Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:40 pm

In post 4726, Creature wrote:If ABR and DEO could pretend each other are masons and started to look for scum, that'd be good.

I am not pretending the most toxic player to the obvtown block is a mason. Sorry, especially when his whole shtick is Titus is terrible.

I can and will work around him. Caesar is the best lynch that ABR and I will agree on.

Giving ABR space to wreck things is why shit went south yesterday.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:42 pm

In post 4743, The DEO wrote:
In post 4726, Creature wrote:If ABR and DEO could pretend each other are masons and started to look for scum, that'd be good.
I am not pretending the most toxic player to the obvtown block is a mason. Sorry, especially when his whole shtick is Titus is terrible.

I can and will work around him. Caesar is the best lynch that ABR and I will agree on.

Giving ABR space to wreck things is why shit went south yesterday.

Titus please...Let me work. Please talk about anyone else in the game. We understand you think ABR is scum.
~~Math

ABR your turn.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:42 pm

In post 4742, The DEO wrote:Player List:
Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite) -- Hard town read
Fro99er -- Town Beard (Meaning I think he's town but everything he does is helping scum)
Nero Cain -- Obvtown Meta tell
Yuri -- Scum lynch that should have happened D1 that disappeared because I quit pushing.
beeboy -- Town lynched
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade) -- Us
Leonshade -- Town, hunting everything and its brother. Like I had a maybe townread then had to reread that slot. OMG so town makes my eyes bleed.
Elbirn -- Town lean -- Wish he'd post more and be more memorable but the game is insane. I liked most of his posts but the lack of activity/gut bothers me.
Creature -- Townlean Considering he didn't really push much if I'm completely fucked on reads which I don't think I am) then I'd relook here.
Drixx -- TOWNREAD (Duh)
Caesar Wills It (Aeronaut & Pine) who replaced Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine) -- Town by meta (which again you don't want to hear)
Lil Uzi Vert -- Scum by outright shade throw and manipulation. It's just baaaaaaaaad.
Vecna -- See above
ssbm_Kyouko*-- Wish they'd post more. Town by PoE only.
davesaz who replaced ooba* -- Town by PoE only. Replaced in at end of day would love to see more from this slot.
Maxous -- Oh god this is so town. When there were Maxous pushes he wasn't survivalistic or deflective at all. Town through and through
PeregrineV* -- Town by entrance
Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat) -- Town by entrance
NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina) -- Town by timezones and entrance
Albert B. Rampage* -- Light scumread -- We agree here which is okay but I would much rather push mutual scumread Yuri instead. I get the feeling you're influencing me here because you do have a demonstrated bias against ABR. If one of my scumreads are wrong probably drop ABR.
Spiffeh -- Scum. Protected Yuri HARD.

~~Math

Obviously

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:44 pm

In post 4741, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't trust this town to keep a tight lip on who they think built a Wonder. If it was a mini I could maybe endorse someone take the tracker like Wonder so doc can protect them.

I don't necessarily trust Town to do that either But....
Tracker is one of the best scum catching and honesty catching utilities we have.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:45 pm

In post 4744, The DEO wrote:
In post 4743, The DEO wrote:
In post 4726, Creature wrote:If ABR and DEO could pretend each other are masons and started to look for scum, that'd be good.
I am not pretending the most toxic player to the obvtown block is a mason. Sorry, especially when his whole shtick is Titus is terrible.

I can and will work around him. Caesar is the best lynch that ABR and I will agree on.

Giving ABR space to wreck things is why shit went south yesterday.
Titus please...Let me work. Please talk about anyone else in the game. We understand you think ABR is scum.
~~Math

ABR your turn.

I am not talking until there's a question put to me or it's vote time. Creature made a direct request. No one needs to hear more words. We need to lynch scum.

This thread is huge because people feel compelled to talk rather than listen. Town have already announced who they are.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:47 pm

In post 4749, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4743, The DEO wrote:Giving ABR space to wreck things is why shit went south yesterday.
Let's set the record straight. My ideal lynch was Vecna, not Beeboy. In every game we've been in where I was town, you're the one who wrecked things.

Yeah, and your ego is this. Stop "setting the record straight" to throw shade at town.

If you want not to die, work with town and stop bringing up the past. I have great games without you, and will continue to do so.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:47 pm

In post 4746, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 4728, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 4717, The DEO wrote:
In post 4711, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Bee was obvious town.
If Bee was obvious Town who were the scum that pivoted the wagon away from Yuri and who were the scum off the Beeboy wagon?

~~Math
ABR and Spiffey derailed.

