Chaos Diplomacy FINISHED! Who were the survivors?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What is the current situation I need to comment on?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For Turkey and Friends: Where do you currently stand on your position wrt to Russia?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cheery Dog: Where is your head at currently?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll speak for Russia here. I believe our current plan is to expand toward the west and support our Scandinavian allies rather than bother you lovely Turks.

Translation for the Mediterranean, African, Italian and Turkish forces: We will take Western Europe then move downwards and clean you out with the Scandinavians

It's well known in this game, Russia has a positional advantage, and if they take Western Europe this game will be all but over for a lot of people.

I am calling for any and all allies who are willing to support an anti-Russian alliance. Given my position in Berlin, I am on the front lines of this fight, and will be taking all the heat. This is all upside, as you'll be gaining territory and an extremely loyal ally.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My Propsal

Budapest to Galacia
Munich to Silescia
Berlin to Prussia

We force Warsaw to make a choice. Fight with us against the russians, or die as we all support Budapest's troop into Warsaw.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and yes, I'm willing to give territory to anyone who helps us. I'm not feeling greedy. My survival in exchage for giving you more bases is fine by me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"worry about Germany"

Buddy, I'm about to be hit from 2 fronts by Scandinavia and Russia. I don't know what you're smoking, but I've got no time for a war on any other front but against Russia.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll speak for Russia here. I believe our current plan is to expand toward the west and support our Scandinavian allies rather than bother you lovely Turks.

Translation for the Mediterranean, African, Italian and Turkish forces: We will take Western Europe then move downwards and clean you out with the Scandinavians

It's well known in this game, Russia has a positional advantage, and if they take Western Europe this game will be all but over for a lot of people.

I am calling for any and all allies who are willing to support an anti-Russian alliance. Given my position in Berlin, I am on the front lines of this fight, and will be taking all the heat. This is all upside, as you'll be gaining territory and an extremely loyal ally.

"worry about Germany"

Buddy, I'm about to be hit from 2 fronts by Scandinavia and Russia. I don't know what you're smoking, but I've got no time for a war on any other front but against Russia.

Sure. I'm glad to hear it, I just haven't been paying too much attention to what your relations with Italy are. I'm all for beating the tar out of russia.

I'm in, friend. Anyone who helps keeps my alive will have my full support and unwavering loyalty.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Besides, Axxle is really cocky and overconfident, and it's annoying me. I'd love to see him go down... 10 pegs or so~.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My Propsal

Budapest to Galacia
Munich to Silescia
Berlin to Prussia

We force Warsaw to make a choice. Fight with us against the russians, or die as we all support Budapest's troop into Warsaw.

I suggest

klick

to move in to take an abandoned Berlin if possible.

Warsaw

, if you try and move into one of the territories Germany is trying to invade, you'll both bounce back to the original territories which will put you out of harms way.

They have to move to sea first.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Besides, Axxle is really cocky and overconfident, and it's annoying me. I'd love to see him go down... 10 pegs or so~.

Me? Cocky? Never!

Honestly, I'm kind of on the verge of saying "anyone who supports me in killing Axxle from this game, can have Berlin".

the more I listen to you open your mouth, the more I'd be happy enough watching you die even if it cost me the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Constantinople and Africa: Could you be conviced to attack Russia from a second front?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey, you three

Join the MABP yea?

Oh hey, we're vying for the same thing.

Could we make an accord? I would be willing to give a lot of things to watch Russia fall.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Scandinavia: I understand you've given commitment to Russia as an ally. Is there anything you'd consider for changing this stance and attacking Russia?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Besides, Axxle is really cocky and overconfident, and it's annoying me. I'd love to see him go down... 10 pegs or so~.

Me? Cocky? Never!

Honestly, I'm kind of on the verge of saying "anyone who supports me in killing Axxle from this game, can have Berlin".

the more I listen to you open your mouth, the more I'd be happy enough watching you die even if it cost me the game.

Sorry if I've said something offensive, just trying to play a game.

That's a shame.

But you have to remember this isn't chess, you're playing with people.

And people aren't rational always.

And when you're threatening to end my game like it's nothing, then you better expect me to start firing shots back. Even if it means my eventual death, I'm happy to set a personal win condition of your loss.

Maybe not everyone is like this, but I am. So it's a question of what you do now, isn't it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So, let's say, if Holland and Munich both attack Berlin how does that work? Do they all bounce off each other?

If they both attack, and Berlin stays it's 1 for Berlin 1for Munich, 1 for Holland.

If however, Holland attacks and Munich SUPPORTS that attack, Berlin has 1 and Holland's attack has value 2, so Berlin will be forced to RETREAT from Berlin.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Essentially, for each unit that SUPPORTS another unit's move, it increases the "power" of that move by 1.

You can also support a HOLD move.

So if Berlin holds and was supported by 1.

and holland attacks and was supported by 1.

