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i wasn't sure if i'm allowed to say numbers on the hood pt as per the ruleset, but we're all in the hood so i guess whatever lmaoI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i still kinda want an answer to "why didn't you better out your reasons for townreading meg yesterday like you did now", but i have a feeling i know what the answer is gonna beI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i'd have to refamiliarize myself with open 857 bc that day 1 has been a while ago and also fuck that game
first obvious difference that comes to mind tho is that my bus on penguin happened only after it was sorta clear that townread people are pushing there (and i had the correct read that the cw was a mason, so penguin was more likely to go through), while here i was on much earlier than necessary i think
and there i made the bussing very flashy and attention grabby, because i knew i was gonna need towncred and to open avenues to push after his flip
i didn't do any of that here, this game is not how i busI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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it was sufficient to show you think meg is town, i'm just like. thinking a towncase of meg maybe would've been more useful than a scumcase of coralIn post 1442, scamper wrote:it should be sufficient to show that with 1 scum left i did not believe it was meg.
maybe it wouldn't have been, idkI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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setups are never reviewed by the "whole" nrgIn post 1430, Datisi wrote:do you think there's a difference between meg's play in this game and meg's play in that game still then?
pedit: i'm working afternoons the next three days, which is going to be annoying since you both seem to be more active in my afternoons, but i'll probably shift my sleep schedule somewhat to accommodate for it (yes mafia is very important)
and if setup is normal, then it was reviewed up to normal standards, no matter which queue it's run inI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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idk why that quoted but phoneposting at work while making drinks, weeI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i don't see how the bolded follows from the first part or why you dislike it?In post 1487, scamper wrote:in other news i reread datisi's self-towncase in the hood and i kind of dislike it now but that may be because you asked him specifically how he'd have approached day 1 as scum ohe had to answer in hypothetical terms, which isnt really helpful
(i will get to other stuff soon as i just got home)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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did you find any posts that were town!indicative for me, tho
@scsmperI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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why do you think that argument from me isn't good, but you keep making such arguments yourself?In post 1492, scamper wrote:the point is it is mostly you just say you wouldn't do this or that as scum and i don't think such arguments are really any good
(this isn't meant to be a shitty gotcha, i'm genuinely curious)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i mean
how likely do you think it is i'm town here? if less than 100%, then what is making you doubt it?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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the mod is shading all of usIn post 1500, Irrelephant11 wrote:this orange slice is on its way to become orange juice,and doesn’t waste time playing mafia on the internet.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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interesting, that's not what i was expecting you to say
is the reason behind that "switch" (ik it's not exactly a switch but you kno what i mean) in reads explained in the last few pages that i haven't read yet? if not, can you explain how you got there? (if yes, then wait for me to finish dinner)
pedit: no, that's fair
i'm just surprised those narrative points are of same weight to you, if that makes sense?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i mean, when i first entered the day, i was thinking how i almost always end up voting you, but i have since changed my mind and realized this is harder than i first thought, so i feel like my nitpicking had a purpose thereIn post 1508, scamper wrote:- it felt like you were nitpicking me to start today and i think that's +scum for you
like, do you think my questions were pointless?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i feel like the same argument can be made a different way - it is easier to stay consistent with your scumreads than to have to fake re-evaluationIn post 1462, scamper wrote:i think it's easier to find arguments for why people are town when you are coming from a place of perfect knowledge and know that your reasons are accurate and you can aways position yourself as being correct. i think i did this a lot in my scumgame
it also really doesnt matter cuz of course you have to go back on it the next day but no one will really care at all, ive never seen anyone get voted for pushing someone they were formerly townreadign at aelo. its easy to frame as re-evaluation
and i don't think i see how you can argue that the fact you went back to look for reasons to townread me, then realized there are some reasons to scumread me is a *towntell* for you here, considering it was possible i was one of the people you were gonna have to push in yeetlo (idr if this was before or after ausuka was revealed conftown, but it doesn't really matter i think as you were basically locktown on them anyway)
i think i might just ignore the self-meta entirely because all of it is completely unverifiable and also it makes my head hurtI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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the reason why i went through your iso looking for those posts was to see if i had missed you explaining a read somewhere because i was about to feel really stupid if i hadIn post 1517, scamper wrote:pointless no but as scum you are going to want to feel like you are justifying pushing me. if you are town of course you are trying to get a read on me etc etc.
