"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-08-13 20:45:00).
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I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 415, Black Ranger wrote:I really liked 94. The "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" vibe I'm getting does read completely like bravado and may even be performative. How has The Coaltion being outed as Koba as of post 128 effected how you feel about the theatrics of their behavior?
Also, what experience do you have with Koba? I'm looking over MN 2199 (starting at day 2) and MN 2205 to spot a difference.
I don't have direct experience with Koba, but I am aware they're a polarizing player that I do buy has the stronger ego/bravado playstyle that I was originally disliking likely regardless of alignment. I also read the hydra ISO of Pooky/Koba in the last Coalition game they referenced, and while it was hard to tell sometimes which was Pooky and which was Koba, the overall approach to the game also felt similar to play here.
This has weakened my scumread, but at the same time I still haven't found any strong town indicators in their ISO. I do like that Kobalition and I have a lot of similar reads - but now the scumread on Art is hard for me to grok and I wonder whether it's meant to try to purposely subvert Pooky's coalition - part of why I'm joining it.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
In post 417, Uncle Shelby wrote:Interesting that the only people who have a problem with my playstyle being "uncharitable" are my scumreads
Interesting that you can't seem to imagine why someone town who is being asked about surface-level "contradictions" wouldn't find your approach disingenuous.
Did you have any further thoughts on my 358 and 359? Did I address your questions in a satisfying way?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
I'd like Art/Vulture to sell me on why we should have Uncle Shelby in a Coalition over Cheek. I see where Vulure's coming from with the Cheek pressure on page 18, but knowing Gamma I can imagine him reacting that way as town. I still find Uncle Shelby very hard to see as town, his pushes feel very surface level and like he's playing with an agenda to throw dirt on townies (myself, Cheek) rather than find town and build a winning coalition.
Specifically my 358 I think highlights this point most directly. He asked me a very shallow question ("why didn't you consider scum!Vulture") when the context of my post/question wouldn't make a lot of sense to consider scum!Vulture. And then when he returned to the thread, he completely ignored the substance of my replies to post a cheap dig in 417. That's attempting to manipulate public opinion, rather than engage with people.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
Coalition-Tier TR: {Vulture, Cheek, Pooky}
weaker-read-but-still-like-for-town: {implosion, Art}
don't want in a coalition: {Kobalition, Uncle Shelby, Black Ranger}
I think there's definitely at least one scum in that bottom three, and I feel good about no scum in the top three.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
I get putting them in a coalition for the sake of having the same coalition but I don't understand why they're there in your reads; you said you don't jive with a scumread on them but you haven't given any reason to see them as town.
And FWIW I do have reservations on Pooky obviously but at this point I think that coalition with me instead of Art (what you had as your coalition before swapping) is pretty good right now, albeit not really a coalition since Pooky and Vulture seem to have reservations about me.
I think we need to be forcing the issue more on the Coalition, we can't delay that until the last second before deadline cause we'd be forced into a rushed elimination if it fails. And scum panic/manipulation if they are not included will be easier to see if we're closer to locking a Coalition.
I think I'll join Pooky's coalition at the moment, I'm confident in Pooky/Cheek/Vulture and willing to sheep on Art HURT: implosion HEAL: Art
I'm down with this. Gemerald and I battling over Implosion alignment. I might be able to persuade him to make the same swap.
~ C
HURT: implosion HEAL: Art
-G
This is funny because Cheeky just ninja’ed me on this as I was entering the preview window (I just about always hit the preview button before writing p much anything if it’s a post that is meant to start with a vote). I was trying to reconcile reads with Cheeky since we both think Vulture and Shelby are suspicious, but she thinks one of them is partners with implosion as she has him as lockscum.
<Embrace The Void>
“A flipped coin doesn't always land heads or tails. Sometimes it may never land at all...”
In post 461, Gamma Emerald wrote:HURT: implosion HEAL: Art
-G
This is funny because Cheeky just ninja’ed me on this as I was entering the preview window (I just about always hit the preview button before writing p much anything if it’s a post that is meant to start with a vote). I was trying to reconcile reads with Cheeky since we both think Vulture and Shelby are suspicious, but she thinks one of them is partners with implosion as she has him as lockscum.
Effectively the coalition proposes that there are two scum in coalition/uncle/implosion/ranger. It would be good to get 4 votes for the same coalition to up the ante.
~ C
In post 430, The Coalition wrote:Art is scum.
I can't really put my finger on it but the way they're viewing the game is very 1 dimensional.
Also has to do with who i think they are
Its all "this post good so player good" and vague assignments like logic/tone that aren't even valid tools outside of pushing out of RVS.
After their accusation of putting implo and i as teamed i realized their pov is completely whack and their perspective is not town here.
In post 430, The Coalition wrote:Art is scum.
I can't really put my finger on it but the way they're viewing the game is very 1 dimensional.
Also has to do with who i think they are
Its all "this post good so player good" and vague assignments like logic/tone that aren't even valid tools outside of pushing out of RVS.
After their accusation of putting implo and i as teamed i realized their pov is completely whack and their perspective is not town here.
I kind of just ask that if that coalition fails we policy Art. I feel like Cheeky is tunneling on me and is just gonna interpret everything I say as scummy, and Pooky is very locked in their ways, so it might be better for me to not be in it if we do broadly want both of them in it so that I'm not policied if it fails.
(author's note/lampshade: perhaps cheeky will interpret this post as "implosion is scum, therefore he must be trying to sabotage the coalition since I know he's scum and now he needs to make it look like it's actually bad"; or perhaps cheeky will interpret this post as "implosion said he doesn't need to be in the coalition, so there must be scum in it already"; only time will tell; yes i am annoyed that i'm being tunneled)
I just don't understand how 3 people have Art in their coalitions.
One person said they think Art is town for no reason, another person said they're sheeping that person, and another person has now added them to their coalition (though to be fair cheeky has now asked about swapping art with koba).
Where is this coming from? It's entirely possible Art is town but they're seemingly bubbling into coalitions with no actual reason, and I feel like if the coalition fails it's going to lead to a sort of poisoning effect where we can't really resolve anything without eliminating them. I mean maybe that's for the best even, idk. I still just am so skeptical of people claiming they can read strongly into art; I can buy koba's take that it's just unlikely that a townie would have a me/koba team as their take but I don't think it's like, particularly strongly likely to be correct. And none of the people who have included art in their coalition have given a valid reason why they're town afaict.
In post 457, implosion wrote:GL, why is art in the middle tier of your reads? Purely sheeping Pooky? You realize Pooky's reasoning for Art-town is literally nothing, right?
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
In post 430, The Coalition wrote:Art is scum.
I can't really put my finger on it but the way they're viewing the game is very 1 dimensional.
Also has to do with who i think they are
Its all "this post good so player good" and vague assignments like logic/tone that aren't even valid tools outside of pushing out of RVS.
After their accusation of putting implo and i as teamed i realized their pov is completely whack and their perspective is not town here.
Who's your ideal coalition atm?
~ C
me, implo, pooky, CL, you
Can you talk about implo and vulture reads so I can try to get where you're coming from?
~ C
"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
"I can't even look at the game anymore.
That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
I think Art is likely town too but tbh the gimmick is hard to scumread whereas coalition is not playing to scum meta here nor does he seem under any stress to get into the coalition which means he is town or his buddy is already town read. Gemerald would feel more comfortable replacing art with a readable player.
~ C
