Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Vecna]

so am i tbh.

shit's awesome.

caught that scum

like a big fat fish, just need to reel it in now.

[Vecna]

wtf is even going on anymore.
-Nebby

Fro99er caught scum Vecnar and I endorse this bandwagon.

hahahahhahahaha.

Frogger, I do hope you are seeing what im seeing here.

Because it is so painfully obvious.

[Vecna]

I'm going to get drunk and blatantly ignore this thread but for Elbrin's question.

I'll let Math catch up too.

~Titus

psssh and now you run off. Just when were getting somewhere

[Vecna]

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

Notice how he realized what I was doing.

I went from his townread.

To him instantly going "oh Frogger caught a scum, I totally approve of him noticing it".

ABR is caught.

And he knows it.

I challenge you to come up with any reasoning scum would have to start a gambit such as I just did.

This is only done by town being ovely confident in a read.

ABR = MANIPULATING SCUM

[Vecna]

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

Titus, the foundation is in place. Now hammer Beeboy to see what theyre made off

VOTE: Beeboy

LET THE DIE BE CAST

COOKIE MONSTER WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT

ALISAE FUCKING READ THIS HE SAYS ABR IS PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE THEN VOTES WITH ABR SECONDS LATER. COME ON

Sup frogger, you dont realize either it gives us scum, or discredits him enough for people to see the light?

youre not really this dense right?

Scum!vecna being townread by nearly everyone putting himself on the chopping block to get one town lynched? Dont make me laugh.

[Vecna]

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

Titus, the foundation is in place. Now hammer Beeboy to see what theyre made off

VOTE: Beeboy

LET THE DIE BE CAST

COOKIE MONSTER WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT

Titus.
Look at this with a clear mind.
And ask yourself "Is Vecna's behavoir here townish? Is it towny to plant this kind of paranoia and foundation in the town? Is it towny to vote with someone you just voted and scumread?"
-Nebby

Nebby, I want to end the day either on Beeboy or ABR. ABR is my scumread, Beeboy will either flip scum or give me what I want tomorrow.

Why would I 1v1 ABR here as scum? While im in absolutely no danger of getting lynched whatsoever.

Im doing it because im convinced he's scum and a detriment to town.

We were all getting along. Untill he stopped lurking and started attacking titus, and rummaging around.

All of a sudden frog is hopping around, youre hopping around, all coherence is gone.

Lynch me if you must, but you WILL lynch ABR tomorrow.

[Vecna]

Came off as Vecna defending LUV to me.
-Nebby

Youre right. Im defending the obvious town player because some people are too dense to see it.

Now im 1v1'ing ARB because people are too dense to see it.

Take your pick.

[Vecna]

I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something.

You have the choice to lynch the obv choice or the obv scum.

Yes I casted doubt. Because you need to doubt the obvious scum.

Scum casts doubt without you knowing it. I do it blatantly and right in your face.

Because I know what has to happen. And im convinced about it.

[Vecna]

I think some people are overreacting to the way how I tried to push them to vote my way. 2 votes were allready on me from before, and maria was scumreading me before.

ABR on my wagon is the obvious scum.

Ceasar could be scum, but we dont have enough information.

Im a bit sad that the Alisae hydra and Froggeh are voting me. I thought they would see what I am doing, and realize it cannot possibly be scum motivated (misguided town at the worst). Im trying to defend our townblock and get the interfearing scum lynched.

Titus is right.

Anyone doubting just needs to go thrrough ABR's iso.

He went from hard-lurking, to attacking titus, to pretending to want to get replaced, to suddenly being hyper-active and trying to strongarm people into a certain lynch.

His response to my action was the most telling. He knew he had nowhere to go as soon as I did such a crazy move that made sure there was no way back for me.

his only course of action now is to try and win the 1v1 and try and bullshit his way out of this situation tomorrow.

If he was town he would try and handle it differently.

[Vecna]

I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something.

You have the choice to lynch the obv choice or the obv scum.

Yes I casted doubt. Because you need to doubt the obvious scum.

Scum casts doubt without you knowing it. I do it blatantly and right in your face.

Because I know what has to happen. And im convinced about it.

You're so tough look at you.

WITNESS ME

[Vecna]

If I do end up getting lynched, tomorrow you will look for the people that will blame my mislynch on me and that go "its his own fault for doing something so incredibly scummy, he brought it on himself, blabla"

And you will not make excuses but lynch ABR.

Were not lynching me though. Were lynching this scum-lord and hard-confirming me as town.

Im off to bed now.

Do the smart thing.

[Vecna]

I literally don't even have anywhere to vent except mafia scum dot net

Casino took you I presume?

[Vecna]

Replace out

Requesting the gm to ignore this untill the slot is sobered up

[Vecna]

My son had an orchestra concert and we went out to dinner after -- and I fell asleep at the computer after getting home. 8 hours and ~15-20 pages later...

New thing to research -- what was the VC when Vecna went nuts? Was there an apparently unstoppable wagon build in progress that disagreed with what Vecna had been pushing before that point? That would be the only possible scum motivation, and a heck of a gamble if scum. I can see town doing it for a very good reason, which I won't go into yet...

My ABR townread is rescinded. What initially looked like righteous indignation at a vendetta now reeks of trying to shake loose of being caught for the wrong reason. The timing (just as a L-1 was reached and a town replacement appeared) and trajectory (saying practically nothing of value before that) does not look town at all.

I continue to think Creature could be scum trying to act town, but it might just be a playstyle thing. I'm willing to listen to townreads for now.
UNVOTE:

pedit: sleep it off please. I don't mean that to be preachy or anything, just worried that clouded mind -> actions you'll regret later.

The wagon was heading towards Beeboy. Ive indicated willingness to vote this slot (and I shall if ABR fails) - BUT I feel we have a way way stronger likelyhood of getting scum by lynching ABR.

I know people dont like to be forced to vote a certain way, or be forced to think about a certain issue - But I fell it had to happen.

And anyone that thinks im scum for it; riddle me this (especially MariaR and Gerry) - Would I ever out myself as scum just to save a teammate? Would I ever put my ass on the line as scum for anyone? Or is my ego too big and do I think if anyone's going to win it for a scumteam it would be scumvecna? Or would I rather happily bus them instead to further my own goals?

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ABR has been lurking with only random comments untill last night. UNTILL TITUS KEPT CALLING OUT THAT SHE WANTS ABR LYNCHED.

Then within a short timeframe:
- the slot pretends to want to be replaced
-starts attacking Titus (which I know from personal experience is the easiest way to turn off her rational side and start a pissing contest that is BAD for town)
-starts appealing to everyone in Titus' townblock and influence their vote
-Notices people are getting suspicion so wants to push for Beeboy.
-After I throw down the gauntless, he uses FROGGER's assumption that im scum to agree to a bandwagon - directly trying to divert blame to frogger because he knows ill flip town
-Lies about me not being his townread just before
-Doesnt think about any town-sided reasoning for what im doing, but just claims to sheep Frogger
-Then realizes even if he wins the 1v1 with me, he'll die tomorrow
-Switches back to Beeboy

This is manipulative. There is ZERO townreasoning I can think of for any of this (if im wrong, please -do- enlighten me.

Maybe I shouldve approached this in a different way, but ive noticed several times before in the posting frenzy that 50% of the posts get ignored. Ive literally asked 15-20 questions last night that went unanswered. This was the way to bring attention to my issue.

Math, I directly appeal to you as well. You know that the best way to derail Titus is by personal attacks and by discrediting her work/reads/results. She just goes off on you, and all town will be "silly TvT battle". Ive done it before, its super effective as scum.

ABR - NEEDS - ROPE

[Vecna]

I keep trying to find common ground but it seems nobody is willing to work together which is the hallmark of a failed town.

You may scumread me due to how I handled things, but if you want me to stop this and vote Beeboy I will. But you have to promise me to strongly look into ABR if Beeboy does flip town tomorrow, and read into my reasoning.

I did this to remove the interfering influence from town. You may not see it, but I know I would handle this situation the exact same way as ABR has been doing if I was scum. Im sorry if I made things worse, but people needed to be made aware.

[Vecna]

ABR or beeboy need rope

Caesar's literally asking for rope

davesaz also needs rope

Id be very surprised if Davesaz is scum here

[Vecna]

I think....you know that I have

[Vecna]

i can only speak for myself, but:

Beeboy is the concensus vote that helps sort people and intentions. Its a decent information vote. Im not as convinced its scum as others but it does further town goals and create coherance. It lets us know whether we can trust spiffeh's instincts. Also a scum flip would resolve this ABR situation since it likely means I was dead-wrong.

Id still strongly prefer an ABR vote since im very convinced he's scum. Ill go for beeboy as a backup option, but would be a lot less happy to do so.

At least if Beeboy flips town, people will be on my side tomorrow to lynch ABR.

[Vecna]

Lynch Vote 1.45

beeboy (7):

ssbm_Kyouko

,

PeregrineV

,

Spiffeh

,

Elbirn

,

Sondam

,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Yuri

Albert B. Rampage (4):

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna

,

Creature

,

The DEO

Yuri (3):

beeboy

,

Nero Cain

,

Leonshade

Vecna (2):

Caesar Wills It, NoticeMeSenpai

Creature (1):

Maxous

Sondam (1):

Drixx

Not Voting (3):

Akane and Nebby, davesaz, Fro99er

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

ssbm_Kyouko has been prodded.

[Vecna]

4040

Vecna is trying to get me to talk about how to sabotage you. What he has demonstrated is patently false. Disagreeing with her does bring out emotions and I am aware of that. However If those emotions are right you have fucked yourself into a loop of disaster.

What Vecna really wants is for me to talk about how to manipulate you by posting something so blatantly false. If manipulating you with that was so easy he would have done it in PyP. He didn't and you had almost the entire scum team. I won't tell him how to manipulate you because that isn't the answer. He posts this to get me to continue to scumread ABR (oh which he is the lighter of my reads).

However if he was really appealing to my Town nature he would have to understand that based on his own argument that would put me and you at odds because of you and I disagreeing on reads.

Vecna is literally begging for information on how to destroy you. Please help me lynch this scum tomorrow after ABR today. I would prefer Vecna but I am trying to compromise with you on ABR please Titus.

~~Math

Math.....I did manipulate her with it in PYP. After she got the entire scumteam correct. The result was noone believed her, and town even vigged her. It was the only way to survive that game as scum, and it is the reason we won that game.

[Vecna]

Games are much more fun for everyone with me at the helm. I choose not to push my agenda this game, look where it's gotten us. We have Fro99er losing his mind and crumbling under the weight of responsibility.

Frogger was never the one in charge. He lead the Yuri BW.

You sabotaged the one taking leadership responsibility.

[Vecna]

Vecna is literally begging for information on how to destroy you. Please help me lynch this scum tomorrow after ABR today. I would prefer Vecna but I am trying to compromise with you on ABR please Titus.

Math, Ive been trying to work with Titus all game. I have no intention to do anything youre suggesting here. We were making progress, please try and look at this from the other side of the coin.

Do you really think im now bussing ABR?

[Vecna]

Like I refuse to believe that there isn't at least 3 or 4 scum within the people actively pushing me.

Eeeew

[Vecna]

Everyone of your arguments has to do with her falling asleep, that is legit your only argument, LUV

~Gerry

Gerry darling, let go of LUV for a little bit and help me lynch ABR please.

Maria, Ill never touch your mango juice again if you vote ABRr.

[Vecna]

Cause Spiffeh is being too stubborn this game, it feels faked even for him.
ABR doesn't play this shit ever.
Yuri and A&N I already explained.

Yeah we're lynching this

Literally lol @ me being too stubborn. You've seen me as town. The fact that you characterize "too stubborn" as a scumtell with me proves your read isn't genuine and you're just trying to discredit my read on you.

ABR ALWAYS plays this shit. This looks exactly like his town game from my experience. Can you explain what's different?

FWIW I've never seen you this stubborn as town eithwr

I just viewed your ISO from MAFIACEPTION and flower viewing festival

Not stubborn and you didn't tunnel like this

You are discredited. You can't be trusted with responsibility. You can't be trusted to make good decisions on behalf of a group. You can't protect your genuine supporters. You can't punish those who are trying to kill you. You don't do anything.

He didnt make a decision, stop pretending he did.

Me and Titus made this decision. Eat rope.

[Vecna]

Not that many of them had much of it to begin with

If you had actually answered any of my questions that I fired at you yesterday, and repeated about 6 times, Beeboy wouldve allready been hammered.

[Vecna]

ribbit ribbit

[Vecna]

Im actually waiting for noticemeSenpai to come in here and do something.

[Vecna]

Mathblade you can't actually still think I'm scum lmao

I do.

~~Math

Im starting to get around to this way of thinking

ABR + Spiffeh seems possible.

Spiffeh didnt care about lynching beeboy at all. I wanted to trade him my vote for asnwers to questions - he ignored at least 6 of them.

ABR slippin the noose is a joke.

Jaereed is still scum as well.

[Vecna]

Cultural seems like itll be very usefull for scum come lategame. Not sure if theres a lot of town benefit.

Natural seems like it might make some people try to build wonders that arent even there anymore.

Wish there was an option for both.

The two seperately both seem bad.