Leon/Yuri, one of these two hopped on to secure the lynch.
"ABR and Spiffy derailed" means jack shit when Yuri isn't flipped. This only makes sense as a justification if Yuri ever flips scum.

You're also basically saying "the people most responsible for the beeboy lynch are scum" which is incredibly lazy.

What about my "flip" off Yuri is scummy to you? Do you disagree with my reasons for doing so? If so, why?

During last night when I reviewed vote counts and posted you had to be begged prodded and pleaded onto Yuri and as soon as Beeboy posted you hopped off. I explained Beeboy town hardcore but you didn't interact with that at all.

You OMGUS'd Maxous at the beginning of the day as well.

Given yes Yuri hasn't flipped yet but with how uneager you were to be on him it is scummy you actually did cave to pressure.

~~Math

Pedit you sure are JaeReed.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:48 pm

In post 4761, Creature wrote:Just guide me to scum this time.

We are lynching Caesar or ABR.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:50 pm

In post 4762, The DEO wrote:
In post 4761, Creature wrote:Just guide me to scum this time.
We are lynching Caesar or ABR.

~Titus

Titus your townreads are saying Spiffeh right now.

Why are you saying Caesar who is a lurker lynch?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:51 pm

In post 4763, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4754, The DEO wrote:
In post 4749, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4743, The DEO wrote:Giving ABR space to wreck things is why shit went south yesterday.
Let's set the record straight. My ideal lynch was Vecna, not Beeboy. In every game we've been in where I was town, you're the one who wrecked things.
Yeah, and your ego is this. Stop "setting the record straight" to throw shade at town.

If you want not to die, work with town and stop bringing up the past. I have great games without you, and will continue to do so.
I don't give a fuck, Titus. Stop talking to me. Talk to Mathblade and settle on one position together.

Stop trying to promote Mathblade. They were actually reconsidering their reads before you showed up. Stop implicitly saying I am bad, when you lead a town lynch. Just stop the dividing. Math will come around later. I cannot talk to them to unite. We tried for days.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:53 pm

In post 4770, The DEO wrote:
In post 4763, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4754, The DEO wrote:
In post 4749, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4743, The DEO wrote:Giving ABR space to wreck things is why shit went south yesterday.
Let's set the record straight. My ideal lynch was Vecna, not Beeboy. In every game we've been in where I was town, you're the one who wrecked things.
Yeah, and your ego is this. Stop "setting the record straight" to throw shade at town.

If you want not to die, work with town and stop bringing up the past. I have great games without you, and will continue to do so.
I don't give a fuck, Titus. Stop talking to me. Talk to Mathblade and settle on one position together.
Stop trying to promote Mathblade. They were actually reconsidering their reads before you showed up. Stop implicitly saying I am bad, when you lead a town lynch. Just stop the dividing. Math will come around later. I cannot talk to them to unite. We tried for days.

~Titus

We spent three hour lunch trying. This is true.
But you are equally bad for that hammer attempt while I was hunting and post bans and throwing shade.

The difference is I know our slot is Town and I have to figure out ABR and the more you attack him the more I do t have his reads on every player in the game.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:54 pm

In post 4773, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mathblade/Titus may be the most dysfunctional hydra I've ever seen. Agree on things before coming here and polluting the thread with a million posts, half of which are direct insults to me.

Really, you are now playing the victim again and attacking me. I cannot force Math to compromise. I was Frogger's rock in spite of this.

The only pollution in this thread is you repeating the same divise shit at yesterday and throwing mud at town.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:54 pm

In post 4773, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mathblade/Titus may be the most dysfunctional hydra I've ever seen. Agree on things before coming here and polluting the thread with a million posts, half of which are direct insults to me.

I am trying to get Titus to stop so I can hunt.

But she has free will.

~~Math

Can you please give a quick blurb on each player ABR?

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:57 pm

In post 4777, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Whatever, convince your sister to vote for Ceasar and I'll throw my hat in because I'm tired of fighting with you.

Yeah I am not voting Caesar when most of my town reads want Spiffeh Yuri Vecna or you and Caesar is a town read.

Titus is trying to teach me about a town block.

I am trying to do that.

To do that I have to listen to my townreads and not strongarming shit.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:58 pm

In post 4779, The DEO wrote:
In post 4777, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Whatever, convince your sister to vote for Ceasar and I'll throw my hat in because I'm tired of fighting with you.
Yeah I am not voting Caesar when most of my town reads want Spiffeh Yuri Vecna or you and Caesar is a town read.

Titus is trying to teach me about a town block.

I am trying to do that.

To do that I have to listen to my townreads and not strongarming shit.