but i thought you going back specifically to say "here are all the posts scamper made about meg, scamper didn't explain his read on meg enough!!" was a nitpicky type of analysis that i can see coming from scum!you
and i included the quotes to prevent the possibility of scum-scamper telling me they'd explained it already and to just go read myselfI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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there are quite a few comments that i want to make about my own play and my idea of scumplay, at the comments about my towncases, but that's self meta that i don't think is going to be helpful
how is the bolded something you came to the conclusion of? specifically in the context of my play.In post 1484, scamper wrote:idk, i have a bad habit of getting tunneled
but my actual mindset at the start of the day was: i was right, i'm annoyed cuz no one listened to me, i expect both of you to turn against me cuzwhoever was scum was very much setting up for that pivot yesterday, i just want someone to vote me b/c i hate being the one to decide in this situation
but i will say regardless of whatever my words might seem like they're implying i'm rereading and re-evaluating with an open mindI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i reread parts of day 3 because i wanted to eval the "i'd have fought harder to keep meg alive" point from scamper, and eh. shortly after the claims happened, and after meg proclaimed that they're lowkey clearing scamper based on the setup, both me and ausuka talked about how we don't wanna kill coral (page 53), and coral obviously isn't going to vote herself.
like, even if scum!scamper did succeed in getting coral voted out on d3, it would've resulted in them having just pushed through a misyeet, and having to vote me if they were gonna stick with their reads, which is a 50/50 then and sure, meg is clearing them then, but there's no guarantee that clear stays because townies do be wildin in yeetlo
so i can definitely see scum!scamper thinking how great it would be to be able to score a coral misyeet but it's just not that viable and it's more risky than it seems, so they're not gonna go all-in pushing coral, but they can argue that they definitely would've done that as scum
i don't think this is a lock or anything since i think town!scamper can think that is what they would've done as scum thereI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ftr, i'm still interested in your thoughts there, and i will probably be going to sleep soonIn post 1529, Coral wrote:I thought you were scum due to my day 1 reread and am no longer as convinced on that point, but I will still go into the things that I saw... maybe later once Datisi is asleep and there's less real time interaction happening.
i was hoping to get a better grasp of this game tonight, but it's past 1am already and i feel like i'm stuck in placeI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i did not want to make it obvious that my read on meg is informed with a result, because if they are scum and realized that, they would probably be trying to guess what kind of guilty i have and claim a role that explains itIn post 1535, scamper wrote:Spoiler:
dats, for having a non-vt result on meg, it feels like you never really pressured them strongly or asked them to claim or tried to persuade other people on the read, and i have to ask why you didnt push that harder? i realize a non-vt from a nea is not a true guilty but on a reread i couldnt help but feel your approach was oddly lackadaisical
like, if i out of the blue asked them to claim, that probably doesn't end well, whether they're town or scum
i was still trying to sort them with my result because i really did not want to shitpush a power role into claiming and i was trying to guess how hard i wanna go after them
also, those two quotes happened after meg softed/claimed non-vt so idk why you're including themI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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those last two quotes*
i am looking forward to reading the coral walls, but that will have to wait until i get some coffeeI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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well have you considered putting it all into the same post smhIn post 1544, Coral wrote:datisi how dare you interrupt, i wasn't finishedI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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loved the coral walls, though that may be because they're calling me town
in more seriousness, the part that stood out to me is 1541. the rest of the case i could more easily see coming from scum, since it's made in a retelling-day-1 sort of way. but 1541 is a read that... well i don't think it's very convincing because it's making assumptions that don't have to be correct and might not even be likely to be correct, but thecreativityof that read is something i rarely see from scum. not just because it's rarely convincing to town, but because they simply don't think of stuff like that. obviously ymmv based on meta, but it's +town.