[Vecna]

That Beeboy lynch why??

I kinda feel like there's a ton of scum in the loud posters that artificially dragged the day to create town apathy.

Nah, there's a ton of scum in the lurkers. Town posting was ego. We almost settled things when ABR wrecked it.

We are probably looking at something like Caesar/ABR/Elbrin/Perv/SSM/Sodham/Nero/Spiffeh but Math disagress

I approve of these reads.

Why no Jaereed though?

[Vecna]

Spiffeh didnt care about lynching beeboy at all. I wanted to trade him my vote for asnwers to questions - he ignored at least 6 of them.

Yeah the fact that I allowed literally no other lynch go through and wouldn't compromise on anyone really indicates that I "didn't care about lynching beeboy at all".

Wtf does that even mean?

Also I missed your questions, noticed you complaining about it, and didn't care enough to go find them and answer them. If you'd like to quote them now go ahead.

I literally quoted you them in your face, only for them to be repeatedly ignored. Theyre of littler relevance now after the fact

it has been noted. As has been your attempts at discrediting my reads, more strongly and strongly along during the day.

Not gonna come for you yet, but any scumflips amongst those counter-wagons is gonna look very suspiciously.

[Vecna]

VOTE: None

Culture; more advantage to scum

The other thing; might result in people maybe trying to build allready constructed wonders in the dark.

Don see any town benefit in either.

[Vecna]

The likelihood that a wonder from a previous age wasn't built is low, so Natural isn't likely to be that useful anyway. Slight scum advantage since they have a bit more info as to what was built.

I went and looked and I see no indication that scum have more info as to what was built. Care to point me to what I overlooked?

VOTE: Natural

---

I did NOT succesfully build the Pyramids. Someone else snatched it. I'll just wait for an explanation.

Shocker.

[Vecna]

So Drixx, did you look into how scummy Vecna was during the night?

Tell me why this is.

Ive been scummy for wanting you lynched? Because before you were "not scumreading me at all"

[Vecna]

So Drixx, did you look into how scummy Vecna was during the night?

Tell me why this is.

Ive been scummy for wanting you lynched? Because before you were "not scumreading me at all"

Yes, you're whole turnaround with Beeboy was scummy as fuck. Frogger saw it and I saw it. Probably why you killed him. May have strongmanned killed him.

Funny how that suspicion went away after I explained it to him.

[Vecna]

@mod: replace out. I will totally trash your game otherwise. Some people apparently believe I'm obligated to stay chained to my desk and read their worthless drivel at a clip of nearly 1,000 posts a day, even when I'm playing a LYLO at the end of a 13k post game and they

can go look

and see that I was sacrificing sleep as it was.

Sorry to the folks on the playlist that I was looking forward to playing with. Catch ya'll in another time and place.

Congrats to the assclowns for getting me to replace out for 2nd time ever.

People just state that they rather would have another treestump.

Is that so weird given that the pace is the pace? A treestump thats going to keep up is more usefull than a treestump that wont.

[Vecna]

So Drixx, did you look into how scummy Vecna was during the night?

Tell me why this is.

Ive been scummy for wanting you lynched? Because before you were "not scumreading me at all"

Yes, you're whole turnaround with Beeboy was scummy as fuck. Frogger saw it and I saw it. Probably why you killed him. May have strongmanned killed him.

Funny how that suspicion went away after I explained it to him.

He had his flaws.

Not being so easy to manipulate doesnt sound like a flaw to me.

[Vecna]

Why should I townread you after barely touching Yuri, hopping onto Beeboy as soon as he posted and then not mentioning Yuri today?

I'm not telling you to town read me for these things, I'm telling you to stop playing the game assuming you've guessed the scum team and analyzing behavior from that perspective. I thought you were reasonable enough to realize why this is stupid but I guess you aren't.

I still stand by the fact that Yuri's reaction when it looked inevitable that they would be lynched was extremely town.

This most people agreed on.

Lets not play the defensive game at any rate. Lets look to find actual scum today.

Whats your thoughts on ABR in all this?

[Vecna]

Spiffeh didnt care about lynching beeboy at all. I wanted to trade him my vote for asnwers to questions - he ignored at least 6 of them.

Yeah the fact that I allowed literally no other lynch go through and wouldn't compromise on anyone really indicates that I "didn't care about lynching beeboy at all".

Wtf does that even mean?

Also I missed your questions, noticed you complaining about it, and didn't care enough to go find them and answer them. If you'd like to quote them now go ahead.

Vecna please address this

It meant that you couldve bought my vote rather easily, and you did not.

as i stated before, I no longer care about the asnwers now since they wont be a proper reflection anymore of your thought process at that moment.

More questions will come. please be slightly more receptive then.

[Vecna]

Whatever, I'll let DEO figure the game out and lead the lynch because surely they know best. I'll lynch Ceasar if you really want him that bad. If not, top of my list is Vecna and Arkane Nebby who I'm

convinced

are two guaranteed scum.

Well youre wrong about at least 50% of those.

But then again, this is just posturing regardless.

Should I read into this that nebby is your partner?

[Vecna]

It meant that you couldve bought my vote rather easily, and you did not.

This still doesn't make sense to me. What could I have done that I wasn't doing? Why does the fact that I didn't "buy" your vote make you scum read me?

When I quoted you my questions repeatedly I told you I would never vote Beeboy untill you answered my questions.

[Vecna]

Anyways, lets drop the topic. Its done. Its not enough for me to scumread you on.

youe no longer a die-hard townread of mine, but itll have to wait untill much later since theres way more scummy shit floating in my pond.

[Vecna]

Why the fuck would town agree to give it to Drixx of all people? He was inactive and didn't do anything
~Maria

Did you build it?

Do

NOT

do

THIS.

[Vecna]

Why the fuck would town agree to give it to Drixx of all people? He was inactive and didn't do anything
~Maria

Did you build it?

Do

NOT

do

THIS.

I want to know who fucked with my obvtown read. Was it you?

There is no reason for you to want to know anything.

Noone should ask/answer ANY questions whatsoever regarding wonder picks.

That is the number one common sense rule in this game.

[Vecna]

I'm pretty sure if someone drafted doctor, frogger was the obvious choice. So strongman makes sense. There's no "post flavor when you're scum" playbook. I just like to post flavor. It's not like I'm confirmed scum when I write flavor. This is bad meta that you then projected on a random person. But his lack of content does disturb me, especially since Aeronaut is supposedly one of the heads.

Didn't you indicate earlier that you understood why Fro99er wasn't protected?

What changed?

Frogger should have been protected. There's no one in this game worth protecting other than him. It's ridiculous the scum had the balls to kill him with a public doctor you can draft. So my working theory is scum drafted doctor so they knew they were safe to go through with it.

Very possible, and not too dumb with all these self-redirecting bomb-roles.

[Vecna]

I think ABR v Vecna is SVS.

I don't want to lynch Vecna

Well Mathblade does so I can work with her to lynch Vecna.

You touch Vecna, I lynch you k? I am trying to meet you half way but nope. Not lynching my number 1 townread that's posting.

I'm coming after Vecna and Akane+Nebby. I'm gonna draft vig tonight and kill him if he's not lynched today. So you can ask Mathblade to talk some sense into you or get out of my way.

translation; he wants a credible scenario where I die tonight and people dont auto-lynch him tomorrow when I flip town.

[Vecna]

Alright let's both draft vig and whoever gets it we agree to shoot luv.

Shooting Luv over your 2 scumreads?

Charming people to your side is more important than getting your scumreads killed I guess eh?

[Vecna]

Vecna, vote Natural with me and then we can fry ABR.

Care to explain why you think Natural is usefull?

I honestly think its better to protect people that dont understand the mechanics fully from trying to waste priority on getting stuff from a day earlier.

I dont really -mind- natural since its not a big influence, but its not very beneficial either.

Am I missing something?

[Vecna]

Vecna has no inherent read on the game, he just wagoned the leading bandwagon and backwards rationalized. Even Titus, was like "what are you doing" yesterday. Dude is scum, clear as day.

If you were so sure about this, why didnt you accept the 1v1 yesterday you blithering coward?

You were the one that ran away from a challenge.

Try as hard as you will now, but the one being inconsistent and flailing here is you.

[Vecna]

TBH, we should lynch someone that was hopping between the beeboy, Yuri and whomever else was waggoned yesterday. I think there's a good chance they'd be scum.

*cough* ABR*cough*

Why not look at the VCs and see who qualifies with this theory?

I am going with scum in lurkers and the people who defended them. Yuri v beeboy reminded me a lot of Steven Universe 1.

Fact Check: I refused to vote for Yuri when he was at L-2, and never voted him...

And this mightve very well being you defending a teammate.

People jumping around means nothing for allignment. Stop acting like yuri is confirmed town people.

[Vecna]

I hate many of the proposed lynch options so far.

Vecna is the only one I'd consider that has been mentioned so far.

Without rereading their ISO's to clarify my position (which I hope to do later) right now I'm looking at davesaz, Leon, Caesar for scum

DaveSaz is a good one.

I have no unholy idea why you;d suddenly consider me for the lynch.

Anytime ive been pressuring Jaereed and ABR you've been on my case, either for my reads getting worse and worse, and now you'd consider me a possible lynch because ive criticized your play?

Big joke if u ask me, especially if ur actually town.

[Vecna]

Natural is an endgame bonus, to ensure we can grab what we need in endgame. We still build today's wonders.

How do you know we didn't draft everything that could be drafted already? We're better off focusing on drafting the new monuments than looking backwards.

Endgame.

Today, each player should draft new shit. Natural gains utility after massclaim. I said that like 5 times. Read my posts rather than just opposing them for oppositions sake.

Alright, this I can agree on actually.

VOTE: Natural

[Vecna]

Anytime ive been pressuring Jaereed and ABR you've been on my case, either for my reads getting worse and worse, and now you'd consider me a possible lynch because ive criticized your play?

No

Pretty shorrt answer but I think we both know the first part I can easily prove with an iso dive.

Are you saying you didnt think my reads on jaereed/ABR were bad? And were constantly criticising my reads on those slots?

Because it stood out quite a lot to me....so much people with opinions, but mine were the ones u saw the need to criticize.

@Titus & some others, make a memory imprint on what im saying here and dont forget it later on if those slots flip scum.

[Vecna]

3890 to 3902 expresses town!Vecna.

Maybe check it?

Everything ive done this game has screamed town lol.

Its just scum that realize I need to die soon, so they try and discredit me so people wont sheep my reads after I die.

[Vecna]

Are scum like Dinossaurs or Aliens?

Barbarians most likely.

[Vecna]

@Vecna the no was at me considering you as a lynch because you're criticizing me

Because that was stupid

Good, I agree it wouldve been

[Vecna]

This choice is not that interesting to have an opinion about tbh....

These options are not nearly as gamechanging as the day1 vote (well cultural is ofcourse, but that one isnt even up for discussion - its a no brainer and no scum is gonna come out and argue for it).

[Vecna]

The first step would be not going after my two biggest townreads, not ceding an argument you already lost.

Every time I try to make a concession, you make a post like this to make me regret it. Give you an inch and you take a mile. This is why there's no incentive to ever work with you. And furthermore, I'm mysteriously always absent from your "town block" on day 1 in every game.

Dude you were lurking, big surprise that you werent included?

Do you see Drixx in there? Titus was pretty predisposed to include him but he also lurked and got even stiffed on his wonder.

Stop thinking youre some special flower.

[Vecna]

I could do Kyouko.

Or Elbirn

Or NOTICEMESENPAI

Or ABR.

Ceasar feels like a meh lynch, but itd join it as well.


Leon needs proper sorting as well, allthough ive been very in-tune with his reads. Not sure if that should worry me or not.

[Vecna]

Even Yuri shouldnt disappear from thought. He had some good lines under pressure, but nothing that scum cant do

[Vecna]

Pedit thanks

Sorry *blush*

I find it an interesting theory scum took doctor. Do you realize that even if assuming Frogger is obvTown that doesn't make him the NK? If someone's reads are bad they can live longer. Has happened to me when I have derped. Assume Frogger isn't derping? What does that indicate to you?

~~Math

Frogger's reads weren't bad, he caught Vecna. He was simply indecisive because strong personalities were pulling him in different directions and he couldn't handle it. He didn't like having people rely on him for choosing what to do. Who do you think is obvtown....? since you say there are others besides frogger, but I only saw frogger.

He didnt catch anything genious, I made a very obvious and in your face play to get you lynched or die trying. When I explained my reasoning he backed off and even hopped on your bandwagon because he realized I mightve been right.

Town has no reason to keep misconstruing these facts. Youre a lyar. And a manipulator.

[Vecna]

What do you think of him warming up to the possibility of you being scum? One of his posts that made me Town read him was (paraphrasing) ABR did this. If he was obvious Town and assume you are Town and that would make his reads wrong why would scum kill obvTown whose reads were wrong?

His vote for Vecna was because he saw something. His vote for me was mindless appeasement of my detractors to shake things up and see what would happen. He promptly backed off from me and went for Beeboy.

There was nothing prompt about it. And it was under heavy pressure from spiffeh and a bunch of other people that flocked there.

