussing before, like yeah it's possible planned claim and such, but at this point once you are both voting chicagotypewriter i think wheels would have to be in motion for that thus the claim and prepared defense and such
In post 1652, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: here her foot is already starting to come off the gas and steer back towards meuh b4 CT even claims.
i felt same way about meuh posting in that moment as did ceejayvinoya i believe but i think(?) i had already posted that so i guess it's possible skitter would have used that to her advantage
just like, yeah idk i felt that way pretty strongly about those meuh posts like she had just come and realigned all her reads to situationally beneficial ones for her or so it seemed
so it seems reasonable to me like idk how to go about telling the difference in this case like if you say 'if skitter is mafia, what was she doing in this case?' i can see it but it doesn't feel like natural conclusion really
In post 1652, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: and making excuses for chicago and why he seems scummyIn post 1652, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: i don't believe CT and she shoots me down and claims I should know better and starts doubting my alignment
and again with these i can maybe see it if working from conclusion like she is quick to accept the claim as enough for today when we are both openly doubting it in different ways that is true
and all three of us (me, skitter, chicagotypewriter) were in that newbie with malakittens so they could have in theory been working from that knowledge with the claim
and skitter would also have that knowledge to work from with regards to how to react to the claim as she was town in the newbie
but even then that just makes it possible for her to have done so as a scums and i could see how it might have been orchestrated if so
like it's not unlikely to me that chicagotypewriter could have orchestrated it without skitter and the reason skitter's reaction was similar and expected is because it was a similar situation and that's how she'd generally react to that situationyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1669, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
also this doesnt even make sense because meuh's the first vote on CT and never even posted between the wagon swinging to CT and this skitter post pumping the brakesIn post 549, skitter30 wrote: Yeah meuh's acquiescence makes me a little concerned tbh
i think(?) this was with regards to larger pattern of meuh posting that i was posting about at that time, like i had just made two posts about this and i think skitter was simply agreeing with them, at least if she's town
even if she's scum i think it'd still be apropos of my postingyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1663, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like i kind of think skitter doesnt want to yeet chicago and then have to shoot medeia at night because then she is at f3 with me/t3 and thats not an easy f3 for her to win? like if she needs to win she needs to yeet me at f5 and she can't do that without an excuse
hence her exercise with the pairing or whatever
okay but then why the angling towards chicagotypewriter right now from scum!her perspective?you do not know my language anymore
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In post 1674, medeia wrote:In post 1663, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like i kind of think skitter doesnt want to yeet chicago and then have to shoot medeia at night because then she is at f3 with me/t3 and thats not an easy f3 for her to win? like if she needs to win she needs to yeet me at f5 and she can't do that without an excuse
hence her exercise with the pairing or whatever
okay but then why the angling towards chicagotypewriter right now from scum!her perspective?
or do you just think she's not actually ?you do not know my language anymore
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In post 1663, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like i kind of think skitter doesnt want to yeet chicago and then have to shoot medeia at night because then she is at f3 with me/t3 and thats not an easy f3 for her to win? like if she needs to win she needs to yeet me at f5 and she can't do that without an excuse
hence her exercise with the pairing or whatever
like why wouldn't scum!her just move the exercise with the pairing around to reach a similar conclusion to the one i had already made to try to eliminate t3 instead?
and why right now after all of this would she arrive here:
In post 1628, skitter30 wrote: I think i want to vote ct here, actuallyyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1678, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: the pairing exercise was her buildup to vote for me?
yes but it could be her buildup to vote t3
like i had already laid out why i thought it wasn't you/chicagotypewriter, right
and especially after t3 made his reads post like if t3 is town and thinks skitter is mafia,
(and if t3 is town whichever of you is a scums would likely have been playing around this; could be why you might want to force you v skitter etc)
why wouldn't skitter have evaluated chicagotypewriter/pooky world to be the unlikely one, and use the same exact logic she used with regards to chicagotypewriter/t3 likelihood of being paired
to try to eliminate t3?you do not know my language anymore
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In post 1680, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: cuz she's been tunneling me all game? like it feels pretty weird to swerve at the end and aim at T3 instead?
but she could have just arranged it to aim at t3 in the first place, right, and then also have been 'convinced' by me or whatever,
like i guess it doesn't feel like she was stuck to meyou do not know my language anymore
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if anything i think it would have been more of a blinders situation like she just didn't see the options rather than they weren't there if she is a scumsyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1680, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: cuz she's been tunneling me all game? like it feels pretty weird to swerve at the end and aim at T3 instead?