reading the rest of the case reminded me of something else, though...I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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scamper, did anything ever come from 1441?
and, based on you saying how "nitpicking is +scum from me" and apparently having secret tells on me, i take it you're decently familiar with my scumgame. how is your read on my overall play this game influenced by meta? and ik you said my interactions w galron weren't as strong as you remembered them, but 1271 is the only negative i see there and you said yourself those quotes were out of context, have you gone back to check them?
i guess you're likely to comment on this anyway since coral did just talk a lot about my day 1, but this part is something i want a response on ig
ok, breakfast, then i'm doing the thing i've been procrastinating on and actually rereading d1I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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what were your thoughts behind this post, coral? (ik it might seem like a dumb q but bear with me)In post 909, Coral wrote:Hi!
very okay with a hammer on galron, still catching up and will see if there's anything I think needs to be responded to before thenI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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there is something really funny about the fact that both scamper and coral were townreading phoenix, and then started arguing about eachother's reasons for townreading phoenix
scamper is a competent scum player so i could definitely see them trying to get attention off of phoenix, but doing so by attacking phoenix's defender which instinctually looks non-partnered
and oof, i called out both scamper and phoenix for pushing what i thought were ez misyeets, if scamper really is scum, i'm a genius
259 (and galron's response in 285) feel like they should be +town for scamper, because i feel like scamper would've coached galron much better on how to respond to that and how to make that interaction seem less-partnery, while i can more easily see coral telling galron something along the lines of "tell scamper you see things differently and ask why does that make you mafia"
i'm also assuming that scamper would've told galron to keep responding to his response to that, but galron lowkey lurked out soon after so this isn't as good
i still think the way scamper approached the ari/aus argument is +town, but less than i thought so before because scamper obviously knows a few things about me - and it's likely he'd have known that (1) i was gonna recognize ari/aus being a t/t shitfest, and (2) that i have the capacity of shutting that down if i want to
chugging two cups of coffee while playing yeetlo was a bad idea bc i'm getting heart flutters now but anyway where were we
lmaoIn post 487, Ausuka wrote:and being a miller exponentially increases the chance of a town Rolecop existing btw since it gives it utility.
scamper also probably shouldn't be getting as many town points as i thought for trying to ~sort~ me via voting me bc i see that vote was like, argued against my ausuka right away, so if he's scum ten he was probably never planning on actually yeeting me anyway? or like, i think still my yeet would be more of an uphill battle than needed
but also he didn't vote-to-sort many other people, or like anyone i think?, so that probably wasn't a looking-for-alternatives vote, so still somewhat +town
why did you say "but not both" here?In post 597, Coral wrote:My guess would be that it's one of Galron or Xayahbut not both, alongside... Don or Datisi? I haven't thought about that too much but it feels reasonable
god it really fucking sucks that coral wasn't around when i was drunk and there was a lot of pressure around don, because i think it would've been really informative to see how she played around that
@scamper, how strongly were you scumreading don around page 28? because your vote is still on me (and it's not doing much there), and it seems don's somewhat decently being scumread by the thread, any reason you didn't vote him at the time?