His vote for me was because I scumread you and then hopped on over to beeboy to get him hammered and set you up for rope the day after. That was the only reasoning he voted me. When I explained my reasoning his scumread was instantly gone, and he joined me on YOU.

You know he wouldve come after you again today, hence he had to die. Pretty convenient as well regardless since noone was ever going to lynch him anyway.

[Vecna]

Frogger was also the only player who tried to unite me and DEO. By removing him, they hoped to achieve further chaos and division, in addition to removing a player who was widely townread and trusted. Wherever Frogger voted, people followed, which he remarked upon himself and which unnerved him. He was the one player that could be counted on to lead a united town.

The town was united and fine untill you showed up. Once youre gone it will be reunited again.

[Vecna]

Frogger was also the only player who tried to unite me and DEO. By removing him, they hoped to achieve further chaos and division, in addition to removing a player who was widely townread and trusted. Wherever Frogger voted, people followed, which he remarked upon himself and which unnerved him. He was the one player that could be counted on to lead a united town.

This is patently false.
A&N tried. Sodham tried. Hell practically the entire thread tried but there were some people who wanted me to come out of my post ban and post more.

This is the same doubtcasting I saw and didn't like from LUV it puts us in a state of OMG we are going to fail.
This is day 2. Day 2.

A lot can change. Hell I have led town blocks before. I hate them but I CAN do it if not being told I am dumb and crazy every post.

This also goes against you strongarming the lynch onto Beeboy. You said you could lead this town then. Can you not lead it now? I find this response fishy.
~~Math

Good your seeing it as well.

ABR is trying to push a false narrative about what really happened.

[Vecna]

If ABR and DEO could pretend each other are masons and started to look for scum, that'd be good.

I am not pretending the most toxic player to the obvtown block is a mason. Sorry, especially when his whole shtick is Titus is terrible.

I can and will work around him. Caesar is the best lynch that ABR and I will agree on.

Giving ABR space to wreck things is why shit went south yesterday.

Why attempt to work with, as opposed to removing the toxicity?

you've stated it several times before - he tries to drive a wedge between people, he tries to lie about what happened - we need him dead, and then we can make optimal choices about what needs to happen.

[Vecna]

Mathblade you can't actually still think I'm scum lmao

I do.

~~Math

Im starting to get around to this way of thinking

ABR + Spiffeh seems possible.

Spiffeh didnt care about lynching beeboy at all. I wanted to trade him my vote for asnwers to questions - he ignored at least 6 of them.

ABR slippin the noose is a joke.

Jaereed is still scum as well.

Buddying attempt of Math noted.

Posturing noted.

Good note it.

Also note that im calling you + ABR as a scum-team. After we lynch him today and he flips scum, youre next.

[Vecna]

Both town.~Titus

So basically anyone who is against me is town. All the scum have decided to join my side. Got it.

Who are opposing you?

The scumbags I've caught: Vecnar, LUV, A+N.

And how did you "catch" them?

The only person you've given any reason for scumreading is A+N

Im 100% OMGUS after I 1v1'd you, LUV i dont even know.

[Vecna]

You think I'm scum because I claimed PR on D1 LOL

Yes we caught you slipping Day 1. Credit to frogger may his soul RIP.

This is not actual town thought process.

No scum would ever fake-claim a PR.

Calling this a slip is just forcing fake-ass reads.

[Vecna]

The scumbags I've caught: Vecnar, LUV, A+N.

I have town leans on all of them

Can you explain why you're scum reading them?

Vecnar, because his thoughts made NO SENSE when he moved from Yuri to Beeboy to me and back to Beeboy. The whole thing reeks of scum.

A+N, super shady and opportunistic.

LUV, you can catch him slipping Day 1.

Any town with a real town perspective on this game knows that this is all horse manure.

[Vecna]

Spiffeh iso gives me a town vibe but I'm not very good at reading him so it's really weak.

This also really bothers me from davesaz.

Only because I can't think of any examples off the top of my head where he hasn't been good at reading from me. At the time, there were also some people speaking out against me, so this kinda looked like a way to appease both me and the people pressuring me, as well as give him a reason to vote for me later on.

This could easily be alleviated if davesaz could cite some games that he is visibly bad at reading me.

Davesaz is scum btw, so pay it no never mind.

ABR is actually townreading nearly the entire group that contains likely scum.

The ammount of dissonance from how actual town view the game-state is evidence enough for me to hang him.

[Vecna]

I prefer following my intuition with players than having explanations. I'm more of a go with my gut type of player.

You gave explanations in Shadowrun.

You need to understand that without them you look like scum literally picking anyone to me.
And it is 3x harder to sort you.

~~Math

I was scum in Shadowrun. I explain when I'm scum so I look like town. As town, I don't explain.

You were Town I was scum.

Are you trying to piss me off? You lost the game by vigging KC.

Wtf Sis can we please lynch this?

TThis is the third time he has outright lied.

~~Math

The count is way above 3.

[Vecna]

I also find it odd that Caesar wouldn't stop posting in that style if they were town.

They know it makes them hard to read and several players have asked them to post normally yet they refuse to stop.

Town should have nothing to hide and shouldn't want to be ignored because of their posting style yet Caesar does it anyway?

They even realize they're being ignored here:

It has become apparent that our decree regarding the heathen Vecna has gone unheeded. This is unacceptable. We anticipated that the slower of you might not comprehend the sophistication of Our Pronouncement, but this outright defiance will not be borne. We direct you, our good Senators, to the divisiveness of the criminal Vecna's words, and his attempts to sway this righteous assembly to his malign will. We find these actions most heinous, as well as the manner in which he attacks those who oppose him in general, while attempting to procure the good will of those who suspect him specifically. We have determined that this self-centered attitude does not work to the prosperity of the cities of Rome. Your Emperor again commands all loyal Senators to consider the foul vermin Vecna in this new light, and castigate him with your vote of condemnation.

So why not cut the act to make sure people take you seriously?

Honestly, just let him do his gimmick. Its not like he's magically gonna post more/better if it isnt in the colourfull wording (I hope).

Besides its entertaining, and unlike some other possible gimmicks this one isnt a distraction or one where he doesnt out his reads.

[Vecna]

No.
What you are doing is you are saying "Hey, my confbias will be yelling IMPACTFUL WORDS at you and hopefully you get lynched because of it."
I honestly think you're not even pushing a read anymore tbh.
-Nebby

And this is the moment you start omgusing.

You need to stop doing this shit. I can't protect you in every fucking game, and once I die or it hits lylo people just lynch you anyway. At some point you need to start helping yourself. Please stop making my life harder. I can't protect you and hunt scum and try to convince others that I'm right all at the same time.

Take a step back, look at the push as a whole, and tell me whether you think it is at all plausible that your play could have caused people to genuinely believe that you're so close to confirmed scum that they might as well just look for your buddies.

Good post, scumread lessening a bit.

[Vecna]

Spoiler:

Rejoice, citizens!

We, your Emperor, are managing to keep abreast of developments within the Senate much better in this session than in the first. We care not whether this is due to the absence of certain obnoxious and vociferous Senators, a decrease in general prattle, or simply greater interest on Our part, but Glorious Rome has a dedicated ruler once more.

We of course have much to say, but We first dedicate this missive to disabusing stirrings of disloyalty to Our Person.

We hold thee in utter contempt, and dismiss your concerns with disdain.

We are not your servant, and it is not fit for you to criticize Our habits. We shall endeavor to address the Senate with greater frequency, but if you anticipate Us to make more a hundred speeches before this body within twenty-four hours, as do many Senators, you shall be disappointed. Live with it or be gone.

Finally, we address those whose patience or intellect is apparently not equal to the task of deciphering the quality of Our Speech - tough. We have chosen to address the Senate in this manner

because it amuses Us

. There is no ulterior motive nor attempt to deceive, it pleases us to employ a more sophisticated vocabulary, and that is all. If you lack the mental fortitude to perceive Our meaning, that is your failing, not Ours.

Nos sunt grata sit, non loqui

!

However, in our magnanimity, We hear the plight of Our People, and have decided to retain the services of a translator, a slave recently taken in the barbarian provinces of the Far North, whose speech is sufficiently akin to the grunts and brayings that our detractors employ that We hope their diminished wits may understand.

Expect a more topical speech from your Glorious Caesar forthwith.

Augustus Caesar

Spoiler: Grunts and Brayings

Alright you sons of whores, because the Boss Man thinks you're too dumb to understand, he's got me interpreting now.

Good for you.

Caesar doesn't work for you. He speaks the way he does because HE WANTS TO. FUCKING DEAL WITH IT. This gimmick is the most fun he's had writing posts EVER. He's not giving it up, and he doesn't think it's a problem. Adapt.

Further, 173 pages in five and a half days or whatever is Fucking Horseshit. How fucking DARE you have a problem with people who can't keep up with that. He's mostly caught up now, having lost sleep trying to vainly skim the piles of manure you fuckwits produced D1, and is entirely current now.

Finally, he will be having me post TL;DL summaries down below here from time to time (NOT ALWAYS, I DON'T WANT TO WRITE EVERY POST TWICE). This is because some of you shitheads aren't actually listening to what he has to say, just because you don't like the gimmick. Grow up. It's a game, we're in it to have fun. This is what's fun for me. Be grateful it's not in Latin (that's the rough translation of "

Nos sunt grata sit, non loqui

.")

Like I said, I'm caught up now, and you can expect full participation. Not the gross overproduction that some people are doing, but a reasonable, well-reasoned couple of posts a day. You know, a sane amount. I'm in this for QUALITY, not QUANTITY.

Anticipate a content-filled post about my reads in a few hours. Maybe morning.It's Valentine's Day, and I'm going to go fuck my wife. You know. Because I have a life.

Bravo, I actually agree - policy lynching this slot just for the gimmicks is nonsensical.

[Vecna]

None (11): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Sondam, Spiffeh, Albert B. Rampage, Elbirn, Leonshade, Akane and Nebby, Maxous, beeboy, The DEO
beeboy (11): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri

Cross compare who is on both wagons:
Spiffeh, ABR, Elbrin, Leonshade, A&N

Cross comparing two wagons of lynches generally nets half the scumteam in comparisons.

....Spiffeh and ABR.

Spiffeh just shoots to the top of my scumreads beyond Vecna...OMG Math scumreads someone more than Vecna someone call the bullshit police. Math is ACTUALLY changing a lynch priority/reads.

It also means if ABR is not scum I want to lynch Elbrin pretty damn hard.

Bravo

[Vecna]

Thank you for demonstrating how useless VCA is

Sorry, I don't even endorse a VCA this early but I'm letting Math do their thing.

~Titus

It's cool it's showing everyone else how full of shit they are and terminating any iota of credibility they had remaining.

I do endorse the outcome though

[Vecna]

Spoiler: posts creature said to look at

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

Titus, the foundation is in place. Now hammer Beeboy to see what theyre made off

VOTE: Beeboy

LET THE DIE BE CAST

COOKIE MONSTER WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT

ALISAE FUCKING READ THIS HE SAYS ABR IS PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE THEN VOTES WITH ABR SECONDS LATER. COME ON

Sup frogger, you dont realize either it gives us scum, or discredits him enough for people to see the light?

youre not really this dense right?

Scum!vecna being townread by nearly everyone putting himself on the chopping block to get one town lynched? Dont make me laugh.

Scum!Vecna being townread by Titus knows he's never getting lynched, especially so as he and Titus seem in agreement that everyone who scumreads him is basically either scum or a policy lynch.

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

Titus, the foundation is in place. Now hammer Beeboy to see what theyre made off

VOTE: Beeboy

LET THE DIE BE CAST

COOKIE MONSTER WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT

Titus.
Look at this with a clear mind.
And ask yourself "Is Vecna's behavoir here townish? Is it towny to plant this kind of paranoia and foundation in the town? Is it towny to vote with someone you just voted and scumread?"
-Nebby

Nebby, I want to end the day either on Beeboy or ABR. ABR is my scumread, Beeboy will either flip scum or give me what I want tomorrow.

Why would I 1v1 ABR here as scum? While im in absolutely no danger of getting lynched whatsoever.

Im doing it because im convinced he's scum and a detriment to town.

We were all getting along. Untill he stopped lurking and started attacking titus, and rummaging around.

All of a sudden frog is hopping around, youre hopping around, all coherence is gone.

Lynch me if you must, but you WILL lynch ABR tomorrow.

He would 1v1 ABR as scum because he knows he'll win with the combination of buddies to back him and Titus hard tring him. He's overjustifying it here too, by framing ABR as a detriment to town he's setting himself up for any backlash from an ABR!townflip with "oh but he was anti-town because he pushed on Titus and caused the townblock to fall apart". If the bloc was solid to begin with then that wouldn't have happened. That wasn't a townbloc, that was a bloc with scum firmly rooted in it.

Came off as Vecna defending LUV to me.
-Nebby

Youre right. Im defending the obvious town player because some people are too dense to see it.

Now im 1v1'ing ARB because people are too dense to see it.

Take your pick.

Whiteknighting.

I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something.

You have the choice to lynch the obv choice or the obv scum.

Yes I casted doubt. Because you need to doubt the obvious scum.

Scum casts doubt without you knowing it. I do it blatantly and right in your face.

Because I know what has to happen. And im convinced about it.

