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Post #42 (isolation #6) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:04 am
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
I'm terrible at town hunting, so this should be a fun exercise. I think I'll probably just scum hunt for both and whoever is not leaning nai/scum can go in the coalition.
Is it better for scum to have two people in the coalition or one in and one out? I can see sides of both but depending on what scum are good at as scum it might not mean a lot to talk this out.
I think they'd both try to get in making it more likely at least one get in. It's an interesting idea that they could patsy one to get the other one in though. I like it.
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Post #110 (isolation #17) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:04 am
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 97, The Coalition wrote:also general suggestion is to use the coalition itself as pressure as it scares scum a lot more to see their name excluded on lists. I had people voting me in the last iteration and it had 0 effect on pressure(I was town tho), but seeing ppl not include my name made me feel pressured to get on.
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Post #112 (isolation #18) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:08 am
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 83, Iverson wrote:I wasn't a fan of Cheeky's posting but she's trying to put out content. I contrast that to Vulture, who instead of giving hasty alignment speculation lingered aimlessly on mechanics.
I already have this hydra as a townlean though, not because of Cheeky but because of Gamma.
Gamma has been tilted out of his mind lately by people not efforting as scum/a rapidfire town getting ahead early. He's learned to play significantly faster paced accordingly in order to avoid this. Here he was content to pop in and leave it to Cheeky; in contrast scumGamma has been of this bizarre mindset that he's the one carrying every game even when he gets flipped Day 1/2 like clockwork.
While I appreciate the sentiment, it’s blatant misinformation that I almost always get eliminated D1/2
Out of 4 recent games where I rolled scum at the start (I had 1 game where I replaced into a doomed scum slot) I was not voted out or caught within the first 2 days in 2 of them, and I had decent endgame equity in both of the games I made it past the beginning in
-G
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Post #113 (isolation #19) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:13 am
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 94, The Coalition wrote:GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.
Why is it blatantly scum?
Tbh I have a plethora of thoughts on this
-G
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Post #117 (isolation #20) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:20 am
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
1) I don’t think that’s what GL is doing
2) why so certain about something that is very much a thing townies also do?
3) if 1 is clarified, I could potentially see an issue because while I think in general the action described isn’t AI I think doing it this early would be weird, in a bad way
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Post #155 (isolation #21) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:39 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 154, The Coalition wrote:iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.
This is a little rich considering your stance on GL.
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Post #161 (isolation #22) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:43 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
The uncle shelby/Iverson coalitions are interesting in that they have each other in them plus pretty much the same constituents. Not sure what that means yet.
Iverson appears to be in everyone's wishlist with little effort.
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Post #170 (isolation #25) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:49 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 157, The Coalition wrote:just as an added thought to my previous post, in my experience when scum try to frame me as scum - they'll attack my playstyle primarily, because it is easily framed as scummy. (fact is, I can mimic it nearly perfectly between town/scum so its NAI) - and their insistence about garbage(that yes, is scum indicative for the average scum player who hates playing scum) like "LAMIST" shit is the type of stuff I'd expect scum to try to point out to push what appears to be a reasonable scumread.
I feel like GL is giving you opportunities to explain your stances and you keep shutting him down by avoiding the questions and calling him scum. I don't think he's misrepping/framing you unfairly.
~ C
In post 162, The Cheek of Gamma wrote:Just so I understand how this works, we all choose our coalitions then there's a vote of which coalition is best, is that right?
~ C
5 people have to vote the exact same list of 5 people
Oh lorde, this is going to be harder than I thought.
~C
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Post #181 (isolation #29) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:55 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 178, The Coalition wrote:but one thing I did notice was the difference in treatment of iverson and I and the coincidence of iverson having them as a coalition choice
they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"
I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability
Ok, let's start over. Let's say GL has never interacted with you, ignoring those posts and looking at what's left, why do you think he's scum?
~C
This is a... strange question.
I'm a strange person.
Why do you call such?
~C
I don't quite know why yet and I'm trying to figure it out.
It feels weird, maybe, to remove the context of interactions from an ISO? It feels like you're trying to maybe play good cop for Coalition when no one's really on their side which... eh. I don't know.
I'm playing good cop because I see myself in them. I get tunneled, but sometimes the tunnel is right but I can't get taken seriously because omgus. I think GL could be scum, and am legitimately interested in coalition providing a valid point other than "only scum think I'm scum"
In post 189, The Cheek of Gamma wrote:I think GL could be scum, and am legitimately interested in coalition providing a valid point other than "only scum think I'm scum"
a) who is your coalition right now?
b) why are you still voting with me to yeet Coalition if this is your current view?