~~Math

See, math's "townreads" want my towblock dead. Math wants any townblock dead that they are not a part of and townreads anyone who does that.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:00 pm

By imperial decree sir Caesar I AM TRYING.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:05 pm

In post 4791, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Vecna

That's my townread.

VOTE: ABR

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:09 pm

In post 4794, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4793, The DEO wrote:
In post 4791, Albert B. Rampage wrote:VOTE: Vecna
That's my townread.

VOTE: ABR
What are your thoughts on Leon and Creature?

Both town.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:10 pm

VOTE: Unvote

That we agree.

~~Math

The unvote is til we get our shit together.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:10 pm

Meaning Leon and Creature town

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:11 pm

In post 4799, The DEO wrote:VOTE: Unvote

That we agree.

~~Math

The unvote is til we get our shit together.

Nope.

We are moving the toxic players or my scumreads today. Not this sit on the sidelines crap we did yesterday that resulted in a mislynch.

VOTE: ABR

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:12 pm

In post 4804, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4797, The DEO wrote:Both town.~Titus
So basically anyone who is against me is town. All the scum have decided to join my side. Got it.

Nope. My reads are the same before you showed up and wrecked things.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:12 pm

Bloody hell.

Never hydraing you again.

Imaginary vote Spiffeh

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:12 pm

In post 4808, The DEO wrote:Bloody hell.

Never hydraing you again.

Imaginary vote Spiffeh

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:14 pm

In post 4810, Yuri wrote:Hey ABR and Nero can u both talk about why im town for you
kyouko is actually someone ive considered, someone voting him want to talk about why

I also need to go so peace out for tonight

Lynching a lurker is horrible.

We need to find the scum who were accountable for the Beeboy wagon and lynch them.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:16 pm

In post 4814, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 4390, Akane and Nebby wrote:Btw I'm okay with lynching BaeReed if he hasn't caught up yet.
-Nebby
1) I'm caught up to this post.
2) You knew I was putting effort in to lylo for another game, and you knew I was knocked out cold for a whole fucking day because of the concussion while you guys lynched beeboy instead of obvscum Vecna.
3) Stop using meta because you don't know how to use it correctly. I flat don't do the reads lists thing D1 of larges and you can check that. It's a verifiable fact, so is the fact that I'm less likely to do it when I have a hood I can do it in instead, which is something YOU SHOULD KNOW FROM THE GAME WE JUST FUCKING FINISHED.

How does mastina recommend resolving the situation? I highly doubt Mastina says Vecna is scum.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:17 pm

In post 4816, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4812, Creature wrote:
In post 4804, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4797, The DEO wrote:Both town.~Titus
So basically anyone who is against me is town. All the scum have decided to join my side. Got it.
Who are opposing you?
The scumbags I've caught: Vecnar, LUV, A+N.

Read: They're town and working with Titus, so they must be scum.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:18 pm

In post 4816, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4812, Creature wrote:
In post 4804, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4797, The DEO wrote:Both town.~Titus
So basically anyone who is against me is town. All the scum have decided to join my side. Got it.
Who are opposing you?
The scumbags I've caught: Vecnar, LUV, A+N.

A&N is obv town.

The other two maybe.

~~The imaginary poster who won't be a dick and unvote again.

Vote Spiffeh

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:19 pm

In post 4822, Spiffeh wrote:I think all of {DEO, ABR, PeregrineV, Creature, Sondam}

I have lesser town reads on {A&N, Nero Cain, Yuri, Drixx, Uzi, Vecna, Elbirn}

Which leaves me {NoticeMeSenpai, davesaz, ssbm_Kyouko, Leonshade, Maxous, Caesar}

Caesar and SSM are not bad jokes.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:20 pm

In post 4822, Spiffeh wrote:I think all of {DEO, ABR, PeregrineV, Creature, Sondam}

I have lesser town reads on {A&N, Nero Cain, Yuri, Drixx, Uzi, Vecna, Elbirn}

Which leaves me {NoticeMeSenpai, davesaz, ssbm_Kyouko, Leonshade, Maxous, Caesar}

What were your reads prebeeboy lynch and who changed because of it?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:25 pm

In post 4830, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4824, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 4816, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The scumbags I've caught: Vecnar, LUV, A+N.
I have town leans on all of them

Can you explain why you're scum reading them?
Vecnar, because his thoughts made NO SENSE when he moved from Yuri to Beeboy to me and back to Beeboy. The whole thing reeks of scum.

A+N, super shady and opportunistic.

LUV, you can catch him slipping Day 1.

The "slip" is a shit post as it is mod confirmed all Vanilla at start of the game and it was in the first post.
Seriously. ABR what are you doing?