Grandstanding with the "I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something."

Scum casting doubt is how you catch scum. This is also disingenuous because he was one of the ones scumreading Sondam for doubtcasting.

I think some people are overreacting to the way how I tried to push them to vote my way. 2 votes were allready on me from before, and maria was scumreading me before.

ABR on my wagon is the obvious scum.

Ceasar could be scum, but we dont have enough information.

Im a bit sad that the Alisae hydra and Froggeh are voting me. I thought they would see what I am doing, and realize it cannot possibly be scum motivated (misguided town at the worst). Im trying to defend our townblock and get the interfearing scum lynched.

Titus is right.

Anyone doubting just needs to go thrrough ABR's iso.

He went from hard-lurking, to attacking titus, to pretending to want to get replaced, to suddenly being hyper-active and trying to strongarm people into a certain lynch.

His response to my action was the most telling. He knew he had nowhere to go as soon as I did such a crazy move that made sure there was no way back for me.

his only course of action now is to try and win the 1v1 and try and bullshit his way out of this situation tomorrow.

If he was town he would try and handle it differently.

Spends half the post on AtE, buddies Titus HARD. Throws shade at someone wanting to be replaced and calls it pretend.

The whole fucking assumption of how one should act when pushing their scumread is gross here too. "If he was town he would try and handle it differently." I don't believe that Vecna actually believes this, and I think that if he truly thought that meant anything there wouldn't have been a need for half this post to be AtE.

I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something.

You have the choice to lynch the obv choice or the obv scum.

Yes I casted doubt. Because you need to doubt the obvious scum.

Scum casts doubt without you knowing it. I do it blatantly and right in your face.

Because I know what has to happen. And im convinced about it.

You're so tough look at you.

WITNESS ME

If I do end up getting lynched, tomorrow you will look for the people that will blame my mislynch on me and that go "its his own fault for doing something so incredibly scummy, he brought it on himself, blabla"

And you will not make excuses but lynch ABR.

Were not lynching me though. Were lynching this scum-lord and hard-confirming me as town.

Im off to bed now.

Do the smart thing.

Proof that he was 100% confident he wasn't getting lynched because he's been up Titus' ass all game.

I still don't see what you see, buddy. I see confident scum that was certain he'd never get lynched over ABR and could bullshit his way out of it, and laid the foundation to do so.

VOTE: Vecna

Youre right about 1 thing: im very confident as scum.

You can ask anyone in this game that I trust in my own abilities to endgame anyone.

What do you think wouldve happened to me if people sheeped me and lynched ABR, and he wouldve townflipped?

Or do you think I was bussing?

---------------------------

At any rate, Im resetting my read on you because Im beginning to suspect I was potentially wrong. Id suggest you do the same (since your wrong as well), but Im assuming it probably wont happen.

[Vecna]

VOTE: Vecnar

Sees someone mention + vote me....

[Vecna]

Just guide me to scum this time.

In the middle of my catchup, but giving fair warning -- blatant coasting like this will only earn you an incompetence read for a little while -- after that it's screaming scum.

What the fuck? What world are we living in if -davesaz- is attacking people for coasting?

Either way, im having a solid scumread on the davesaz slot for his playstyle this game. It might be unreasonable, but someone reminded me of it earlier and its a solid reason to be highly suspicious.

[Vecna]

You think I'm scum because I claimed PR on D1 LOL

Yes we caught you slipping Day 1. Credit to frogger may his soul RIP.

This is not actual town thought process.

No scum would ever fake-claim a PR.

Taken out of context you are ofcourse correct.

However, were playing in the context where LUV has just gone through a resolution phase that made it abundantly clear that everyone is a VT.

People actually thinking he was being serious about it and taking it as a scumslip is just beyond rediculous.

[Vecna]

PoE lynchpool for today:

The darker the red, the higher the priority/desire for a lynch is:

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)

Nero Cain
Yuri

The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)

Leonshade

Elbirn

Creature

Brian Skies who replaced Drixx

Caesar Wills It (Aeronaut & Pine) who replaced Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine)

Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko*

davesaz who replaced ooba*

Maxous

PeregrineV*

Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)

NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)

Albert B. Rampage*

Spiffeh

[Vecna]

Hmmm those colours didnt quite come out the way they looked on the coloured palet.

ABR is my top priority lynch. Followed by Davesaz and Elbirn.

And then followed by Kyouko/Ceasar at a bit of a distance.

VOTE: Albert B Rampage

[Vecna]

@everyone.......Lynching Ceasar today is a very poor information lynch since everyone can easily just flock to the wagon, and theyll have easy justification for it if it does flip town.

Im not gonna oppose the wagon directly, but I want people to provide reasons for their vote that go beyond "lol gimmick" because they chose a ceasar related name before role PM's went out.

[Vecna]

And ofcourse id prefer it even more if you just sheep the far superior ABR wagon.

[Vecna]

So I just read Pine's ISO and he's clearly town.
I have no idea what people are yapping about there.

Do explain, I don't see it.

@Vecna:

Is everyone crossed out townreads? Or just people you're not interested in lynching.

A mixture of both, but mostly townreads of varying degree.

[Vecna]

To his majesty, Augustur Ceasar,

We, the plebians, would like to inquire about the whereabouts of your uncle, dear Julius Ceasar, conqueror of the gaelic and northern tribes, liberator of Rome, and-so-forth and-so-forth.

We are growing worried his long time spent in those far reaches of our empire might have made him empathetic to the very beasts he was fighting, their barbaric ways. Please ease our conscience that he has not fallen in with their lot. A public appearance would be somewhat the masses have longed for for considerable time.

[Vecna]

To be clear, we are Stonehenge. We drafted it to work with Drixx.

.....WHY WOULD U EVER OUT THIS

This is basicly a scum-claim, or a really really dumbshit thing to do.

You just completely invalidated your wonder and made it totally useless.

[Vecna]

Math is letting me claim. She doesn't quite get this. We have a plan. We die tonight unless scum have a doctor. Every vig shot option presented one of us townreads and we cannot get the vig to shoot ABR (and I am not sure he's scum rather than just Anti-Titus).

Our hydra has zero chance of reconciling with ABR playing Math's emotions like he is. I am sure Math has another reason for this, but it's irrelevant. We die in order to leave the rest of you in a better state for solving the game.

If a town was getting vigged anyway, might as well clear up some issues regarding the gamestate and remove a conflicting voice. We have our target in mind and are not taking submissions.

Now, normally I would take submissions, but the town is too fractured to expect a scum bus. The possibility of a flip beyond their control may fracture the scumteam.

Caesar or ABR. Git her done.

~Titus

Oh god, really this was your plan? To waste 2 wonders....for a result thatll be killed off the next night?

Guess we better have that pyramids claim then but......fucking hell.

[Vecna]

ABR, you want to do the honors and shoot me?

I don't vig townreads.

Yeah, you've lynched me before. You don't want this gamestate resolved. Just vig us.

I am literally asking you to silence us. All you have to do is do it. You think I am antitown and suck anyway, so what's your problem? Want a punching bag?

I told you what I want. Your slot is obvtown and Mathblade is a good player. Not only good but influential and can bring together a coallition. You don't have that ability because you're too volatile and stubborn.

The only reason your saying this, is because math scumreads the person that wants you dead.

The only reason you refuse to vig the slot is because you know it doesnt further scum wincondition.

Now that the cat is out of the bag the pyramids claim, we vig titus, and titus confirms the pyramids.

Fucking waste, but its the best course of action that is left now.

Ofcourse youre not getting the wonder anyway since we'll be lynching your ass.

[Vecna]

We confirm the pyramids as was the very initial plan, and if we have faith in their reads/competence to solve a game like this we rally behind the person.

Anyone against this plan?

If so, reasons.

They better be damn good

[Vecna]

Pedit: there is more than one way to deal with toxicity between a pair of players in a game. If you have to weigh the fun of 1 or 2 people against the fun of 20+, strong action may be required to protect the 20+.

Someone gets it.

I'm thinking more along the lines of a way to remove the toxicity without removing the slot. With or without consent.

I cannot get ABR force replaced or Math removed from hydra.

This is the sole option.

@Vecna, Pyramids should not claim.

WHY NOT?

What good is shooting you if youre just gonna confirm anyone that can be killed the night after?

Itll waste 2 wonders for 1 day of townclear x that will die straight away if scum indeed do have the doctor.

[Vecna]

How about you just stop your weaksauce stuff, and we LYNCH ABR instead of Ceasar.

Really there is plenty of people willing to.

We can deal with your hydra dissonance like NP.

Noone is complaining about it, noone at all - except for 1 person that is feeding into it. And he is easily removed.

[Vecna]

Like, I have no problem whatsoever dealing with Mathblade, even though their scumread on me is wrong. We can still discuss things without problems.

Youre blownig the problem way out of proportions and it probably is mainly annoying for the two of you (and people complaining about the thread moving too fast, but alas - it would do so even without the 2 of you).

[Vecna]

Just sheep me on ABR and tell everyone to do the same thing again.

[Vecna]

I do not have the pyramids. Not going anywhere else with my claim

[Vecna]

No she wouldnt. Vote ABR

[Vecna]

Spiffeh, I think you owe me your vote as well today

[Vecna]

Honestly I'm fine with the plan.
DEO targets ABR with the Stonehenge, someone vigs DEO and that'll honestly solve a lot of problems going on here.

Except his reads are still a complete 180 from (almost) everyone else pretty much

[Vecna]

Treestump will be auto-lynched eventually anyway, so I don't give a shit.
People were told to leave it to Drixx for a reason, obviously somebody didn't.

ABR's alignment is FAR more useful here.
If he is town, I don't want him lynched and let the rest of the spam posters run riot.

Pyramids is scum. Like Titus and Drixx rule this town. The only townie that would take it is Vecna.

ABR needs to be removed at this point. All he is doing is pitting Math and I against each other. Yet, that will never happen with Math being here nearly convincing me ABR is town pushing him for memory lapses and crap.

With those two undermining me, I cannot function. I cannot call out PV, Caesar and SSM coasting.

Yet, I am not entitled to an ABR lynch no more than he is entitled to lynch Vecna.

I asked the thread what they needed. They picked Caesar. Our hydra will not get in sync as long as ABR is alive.

Town needs to unify around someone or lynch a scum voice.

Us dying accomplishes that.

If I thought there was any other way, I would have proposed it to Math but the thread would not policy/scum lynch ABR. They aren't asking Math to leave and yet complaining about the toxic effects of the three of us in the game. ABR will never agree with my read because it is me.

Math actually did vote ABR and isnt against it. Not sure what this argument is about since from what ive been reading both of you want to lynch him.

So lynch him we shall.

[Vecna]

Like, do the asking questions thingy?
-Nebby

When I have questions, I will. I want a wagon (which there is) so the attention will be on Caesar instead of him hiding in the sidelines.

After being fine voting ABR yesterday, untill your last moment hop-off to Beeboy...

Why arent you back on ABR?

If he flips scum, ill be pressuring you next

[Vecna]

You haven't explained it once.

~~Math

Leonshade is asking you too.

Vecna sees Pyramids should claim.
I am guessing A&N sees it from answering the question.

Like I don't see anyone saying why Pyramids shouldn't claim.

~~Math

Im not completely sure on this.

Mafia will want the vig as well. Mafia wont claim it, and mafia wont shoot your slot.

Spiffeh is right that it might not be the best option.....

your slot claiming was just....eeeew

[Vecna]

Sondam you down to lynch Caesar?

Ehhhhhhhh

Let's do it. It will be better for everyone.

Did you guys not get your daychat or something?

[Vecna]

I'm saying a factional ability doesn't change the fact that everyone started off powerless. Unless you're saying being able to kill is a power.

This is correct.

LUV, can you just flip Caesar so we can get on with this? I die. Then, you'll have the credibility to pound ABR tomorrow if he doesn't cooperate. Yes, I know we have to die, but otherwise ABR will just claim I'm a piece of emotional shit all over the place, pages will keep going. I don't want to die and leave someone like ABR alive, but the votes aren't there.

Stop moping around and just vote him. The votes arent there because a bunch of people are protecting him.

People will get around to it sooner or later.

[Vecna]

People willing to vote ABR: LUV, Vecna, DEO, A&N, Leonshade,.....maybe creature/spiffeh?

From there on out its not that hard to get the other few required votes if were persistent.

[Vecna]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

I can work just fine with both heads.

And these types of posts are the reason why youre going to hang.

[Vecna]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

Ok Titus, you are hereby BANNED from interacting with ABN.

Youre going to place a vote on the slot, and then not respond to any of its prods, attacks and insinuations regardling you.

Take it from me that this is for your own good, and the good of town.

Put down the vote, and that will be your boundary of even considering the slot.

Start hunting in other scum for tomorrow.

[Vecna]

Same restriction applies to Math actually.

Ignore the one slot, your vote will be all the contributions we need regarding ABN.

Focus elsewhere, where you can be of use.

Your continuous back and forths help NOONE.

[Vecna]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

Ok Titus, you are hereby BANNED from interacting with ABN.

Youre going to place a vote on the slot, and then not respond to any of its prods, attacks and insinuations regardling you.

Take it from me that this is for your own good, and the good of town.