ok this is where galron claimed and he was basically gone after that so wtv, i need to go to work anyway
current thought is that i might actually be leaning coral here??? like, some of scamper's posts are obviously like, bad in retrospect, but there seemed to be multiple points where he could've argued against a galron elim harder than he did. like if scum, it seems like he was planning on throwing shade on multiple people and hoping someone latches onto it so that galron doesn't flip, *but* he didn't do that in one of the bigger shitfights of arivaus, and there were better arguments he could've done against possible misyeets
like, if he's scum then he kinda-but-not-really let galron die, and that feels weird? at least it feels weird from a more experienced player, i probably would've been scumreading that from a newer player
and i'm wondering if d1 would've played out differently if a scumbuddy was more present, which scamper was, but coral wasn't really, at least not in the latter parts of the day
ok i really gotta go, i'll think about this more at work and also hope that the responses of you two shed some light on this for me
it has started to actually sink in for me how short the deadline is
fuck this gameI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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do you think *in this scenario*, with galron being in the position that he was, it would've been beneficial?In post 1561, scamper wrote:i mean, the thing is as scum sometimse its beneficial to not want to get your hands dirty, so i'm not really sure this all is as clearing as you are treating it, at allI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i mean that's fair, i'm just saying
you say that it could be beneficial for scum to hang back sometimes
what do you think is the possible benefit for scumtisi to be doing that then?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i had legit never done the "this is the vc, i want EVERYONE to give thoughts and stances" and whatever bs i did there, which is what i am thinking of, so i wouldn't say i'm exaggeratingIn post 1565, scamper wrote:and i kind of think you exaggerate the extent to how "attention-grabby" your push on penguin was that game but i also think you have no reason to lie about that this game and its likely you just remembered it different. its true you were on phoe early bu i dont think its *impossible* for you tp pressure a teammate early in a game either
i think you may be talking about two different things here bc pressuring a teammate is one thing, but actually getting on him (with intent to yeet, which i'm assuming is implied here) is another thing
like i am definitely capable of pressuring buddies early as scumI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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on one hand, i'm good with it because i know we gotta get a move onIn post 1570, Coral wrote:Good morning, friends
Before responding to all these things I'll say that I think scamper's idea about voting is rather nifty and I think it probably benefits town, so I'm good with it if Datisi is?
on the other, i wanna keep lying to myself that we still have time
but yeah we can fake vote i agreeI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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the reason why that struck me as town is because like, i know the read is not very convincing and unrealistic, but that's also why i just don't think scum thinks of it, and even if they do think of it, they don't write it out bc it's easy to get shut down and it's not convincing for basically anyoneIn post 1563, scamper wrote:and like, coral has played scum before. she knows this is not how scum teams operate or how they communicate. this doesnt really make sense.
maybe scum!coral thought it was a clever point idk, but it struck me as not as likely to come from scumI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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mmmIn post 1575, Coral wrote:
I saw Don post 834 and 853, and I hadn't checked in since Galron's claim (which happened while I was asleep). Claiming and then abandoning thread seemed like obvious scum to me so I was happy with a hammer there. I was busy all of the previous day so I hadn't really commented on a lot of what had happened, and thought I might still want to do so, but ended up deciding that there wasn't much that was relevant anymore.In post 1552, Datisi wrote:
what were your thoughts behind this post, coral? (ik it might seem like a dumb q but bear with me)In post 909, Coral wrote:Hi!
very okay with a hammer on galron, still catching up and will see if there's anything I think needs to be responded to before then
did you have any thoughts on the actual claim?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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as i was rereading d1, i realized just how anti-synergetic galron's roleclaim is with yours (i think i'd be expected of a rolecop to invest a claimed miller on n1)In post 1585, Coral wrote:I probably would have if I had seen it happen live, but by the time I got there he had already been missing for several hours after claiming and that was much stronger of a reason for me. On seeing it as I was reading up, though, I did immediately think that it didn't seem like a role that really fit with my role, but I'm not very confident in my setup speculation abilities, so it wasn't a reason I was going to hang anything on.