but she can still say you/t3 or chicagotypewriter/t3 like she doesn't have to hard commit to one
and i don't think i had fully explained why i thought you/t3 and her/t3 were super unlikely at that point
so in theory scum!her could have also felt that i thought that was a somewhat likely scenarioyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1685, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: I dunno
i guess to me it just seems like it'd be such a glaring oversight
like this final 5 would have had to have been her plan if she's a scums and i had just posted about it being unlikely to be you/chicagotypewriter at the end of the day shortly before we slept
so all of that information would have been at her fingertips to present the same plan but have it be malleableyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1686, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: its p hard to guess exactly why a player doesnt take a specific route at a place in time
yeah and there's always like, why this plan instead of this better plan and it's often just that the better plan wasn't thought of for whatever reason or! the better plan isn't actually better and i'm missing something et cetera et ceterayou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1689, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like if she's mafia with CT
she might think that I want CT flipped
you want CT flipped(? I am not sure here )
and T3 wants CT flipped
then if CT gets flipped at F5 and flips scum
CT doesnt look aligned with T3
I don't look aligned with CT
then its her vs you and both me and T3 want her over you.
so she can't really ever accept that I dont look aligned with CT
i think she'd just realign her reads on one of you and hope to convince me or even to leave both of you and hope to convince you(?) probably
rather than try to 1v1 me
like if she is a scums here she mostly skipped the let's confirm townread on medeia anyway for a reason rightyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1690, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: I am not sure she would have that plan and it feels like she is following a pretty straight path towards trying to yeet me
but then the recent 'i think i want to vote ct' is just a feint..? i guessyou do not know my language anymore
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like sure she isn't hardcommitted to that but ehyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1694, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: I guess she has to hold the whole "im going to kill pooky" sword over me for a couple of days to make me sweat then change her mind and swerve and hope it buys her enough goodwill to make me vote for T3 at f3?
yeah idk i think that's probably more viable for scum!her than trying to 1v1 me post-chicagotypewriter flip while claiming we both fakeclaimed and so forthyou do not know my language anymore
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anyway bedtime for me,
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good nightyou do not know my language anymore
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pretty okay with sending chicagotypewriter here still really don't see pooky/t3 or skitter/t3you do not know my language anymore
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In post 1703, skitter30 wrote:
Uh i still need to do that stepIn post 1691, medeia wrote:In post 1689, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: like if she's mafia with CT
she might think that I want CT flipped
you want CT flipped(? I am not sure here )
and T3 wants CT flipped
then if CT gets flipped at F5 and flips scum
CT doesnt look aligned with T3
I don't look aligned with CT
then its her vs you and both me and T3 want her over you.
so she can't really ever accept that I dont look aligned with CT
i think she'd just realign her reads on one of you and hope to convince me or even to leave both of you and hope to convince you(?) probably
rather than try to 1v1 me
like if she is a scums here she mostly skipped the let's confirm townread on medeia anyway for a reason right
if you want to outsource any of the work for this to me you can
like if there's anything you'd like me to compile for you or anything you'd like me to talk about whateveryou do not know my language anymore
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like i'm town here and feel like i've been town throughout and if this is something that must be done we can do so
idk maybe that's a silly offer but yeahyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1711, skitter30 wrote: I feel p good abt town- you but also elo and need to do my homework
Will read ur iso tonight
sorry i wasn't trying to rush you just if you felt this were a task beyond merely rereading maybe i could help
it's not like i was really doing anything else right now other than reading anyway
last night pooky still feels pretty good to me like it's not just effort but energy and it was multidirectional and felt like he was thinking of things in the moment
still feel like was starting from conclusion thoyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1713, skitter30 wrote: No i think it's just a matter of reading ur iso at certain key points
If u want to share like your top 3 townie posts by all means tho
uhh, well i think i have the most trouble with certain types of interaction as a scums and i think the early game back and forth with random nurse when he was pushing me for not voting or end of day one discussion with meuh or day two discussion with random nurse re: 'mod-confirmed' would all be things i think would have been very unlikely to occur were i a scums or to at least occur very differently
but in terms of single objectively towny posts i guess
maybe meuh vote at end of the day 1? assuming theoretical scum!me wasn't partnered with chicagotypewriter i think scum!me in the same situation would have found a way to eliminate claimed pr chicagotypewriter?