Put down the vote, and that will be your boundary of even considering the slot.

Start hunting in other scum for tomorrow.

I'm not letting ABR insult me and get away with it. If I shut up, he turns on you. I'll take that any day this week and twice on Sunday to protect decent people.

I think you should be aware by now I can take care of myself just fine.

Now please, do as I request. You can be a bigger person, let the remarks and insuations just slide on over.

As far as youre concerned, they do not exist. Theyre like a comforting fresh breeze. You wouldnt talk to the wind. Now you wont talk to ABR.

[Vecna]

Same restriction applies to Math actually.

Ignore the one slot, your vote will be all the contributions we need regarding ABN.

Focus elsewhere, where you can be of use.

Your continuous back and forths help NOONE.

Which is why we die.

ABR will ALWAYS manipulate Math by subtle digs and innendo. He'll be doing this all game. To expect me not to respond is absurd.

This will fuel the division between me and Math. Math and I cannot reconcile. We have to die.

I wish there was another way, but Math is not about to compromise on their beliefs.

~Titus

I will reconcile it for you by continuously showing Math he is wrong and that I am town. That is all that will have to happen.

Be at peace.

Let it be done.

[Vecna]

I'm not the problem here. The problem is that no matter who's side any of us take between your epic internal hydra battle, it does nothing because the one head will undo everything the other head does.

You are the problem. Math was actually and still is willing to learn why they are viewed as crazy by most of the town. You on the other hand are on a Titus sucks kick that you brought into this game even after violating our agreement of not playing together rather than I don't know PMing me to say hey I want to play a large. You're just taking oppositional stances to me, but you can't do that if I'm in a pine box. Tomorrow, you'll work with all my townreads, lynch scum and then go gee it was all my idea.

I'm ok with that because I want Mafia to be fun, and it won't be with your abusive attitude and me in the same game, and I took every other angle.

Ok Titus, you are hereby BANNED from interacting with ABN.

Youre going to place a vote on the slot, and then not respond to any of its prods, attacks and insinuations regardling you.

Take it from me that this is for your own good, and the good of town.

Put down the vote, and that will be your boundary of even considering the slot.

Start hunting in other scum for tomorrow.

I'm not letting ABR insult me and get away with it. If I shut up, he turns on you. I'll take that any day this week and twice on Sunday to protect decent people.

I think you should be aware by now I can take care of myself just fine.

Now please, do as I request. You can be a bigger person, let the remarks and insuations just slide on over.

As far as youre concerned, they do not exist. Theyre like a comforting fresh breeze. You wouldnt talk to the wind. Now you wont talk to ABR.

Vecna

I really don't know how to work with you here except our vote ABR in italics here.

Like I am not allowed to hunt in Titus's townreads.

I can't vote ABR.

Only options are townreads.

Do you have any ideas?

I want to let you bus/scum lynch ABR.

~~Math

Titus doesnt townread ABR, so youre allowed to lynch ABR.

[Vecna]

You're my strongest townread. One of you tell me where you want me to vote so we can join forces and lynch scum. And tell the other one to suck it up. Stop arguing with me and with each other. The three of us can work together. Respect is earned, but I recognize the need to win this game by stopping this madness.

You stop the madness by not acting like you are a better human being than us and stop saying which one of us you think is a better player. You do this by listening to the obviously town voices in this thread who have been together for days.

You cannot take that though, so we both must die. It's a sad state really.

so go ahead and die. Or get replaced. Or do as Ceasar just did with their Hydra.

This emo bullshit is getting annoying.

From now on, keep this crap to your hydra PT. We do not care. You signed up for this game like this, as a hydra. Be a unified front or dont, but keep spamming the thread with your disagreeances.

Anything beyond this, and im going to read scum motivation into it.

Death, replace, unified front.

PICK, or just be quiet.

[Vecna]

I'm saying a factional ability doesn't change the fact that everyone started off powerless. Unless you're saying being able to kill is a power.

I'm saying that the mod saying"There are no roles inherent to any slots in this game." does not say that factional powers do not currently exist, an example of which was the NK.

So what does that have to do with me fake claiming? Why would scum being able to know what Wonders each Era bring be a factional power?

EBWOP.

Because if it were, then it makes more sense why the whole Science Resolution is even an option. If scum already have the knowledge, the Science thing gives it to town also.

Speculation on this isnt too important Imo.

The mod came in here a few pages ago, basically telling us that all will be revealed in time.

[Vecna]

Yes I think so.

There have been certain things that have stood out to me. Changes in behaviour at times that just seem very very suspicious to me.

Titus scumreads him; Instant activity, trying to be town, trying to push people to lynch in his 3 choices etc etc.

Titus gets replaced; "oh let me go V/LA / inactive for quite a while now"

He attacks me whenever its convenient. He hops onto me as soon as anyone else places a vote on me. He just flies whereever the wind takes him.

I have noone else in this game that comes even close to this ammount of red flags all over the place.

Not saying im 100% convinced, since a lot of people keep stating this isnt out of the ordinary but...I just cannot ignore al that stuff and ahve a good feeling about it. Ill remain suspicious of that slot for the rest of the game, so even if it is town id rather get rid of it to avoid mislynches later on. I feel him being town are pretty low odds though.

[Vecna]

Yes I think so.

There have been certain things that have stood out to me. Changes in behaviour at times that just seem very very suspicious to me.

Titus scumreads him; Instant activity, trying to be town, trying to push people to lynch in his 3 choices etc etc.

Titus gets replaced; "oh let me go V/LA / inactive for quite a while now"

He attacks me whenever its convenient. He hops onto me as soon as anyone else places a vote on me. He just flies whereever the wind takes him.

I have noone else in this game that comes even close to this ammount of red flags all over the place.

Not saying im 100% convinced, since a lot of people keep stating this isnt out of the ordinary but...I just cannot ignore al that stuff and ahve a good feeling about it. Ill remain suspicious of that slot for the rest of the game, so even if it is town id rather get rid of it to avoid mislynches later on. I feel him being town are pretty low odds though.

Scale of 1 being weakest sauce in the world
10 being lynch me if I am wrong revive me and lynch me again

Confidence level on ABR?

8

[Vecna]

I literally no longer give a shit about this game. Its filled with incompetence, and the few people that were compaetent have been driven away either by ABR or by the infighting in a certain hydra.

The town people that still care about this game, you will sheep my read tomorrow and lynch ABR.

If not, enjoy losing because youre all a bunch of clowns that cant think for themselves.

Adios

VOTE: Vecna

[Vecna]

Hint; everyone is taking the path of least resistance. Meek bunch of sheep.

[Vecna]

Scumteam guess: ABR, Nero, Davesaz, + two out of Nancy/Elbirn/Sondam/ssbm

[Vecna]

its not like ABR is the lone scum in this game bro.

With him alive, town has 0 chance of winning.

But hey, bandwagon his only attacker now.

Not like a

SINGLE PERSON

has provided any reasoning why im scum.

Because it doesnt exist.

[Vecna]

Everyone voting me now that doesnt autovote ABR tomorrow and refuse to unvote should be treated as scum.

[Vecna]

):

Good job following the reads of the slot your replacing into

[Vecna]

TR Math, LUV, Caesar, Aslan hydra, Fro99er

5864 is a scumclaim

Yuri likely scum

SR Vecna, ABR, Leonshade, ssbm, Nero

Thinking me and ABR are scum together is completely laughable.

[Vecna]

We are inclined to interpret Senator Nero Cain's actions favorably, as they remind us of other occasions in which the Senator has proven his loyalty to the Empire.

Senator nancy's conduct likewise strikes us as genuine, though we continue to harbor concerns regarding her intent toward Our Person, and the ease with which she seems to rapidly make blanket assessments.

We your Emperor wish to reiterate Our Dictum of the prior session of the Senate, that the criminal known as Vecna has been found wanting in Our Sight, and we therefore denounce and abjure him, and bid Our Loyal Senate to cast him from these hallowed chambers into the deepest dungeon of the Coliseum, there to be devoured by tigers for the amusement of the masses.

We have not yet made a determination regarding Senator Rampage, and fatigue causes Our quill hand to beg Us for respite. We shall go to Our chamber to slumber, and on the morrow shall complete Our broad assessment of the members of this Senate.

VOTE: Vecna

Youre starting to make me regret that I persuaded Titus not to bw your ass and have you buried along with the other false emperors. Re-evaluate your flawed and static thinking.

[Vecna]

Check my iso briefly for messages containing very big letters and very bright colours and you'll realize why its ludicrous.

[Vecna]

it'll be aure nice when Nancy gets around to backing up any of her reads.

Why dont you hold ABR to this standard?

[Vecna]

Anyways I still have 20 pages to read up on.

This bw on me is aids and has to die, even though getting lynched at this point would almost be a sweet relief.

[Vecna]

We are inclined to interpret Senator Nero Cain's actions favorably, as they remind us of other occasions in which the Senator has proven his loyalty to the Empire.

Senator nancy's conduct likewise strikes us as genuine, though we continue to harbor concerns regarding her intent toward Our Person, and the ease with which she seems to rapidly make blanket assessments.

We your Emperor wish to reiterate Our Dictum of the prior session of the Senate, that the criminal known as Vecna has been found wanting in Our Sight, and we therefore denounce and abjure him, and bid Our Loyal Senate to cast him from these hallowed chambers into the deepest dungeon of the Coliseum, there to be devoured by tigers for the amusement of the masses.

We have not yet made a determination regarding Senator Rampage, and fatigue causes Our quill hand to beg Us for respite. We shall go to Our chamber to slumber, and on the morrow shall complete Our broad assessment of the members of this Senate.

VOTE: Vecna

Your Majesty,

I demand to know what crimes I am accused of. I demand a fair trial in which the evidence of these proclaimed crimes is brought forward. So far you have only spouted false accusations, absent merit, evidence or proper reasoning behind them. As our proclaimed leader and defender of the law and the people, I would expect better of you.

Set an example that is worthy of the legacy of your ancestors. Do not continue dragging my good name through the mud without regard for the proper discourse of the law.

Absent this, I will hold you in contempt of everything our good republic stands for, and conspire with my fellow senators to have your vile presence removed from our senate. We will stand for this spreading of falsehoods no longer.

Yours truely,

Vecna, honest servant of the republic

[Vecna]

but I altleast think Vecna and Creature are scum so we share those scum reads.

Why do you scumread me?

Reasons. I want them

[Vecna]

At any rate, ill make this simple.

As long as both me and ABR are alive, ill only vote for me or ABR.

Town can make a choice; either you lynch one of us to resolve this shit, and you lynch the other one the day after if youre wrong, or you can keep me alive untill lylo and then we'll auto-lose if either of us is wrong.

[Vecna]

VOTE: ABR

FLASHWAGON ABR

[Vecna]

Do you feel like talking about your Davesaz read at all? I haven't seen anything from that slot.

Ill have to get back to this point later.

[Vecna]

but I altleast think Vecna and Creature are scum so we share those scum reads.

Why do you scumread me?

Reasons. I want them

[Vecna]

Reasons. I want them

I had a gut scumread on you and then you just laughed it off.

I feel like the only way ABR is scum if its scum with Titus b/c she tried like hell to paint me as an ABR buddy and/or a chain lynch.

Ive provided plenty of material this game for your read to be based on other stuff that isnt gut.

Try again.

[Vecna]

I'm not enthused of following the same block that strong-armed beeboy.

The block that strongarmed beeboy consisted of people that are either abr (up for lynch) or have replaced out.

Try again

[Vecna]

UNVOTE:

I don't even know why I'm voting here

Yeah why were u voting Sondam
Come vote Vecna Elbirn my dude

There's a vecna wagon? Choo Choo bitches

VOTE: Vecna

its not like ABR is the lone scum in this game bro.

With him alive, town has 0 chance of winning.

But hey, bandwagon his only attacker now.

Not like a

SINGLE PERSON

has provided any reasoning why im scum.

Because it doesnt exist.

Hi.

Why were you voting for Yuri day 1 based on some contrived made up bullshit that was tangentially related to notice...instead of just voting notice

Tia

I already explained this three times. Interesting you dont care about it untill i start poimting you out as likely scum though....

I mean, its not like that happened a week ago right? and you havent brought it up untill now for what reason?

[Vecna]

I am a mighty lion.
Hear me rawr.

-Nebby

There's only one lion here.
Gonna check out your Elbrin case later.

Hmm, I like Notice's response to me. I may have just gotten the idea that Jae = scum and confbiased their complaints into scummy when they're probably NAI.

I think i understand what you meant here, and I felt the same way. Which once again shows me we have the same thought process. Good.

(That is, if youre just not simply copying me since everything we think is creepily similair )

[Vecna]

Dave/SSBM/Creature/Elbrin can't get the other one. Rest are hard Town reads.

Good, because these overlap strongly with my scumreads and me and luv are actually town.

Seems we found ourself our comprimised lynchlist after we get rid of abr.

Or to put it in math-terms; just continue to help me bus my team, win-win

[Vecna]

It's a really weird bit of mental gymnastics to justify moving off of one wagon onto another, while still claiming to scumread the first. Couple this with my scumread on notice and a townread on Yuri and the whole thing stinks like scum distancing from a buddy while voting town. Scum 101.