That A&N read is naked.

The Vecna one is one you scumread because you don't understand them. That is just grounds to ask questions.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:27 pm

In post 4831, Spiffeh wrote:Mathblade I'm ignoring all of your posts from now in if that wasn't clear

Same with Uzi

I'm not dealing with your ridiculous suspicions of me and reading your posts about me make angry enough to want to insult both of you instead of actually scumhunt which is toxic to the gamestate and in the grand scheme of things makes me useless

So don't expect that question to get answered

Assume you are Town.
Assume someone is trying to ask you questions to see if they scumread you improperly.
How does ignoring their posts help Town reassess?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:31 pm

In post 4838, Spiffeh wrote:I will comply with players I feel are town and being reasonable to work with.

Right now that aren't many. I'm starting with ABR and Maria and hopefully that group grows.

Why am I unreasonable to work with? I have not tunneled once this game and have been asking more questions.
I scumread you right now but I am trying to find out if that is flawed. How does dividing town be reasonable?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:31 pm

In post 4838, Spiffeh wrote:I will comply with players I feel are town and being reasonable to work with.

Right now that aren't many. I'm starting with ABR and Maria and hopefully that group grows.

Spiffeh, please vote Caesar or SSM.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:34 pm

In post 4839, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mathblade, your scumreads are the following:

LUV
Spiffeh
Yuri
Vecna

So why are you arguing with me about LUV when we agree? Why are you not helping us with Vecna?

Because
1) I scumread LUV and Vecna for reasons that make sense. Your reads make me have to sort if you are scum who is making up shit or that in the past few days I have pointed out several errors and you just forgot how to hunt.
2) Spiffeh is a package deal. If Spiffeh scum Yuri scum. Spiffeh town Yuri town.
3) You and Spiffeh derailed the Yuri wagon so finding that connection is valuable to me.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:35 pm

In post 4843, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I respect his decision because I've flirted with the same idea in regards to Math.

@Titus: Kyouko is not worth it right now.

If you mean his to mean me I am a They.

There are a lot of people in this game. If you use pronouns please use the fight ones so I know who you are talking about.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:37 pm

In post 4842, Spiffeh wrote:Titus, they are on my sorting list.

Why do you think Leon is town?

I am going to go back and make sure, but I remember their jump to beeboy making the least sense to me initially.

I agree with that. I don't really have a problem with anything they posted so far this game. Is it possible they are scum? Sure. Likely, not really. They've been pretty protown the entire game.

As for Caesar and SSM, the only way they are getting sorted is with votes or after we remove ABR. Right now, we are in the first few hours of the vote phase, if they do something townie, you can move it.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:39 pm

In post 336, Maxous wrote:Enough.
The roles are literally based around night kills.
Stop leaving hints who's taking a PR
TIA

In post 368, Maxous wrote:I don't think Drixx would be cheerleading Titus so hard as scum

In post 564, Maxous wrote:VOTE: Spiffeh

Yup.
Felt some of his arguments came across a little disingenuous, didn't like some of his passive-aggressive scumreads and didn't like his fear mongering because of how a town lost a previous game. Felt off
Random vote on Nero doesn't help

Just a random selection of Maxous's posts. Maxous is not playing this game to be afraid. He's playing it to be agressive and hunt people. Scum could lurk in this environment easily. He's stayed active even after he was a wagon.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:40 pm

In post 4847, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Math: I was talking about Spiffy.

Oh okay.

Then how did you go from agreeing with me at the start. To now I am unreasonable when all I have done is ask questions?

~~Math

ABR -- I already explained on my wall but the general idea is throwing shade, VCA, first 11 pages defeatist. Garcia's like mad...just the beginning game is horrible.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:41 pm

In post 4852, The DEO wrote:
In post 336, Maxous wrote:Enough.
The roles are literally based around night kills.
Stop leaving hints who's taking a PR
TIA

In post 368, Maxous wrote:I don't think Drixx would be cheerleading Titus so hard as scum

In post 564, Maxous wrote:VOTE: Spiffeh

Yup.
Felt some of his arguments came across a little disingenuous, didn't like some of his passive-aggressive scumreads and didn't like his fear mongering because of how a town lost a previous game. Felt off
Random vote on Nero doesn't help
Just a random selection of Maxous's posts. Maxous is not playing this game to be afraid. He's playing it to be agressive and hunt people. Scum could lurk in this environment easily. He's stayed active even after he was a wagon.

~Titus

Hallelujah you finally agree on Maxous

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:43 pm

In post 4858, Creature wrote:VOTE: Caesar

Thank you.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:45 pm

In post 4857, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@Math: Mainly because of your reads and the chaos that has been created around them.