i got excited bc i thought town!you would've also been thinking that way immediately
but i am less convinced on the validity of that read now since i did come up with it when i knew there was no rolecopI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i don't have issues with the reasons you had to scumread donIn post 1577, scamper wrote:didnt know what to do with my vote
i'm asking bc i think there is a clear scum benefit to not immediately voting him but consistently pressuring him (mainly, figuring out the availability of the don misyeet)
bc your vote was on me to ~sort me~, so i'm curious why you weren't using your vote on don the same wayI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i mean, this isn't something that i can exactly verifyIn post 1578, Coral wrote:
I don't understand why these points apply to making scamper town and not me? Just because I was busy that weekend, so I wouldn't have had time to post if I was scum? I was posting for around 3 hours on Saturday (and could have made time later in the day if I felt like it was important), but my focus was mostly on just kind of engaging with what was going on, I ended up finding some reasons to townread a few people, and didn't make any pushes on anything. If I were scum there I would have taken a more active role in pushing things towards a town elimination. I'm capable of doing that and it is generally my priority.In post 1553, Datisi wrote:like, some of scamper's posts are obviously like, bad in retrospect, but there seemed to be multiple points where he could've argued against a galron elim harder than he did. like if scum, it seems like he was planning on throwing shade on multiple people and hoping someone latches onto it so that galron doesn't flip, *but* he didn't do that in one of the bigger shitfights of arivaus, and there were better arguments he could've done against possible misyeets
like, if he's scum then he kinda-but-not-really let galron die, and that feels weird? at least it feels weird from a more experienced player, i probably would've been scumreading that from a newer player
and i'm wondering if d1 would've played out differently if a scumbuddy was more present, which scamper was, but coral wasn't really, at least not in the latter parts of the day
maybe scum!you was too busy to post, or too low motivation, and now you're claiming otherwise. maybe you thought laying low would be better, to hope town fucks up by themselves, rather than that you go trying to save galron, i don't know.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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jesus, this entire conversation about scumbuddy-told-galron-they're-getting-don-yeeted situation is making me wanna drink again
are either of you online? i obviously wanna hear what scamper has to say about his gut screaming at him, but also if we wanna do the fake-voting thing, i wanna do mine tonight since i will be going to sleep in an hour or so
coral, how well do you know my play / are familiar with my meta?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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you said earlier you would've been more present if you were scum, right? how does that coexist with you here claiming you had important things to do?In post 1576, Coral wrote:I had a reason why I decided they were unlikely paired at that point, I'll try to look for what it was. I do remember that later that day, once Galron was looking like clearly scum, I reassessed the reason and decided it wasn't good. Maybe it was just that it felt like at that point both had disappeared and the game is never that easy? Xayah hadn't posted substantially for over 40 hours at the time I posted that. I think I also just tend to believe that it's very unlikely both of my top scumreads on day 1 are correct.
And I agree, it's unfortunate I wasn't around,but I had important things going on all day.I will just say that I think that it's pretty clear that I didn't make any real effort to push anyone in the days prior, or do anything to move things towards a town elimination. The fact that you did the same is part of the reason I feel you're more likely to be town. If you think I'm scum here, I'm just wondering what you think my approach or my plan was?
i mean, if you're scum, i don't think you ever *want* to actually play d1 the way you played it. but if you were busy and you didn't have time to invest in turning the game around, i do think it's possible you decided to quietly and passively bus galron, because (1) you're not exactly adding fuel to the flame, so he could potentially get out of it, (2) you get to argue you wouldn't have played it that way
like it's obviously not optimal, but i also don't think it's that difficult to see?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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like specifically the "we both didn't push town on d1" is overlooking the difference that i was there and i had possible options that i could've pushed, and i was *there*
going mia for a bit in the game, then claiming "i didn't push on town" is weird because, technically yes, you didn't push on town, but you didn't do much to push on scum either
now i'm wondering if that line was a subtle pocket attempt
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mm, okayIn post 1645, Coral wrote:
I would say pretty well.In post 1641, Datisi wrote:coral, how well do you know my play / are familiar with my meta?
based on the reads you have of me here, that is the feeling i got. i also got the feeling it could've been tmi, if you'd said you didn't know me *that* well.