In post 698, medeia wrote: heading to bed
i will be able to check the game on and off throughout the day leading up to deadline but this is where i'm at
VOTE: meuh
and probably my claim for various reasons
In post 733, medeia wrote:In post 728, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I think if anyone else had a mechanism of stopping the nightkill they should just hardclaim?
if no one does then chicago is 100% confirmed town which is nice
and if something gets outed then oh well the day before MELO is an ok day for massclaim anyways
i, kinda want to massclaim here anyway for related and un-related reasons i guess
like in theory chicagotypewriter could have not nightkilled to try to confirm self and such so not 100%
but also,
i am an odd-night checker and my action on random nurse last night was not successful which is the only maybe relevant result i am capable of (i think) and there's probably a reason my role is in the setup, so
or at the very least for random nurse to claim or if someone else has an explanation for the above and also if there's another reason for the missing nightkill? i guess
and i do not think my thoughts re: random nurse being unaware would have been likely to occur to scum!me maybe not just solely this post but that general line of thought and even if they somehow did seems counterproductive for scum!me to voice
In post 901, medeia wrote:In post 891, Random Nurse wrote: You say that, but it's too convenient knowing that I jailed Medeia Night 1.
If I were Scum I'd have no reason to counter-claim in response to your Bulletproof claim. It'd be so much easier to just pretend to be a VT.
i still cannot tell if this is an act or not - from my perspective it felt like random nurse might have been conveniently claiming jailkeeping me in order to explain away my result
and claiming vanilla town would obviously not accomplish this
but is 'completely unaware' a tactic that a scums who fakeclaimed themself would be likely to employ tho
like if you crafted a fakeclaim in order to make everything make sense would you then keep saying 'oh scum!me would have claimed vt' (even though it doesn't make any sense) and 'so what is a checker anyway' and 'what guilty what's pooky talking about'? ya know
idk it doesn't seem impossible to me but would that really be the first arrow out of the quiver? and has been consistent, so
would like others opinions on this i guess
idk looking through own iso like this a weird experience
hard to be an objective reader i guess like to me i think entire read of meuh leading up to interaction and such very emblematic of town!me but maybe(?) i would have seen it somehow as a scums
and then it just becomes 'well everything really whole approach would be different etc'
also hard to point to anything super super concrete when there isn't a flipped scumyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1714, T3 wrote:
I don’t really like it and I think skitter’s defense makes sense, but that’s not enough for me to change my opinion on skitter.In post 1557, medeia wrote:
thoughts on the way pooky is pushing skitter here?In post 1555, T3 wrote:I
i can't even tell if this is now referring to here as in at that time or here as in throughout the entirety of the day nowyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1720, skitter30 wrote:
So when reading posts like these the thought crossed my mind that maybe it's ct/medeia?In post 677, medeia wrote:In post 670, sheepsaysmeep wrote: can someone summarize claims stuff for me
here is chicagotypewriter claim:
In post 550, ChicagoTypewriter wrote: Claim: Town PR, unspecified X-power type.
quoted because formatting potentially relevant due to its uncommonness
like chicagotypewriter has only played in newbie games previously thus likely not to have encountered x-shot roles at least not in game so yeah
like i don't think(?) anyone else in this game would be likely to refer to x-shot as x-power so i think that probably comes from paraphrasing
Would explain why medeia isnt dead
Where the weird claims came from
And maybe i'm super pocketed?
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Probably not super likely but this is a thought
if it was me/chicagotypewriter why wouldn't i be encouraging you and pooky to crossvote here in some way?
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In post 1721, skitter30 wrote:
And like you tried to do the nk but failed so knew you could claim something where ur action failedIn post 733, medeia wrote:In post 728, sheepsaysmeep wrote: I think if anyone else had a mechanism of stopping the nightkill they should just hardclaim?
if no one does then chicago is 100% confirmed town which is nice
and if something gets outed then oh well the day before MELO is an ok day for massclaim anyways
i, kinda want to massclaim here anyway for related and un-related reasons i guess
like in theory chicagotypewriter could have not nightkilled to try to confirm self and such so not 100%
but also,
i am an odd-night checker and my action on random nurse last night was not successful which is the only maybe relevant result i am capable of (i think) and there's probably a reason my role is in the setup, so
or at the very least for random nurse to claim or if someone else has an explanation for the above and also if there's another reason for the missing nightkill? i guess
And that it would out the pr who did it ...