My reads did not cause chaos. I was not loud. Arguing with Titus head. That I could argue causes chaos. But my reads EoD and middle of day were laughed at.

Spiffeh was considered no touchy by Titus.
Vecna also considered that way (and still is)
Like go look at post 800.

That is most of your scumreads.

If I am "unreasonable" because I scumread scum that is a problem.
If I am "unreasonable" because of my playstyle that is something that is fixable.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:48 pm

In post 4859, The DEO wrote:
In post 4858, Creature wrote:VOTE: Caesar
Thank you.

~Titus

Imaginary voice says Caesar is town and has a blade in the shape of a Greek numerical symbol.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:49 pm

In post 4862, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How did my reads cause chaos?

They didn't????

*is very confused*

Reads don't cause chaos.

~~Imaginary voice of please don't repeat Beeboy.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:54 pm

In post 4864, Spiffeh wrote:VOTE: Caesar

I don't really buy your reasoning for town reading Maxous. If anything I'm surprised he has anywhere CLOSE to 75 posts because he's made literally no impression on the game. I have played with him once and don't remember him being this much of a non entity. Admittedly I have proven this game that the way I use meta is shit and one game so long ago means literally nothing.

I don't think any of the posts you quoted are indicative of town. The first two in particular are extremely easy for scum to say. The vote on me I guess is the only post that makes me think he's not playing scared, but his vote on me was pretty short-lived and he hasn't mentioned me since despite several people calling me out. So of the things you've provided I still don't see how you could be town reading him so confidently.

@Maxous what is your read of me currently?

Fair enough. We can agree to disagree on Maxous. He's not an iron clad read. 75 posts and having no impact in a 5000 post game is ok. The effort is more of what I'm concerned with and the attempt to scumhunt rather than the success or failure.

I do hate meta, but others rely on it. It can create the same thing you had here. I'll admit my scumread on ABR is more or less him not noticing his textbook scumplay that he advised our newbies in Cyberpunk. That too is a meta read. He just becomes much more lynchable because his attitude, his reads suck and him attempting to divide town and my hydra when I was THISCLOSE to having Math realize the problem with only these 5 people are scum, everyone else is town approach.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:54 pm

In post 4856, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I prefer following my intuition with players than having explanations. I'm more of a go with my gut type of player.

You gave explanations in Shadowrun.

You need to understand that without them you look like scum literally picking anyone to me.
And it is 3x harder to sort you.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:55 pm

That isn't the case sis. Go look at my read wall.

I would actually vote Creature if I had to but would rather not. Or Elbrin.

I give 7 people I would vote.

Please just shading me does the Town no favors.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:56 pm

LUV, Math needs you to explain why their reads caused chaos. They aren't getting it from me.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:57 pm

In post 4867, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 4863, The DEO wrote:
In post 4862, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How did my reads cause chaos?
They didn't????

*is very confused*

Reads don't cause chaos.

~~Imaginary voice of please don't repeat Beeboy.
I misread. What about my reads?

Why shouldn't I repeat Bee?

Your reads match mine in post 800. Well not yourself obviously.

Explain how my reads "cause chaos" and make me "unreasonable" when they are your reads.

Explain how trying to stop a Beeboy mislynch while getting laughed at is unreasonable.

Beeboy was someone picked a lynch we got tired of hearing fighting and just did it.
Caesar is the same damn thing.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:06 pm

So in other words because I scumread scum I am unreasonable.

Look st post 800 and who you scumread now.

If you are saying I am unreliable because I disagree with Titus I have disagreed with her in Thing Mafia on Magna and Memory on drealmerz. And I was right both times. If I am unreliable for disagreeing with Titus just have her pick every lynch and have everyone go home. No point to Mafia.

Because I am called an idiot and other things I am much too polite to name so I just keep doing what I can without being a tunnelly asshole. It is difficult enough to get people to even see and now that the majority of the people I picked in post 800 are being group scumread Titus says I am not compromising dictates Caesar or ABR and I try ABR to get along and she changes to caesar a townread.

That is why I am exhausted.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:07 pm

In post 4877, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4866, The DEO wrote:
In post 4856, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I prefer following my intuition with players than having explanations. I'm more of a go with my gut type of player.
You gave explanations in Shadowrun.

You need to understand that without them you look like scum literally picking anyone to me.
And it is 3x harder to sort you.

~~Math
I was scum in Shadowrun. I explain when I'm scum so I look like town. As town, I don't explain.

You were Town I was scum.

Are you trying to piss me off? You lost the game by vigging KC.