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ok i checked, i think this was around the time where... it really did not seem very likely galron was going to be dying? or rather, it was far from it being decided he's the yeet. so i don't think the argument that you would've spent that time pushing more town is very convincing, because at the time it's not like scum!you could've known that galron was gonna keep being a lurksack and end up getting votes and that he's gonna need savingIn post 1646, Coral wrote:Sunday (North American time) I was busy all day and didn't post or even really check the thread at all. Saturday I had time to post, including the 3 hour window when I did post. I was referring to being more present on Friday or Saturday.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i don't think i get the difference btwn deciding it in the pt, or deciding it hereIn post 1648, scamper wrote:we can probably decide this in the pt if you wanna do it, that person won' have to place the vote tonightI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i mean, i am like, *aware* that having a vote on someone is generally a better way to nudge their yeet on than just by talkingIn post 1653, scamper wrote:see - im not actually sure not voting him has the benefit you are describing - i think if you actually vote someone and start a wagon other people have to react to it and state a willingness to join or not
but the fact that your votes don't match your words, and your treatment of me doesn't match the treatment of don, and that is ~weird~, and i'm trying to figure out if it's scum-weird or just weird. because i can see a potential way scum could try to use a situation like this - like, this is more likely to be overlooked as a push later because you didn't use your vote, you get to argue it wasn't that strong, etc - while still trying to see how viable don isI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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1) i was poking fun at ausuka. the day before this game started, the two of us were playing keep talking and nobody explodes, where one person is defusing a bomb, and the other person is walking them through it. i was the bomb defuser, and i died multiple times. thanks, ausuka.In post 1662, Coral wrote:A couple questions, one small and one less small:
1) Did you mean anything by your intro post? It sounds a little sarcastic, but I'm not sure why.
2) At what point did your read on me start to change? I feel like a lot of that progression isn't visible, can you track through when it happened and why?
2) i had a lot of problems with scamper's play that i thought were scum-indicative, but as the day progressed i found their answers about my concerns to just be... good? other than that, i still find a lot of his play to be town indicative that i laid out in earlier days.
it's not so much that my read on you changed, it's that my read on scamper shifted, and yours didn't shift in the way that would allow you to keep being +town over scamper.
i can go into this in a little bit more detail in a few, because i don't know off the top of my head what specifically made me shift, but yeah.
i'll be revisiting stuff anyway, and i probably won't be voting until both of you are around either way, because i think anxiety about leaving my vote out without confirmation whether it's correct would eat me aliveI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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yeah, when i entered the day, by far my biggest issues with scamper's play were:
- didn't have a good case on why meg is town, but kept strongtownreading them anyway
- seemed to ignore me when i kept asking them about why meg is town
because i thought that *that* showed a degree of tmi-ness on meg's alignment, and if scamper is scum then it's in his interest to be defending te d3 yeet if he's gonna be facing off two people that pushed them through
but i think his answers about his read on meg make sense, and otherwise his play just feels town to me. not because of any big events, but because of smaller stuff that feel like inconsistencies that scum don't make or don't think about faking it
i wish i could summarize my reasons for thinking it's you, but i don't exactly *have* them - it's just that i have better reasons to think scamper is town than i do thinking you are
because if i had good reasons to think one of you is scum, i'd have voted a long time agoI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i'd quote the post but i don't remember when it was made or in which thread
@scamper, you said something along the lines of not wanting to do real time interactions as scum; is my "scum!scamper would've tried to abuse the ari/aus shitfight instead of calming it down" idea correct?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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has this been outed yet?In post 987, scamper wrote:i do have a reason im town but im not sure how convincing it will be, hopefully it doesnt matterI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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god i wish i wasn't mentally tuning out scamper in that mini for basically the whole time after the d1 flipI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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scamper, if you were scum this game, how do you think you play d2?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i think the best explicit reason why you're more likely scum, or like a moment that explicitly shows scum motivation, is when you decided you wanted me to vote firstIn post 1664, Datisi wrote:i wish i could summarize my reasons for thinking it's you, but i don't exactly *have* them - it's just that i have better reasons to think scamper is town than i do thinking you are