Hmmmmmmm
And i'm not dead b/c i'm horribly pocketed
And pooky's not dead b/c he's in a thing with me
Like i super townread medeia on play
But .... this kinda makes some ant of sense holistically
but how would i have known there was only one pr?
like even if you want to say i would have accepted all of the other risks involved for whatever reason, if we both claim and i encourage massclaim to out the prs and so forth, and then two other slots claim, then what? we just have to hard townread eachother and eliminate both real prs? it just locks us into a tiny little box for ??? gain
unless you're going to say i was informed of the exact setup or something, i don't really get ityou do not know my language anymore
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if i work backwards from scum!pooky in much the same way pooky was doing for you i can make things mostly make sense on a logical level, though moreso day two onwards day one still kinda hm, but today certainly timing of scumreading you still feels like possible evildoing lines up very well with potentially trying to win the game off t3's reads while also trying to make something i was questioning make sense and such, (though scum!pooky wouldn't have any great need to lean so heavily on the 'i don't want to misvote in elo' thing right? could just not and then do so himself if encouraging you failed), but working forwards much harder
and! even if assuming scum!pooky i think chicagotypewriter would be pooky's most likely partner, soyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1729, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: its actually the exact setup I lost to scum!shiki last time
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okay but i've played other jailkeeper setups (as have you i assume) like i don't think i would just assume it was this specific one even if i assumed jailkeeperyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1733, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: and the because would have to be like "mafia thought that it would be too much power for medeia-ct-jk guy to all fit into the game and hence they decided to not kill medeia and even let her get a check off"
which is ?
well if they have a roleblocker they opted not to use it which i think makes sense because it'd be as likely to guilty themselves unless both scums are ascetic or skitter is a scums
if skitter is an ascetic scums could have been banking on me simply not checking her due to misreading her, if you're a scums you're not ascetic anyway so could have simply been unafraid of the check, or even hoping it'd be interpreted as clearing
maybe it makes the least sense for chicagotypewriter/t3 if one of them ascetic because they would have had to assume i would possibly check them? but could have been planning on 1v1 if redchecked in theory (though based on their behaviour today this would be pretty ??? as what would have been plan to win but! like if they're scums what is plan for winning anyway outside of just hoping we get it wrong which one of the things i'm struggling with in general but sometimes scums simply don't have one) and also they could have just thought it was best path to victory even if not a great path to victory
like honestly it mostly feels like the pieces still don't fit quite right like i don't know why the scums have made the nightkills they've made they don't make so much sense to me and the setup doesn't so much either but it is what it isyou do not know my language anymore
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idk if there is great benefit in waiting for thisIn post 1759, skitter30 wrote: Well ct should be getting replaced
Medeia it was a paranoid thought that occures to me that i probably think isn't particularly likely
i guess to me it is very likely a mafia replacement so mostly net negative unless you think replacement is going to give partner away or something which eh more likely to wifom
i was mostly waiting for you to finish review and such
i know you said that it just, idk like i know it to be not possible
like i don't think you're any less town for having it or anything like really i don't think scum!you would have come away from this hard scumreading me or anything anyway
i'm just like, ! well that doesn't make sense ya know
but i have information you don't i get ityou do not know my language anymore
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i just really don't want the two of you to end up crossvoting at this point i guess so it's mostly downside from my point of view yeah
like even if we're going to wait i might vote, shrug, will think about this when i get off work
like worst case scenario to me would be more like someone replaces in is 'towny' or whatever and convinces town!skitter to vote town!pooky or something and we lose
when it's like, even if chicagtypewriter were towny on play to me it still seems like correct solutionyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1766, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: you think CT/T3 is the solve?
i think it's the most likely solve yeah
like still feels like it could be one-sided distancing to me and t3's vote of chicagotypewriter doesn't even really make sense like it comes after chicagotypewriter's claim has shifted the wagon to meuh without addressing that in anyway
and even if not chicagotypewriter most likely partner for both you and skitter as wellyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1767, skitter30 wrote:
I don't know what ur trying to say here, what's the downside and what do you want to doIn post 1765, medeia wrote: i just really don't want the two of you to end up crossvoting at this point i guess so it's mostly downside from my point of view yeah
like even if we're going to wait i might vote, shrug, will think about this when i get off work
like worst case scenario to me would be more like someone replaces in is 'towny' or whatever and convinces town!skitter to vote town!pooky or something and we lose
when it's like, even if chicagtypewriter were towny on play to me it still seems like correct solution
it's like, if you're a scums with chicagotypewriter (which is only scum!you world that makes any amount of sense to me), you're pretty unlikely to actually vote pooky as things are, right? because of stated reads of t3 and such