Wtf Sis can we please lynch this?

TThis is the third time he has outright lied.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:08 pm

In post 4879, The DEO wrote:
In post 4877, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4866, The DEO wrote:
In post 4856, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I prefer following my intuition with players than having explanations. I'm more of a go with my gut type of player.
You gave explanations in Shadowrun.

You need to understand that without them you look like scum literally picking anyone to me.
And it is 3x harder to sort you.

~~Math
I was scum in Shadowrun. I explain when I'm scum so I look like town. As town, I don't explain.
You were Town I was scum.

Are you trying to piss me off? You lost the game by vigging KC.

Wtf Sis can we please lynch this?

TThis is the third time he has outright lied.

~~Math

We're voting him, but not for that. That's a memory error. Shadowrun and Cyberpunk have similar flavor.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:11 pm

Pretty please loook ABR is a combined lynch choice. Please put the vote on ABR and remove it from my townread.

~~Math

ABR omg

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=67961

Titus was the mod.
*dies a bit inside*

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:13 pm

In post 4883, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 4880, The DEO wrote:Shadowrun and Cyberpunk have similar flavor.
oh right I conflated the two.

Lovingly I don't believe you at all.
You have lied about letting Frogger lead Town when he scumread you and ended up dead.
You have lied or couldn't read/understand the first post.
You have lied about (or didn't carefully read) my posts.

Just please. Like ABR help me out here if you are town.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:14 pm

In post 4887, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:Talk to me about your TR on Vecna? This whole thing feels like grapes all over again.

Explain?

Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:15 pm

Whelp no shit JaeReed is still obvTown.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:16 pm

I disagree on the derailing but but at least it is reasons instead of Mathh you're unreasonable because you scumread me
Still waiting on that answer LUV.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:47 pm

VOTE: Caesar

This is where town decided to go today.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:51 pm

#wtf

~~Obviously not Titus head

I will try readjusting with all the gut juice and see if it can redirect me because Creature looks like policy Pine doesn't post like we do.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:57 pm

Happy Valentine's Day!!

Please don't vote JaeReed or A&N please.

They are mu top town reads.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:58 pm

In post 4940, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4550, The DEO wrote:
In post 4547, Creature wrote:
In post 4545, The DEO wrote:
In post 4538, Creature wrote:Nero Cain
The DEO
Caesar Wills It
Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
davesaz
Maxous
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai
Yeah, how about no. This is an awkward as fuck chainsaw of ABR?

Why not lynch everyone who thought beeboy was town?
Is there someone on his wagon that thought he was town?
Back parts did. I did and I would have hammered it. It was an EoD we want the fuck out of here wagon that was diverted away from ABR.
No.

Yay PV a townread of both of ours who agrees!!!

Please tell me your scumreads oh holy obvTown one!

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:59 pm

In post 4925, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4923, Akane and Nebby wrote:What is there in 4444 to respond to?
...................................................

shit got real quiet when the pressure on A+N got real. His buddies be lurking.

Shit got quiet because I was trying to get together with Math again.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:59 pm

In post 4943, The DEO wrote:
In post 4940, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4550, The DEO wrote:
In post 4547, Creature wrote:
In post 4545, The DEO wrote:
In post 4538, Creature wrote:Nero Cain
The DEO
Caesar Wills It
Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
davesaz
Maxous
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai
Yeah, how about no. This is an awkward as fuck chainsaw of ABR?

Why not lynch everyone who thought beeboy was town?
Is there someone on his wagon that thought he was town?
Back parts did. I did and I would have hammered it. It was an EoD we want the fuck out of here wagon that was diverted away from ABR.
No.

Yay PV a townread of both of ours who agrees!!!

Please tell me your scumreads oh holy obvTown one!

~~Math

I'd actually lynch PV, but my townreads would never go for it.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:02 pm

In post 4948, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4945, The DEO wrote:Shit got quiet because I was trying to get together with Math again.
What do you think of the case on her?

Garbage. I would have interceded but obvious I wasn't asked. She talks like me. I do that crap all the time when talking to you. It's indicative of a player thinking. I am at the EXACT place A and N is with you. I can't tell if you're scum defending your buddies or town just defending all my good scumreads because you think I'm a shitty player.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:05 pm

In post 4956, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 4954, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 4953, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 4949, Brian Skies wrote:Sup. Who needs rope?
Scum thinks I need rope
-Nebby
And who would that be?
Nero Cain, ABR, Yuri
-Nebby

Yuri's town.

Focus on Caesar and his garbage roleplaying rather than scumhunting. Stop defending yourself. There's no point. ABR and Nero will just blame you when you flip town for working with a "shit player".