i was not in the mood to argue that last night because i was barely keeping my eyes open, but
in my mind, it would make sense that a townie would want whoever they're scum to vote first. because if scum votes first, you know the game is not going to end yet. and like, if you're town who thinks i'm town and who sees i'm leaning you, then it seems very counterintuitive to me for you to want *me* to vote first. because if i'm town and i vote town!you, that's that, gg. whereas even if scamper!scum votes you first, you still have a chance of convincing me
and even if you do want me to vote first anyway, then i'd expect town!you to actually be presenting more reasons why i should reconsider voting you and instead vote scamper and etc etc. where your 393 in the hood is just *weird* from town-you because it's showing a resigning "well idk how to actually convince you if you're town" attitude which (1) is odd compared to your attitude earlier, (2) is odd becauseyouwere the fake-hammer vote on me
and also shortly after deciding you want me to hammer first, you start going into potential mechanical problems with my play, which is just... very peculiar timing
like, i absolutely hate that the perhaps best reasons i can point out as scum motivation of someone all happened within like 24 hours before the game's end, because i feel like i should have better reasons and longer-lasting reasons, but
idk i'm tired i didn't sleep much last nightI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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hi sorry, are you both going to be on 3 hours before deadline onwards? bc bc work is busier than i thought and i do not have the ability to read and digest wallposts right nowI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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ok i am here!! reading nowI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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sure, but it also guarantees the game goes down to a 1v1.In post 1676, Coral wrote:Scum getting to choose who they 1v1 with is incredibly valuable.
how confident are you currently on him being scum vs on me being scum?In post 1676, Coral wrote:scamper, as either alignment, is good at arguing and at getting me to doubt myself. I've been wavering a bit, sometimes more than others, and the question asked in the hood prompted me to think more about the assumptions that I was making earlier and realize that they were incorrect.
i don't think it's *strategic*, exactly. if you're scum here, you kind of have a choice of who you want to 1v1 - scamper seems to be 50/50, and i'm leaning you. so it seems logical that you'd rather have scamper be the deciding vote than me be the deciding vote.In post 1676, Coral wrote:I don't see why there's strategic benefit to me as scum starting to suspect you here, so I don't really get your point? On the surface it looks like I'm realigning myself in some way to get ready for a new direction. That will draw your attention and probably make you suspicious of me. But there's no reason for me to do that as scum, because if you vote for me, I can just find those reasons then. It doesn't benefit me at all to be preparing to angle towards you beforehand unless it's something that I think will make me look more town (which I don't think it really does).
and if you can sense that i'm going to be voting you, and that you'll be 1v1ing me, i think it's kind of instinctual to want to get a head start on that? because like, either you (1) have to show that you think i might be scum, or (2) you have to start trying really, REALLY hard to convince me you're actually town
because like, if you do neither of those things, THEN it looks like you're saying "yeah, i think datisi is town, but i also want datisi to vote first, yes i'm aware he's probably voting me, lols". and that is very obviously not something town ever does? (unless they give zero shits about the game, which obviously doesn't apply to you)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i think it looked more like you're not as sure on scamper!scum as you were before, but this is semanticsIn post 1692, Coral wrote:I think that my stated reasoning when I talk about why I chose you makes it pretty clear that I think there is a strong possibility of you being scum.
because it's easier to do than make huge cases attempting to convince me you're town, and because reminding scamper for reasons why they were suspicious of us / showing that you agree with them can potentially pocket them? i also think that most scum try to have some level of consistency - you're going to claim you wouldn't have done it because it wasn't necessary, and i can't prove otherwise obviously, but it's something that i just *feel* is likely to be coming from scum!mindset who's about to enter a 1v1In post 1691, Coral wrote:
I still don't see why I would want to get a head start on that. There's no need for a clean progression there. And if I didn't ever think that you might be scum, I would have voted scamper a while ago, so clearly that possibility has still been on my mind all day.In post 1688, Datisi wrote:i don't think it's *strategic*, exactly. if you're scum here, you kind of have a choice of who you want to 1v1 - scamper seems to be 50/50, and i'm leaning you. so it seems logical that you'd rather have scamper be the deciding vote than me be the deciding vote.