Really? Changing your vote from one scumread to another requires a "weird bit of mental gymnastics"?

Dude that's not the point. No, not even that, it's just wrong.

Here's my understanding of the events:

Vecna was voting for notice for faking a townslip

Yuri had some comment about the townslip, can't recall specifics

Vecna then pushed Yuri's comments as being indicative of a relationship with notice, which made no earthly sense (this is the mental gymnastics part), and then voted for yuri.

Why would you....not just vote for the actual scumread and not someone who is conditional based on that scumread.

And unless I've missed something he's still dead set on notice being scum but he won't vote there.

Because i scumread yuri as well and that wagon had a higher likelyhood of succes, AND would create the opportunity to follow up on notice the day after with extra ammunition.

There really is no need for gymnastics, its rather simple.

[Vecna]

It's a really weird bit of mental gymnastics to justify moving off of one wagon onto another, while still claiming to scumread the first. Couple this with my scumread on notice and a townread on Yuri and the whole thing stinks like scum distancing from a buddy while voting town. Scum 101.

Really? Changing your vote from one scumread to another requires a "weird bit of mental gymnastics"?

Dude that's not the point. No, not even that, it's just wrong.

Here's my understanding of the events:

Vecna was voting for notice for faking a townslip

Yuri had some comment about the townslip, can't recall specifics

Vecna then pushed Yuri's comments as being indicative of a relationship with notice, which made no earthly sense (this is the mental gymnastics part), and then voted for yuri.

Why would you....not just vote for the actual scumread and not someone who is conditional based on that scumread.

And unless I've missed something he's still dead set on notice being scum but he won't vote there.

As for the last part, my scumread has gone. You can check my iso for the posts that resulted in that.

Im as transparent as they get - it just requires actually reading my posts.

[Vecna]

Ive provided plenty of material this game for your read to be based on other stuff that isnt gu

yes you have but that doesn't make my reason that I had a gut scum read on you and then you tried to laugh it off (and I think thats a scummy reaction) any less valid. Also your self vote is just scum

ATE

. Like if you were really concerned with sheep voting and junk you'd be wary as hell of the Cesar and ABR wagons.

The opposition to the abr wagon is rather telling actually.

[Vecna]

I'm not enthused of following the same block that strong-armed beeboy.

The block that strongarmed beeboy consisted of people that are either abr (up for lynch) or have replaced out.

Try again

Washing your hands of the beeboy lynch does not sit well with me.
At all
Gimme a break
VOTE: Vecna

I was voting abr, and pushing everybody to do the same. Both me and deo wanted abr.

I did indicate willingness to compromise if abr wagon would die but mostly to wake people up to abr scum and to keep the townblock intact.

And yes, beboy got strongarmed in the night while i wasnt around. So you using this to vote mr with this bukshit reasoning only strengthens my naughty read on you.

[Vecna]

Good, because these overlap strongly with my scumreads and me and luv are actually town.

What is your townread on LUV based on?

Already explained in great detail. Strong meta observations from my last game where i was scum with luv.

Maxous and math should be fully aware of this as well but are choosing to not see it or ingerpret it completely different for i dont know what reasoning.

[Vecna]

Senator nancy, let it not be said that Caesar neglects His citizens cries for counsel and succor. Ask, and ye shall receive.

We are at present fairly certain of the loyalties of the good Senators Mathblade, Nero Cain, and Creature, though We are frustrated with the stubborn insistence on wrong-headed proposals by the last.

We also have a modicum of respect for the intentions of Senators Senpai, davesaz, Brian Skies, and Maxous, though these perceptions remain under review.

Of late we have grown concerned with the conduct of Senators Leonshade, Sondam, and perhaps the representatives from Akane and Nebby. Our Judgment of these personages shall be inevitable, but fair. Be it said that they are not yet convicted in Our Sight.

We are yet of two minds concerning the villains Yuri and Rampage, convincing cases for both having been presented before the throne. It is Our intention to decide their fate within a day's time, but we are leaning towards conviction of both.

Finally, We have heretofore rendered Judgment against the barbarian Vecna, and it is the responsibility of all good Senators to cast their vote for this criminal's demise.

If presented with respect for Our Station, noble Caesar shall hear petitions for details concerning any of the aforementioned. Those not discussed have made little impression upon Us yet.

You once again ignore my request for evidence as to why im a criminal or barbarian.

You state abr is scum, yet you strongly state people should vote me. You keep hiding behind your gimmick to not provide any reason for your reads.

Let it be known that whether the outcome of today, ceasar needs rope quickly.

He claims things, but acts completely contrarian absent reason. He is either scum with abr, or sitting on the sidelines hoping to line up two lynches.

[Vecna]

hey so re: notice townslip
nebby said pushing a scumslip that isnt a scumslip is a scumtell for him, i remember nebby had pushed a scumslip on notice earlier (this was before nebby said he was doing it for reactions and did not think notice was scum) so i was saying nebby uaing someyhing theyd just done as a scumtell was weird

legit nothing to do with notice, i remembered it bc i was/am still scumreading Nebby, so of fuckin course i remembered what theyd done earlier

and yes i posted aboht that very quickly.bc despite what vecna will have u believe the act of remembering something you were justreminded of doesnt takr that fucking long

now can we stop this game of telephone withthat whole interaction like omg, this is what happened

It had died down long ago, but got dredgedup again as a reason to vote me after i pronounced a scumread on them

[Vecna]

im very tired

like idk maybe nebby isnt scum. i thought his read change on me was to go with thw flow but at least it looks like he's thinking about new ideas as they occur and just kind of spitting them out, instead of defending readings by saying he's had them all game

which is also bunk bc the best way to make me less confident in someone is if theyre dont reevaluate their reads

i still think Uzi is town, that thing he pulled w trying for my main would just get him in deep shit if i did get frustrated enough to reveal it. dont see the point as scum at all

Luv is the most obvious town of anyone in this game. How people can scumread him i truely do not see.

[Vecna]

Yeah I'm happy with this.

VOTE: Vecna

Why?

[Vecna]

Senator nancy, We appreciate your enthusiasm and youthful vigor, but you shall have to trust Our Judgment regarding Senator Cain. We have had many long years of experience with the Senator, and have learned to recognize his moods.

When the Senator is in a disloyal mood, consorting with enemies of the Empire, he tends to skulk and slink in the shadows, entering the Senate chambers only to be counter-productive and divisive. When his interests align with Ours, however, he is proactive and intense, hunting the enemies of the Empire. We observe the latter from him in this matter.

Augustus Caesar

Nonsense, he does the very same thing as scum

Look up deathnote where he played the EXACT same style as he is displaying now as scum.

More suspicion for the ceasar slot.

[Vecna]

MathBlade do you hate townblocs this game? Because from what I can see Town is all over the place and we need to get our act into gear and start hanging scumfucks.

Funny that you should say that because your current vote is doing exactly the opposite.

[Vecna]

Anyways i have adressed maxous reasoning for why he is voting me. I have adressed elbirns reasoning.

None of them have engaged my reasoning. Ceasar had ignored my request to provide reasons for his vote. People continue to vote in silence without backing their shit up.

Nancy provided zero reasoning. Brian skies provided zero reasoning. Ceasar provided zero reasoning. Nero cains reason is because i laughed at his wrong gutread. None of these slots explained why not ABR except nero.

Remember this post the day abr flips scum

[Vecna]

At any rate, no matter how this turns out ...

Math i demand you do proper vca here. Theres a goldmine of information here and still plenty of people on vanity wagons as well.

[Vecna]

You can demand what you want but it is 1:30 am. Tomorrow is devoted to packing and job hunting and if I have time Mafia.

I very likely will not have time to do a VCA of the entire game when the first one took me four hours and got spat on by everyone in the game.

Not only that but I would have to do it twice. For 57 vote counts.

You can demand shit but I am going to bed.
But after being ridiculed and called an idiot I can't really be bothered to have a sleepless night after having trouble the night before.
I can't read you for shit right now.
And Titus just never explained her townread of you no matter how much I asked and considering she was wrong on you and Pyramids.

Quite frankly I don't give a fuck and I don't respond to demands like that. I will do it when I can.

~~Math

I didnt mean now silly. After me and abr have flipped.

I'm gonna flip town. Abr is gonna flip scum. Itd be convenient if you do these lynches in the proper order so scum is forced to nk me, but i guess actually trying as town is seen as scummy these days.

[Vecna]

I'm just annoyed by all these unexplained votes on me. I should be super obvious town by now and im getting voted by a bunch of scum and townies that just flat out refuse to provide any reasoning i can argue

[Vecna]

Also please explain to me why on earth i would force your hydra dissonance to stop as scum?

What possible reason could scum have to bring more order to this game? Answer me that one question please.

Because say what you will, but titus is gone because I demanded it. The one person hard-defending me at every turn.

[Vecna]

Senpai, check out the reason maxous and elbirn used to vote me.

I think that maxous is definately a high likely scum candidate, abd elbirn is just grasping at straws here as well. Thoughts?

[Vecna]

Also please help me put pressure on ceasar for finally outing reasons for his reads. We need those to be able to sort his slot and if hes not going to accomodate he needs to die.

[Vecna]

I'm "compromising" on Vecna because he hard-pushed beeboy as scum and now he's pretending he had nothing to do with it, blaming the mislynch on ABR and Spiffeh.

If only we could check quotes from Day 1 or something

This never happened. Lies. Go on then, prove me wrong with them quotes.

[Vecna]

I'm "compromising" on Vecna because he hard-pushed beeboy as scum and now he's pretending he had nothing to do with it, blaming the mislynch on ABR and Spiffeh.

If only we could check quotes from Day 1 or something

And yes, beeboy being strongarmed over abr WAS due to spiffeh and abr. I never said i hadnt been involved in the wagon at some point, but this is a fact and the mislynch is mainly on those slots. Doesnt mean that spiffeh is scum for it but it did mean scum like abr and others had an out.

That is what im saying. And you scumreading me for pointing this out is the largest load of horseshit.

[Vecna]

I'm not enthused of following the same block that strong-armed beeboy.

The block that strongarmed beeboy consisted of people that are either abr (up for lynch) or have replaced out.

Try again

Washing your hands of the beeboy lynch does not sit well with me.
At all
Gimme a break
VOTE: Vecna

So basically your reason for voting me is because u dont like following the people that strongarmed beeboy.

Yet thats exactly what your doing now by following abr onto me.

Answer me point blank: whose mofe responsible for beeboy mislynch, me or abr and spiffeh?

Exactly, youre proven full of crap. Your reasoning is flawed and youre just looking for excuses to get me lynched over abr while the reasoning provided means you should be voting abr.

So put your money where your mouth is. Scum.

[Vecna]

Senator Senpai, we have explained Our Reasoning in Our initial missive condemning the traitor Vecna. However, We shall grant your request, despite the impertinent manner of your plea.

Vecna, once a Senator, a respected member of this conclave, has used his exalted position to manipulate the destiny of Imperial Rome to his own advantage. We find that, in the first session of the Senate, he attempted to emerge as a leading voice in this body, directing the Senate where he wished. While it is fair to say that others misattribute the final push to condemn the belated Senator Beeboy to Vecna, and that that crime belongs to others, such a final push would not have been possible without ample groundwork being laid by the heathen Vecna. To disavow himself of the sad result is dishonest and utterly unrealistic, an abdication of his responsibility for this tragedy.

Further, we find the apostate Vecna's agenda to be wholly self-serving. He has repeatedly, on occasions too numerous to recount in a cogent fashion, demonstrated concern for himself over the welfare of the Roman people. We regard with disgust his propensity to counter-attack those who criticize him, seemingly without regard for the facts of the case. He has consistently reacted to judicious suspicion of his person with outrage and over-the-top false rage at his detractors.

Finally, we point to his recent antics, in which he flails about and lashes out at anyone in reach to blame his woes upon. He appeals writ large to the emotions of other Senators, attempting to sway them not with logic but with crocodile tears. We find the act of casting a vote against himself contemptible, and his quick removal of said vote cringe-worthy.

We command all loyal Senators to consider Our words and vote in accordance with your duty to Rome and your Emperor.

Augustus Caesar

Spoiler: A translator for the weak of mind

The case against Vecna is very simple. He has been manipulative and self-serving, and has tried to disavow himself of the beeboy wagon that he drove. Yes, he moved on to ABR at the end of the day, but I interpret that to be an attempt to distance himself from an impending mislynch. It remains to be seen whether he was pushing a second mislynch in ABR or soft-bussing. I suspect the latter, supported by the fact that his overenthusiastic rage for ABR at the end of D1 (remember when he declared a gladiator against ABR, and vetoed any votes not for ABR?) has evaporated into a haze of OMGUS against anyone who dares oppose him. Who's the new target? Maxous? Please. And holy AtE, Batman. It's so blatant and consistent that it can't be anything but intentional. Did you see that self-vote?

Scum.

Bah whatever

VOTE: Vecna

7 votes I guess

Youve been townreading me all game and now u just vote me eh? Awesome. Real solid town play. At least u take the effort to pretend ot was a real tough choice.

I'll respond to all these posts when i have internet again that isbt shitty hotel wifi. Read the last 1.5 page or so and will respond to some of those.