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:07 pm

In post 4962, Akane and Nebby wrote:DEO that's where my vote is at right now
-Nebby

Talk to Brian about that. Defending yourself is a losing battle.

@Nero, Yeah I know. The other thing is she somehow had dissonance while sorting your slot. Really, come on man. Just work with me here. Are you townreading Caesar? Is his play good for town? Yeah, didn't think so.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:09 pm

*recalibration of the blade of Math continuing...Loading fun things to do*

Seriously please come on at least wish each other Happy Valentine's Day.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:09 pm

In post 4964, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4959, The DEO wrote:
Focus on Caesar and his garbage roleplaying rather than scumhunting
. Stop defending yourself. There's no point. ABR and Nero will just blame you when you flip town for working with a "shit player".
coach Titus with the save!

You don't want me to coach, don't ask for my thoughts.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:11 pm

In post 4969, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 4965, The DEO wrote:Talk to Brian about that. Defending yourself is a losing battle.
I'm good at defending people though.

Here's one. Grab a gun and vig us.

Lynch our scumreads. Take that in your pipe and smoke it.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:15 pm

In post 4977, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 4965, The DEO wrote:Are you townreading Caesar? Is his play good for town? Yeah, didn't think so.
he can ride the town train for now. Even if his play is a distraction and "anti-town" that doesn't make a scum. And even if he's scum there's atleast 3 or 4 other scum so???? Why the narrow focus on him today? Why is A+N town?

Nah, you don't think he's protown and you're wanting another wagon based on word slips. Now, tell me why this isn't an ego play from you?

They think like me. I can read them well. I'd bet my life on them being town.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:16 pm

Fucking policy lynches. Wtf.

#Someone

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:20 pm

In post 4987, Brian Skies wrote:VOTE: Pine

This seems like the best low effort vote I can make until I properly catch up (which may be never).

In post 4992, Brian Skies wrote:Oh, Pine is one half of a hydra. That doesn't change much for me though.

That hydra is Caesar if that helps at all.

Otherwise, I'm going to go fly a kite with Mathblade unless you ask me direct shit.

Tell me what you need. Both heads of ours townread your predecessor pretty hard.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:32 pm

Please Titus and I agree A&N is obvTown.
We hardly agree.
A&N is obvTown because of it.

~~Numbers saying words

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:35 pm

In post 5003, The DEO wrote:Please Titus and I agree A&N is obvTown.
We hardly agree.
A&N is obvTown because of it.

~~Numbers saying words

Us agreeing on a read means just as much as any two players agreeing. There's no special talisman saying that's the right one.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:41 pm

In post 5006, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5004, The DEO wrote:
In post 5003, The DEO wrote:Please Titus and I agree A&N is obvTown.
We hardly agree.
A&N is obvTown because of it.

~~Numbers saying words
Us agreeing on a read means just as much as any two players agreeing. There's no special talisman saying that's the right one.

~Titus
jesus fuck talk in your hydra and stop trying to clutter things up. You prob are scum but but I'll fully admit that I can't tell the diffrence but you need to get pled like in X-Men.

?? I have hydra'd in three games. None of which policy.

Thing Mafia which I replaced out of which I realized was a mistake.
Memory Mafia which I am glad I didn't because I used an RM meta tell and Drealmerz when I had to argue around Titus.

And this one.
that is it.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:53 pm

In post 5007, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 4818, The DEO wrote:
In post 4814, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 4390, Akane and Nebby wrote:Btw I'm okay with lynching BaeReed if he hasn't caught up yet.
-Nebby
1) I'm caught up to this post.
2) You knew I was putting effort in to lylo for another game, and you knew I was knocked out cold for a whole fucking day because of the concussion while you guys lynched beeboy instead of obvscum Vecna.
3) Stop using meta because you don't know how to use it correctly. I flat don't do the reads lists thing D1 of larges and you can check that. It's a verifiable fact, so is the fact that I'm less likely to do it when I have a hood I can do it in instead, which is something YOU SHOULD KNOW FROM THE GAME WE JUST FUCKING FINISHED.
How does mastina recommend resolving the situation? I highly doubt Mastina says Vecna is scum.
mastina still hasn't read. She was 1v1ing Drixx in that lylo when this game started and has other obligations to attend to.

Also, mastina will not give me reads. That's not the point of this hydra. It's not for me to sheep mastina because I won't learn anything that way.

Ok, well I want to know what tips mastina has for dealing with

1) A fractured as fuck town
2) A fractured as fuck hydra

Ty in advance

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:09 pm

In post 5020, Nero Cain wrote:Yume and I were also in a hydra in Gitsou and I don't she posted at all. I mean I'll check but I think the whether or not she is posting is NAI.