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Post #230 (isolation #36) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:48 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C
In post 230, The Cheek of Gamma wrote:I suspected that around page 6, but feeling it's a little far fetched given scum meta these days. Plus GL suggesting they both stay off coalition lists is antiwincon.
~C
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Post #240 (isolation #39) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:02 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
I wouldn't say frozen, but possibly scum based on meta and him being so awkwardly town. I do have a bad habit of scumreading people just because they're towny though haha. Not sure about Coalition, I mean maybe? Scum theatre more likely between vulture/implosion imho and they both fit scum meta of sitting back avoiding the ripples.
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Post #251 (isolation #44) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:18 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 250, GuiltyLion wrote:what do you mean by the "pushing the right slots for scum"? Like, if he is scum, he is pushing slots that benefit him the most? Or he is pushing slots that you think are most likely to be scum?
I think you mean the latter but I want to be sure I'm understanding you
No the former. Both of you seem to be townread to some degree, getting you both off the list leaves more room for scum assuming you're both town.
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Post #252 (isolation #45) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:22 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
I will admit I was a little paranoid of an Iverson/GL team
And it's still possible that Pooky has taken the route of hard distancing instead, but I think you past scumgames have a different tone to here so I'll roll with that.
~ C
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Post #255 (isolation #46) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 3:28 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
It's okay we have time. Coalition kinda bleeds town to me because their strat of yelling about GL being a wolf isn't going to benefit them as scum and that frustration only makes sense if they're town.
~ C
In post 255, The Cheek of Gamma wrote:It's okay we have time. Coalition kinda bleeds town to me because their strat of yelling about GL being a wolf isn't going to benefit them as scum and that frustration only makes sense if they're town.
~ C
Why doesn't it benefit them as scum? Isn't like, the #1 thing scum have to do in this setup to stop, y'know, coalitions of townies from forming?
Sorry, not what they're doing, but how they're doing it
Like how are they going to progress a scum agenda going about things the way they are? Has coalition persuaded you that GL shouldn't be in your coalition?
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Post #269 (isolation #51) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:09 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 128, The Coalition wrote:this is basically a main claim, but I randed scum with gamma and their usual weaknesses I've seen in the past were not present anymore.
There’s like 2 people this can be, and Iverson named one of them
And Iverson was probably right since just looking at posting style it looks more like DkKoba than the other person I had in mind
-G
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Post #270 (isolation #52) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:16 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
In post 138, implosion wrote:the coalition's read on me is really interesting because I'm not sure if that kind of reasoning is something I'm bad at faking as scum; I'd like to think it isn't, but it might be.
...incredibly once again, I typed this sentence before seeing 135
I think i'm kind of bad at scum tbh. I sort of focus on mimicing town thought in general, or at least my overall approach historically has been to try to do things that I think I'd be doing as town/read people based on the reads I think I'd be getting on them. Since it's most of what I focus on in principle I'm better at it than I am at other aspects of scum play. I don't think I'm an especially good scum player though.
I’m not sure on the finer details but I think implo is low-key obvscum when he’s scum from last time I remember him randing scum, and this also feels like a vaguely honest description of his scumplay, which are +town for implo
-G
In post 154, The Coalition wrote:iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.
I have outed two townreads-one with extended justification, the other denied it by meta-elsewhere while you townread implosion for not being a potato and tunnel GuiltyLion for incoherent nonsense.
If implosion is town all you have to do is get out of the way.
It took a second but Iverson kinda misread my post
I wasn’t denying the read so much as being like “hey you’re underrating me and in a way that feels diminutive”
Although whether I would sit out the opening as scum is like, entirely dependent on my partners, since having come off the aforementioned scum streak, my big takeaway is to not get bogged down trying to carry weaker teammates
-G
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Post #274 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:30 pm
Postby The Cheek of Gamma »
Also, I think it would be reckless to have an elimination happen immediately after the coalition check occurs without taking time to evaluate why the coalition failed (since the only time the following elim would be relevant would be if the coalition fails)
-G
(FYI I’m trying to consistently tag my posts so C doesn’t have to be consistent. I also probably won’t be doing the “guess who” stuff I like to do since a) I don’t feel like that fits the vibe of this game and b) it pretty much always results in people not getting it)
Sadge (but I knew it happened and get why)
-G
(small point of real talk, I felt like there was a tinge of bad blood between me and Iverson/Prism after our last two games together, but this game made me realize it’s probably cool between us)