Ceasar's reasoning is also after the fact reasoning. Scumread me from his first post on day1, reasoning is all based on the last beeboy wagon and later.

And i never claimed i was never scumreading beeboy. I stated i wanted abr instead of him and have been very vocal aboit this fact. And yes, claiming that everyone that ever scumread a slot is responsible for a mislynch coming way later is just plain dumb. Maxous using the "dont wanna sheep beeboy killers" as an argument to vote me over abr is once again complete hogwash, since abr IS more to blame.

And yes ceasar i did get agitated and self voted. Boohoo, i came back and saw 4 votes on me in quick succession and the 10/10 comment made me think i was about to get lynched or was very close.

But hey, its ok - just get rid of me, ill flip town and tomorrow and the day after you and abr get lynched.

I'm done defending myself against these bulshit attacks.

Ive done far far more protown shit than anyone in this game, but town just cant help shitting on itself.

[Vecna]

No.

We hereby dismiss the preceding question as spurious. Senator Creature's loyalty is not in question here, and the only purpose to such a pointed query is to impugn his motives malignly. Evidence has been presented against the villain Vecna, to which Senator Creature has broadly agreed. This Senate has more than one scoundrel within it, and the Senator may hold more than one view on their identity without reproach.

Senator Leonshade, consider yourself on notice.

Consider yourself on notice. I'm giving town the directive to lynch your ass tomorrow after they see my flip.

If your actually town your lazy misframing of my actions is gonna lose us the game.

Claiming im attacking people with things absent logic, bitch please.

[Vecna]

Hey Max. you were scumreading A+N yesterday but you've been mum on my case on them. Why is that?

Bevause he needs to defend his scum teammate obviously

[Vecna]

If Vecna is town, we go back to Kyouko which seemed promising.

I am town and youre gonna lynch ceasar and abr

[Vecna]

Spoiler: A spam of Vecna quotes

I could do Kyouko.

Or Elbirn

Or NOTICEMESENPAI

Or ABR.

Ceasar feels like a meh lynch, but itd join it as well.


Leon needs proper sorting as well, allthough ive been very in-tune with his reads. Not sure if that should worry me or not.

Mathblade you can't actually still think I'm scum lmao

I do.

~~Math

Im starting to get around to this way of thinking

ABR + Spiffeh seems possible.

Spiffeh didnt care about lynching beeboy at all. I wanted to trade him my vote for asnwers to questions - he ignored at least 6 of them.

ABR slippin the noose is a joke.

Jaereed is still scum as well.

Buddying attempt of Math noted.

Posturing noted.

Good note it.

Also note that im calling you + ABR as a scum-team. After we lynch him today and he flips scum, youre next.

No.
What you are doing is you are saying "Hey, my confbias will be yelling IMPACTFUL WORDS at you and hopefully you get lynched because of it."
I honestly think you're not even pushing a read anymore tbh.
-Nebby

And this is the moment you start omgusing.

You need to stop doing this shit. I can't protect you in every fucking game, and once I die or it hits lylo people just lynch you anyway. At some point you need to start helping yourself. Please stop making my life harder. I can't protect you and hunt scum and try to convince others that I'm right all at the same time.

Take a step back, look at the push as a whole, and tell me whether you think it is at all plausible that your play could have caused people to genuinely believe that you're so close to confirmed scum that they might as well just look for your buddies.

Good post, scumread lessening a bit.

Spoiler: posts creature said to look at

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

Titus, the foundation is in place. Now hammer Beeboy to see what theyre made off

VOTE: Beeboy

LET THE DIE BE CAST

COOKIE MONSTER WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT

ALISAE FUCKING READ THIS HE SAYS ABR IS PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE THEN VOTES WITH ABR SECONDS LATER. COME ON

Sup frogger, you dont realize either it gives us scum, or discredits him enough for people to see the light?

youre not really this dense right?

Scum!vecna being townread by nearly everyone putting himself on the chopping block to get one town lynched? Dont make me laugh.

Scum!Vecna being townread by Titus knows he's never getting lynched, especially so as he and Titus seem in agreement that everyone who scumreads him is basically either scum or a policy lynch.

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

Titus, the foundation is in place. Now hammer Beeboy to see what theyre made off

VOTE: Beeboy

LET THE DIE BE CAST

COOKIE MONSTER WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT

Titus.
Look at this with a clear mind.
And ask yourself "Is Vecna's behavoir here townish? Is it towny to plant this kind of paranoia and foundation in the town? Is it towny to vote with someone you just voted and scumread?"
-Nebby

Nebby, I want to end the day either on Beeboy or ABR. ABR is my scumread, Beeboy will either flip scum or give me what I want tomorrow.

Why would I 1v1 ABR here as scum? While im in absolutely no danger of getting lynched whatsoever.

Im doing it because im convinced he's scum and a detriment to town.

We were all getting along. Untill he stopped lurking and started attacking titus, and rummaging around.

All of a sudden frog is hopping around, youre hopping around, all coherence is gone.

Lynch me if you must, but you WILL lynch ABR tomorrow.

He would 1v1 ABR as scum because he knows he'll win with the combination of buddies to back him and Titus hard tring him. He's overjustifying it here too, by framing ABR as a detriment to town he's setting himself up for any backlash from an ABR!townflip with "oh but he was anti-town because he pushed on Titus and caused the townblock to fall apart". If the bloc was solid to begin with then that wouldn't have happened. That wasn't a townbloc, that was a bloc with scum firmly rooted in it.

Came off as Vecna defending LUV to me.
-Nebby

Youre right. Im defending the obvious town player because some people are too dense to see it.

Now im 1v1'ing ARB because people are too dense to see it.

Take your pick.

Whiteknighting.

I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something.

You have the choice to lynch the obv choice or the obv scum.

Yes I casted doubt. Because you need to doubt the obvious scum.

Scum casts doubt without you knowing it. I do it blatantly and right in your face.

Because I know what has to happen. And im convinced about it.

Grandstanding with the "I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something."

Scum casting doubt is how you catch scum. This is also disingenuous because he was one of the ones scumreading Sondam for doubtcasting.

I think some people are overreacting to the way how I tried to push them to vote my way. 2 votes were allready on me from before, and maria was scumreading me before.

ABR on my wagon is the obvious scum.

Ceasar could be scum, but we dont have enough information.

Im a bit sad that the Alisae hydra and Froggeh are voting me. I thought they would see what I am doing, and realize it cannot possibly be scum motivated (misguided town at the worst). Im trying to defend our townblock and get the interfearing scum lynched.

Titus is right.

Anyone doubting just needs to go thrrough ABR's iso.

He went from hard-lurking, to attacking titus, to pretending to want to get replaced, to suddenly being hyper-active and trying to strongarm people into a certain lynch.

His response to my action was the most telling. He knew he had nowhere to go as soon as I did such a crazy move that made sure there was no way back for me.

his only course of action now is to try and win the 1v1 and try and bullshit his way out of this situation tomorrow.

If he was town he would try and handle it differently.

Spends half the post on AtE, buddies Titus HARD. Throws shade at someone wanting to be replaced and calls it pretend.

The whole fucking assumption of how one should act when pushing their scumread is gross here too. "If he was town he would try and handle it differently." I don't believe that Vecna actually believes this, and I think that if he truly thought that meant anything there wouldn't have been a need for half this post to be AtE.

I dare to commit. I dare to stand for something.

You have the choice to lynch the obv choice or the obv scum.

Yes I casted doubt. Because you need to doubt the obvious scum.

Scum casts doubt without you knowing it. I do it blatantly and right in your face.

Because I know what has to happen. And im convinced about it.

You're so tough look at you.

WITNESS ME

If I do end up getting lynched, tomorrow you will look for the people that will blame my mislynch on me and that go "its his own fault for doing something so incredibly scummy, he brought it on himself, blabla"

And you will not make excuses but lynch ABR.

Were not lynching me though. Were lynching this scum-lord and hard-confirming me as town.

Im off to bed now.

Do the smart thing.

Proof that he was 100% confident he wasn't getting lynched because he's been up Titus' ass all game.

I still don't see what you see, buddy. I see confident scum that was certain he'd never get lynched over ABR and could bullshit his way out of it, and laid the foundation to do so.

VOTE: Vecna

Youre right about 1 thing: im very confident as scum.

You can ask anyone in this game that I trust in my own abilities to endgame anyone.

What do you think wouldve happened to me if people sheeped me and lynched ABR, and he wouldve townflipped?

Or do you think I was bussing?

---------------------------

At any rate, Im resetting my read on you because Im beginning to suspect I was potentially wrong. Id suggest you do the same (since your wrong as well), but Im assuming it probably wont happen.

PoE lynchpool for today:

The darker the red, the higher the priority/desire for a lynch is:

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)

Nero Cain
Yuri

The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)

Leonshade

Elbirn

Creature

Brian Skies who replaced Drixx

Caesar Wills It (Aeronaut & Pine) who replaced Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine)

Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko*

davesaz who replaced ooba*

Maxous

PeregrineV*

Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)

NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)

Albert B. Rampage*

Spiffeh

I am a mighty lion.
Hear me rawr.

-Nebby

There's only one lion here.
Gonna check out your Elbrin case later.

Hmm, I like Notice's response to me. I may have just gotten the idea that Jae = scum and confbiased their complaints into scummy when they're probably NAI.

I think i understand what you meant here, and I felt the same way. Which once again shows me we have the same thought process. Good.

(That is, if youre just not simply copying me since everything we think is creepily similair )

Okay

So I see a bunch of "notice is town now" but not much in the way of explanation, contrary to your claim earlier that you're "transparent"

Dumb it down for me like I'm 5. Is it just that one post you liked?

The posts closely before and after that one were reason for me to question my read, but that post i quoted was the main reason since it isbt the way scum reason

[Vecna]

Silly qupte trees breaking the site.

[Vecna]

Caesar greets the noble Senators on this fine Roman morning!

Caesar has heard the pleas of the common people and listened to the discourse of this august body, and is prepared to make his first pronouncement of judgment.

In Our Sight, it is evident that the knavish so-called Senator Vecna is indeed an apostate, as it has come to our attention that he consorts with pagan rituals and barbarian filth. It is rumored indeed that he may be a necromantic sorcerer most foul, and is even worshipped as a perverse deity by uneducated swine. This affront to Our Own Divinity shall not be tolerated.

Further, we discern the motives of this creature to be malign in intent and manipulative in nature, fit to serve only self to the detriment of Mother Rome. We interpret this vile sorcerer's actions to be in keeping with what is commonly called a 'scumfuck' by the peasantry.

Be it resolved that all loyal Senators ought be compelled to cast their vote against the interloper.

VOTE: Vecna

Since you referenced this post, let me just get back to you and compare our list of pro-town actions;

Stuff that should make me blatant town:
-I put town on the right path during the first resolution. Rational reasoning why none was the right choice. Heated arguing with drixx that scum don't do to put themselves in the firing line just to defend their opinion to such extents.

-ive flailed around on day 1 quite a bit. Nothing bad about this. Main scumreads on yuri, notice and beeboy - allthough yuri and beeboy were mainly because cases from froggeh and spiffeh were convincing to me. Yes ive been transparent about this.

-silly tvt (most nlikely) fight with notice.I probably saw thibgs that werent there, but i still feel i wasnt wrong for questioning it.

-ive tried to work with deo, a&n, froggeh, and spiffer to get a collective town movement going, despite constant attacks from math.

-doing all of this i managed to get townread or above null read by EVERYONE except mathblade, yuri, notice and caesar(i might miss 1?)

-while townread by virtually EVERYONE except those few, I started my gladiator gambit to get abr lynched. ABR was disruptive and scum, and only titus agreed with me.
WHY WOULD I DO THIS AS SCUM? ANSWER ME THIS ONE THING. WHY RISKY MYSELF WHILE NEARLY EVERYONE HAS ME IN THEIR TOP3 TOWNREADS? especially if im scum that knows abr flips town?

-yes i did indicate willingness to vote beeboy. I never claimed otherwise. I attacked maxous because he voted my usibg the reasoning he disnt wanna sheep the responsible person for beeboys wagon. I told himbthis wasn't me. Which is a fair statement. If he didnt want to be associated with anyone oushing that wagon through sheeping abr on me was rediculous.

-during all of this ive constantly tried to solve the infighting in the deo hydra. Why not just let them continue being toxic if theyre scum? In the end it became too much and -because of my pressure- the fighting stopped and titus let math to it. Titus the person defending me the hardest, math scumreading me. Yet i didnt care about this potential outcome because i wanted what was best for town. Not what was best for myself such as ceasar tried to make people believe.

-I have tried to be very open about my reads and reasoning all throughout thr game. Dis i attack people? Absolutely, part of the game. Shade a bit here and there? Sure. But ive always had reasons that are town motivated. If youve had questions about anythibg, i was there to answer them at every point. Ive been explaining everything ive done. Town as fuck even though I'm not claiming im always right. And when im wrong im fine in admitting I've done so plenty of times.

Id like anyone to tell me where i have been manipulative or scummy. So far i havent seen a single proper argument as to why im scum that i havent disproven (at least i feel so, but apparently people don't agree sos please tell me what arguments youre buying because imbtelling you its scum misleading you).