so you're only likely to carry through with voting pooky here if you're town, and if you're town and vote town!pooky (which seems somewhat likely to me as well), then we lose
so if i vote chicagotypewriter, it eliminates these possibilities right
and a replacement just seems like it's more likely to unsolve the game than to solve it to me right now
so i kinda want to voteyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1769, medeia wrote: it's like, if you're a scums with chicagotypewriter (which is only scum!you world that makes any amount of sense to me), you're pretty unlikely to actually vote pooky as things are, right? because of stated reads of t3 and such
like replacement could change the status quo with regards to this... but that's only negative to me unless it's apparent that you're partnered
In post 1769, medeia wrote: so you're only likely to carry through with voting pooky here if you're town, and if you're town and vote town!pooky (which seems somewhat likely to me as well), then we lose
and replacement being 'towny' or whatever upon replacing in could make this more likely to occur, but once again only negative
and it just seems like, no matter how i look at worlds, that chicagotypewriter is still very likely to be a scumsyou do not know my language anymore
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basically if you or pooky is a scums and i vote i feel like you currently have to bus chicagotypewriter or just tie yourself to sinking ship
but replacement potentially gives cover for changing that and i don't think it's super likely that replacement reveals their partner definitively
and if you're both town then best course of action is also to vote to prevent potential misvotes
and even if replacement comes in super towny because they were following along or whatever i don't really see how that would make them possibly town
the worlds still wouldn't make any sense
like pooky/t3 would have just killed me last night and tried to eliminate chicagotypewriter today i just don't see any way around that i guess
can build associatives or whatever like we both already did but i believe in that more than i believe in those by alotyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1771, medeia wrote: like pooky/t3 would have just killed me last night and tried to eliminate chicagotypewriter today i just don't see any way around that i guess
like it's different from all of us saying we wouldn't nightkill eachother for ~reasons - it'd be actively choosing a suboptimal path when a clear one was presented
like pooky/t3 kill me
only real defense for chicagotypewriter is 'i wouldn't have killed medeia, it outs me'
pooky then says, nonono, you had to because of the check, it outs you but if you partner gets redchecked then it's gg whereas this way only you are caught
tada game over
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1-shot?In post 1778, bloodhail wrote: roleclaim is town 1-shot bp btw have not checked to see if my slot claimed at all
also are you familiar with me? (i assume from referring to me as shiki?) anyway this is thing we've discussed at some length over multiple days it's like,In post 1780, bloodhail wrote: pure gamestate read: does a town with skitter/pooky/shiki get taken to final 5 by a chicagotypewriter/T3 scum team? is that a thing that ever happens? at least one of you is town and a very smart player, but use your head, because that's not a thing that ever happens. they get caught much sooner or the influential people get killed. like brassherald dies over with at least 6x the posts he has??? that's not a kill a lurksack team makes, idc that skitter was tunneling pooky or w/e
i have no idea how they would have been trying to win the game if so other than to bet on us being wrong voting amongst ourselves, but the other options don't make any sense to me either and that one does a little bit maybe because claims and such
like pooky and skitter didn't play today (and yesterday) the way they did as partners it would just be unreasonable
and pooky/t3 and skitter/t3 would have nightkilled me, like if you're town it's one of those but it's just soso hard to see
but i'm willing to look and if so show me i guess
pedit: hm, lying in the other direction would make sense to me, lying in that direction just... would keep him alive i guess? but why would that be his intention if not going to play the game
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random nurse was jailkeeper, is dead
i am odd-night checker, failed checking random nurse (who claimed jailkeeping me) night one, succeeded checking pooky night three
everyone else claimed vanilla townyou do not know my language anymore
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In post 1787, bloodhail wrote:
yeah this is a petapan alt sorry forgot not everyone in the game knows thatIn post 1784, medeia wrote: also are you familiar with me? (i assume from referring to me as shiki?)
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In post 1789, bloodhail wrote:
i think he was being incredibly egotistical and believed he was the reason scum had failed the nightkill, and so his bluff was that in order to keep him alive. you can say he's not playing but he's a noob, the traces of selfish ego play are really easy to spot, even in the post where he made his claimIn post 1784, medeia wrote: pedit: hm, lying in the other direction would make sense to me, lying in that direction just... would keep him alive i guess? but why would that be his intention if not going to play the game
i also think scum just doesn't claim BP in response to a failed kill, ever
and anyway i think everyone here can be rightfully paranoid of my play as scum but you are out of your skull if you think my first play on replacing in is to check the PT, see what my predecessor claimed, and then modify it from 2-shot to 1-shot just to be fancy and claim he lied as town. zero purpose to overcomplicating something like that.
which in theory he could have been but then this setup is so ???
mmm, it's like, my literal first thought upon chicagotypewriter claiming was 'oh he should have claimed 1-shot if he's town so he could get shot again' so you claiming 1-shot here is like,
like sure maybe it's overcomplicating something and there's zero purpose
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