Berlin would stay in berlin and Holland's attack would bounce BACK to holland.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, I'm strongly considering the march on Russia with you, however I still have concerns about holding the low countries against the naval onslaught from the north. If they gain a beachhead on the mainland before the end of year one we're both going to have to retreat from the Russian front to defend the rear. Perhaps N can support their defense from his home turf or Ruhr if Klick is not hostile. I'm glad to see Klick is considering his options.

Beyond that conundrum, I still have to watch what is coming out of Italy. Dan is right that pablito's options are slim given the current Mediterranean alliance. If he does move to Tyr I will hold in Munich to defend myself. Of course I'd rather see our Venice/Munich/Vienna nonaggression pact take precedence over membership in his larger alliance right now. pabs, where are you trying to go? I can try to position myself in Bur to support an Venetian invasion of Marseilles on turn two.

We need to get an attack plan running for sure. What are you suggesting as a move?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm.

The importance of this move is Warsaw. Cheery needs to know that he needs to help kill Russia, or he's caught in the middle of a war and will be a casualty automatically.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd rather you support the low countries so everyone doesn't get overrun than Venice nabbing Munich. It won't help anyone and incur german wrath. so.

Kätzchen in einer Wut ?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My Propsal

Budapest to Galacia
Munich to Silescia
Berlin to Prussia

We force Warsaw to make a choice. Fight with us against the russians, or die as we all support Budapest's troop into Warsaw.

Isn't Vienna to Galicia better than this for everyone? That allows Budapest to help me against sevastopol

Otherwise I'm very on board with this.

I mean, if it is I'm happy to follow.

I'm not a great strategist as it happens, I lack the... visual spacial intelligence for area control.

that being said, if this were just an area control game, it wouldn't be so fun~. I'm happy to follow anything that works against Russia.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

3. @Kiel (N): As long as you're not attacking me, I have no interest in attacking you. I have reason to focus on the seas, and you benefit more from southern land gains. Non-aggression pact?

yes

Klick, can I ask that I be included on this? All of Germany wants no quarrel or war with you. We are focused on the people who have directly stated they're coming after us.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hmm.

The importance of this move is Warsaw. Cheery needs to know that he needs to help kill Russia, or he's caught in the middle of a war and will be a casualty automatically.

Please don't kill unarmed civilians

Are you willing to fight Russia?

Help me kill Axxle.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll just reiterate, if you plan to move to Tyr it is fine, but I will stand pat in Munich. If you hold in Ven I'll either march east against Russia or slide northwest to help hold the line in Belgium/Holland. I don't want to move out only to turn around and march home again on turn two to prevent the possibility of a year one elimination. No amount of honeyed words can convince me anyone will say no to a free center coming at the expense of someone outside your own core alliance. German wrath being unleashed because I've been stabbed won't be a great consolation to me in the dead thread, to say nothing of the fact that if I fall before the end of the first year and the Scandinavian-centered Great Northern Alliance holds together that German wrath would amount to little more than a whimper.

I'm the german Wrath, trust me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's a shame you chose that klick. It's not just Russia that you need to worry about.

He says like London wasn't already looking for a way to kill Scandinavia.

LOL

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Scandinavia: I understand you've given commitment to Russia as an ally. Is there anything you'd consider for changing this stance and attacking Russia?

You see, Russia is a really good ally for us and we need to handle the conflict on the western front. So unless things change, we would be busy sinking ships in the North Sea for a while.

Would you like the building plans for a faster and powerful Field Artillery that we have developed instead? Maybe it will help you Germans in your Trench Warfare

For me, as long as you're not assisting Russia directly in attacking Germany, I'm happy to agree to a non-aggression pact wiith you all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Zulfy, all of Turkey joined the Mediterranian alliance early. :p
And yes, fleets can send tanks from anyone out there. We once made a fleet cannon that shot a tank from Denmark to Greece.

Radja, we're still good. Axxle is quite convincing and if I tried to invade you I don't think I could hold Sev anyways.

Are you allying with Russia then?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh hey, this isn't a mafia game.

So guess what I can use~

Lady Lambdadelta will honour a non-aggression pact with the Scandinavian forces, contingent upon their agreement not to enter the seas above Berlin and Germany, and as such to pose no threat potentially invalid. To be clear, this means that any movement that places you within one movement phase of German soil, without prior agreement from all parties involved.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cheery, if you want to live through this Russia war, please make your action

Hold Warsaw

.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Klick are we waiting to see first round moves before deciding where we stand on alliances?

I've already made it clear what I prefer and will be supporting the Low Countries, but if you want to stay neutral to the whole thing, I don't mind. Just remember that Germany will consider it an act of war if you move south. Moving to Skagerrak might be a decent option?

See, Klick and I are on the same page. I like that. <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Klick isnt sounding much like a northerner any more. Here's hoping Scandinavia moves on without him.

You are so transparent, LMFAO.

"here's hoping Scandinavia splits apart and becomes weaker so we can have an easier time picking them off."

[Lady Lambdadelta]

While this is a bit short notice, I'd kinda like to make this a formal proposition for our alliance, since both the german and Austrian conglomerates are advancing, and a lot of us are bottlenecked.