and if you can sense that i'm going to be voting you, and that you'll be 1v1ing me, i think it's kind of instinctual to want to get a head start on that? because like, either you (1) have to show that you think i might be scum, or (2) you have to start trying really, REALLY hard to convince me you're actually town
because like, if you do neither of those things, THEN it looks like you're saying "yeah, i think datisi is town, but i also want datisi to vote first, yes i'm aware he's probably voting me, lols". and that is very obviously not something town ever does? (unless they give zero shits about the game, which obviously doesn't apply to you)
Maybe I misunderstood how likely you were to vote me? At the time I decided I wanted you to vote first, I thought you were closer to undecided but the way you're talking now makes it sound like you are strongly leaning towards me.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i was going through d1 and writing out what came to me... there's not many comments on you because you were not as present on d1, which is something for itselfIn post 1693, Coral wrote:It could be my bias, but it felt like there was a lot of "okay this reason to townread scamper isn't as good as I thought" and then at the end you said you were leaning towards me and it just... kind of felt like you had already decided that's what you wanted to do and weren't looking at the game on a deeper level.
like, i found that my reasons for townreading scamper had possible holes in them, but also that they were overall still there, and that the game made more sense to me with you being scum than with them being scum
do you think that scum!me, who decided i was gonna end on a scumread on you, spends the entirety of the post saying how my reasons for townreading scamper weren't as good as before?
the reason why i was on board with that plan is because i thought it was just meg, and i felt like i had good reasons to townread both you and scamper >.>In post 1693, Coral wrote:Especially because in the hood it felt like you were pretty on board with the "meg or scamper is scum" plan, and said that I was very likely to just be town. It feels like the progression to get from there to where you entered today is missing.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i think scum!me would be capable of coming up with better reasons to call you scum if i wanted to
if anything, scamper has been calling you scum basically all game, that's a place for inspiration
ftr, i don't think my reasons for thinking you're scum are *great*, but unfortunately the deadline is in two hours and i'm half braindead currently which means that i don't have the luxury of acquiring better materialI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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god i feel extremely shitty saying this if you're town, but no, i don't really
1) and 2) sorta blend into self-meta points that i can see coming from town-you but i also can see scum-you make in a "i wish i had played this part differently" sort of way
3) is the only part that's kind of convincing, but also it's like, i feel that it applies to all of us because i don't think anyone has been trying to shove their own ideas at the expense of others'
(i think you might actually be closest to *not* doing that with the cases you wrote for town-me scum-scamper, but also not really and this isn't something i would actually consider that ai anyway)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i don't think i doIn post 1703, scamper wrote:do u have any questions for me dats?
i'm racking my brain to see if i can ask anything of you, but i'm getting the feeling your answers will just be sensible and won't actually let me solve you betterI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i typed up a coral vote but i deleted it
i feel like there is *something* that will show the answer to me but i'm just so tired and i know it's probably not there anywayI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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how was this ever viable yesterday? meg thought he was town, i was saying he's town, ausuka was just paranoid on him, but had a stronger scumread of megIn post 1707, Coral wrote:I could have pushed for scamper instead yesterday.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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i'm fairly certain i had at least one (1) post in the main thread saying that i think he's probably Just Town, and i had spent the last like few days talking about it being meg
obviously my confidence there on d2 was a bit exaggerated but the read still stoodI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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aaaaah i kinda wish you hadn't told me thatI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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agh, does scum!scamper risk me being a paranoid mess like that
unless he's literally just making fun of me at this pointI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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