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[medeia]

when i was voting

*when i was deliberating

i'm tired

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok bear with me here

this is the EOD progression;



^ this is her offering me a binary choice - she knows I want to yeet meuh from post 362 but I haven't said anything about chicago the person she has a vote on

I think she expected me to want meuh - hence why she votes meuh p fast

then to her surprise I actually get off my lazy ass and read some CT games cuz why not right;



and this reaction is kind of bizarre to me on a reread - like if she thinks he's scum why did she vote meuh and like the part about voteparking him for a week feels kind of extra? like trying to take more credit for a flip that hasnt happened that she doesnt know the result of.




so i'm second vote, skitter/RN follow and that swings the momentum to CT e-1



here her foot is already starting to come off the gas and steer back towards meuh b4 CT even claims.

which is ??? like I dont really see it being compatible with "i've been voteparking him for a week cuz i think he's scum and everyone ignored me"



2 minutes post claim she's like jumping back on the meuh wagon



and making excuses for chicago and why he seems scummy



i don't believe CT and she shoots me down and claims I should know better and starts doubting my alignment


and the cherry on top of all of this is that she's claiming I'm mafia with ChicagoT and that I'm mafia for "not catching scum" when she's the one who diverted the wagon in the first place

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the skitter pivot off chicago at eod does not look natural

and then cold feet on meuh after when she and i were talking and i was deciding would have been for show?

i mean she was still voting for meuh so how cold could those feet have been?

look how fast she jumped off the chicago votewagon. she voted him for a week when the stakes were 0 because no1 cared and then as soon as he got actual heat she couldnt be off that train fast enough.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like I don't see where skitter in the 600s actually is going to actually vote Chicago dude

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and if she's really reconsidering voting chicago at EOD1 as an alternative to meuh, then um why did she never push for Chicago to get killed any day after D1 esp now that meuh is flipped as town?

instead she moved on to me for

shading

chicago's claim

which is kind of ??? to me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if i vote skitter and its wrong this will be like my 2nd time ever voting wrong at elo >.>

skitter can you vote me first pls

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i know im kind of ridiculous

[medeia]

like I don't see where skitter in the 600s actually is going to actually vote Chicago dude

i guess i didn't feel like she was going to vote chicagotypewriter either but if i did it wouldn't matter right?

i dunno maybe i'm struggling too much to divorce this from my perspective

like at the time she was saying maybe meuh's town i was already questioning the same thing like parts of my discussion with meuh there definitely felt pretty towny to me and that's on me for trusting the whispers and not the voices

but if i vote chicagotypewriter then he is likely eliminated instead

[medeia]

i'm going to get tea quick to try to look at this with clearer head

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VC 1.17

T3 (1): ChicagoTypewriter
ChicagoTypewriter (2): Meuh, Random Nurse
Meuh (3): skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, ceejayvinoya

Not voting: T3, sheepsaysmeep, medeia

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-07-18 15:59:37).

even if you voted for CT here doesn't that just tie it at 3-3?

like i dont see why she doesnt go back to the bus chicago plan if she doesnt have the votes for meuh?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm going to get tea quick to try to look at this with clearer head

its kind of late for tea no? just get some rest and we can talk tomorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also I dont even know why we're treating chicago as flipped scum atp and trying to figure out who saved him

if we really think chicago is mafia why dont we just yeet the guy and see if we're right on step one lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i kind of think skitter doesnt want to yeet chicago and then have to shoot medeia at night because then she is at f3 with me/t3 and thats not an easy f3 for her to win? like if she needs to win she needs to yeet me at f5 and she can't do that without an excuse

hence her exercise with the pairing or whatever

[medeia]

VC 1.17

T3 (1): ChicagoTypewriter
ChicagoTypewriter (2): Meuh, Random Nurse
Meuh (3): skitter30, PookyTheMagicalBear, ceejayvinoya

Not voting: T3, sheepsaysmeep, medeia

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-07-18 15:59:37).

even if you voted for CT here doesn't that just tie it at 3-3?

like i dont see why she doesnt go back to the bus chicago plan if she doesnt have the votes for meuh?

t3 voted for chicagotypewriter sometime between then and my discussion with meuh

so my vote would have put chicagotypewriter to 4 with someone likely needing to hammer

at which point if partnered she could have gone back to bus plan yeah

[medeia]

i'm going to get tea quick to try to look at this with clearer head

its kind of late for tea no? just get some rest and we can talk tomorrow

idk you've actually felt like solve-the-game pooky for the first time this game to me tonight and i've still got an hour before actually

needing

to go to bed so i can get through big post and such at the very least

[medeia]

you've actually felt like solve-the-game pooky for the first time this game to me tonight

which maybe out of necessity deep well i know but yeah

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well i thought skitter was town and going to misvote me at f5 and the game would be over I didn't know she'd start wringing her hands and then I started worrying about why she was wringing her hands and then I was like oh I guess maybe she's mafia.