With Mist moving to Pie, I think this increases the need for

Prop 6:
A Ven - Tyr

Yes: Rome
No:

1/9

It's not the biggest deal, but it's nice to have breathing room

This is going to incur German anger, you know that right?

Like, We're trying to fight off the Russian alliance and the use of "german conglomerate" is really funnny to me because it contains like 2 people. Myself and OGML.

So like, if you want to end up doing this that's your call but it's act of war.

We're trying to keep Russia from dominating this game and you're the ones bottlenecking us.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would rather have all three on my side then just two, but I'll take what i can get.

In this post, London doesn't deny that they want to kill Scanadinavia.

Who is surprised?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pablito, be aware that if you make the A Ven -> Tyr move it won't be ActionDan or Mist or anyone in your alliance that suffers it will be you and only you.

So like, just know they're using you at this point for their own benefit, knowing that Germany has a standing order to fight anyone who is encroaching on us.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're basically being sacrificed by ActionDan, like he would a pawn in chess.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would rather have all three on my side then just two, but I'll take what i can get.

In this post, London doesn't deny that they want to kill Scanadinavia.

Who is surprised?

Are you going to try and win this by just being the loudest?

If Scandinavia is worried let them voice it.

"Shut up and stop ruining my plans, let me lie to people in peace!"

Seriously, I'm not going to stop pointing out that the Scandinavians should ally with the people who are in a similar position to them. The Germans are ALSO getting pincered on a ton of fronts, and the Scandiavian Fleets + German Armies would be our only hope in the long run of being able to survive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"worry about Germany"

Buddy, I'm about to be hit from 2 fronts by Scandinavia and Russia. I don't know what you're smoking, but I've got no time for a war on any other front but against Russia.

and yes, I'm willing to give territory to anyone who helps us. I'm not feeling greedy. My survival in exchage for giving you more bases is fine by me.

You tell me how these contradict, dude.

I'm saying that people who fight with me in Russia will be the ones to gain Russian territories. I'm not greedy about those SCs. Further, my post about Scandinavia was before we had a non-aggression accord, so I don't see where I've lied.

Tl;dr you're trying to discredit me because I'm shining spotlights in the faces of all the big alliances, and you don't like that.

I have been telling and will continue to tell the truth.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OGML should advance. I am not moving to Tyr without a majority of votes from my alliance. Right now, there is only a plurality vote due to absent voters.

Thanks Pabs.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just keep digging that hole lol

What hole? You and Russia both want me dead ANYWAY, so people just get to see that publicly.

Like, people know who my targets are, so they can trust me to be consistent.

Unlike you, who is sharpening the knife with a grin.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just keep digging that hole lol

You're literally the one full of shit.

This, so much this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have yet to lie to anyone. In fact, i have been be honest with who i support and what my intentions are. The low countries however, have said anything they can to gather support including discrediting other nations when there has literally been no actions worth indicating intentions.

So just keep digging while people like Zulify and random recognize your shady talk.

lol pls

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, I need some strategy talk helps please~. Not entirely sure what to do yet, so all input is welcome.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ogml, thank you for your approach: ceph, I feel a bit....put out at the idea of you 'giving' other territories away. Maybe we should chat about that. I was feeling pretty happy and also pleased with mario's support following through, so maybe I'm being over sensitive.

lld, thoughts?

I'm happy to support you into Warsaw. In return all I want is for you to convince shadoweh and friends to attack Russia on the lower side in the black sea area.

In addition, if later in the game you have an opportunity to support me, I'd like it if you could return the favour in an alliance form.

Beyond that, I'm happy to let you be the benefactor of this. If we hit Russia from 3 angles (Warsaw, Black Sea, Above) they won't have enough resources to support and hold all their locations. As such, they'll lose footholds, and once they lose one, it's all that's needed for Russia to fall.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If Sweden's fleet attack St. Petersburg, it forces their Army to retreat or lose.

If sevastopol is attacked by the turks and the africans, then it forces split attention there

Meaning Bella and I can attack Warsaw.

So whether they lose Petersburg, Warsaw or sevastopol they're losing one SC and not long after that their entire alliance will fall.

It takes the three pronged attack though.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you can both agree on having Bella control Warsaw then great, I just assumed otherwise.

This is a good plan. And no matter what Sweden says on the matter Axxle would be nuts to believe them.

I told you before, people who help me will gain territory. I'm not greedy, perfectly willing to give up a zone for this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm cool with that. Russia won't be attacked (particularly successfully) this turn.
Klick, Germany are clearly incredibly untrustworthy. Is it really optimal to ally with them?

You're fucking deluded, m8. I'm the single most honest fucking person in this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Replacing out. This is a huge time commitment, and life just got weird.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Replacing out. This is a huge time commitment, and life just got weird.

Yeh I'm sorry. Maybe if we play real diplomacy some time I'll be down but this is too much for me at the moment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm a firey cat. I don't play possum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Thanks for running the game, Flum. Sorry I had to bail, things got way too busy for me at the time. Wish I could have played this out.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh! And apparently I got a mention in the award part, lol.

Thanks! I appreciate it.