Im town. I might be annoyed by all these attacks, but in not gonna let scum force another mislynch without a fight.

please tell me how after all of this im still a real wagon option here. It makes no sense.

Yes ive tried hard this game. That doesnt mean im scum. It means i want to solve this game.

I'll keep getting back to your questions. I might sound annoyed, thats because i am.

Im not saying ive been perfect this game or haven'tbeen wrong on several occasions, but thats part of the process.

[Vecna]

Hey Max. you were scumreading A+N yesterday but you've been mum on my case on them. Why is that?

Bevause he needs to defend his scum teammate obviously

When did you start scum reading A+N?

I mean abr here, no idea who hea currently voting now, but when it happened he used the nonsense reasoning to vote me over abr

[Vecna]

Abd after several of my hallmark actions this game everyone came out to claim how obvious town i was for it. Where are you people now i wonder?

[Vecna]

Oh and ceasar, please look back at when titus was still playing and a lot of people wanted to bandwagon you. I disagreed with it, even thogh if i was scum removing your pressure from me would make life easier dont you think? Why would i be so vocal about opposing that of im scum? Why would i limit my lynch options so drastically while going with the stream and laying low is so much easier?

[Vecna]

This is like Titus levels of not making sense. I was clearly asking about A+N not ABR.

Abr needs a counter wagon was my point. A&N doesbt offer that.

At any rate I'll stop interfering, continue your questioning

[Vecna]

Ive provided plenty of material this game for your read to be based on other stuff that isnt gu

yes you have but that doesn't make my reason that I had a gut scum read on you and then you tried to laugh it off (and I think thats a scummy reaction) any less valid. Also your self vote is just scum

ATE

. Like if you were really concerned with sheep voting and junk you'd be wary as hell of the Cesar and ABR wagons.

The opposition to the abr wagon is rather telling actually.

Who is the scum not bussing ABR and who are the town misreading him?

Are you seriously asking me to have the game solved on day2? At any rate id do another coloured smvote count but im on mobile so ill pass on it for now.

My previous ones arent super out of date id think

[Vecna]

But to clarify; if abr is town, why would scum not jump on it and then try to get me lynched tomorrow?

Thats why i think its rather telling

[Vecna]

Are you sure scum!Vecna is like this?

You know the answer to this yourself, so put on your big boy pants please

[Vecna]

also Vecna, whats your current Yuri read.

I have no idea on the slot. The wagon on it d1 was quite good, i agreed that its later defenses indeed sounded quite towny but i just wish it would have some better contributions into which i could properly read into.

[Vecna]

The wagon was supposed to say case. Froggers case

[Vecna]

also Vecna, whats your current Yuri read.

I have no idea on the slot. The wagon on it d1 was quite good, i agreed that its later defenses indeed sounded quite towny but i just wish it would have some better contributions into which i could properly read into.

See, this is my big thing. Like if Yuri was such a strong scum read for so many people why is he not a thing today? I realize that, myself included, people are sometimes really fickle with their reads but at the same time I think (and yes I know its a slight contradiction) I think that town players will continue to have a scum read on a player that they were scumreading previously. So why did the Yuri hate stop and not roll over from d1? So it sorta feels like Yuri was a viable mislynch d1 and now the scum that were on the wagon don't want to push against the grain.

Quite possible nero. Either that or hes still scum that likes the current direction so is laying low. Im not quite sure what it is.

[Vecna]

What i wonder about if creature really considers a scum vecna.

I really dont think he does and would like his vote to reflect that

[Vecna]

Caesar Augustus, the list of those suspected to be barbarians was composed in order of most to least suspicious, left to right.

If this is the case then why vote me instead of abr?

[Vecna]

Senators, while your homage to our style and manner of speech is most gratifying, We remind you that We are fluent in the vernacular, and such efforts are neither required nor likely to curry you Our Favor. We also are put in mind of the disharmony of a musical note which is nearly right, but is dissonantly flat. Such a musical note serves not to add to the melody, but to distract from it. We advise you of lower birth not to hurt yourselves in your attempts to flatter Us.

Senator nancy, We shall take your position under advisement when We begin the arduous task of adjudicating Senator Rampage's guilt or innocence. Your candor is appreciated.

Senator Senpai, We continue to disagree with your assessment of the traitor Vecna, but you have Our Attention. Waste it not.

Please adress my longass recent post

[Vecna]

Dave because he's a scumread of mine.
Also
VOTE: Vecna
-Nebby

Anoter person townreading me all game jumping aboard with zero reasoning given while wanting to lynch ceasar before if im not mistaken.

Townread instantly dissolved.

[Vecna]

My son had an orchestra concert and we went out to dinner after -- and I fell asleep at the computer after getting home. 8 hours and ~15-20 pages later...

New thing to research -- what was the VC when Vecna went nuts? Was there an apparently unstoppable wagon build in progress that disagreed with what Vecna had been pushing before that point? That would be the only possible scum motivation, and a heck of a gamble if scum. I can see town doing it for a very good reason, which I won't go into yet...

My ABR townread is rescinded. What initially looked like righteous indignation at a vendetta now reeks of trying to shake loose of being caught for the wrong reason. The timing (just as a L-1 was reached and a town replacement appeared) and trajectory (saying practically nothing of value before that) does not look town at all.

I continue to think Creature could be scum trying to act town, but it might just be a playstyle thing. I'm willing to listen to townreads for now.
UNVOTE:

pedit: sleep it off please. I don't mean that to be preachy or anything, just worried that clouded mind -> actions you'll regret later.

The wagon was heading towards Beeboy. Ive indicated willingness to vote this slot (and I shall if ABR fails) - BUT I feel we have a way way stronger likelyhood of getting scum by lynching ABR.

I know people dont like to be forced to vote a certain way, or be forced to think about a certain issue - But I fell it had to happen.

And anyone that thinks im scum for it; riddle me this (especially MariaR and Gerry) - Would I ever out myself as scum just to save a teammate? Would I ever put my ass on the line as scum for anyone? Or is my ego too big and do I think if anyone's going to win it for a scumteam it would be scumvecna? Or would I rather happily bus them instead to further my own goals?

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ABR has been lurking with only random comments untill last night. UNTILL TITUS KEPT CALLING OUT THAT SHE WANTS ABR LYNCHED.

Then within a short timeframe:
- the slot pretends to want to be replaced
-starts attacking Titus (which I know from personal experience is the easiest way to turn off her rational side and start a pissing contest that is BAD for town)
-starts appealing to everyone in Titus' townblock and influence their vote
-Notices people are getting suspicion so wants to push for Beeboy.
-After I throw down the gauntless, he uses FROGGER's assumption that im scum to agree to a bandwagon - directly trying to divert blame to frogger because he knows ill flip town
-Lies about me not being his townread just before
-Doesnt think about any town-sided reasoning for what im doing, but just claims to sheep Frogger
-Then realizes even if he wins the 1v1 with me, he'll die tomorrow
-Switches back to Beeboy

This is manipulative. There is ZERO townreasoning I can think of for any of this (if im wrong, please -do- enlighten me.

Maybe I shouldve approached this in a different way, but ive noticed several times before in the posting frenzy that 50% of the posts get ignored. Ive literally asked 15-20 questions last night that went unanswered. This was the way to bring attention to my issue.

Math, I directly appeal to you as well. You know that the best way to derail Titus is by personal attacks and by discrediting her work/reads/results. She just goes off on you, and all town will be "silly TvT battle". Ive done it before, its super effective as scum.

ABR - NEEDS - ROPE

[Vecna]

Notice that ceasar;
-doesnt care about the fact abr used way stronger ate with the replace put thing but doesnt mind this.
-ignores the fact that abr is way way more self involved while attacking titus and causing all thst chaos.
-doesnt engage ever about the point that abr lurked untill he came under fire, at which time he is suddenly hyper active.

Now abr is conveniently gone while ceasar takes over pushing my wagon. Trying to reduce the blowback on abr because they know ill flip town.

ABR and ceasar are scum together. Ceasar only takes the points from me as scum indicative but cannot see the harm when abr does it way worse.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. EVERYONE IS HOPPING ON EVEN AFTER TOWNREADING ME ALL GAME. I AM THE SCUM WAGON.

[Vecna]

Also i attempted to build stonehenge yesterday, the most pro town wonder availlable in that selection with zero utility for scum.

Notice how i was super pissed at deo getting it over me and then wasting its utility in the way they did.

[Vecna]

I dont care if hes town or not math. People are sheeping his flawed as fuck reasoning after townreading me all game. I demonstrate his reasoning applies to abr much more.

This is bullshit.

[Vecna]

Also i attempted to build stonehenge yesterday, the most pro town wonder availlable in that selection with zero utility for scum.

Notice how i was super pissed at deo getting it over me and then wasting its utility in the way they did.

Hell I'm pissed we claimed. :/ But that's spilled milk. Titus thought she had things figured out and had a plan and just wanted out a long time ago. She just said she couldn't because I'd ruin the game. :/ (sigh)

The fact i tried to build it as well shows im town since scum would never ever want that wonder for obv reasons.

I cannot prove it obviously, which is why i pointed at my annoyance at you guys misusing the wonder i shoukdve had.

[Vecna]

And yes there is obvious scum motivation in only applying standards to one person while townreading another for the very same things.

[Vecna]

Abr: "im vla because theres no internet in america"

Also he calls it a conference that he went to, but i actually went through his saga game and last year it was a vacatio , not a conference.

He is full of shit and his absence is by design for ingame reasons.

[Vecna]

Just as his day1 lurking and forced reappearance.

[Vecna]

But hey, i guess scum woukd go digging through 1 year old games to demonstrate that someone that is town might be lying, right?

RIGHT?

[Vecna]

Yeah stopping sounds about right

replace out

[Vecna]

I am not impressed that people who contributed to this game being a bloated toxic mess took the huff and replaced out.

I agree, and I'll continue. Taking a break from thread for a bit.

Lynch me if you must.

/end ate

[Vecna]

Id like ceasars thoughts about the likelyhood of me and abr both being criminals, seeing how his new decree is one i am greatly pleased with.

As for your changing your mind due to my replace out; Just know that id rather eat rope than stoop to such low tactics as scum. The only reason I'm still here is because i was asked to reconsider and agree with certain posters that I should finish what i started, especially given my contribution to the thread size.

[Vecna]

A&N please explaim to me why you think I'm teamed with abr all of a sudden. Do you really believe all that i did was an aggressive bus?

[Vecna]

I only have 2 scumgsmes on site. My last newby game and pick your power. They shouldn't be hard to find in my thread list.

[Vecna]

A&N please explaim to me why you think I'm teamed with abr all of a sudden. Do you really believe all that i did was an aggressive bus?

Honestly that whole thing really just sorta came off as theatre to me tbh.
-Nebby

Also the games Vecna is talking about in case anyone wants to read:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=67145
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69418

What part of it did you think theatrical? Because you seemed to agree with me at the time, and you never mentioned it as theatrics until now if im not mistaken

[Vecna]

What do you consider to be a scumtell this game? You just seem to be floating and doing nothing.

Floating -> drowning and you'd be a little closer to the truth.
My early game is typically shit anyway. Don't give me crap about almost 6500 posts not being early -- it's still d2 and my strength comes with lots of flips.

Really? The one completed game we have together where you were townb you became very quiet Later on.

[Vecna]

A&N please explaim to me why you think I'm teamed with abr all of a sudden. Do you really believe all that i did was an aggressive bus?

Honestly that whole thing really just sorta came off as theatre to me tbh.
-Nebby

Also the games Vecna is talking about in case anyone wants to read:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=67145
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69418

What part of it did you think theatrical? Because you seemed to agree with me at the time, and you never mentioned it as theatrics until now if im not mistaken

I did a reset Vecna.
Also gut.
But I did mention it earlier, it just something about that interaciton just seemed really really fake.
-Nebby

You did a reset where you went to reread that interaction? And then suddenly came to a different conclusion?

What seemed fake about it? I posted a large lost of reasons why i thought he was scum, did you agree with those or not? (Pv quoted the list a few pages ago)

[Vecna]

Going throigh your iso;
Joining me on abr on several occasions, never no mention of thinking im bussing him or that its theatrics.

When it was looking like i was getting hammered you suddenly jumped on me. Wheb asked about it, it was suddenly scum theatrics. While you were townreading me all game.

Now its a reset?

Im not sure if im buying this explenation. Not at all.

I already found it weird when abr was scumreading you the way he did. Im now thinking he mightve been bussing you back out of annoyance that you were sheeping me on him.

When i became a likely lynch you decided it was time to get rid.of me to save abr today.

Notice how this also works if abr is town. Getting me hammered, and most likely abr as a result tomorrow.

Major suspicion has been raised against A&N.

I will join a wagon on A&N.

Thoughts about this people? Its looking mightily suspicious. Also look at the 180 on Elbirn.

[Vecna]

Your actions said enough. Your actions and votes said you agreed with me. Youve been agreeing with me on almost everything all game.

Then when it looks likely ill get lynched you suddenly vote me.

And now you justify your actions with a read reset.

I think this is what caught scum look like.

[Vecna]

Dont want to or not allowed to?

[Vecna]

At any rate, welcome to my priority lynch list.

My list of vecna/abr as only vote options today has been expanded by +1