I am very unmotivated when I think the game is about to end

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also I just thought of why skitter doesnt shoot me at f6 instead of dealing with me at f5

cuz if she shoots me at f6 after posturing that she's going to vote me at f6/f5 and wants me flipped then the question is

if skitter!town wants to vote pooky!town - why would the mafia team shoot pooky!town at f6 when if they simply shoot someone else then skitter!town votes pooky!town and the game is over.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yeah meuh's acquiescence makes me a little concerned tbh

also this doesnt even make sense because meuh's the first vote on CT and never even posted between the wagon swinging to CT and this skitter post pumping the brakes

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VC 1.13 (UNCHANGED)

Random Nurse (1): PookyTheMagicalBear
ChicagoTypewriter (1): skitter30
T3 (4): Meuh, ChicagoTypewriter, ceejayvinoya, Random Nurse

Not voting: T3, medeia, Kcdaspot

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate someone. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-07-17 14:12:57).

ok correction she was the 2nd vote, skitter was votecamping by herself on CT

meuh joins her on this page, and then she asks me if i want to wagon CT or Meuh and promptly switches to meuh which is certainly a ?? progression to vote for the person who just voted for the person you've been votecamping for a week.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also just skimming her iso she never really pushed for chicago to get flipped? she always kind of presented him with different options and went with the flow - it definitely didnt feel like a this is scum people should vote him with me kind of votecamp

[medeia]

ok bear with me here

this is the EOD progression;

these first two sections are the posts i wanted skitter to look at because they don't seem all that likely to come from scum!you if partnered with chicagotypewriter to me

and this reaction is kind of bizarre to me on a reread - like if she thinks he's scum why did she vote meuh and like the part about voteparking him for a week feels kind of extra? like trying to take more credit for a flip that hasnt happened that she doesnt know the result of.

so at this point it would have to be the same situation as with you/chicagotypewriter i was discussing before, like yeah it's possible planned claim and such, but at this point once you are both voting chicagotypewriter i think wheels would have to be in motion for that thus the claim and prepared defense and such

here her foot is already starting to come off the gas and steer back towards meuh b4 CT even claims.

i felt same way about meuh posting in that moment as did ceejayvinoya i believe but i think(?) i had already posted that so i guess it's possible skitter would have used that to her advantage

just like, yeah idk i felt that way pretty strongly about those meuh posts like she had just come and realigned all her reads to situationally beneficial ones for her or so it seemed

so it seems reasonable to me like idk how to go about telling the difference in this case like if you say 'if skitter is mafia, what was she doing in this case?' i can see it but it doesn't feel like natural conclusion really

and making excuses for chicago and why he seems scummy

i don't believe CT and she shoots me down and claims I should know better and starts doubting my alignment

and again with these i can maybe see it if working from conclusion like she is quick to accept the claim as enough for today when we are both openly doubting it in different ways that is true

and all three of us (me, skitter, chicagotypewriter) were in that newbie with malakittens so they could have in theory been working from that knowledge with the claim

and skitter would also have that knowledge to work from with regards to how to react to the claim as she was town in the newbie

but even then that just makes it possible for her to have done so as a scums and i could see how it might have been orchestrated if so

like it's not unlikely to me that chicagotypewriter could have orchestrated it without skitter and the reason skitter's reaction was similar and expected is because it was a similar situation and that's how she'd generally react to that situation

[medeia]

Yeah meuh's acquiescence makes me a little concerned tbh

also this doesnt even make sense because meuh's the first vote on CT and never even posted between the wagon swinging to CT and this skitter post pumping the brakes

i think(?) this was with regards to larger pattern of meuh posting that i was posting about at that time, like i had just made two posts about this and i think skitter was simply agreeing with them, at least if she's town

even if she's scum i think it'd still be apropos of my posting

[medeia]

like i kind of think skitter doesnt want to yeet chicago and then have to shoot medeia at night because then she is at f3 with me/t3 and thats not an easy f3 for her to win? like if she needs to win she needs to yeet me at f5 and she can't do that without an excuse

hence her exercise with the pairing or whatever

okay but then why the angling towards chicagotypewriter right now from scum!her perspective?

[medeia]

like i kind of think skitter doesnt want to yeet chicago and then have to shoot medeia at night because then she is at f3 with me/t3 and thats not an easy f3 for her to win? like if she needs to win she needs to yeet me at f5 and she can't do that without an excuse

hence her exercise with the pairing or whatever

okay but then why the angling towards chicagotypewriter right now from scum!her perspective?

or do you just think she's not actually ?