I have a hydra with Yume. Yume doesn't post much in hydra unless prodded out to post. I have asked them to be more assertive, because I think that maybe they could do well if given space to do so.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:10 pm

In post 5019, Elbirn wrote:
In post 4532, Nero Cain wrote:or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.
I'm still 20 pages back

What's happening?

Caesar is finally getting rope.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:26 pm

In post 5022, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 4866, The DEO wrote:
In post 4856, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I prefer following my intuition with players than having explanations. I'm more of a go with my gut type of player.
You gave explanations in Shadowrun.

You need to understand that without them you look like scum literally picking anyone to me.
And it is 3x harder to sort you.

~~Math
Actually, if you remember his push on you I tried to understand it and he just wasn't explaining it. I think the most explanation he gave was probably the D&D push early game?

I've seen him push on someone in another game without giving reasons either as town. I think it's just his playstyle. (If you want a link of that game I can give it to you?)

Please. I will take any input from my townreads at this point that has reasons.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:32 pm

In post 5037, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 5035, Nero Cain wrote:I've heard Alisae does the same things as scum + I just don't get what they've done in the last few pages. You'll see them and tell me what you think.
In what completed scumgame?
-Nebby

And who did you hear it from and when?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:08 pm

In post 5045, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 4960, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 4958, Brian Skies wrote:ABR is always manipulative. It's one of his more endearing traits.
This dude.
By the name of Yuri
Was at L-1 yesterday.
Then ABR came in.
And suddenly Yuri wasn't at L-1.
And there were fights and the town was sturred into chaos.
-Nebby
Yuri was a bad wagon. There wasn't even a real counter before things got derailed.
Ask yourself why, in a Yuri!scum world, there's no counter to the consensus lynch.
Either Yuri is town, or Yuri's scum buddies literally weren't around to push it away from them, or Yuri's scum buddies were 100% fine with bussing.
ABR derailing the wagon after the point where I called for a pause on the rush to end the day doesn't feel like a buddy move. He could have done that earlier.

Whoever wrote this I think Yuri scum and scum peddled a lot of wagons.
I think it was pushed early. The fact the people you are townreading not voting it while claiming to scumread it is just as much of an enigma.

Like I know I am Town and The VCA is just pretty clear that scum are mostly mid front which makes sense as apathy came on at the end.

I really just don't see Yuri scum but VCA says lynch shopping.

~~Math

I can post it here but to be frank I honestly think no one is going to read it and it therefore is spam so I am devoting myself to stopping what I feel are dumb lynches rather than advocating what I think anymore.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:09 pm

Do t see Yuri town*

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:10 pm

Don't see Yuri town**

Fuck my phone

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:19 pm

I don't want to spend a shit ton of time paraphrasing something no one will read :/

~~Math

Hands off Drixx replacement please.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:20 pm

If you want it JaeReed please let me know.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:21 pm

In post 5058, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 5055, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Brian Skies

More lynch shopping :/

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:28 pm

Mainly where he offered to pick up Pyramids and be copped and treestumped and his replace out.

Drixx's value is late game if he is Town.

And he tried to leverage that.

He also tried to fight for what he believed in the arts resolution point.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:31 pm

If he is scum and treestumped why do we care? He is dead. Equivalent to a traitor who can't vote.

If he is Town and treestumped he could split this game wide open. Equivalent to having a personal buddy spoon feed you the scums

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:32 pm

In post 5069, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Didn't Drix said he wasn't able to get Pyramids?

Yeah he did.

Which I found fishy. Literally someone backstabbed the person claiming openly to be copped.

Like seriously.

Brian Skiies is almost like don't touch that ever levels of confirmed to me.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:33 pm

In post 5073, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 5070, The DEO wrote:If he is scum and treestumped why do we care? He is dead. Equivalent to a traitor who can't vote.

If he is Town and treestumped he could split this game wide open. Equivalent to having a personal buddy spoon feed you the scums

~~Math
I remember him saying he didn't get it.

Explain why scum would offer to take the Pyramids when there is also a nightdeath cop on the board

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:34 pm

In post 5075, Nero Cain wrote:
@ABR and Yuri

Are the people defending A+N

A) scum that know he's town
B)scum defending their buddy
C) bad town
D) trolls

I understand that if A+N is scum there will be a mixture of B and C and if town then A and C but can you guys give me some opinions?

E) Good Town

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:37 pm

In post 5077, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 5059, The DEO wrote:If you want it JaeReed please let me know.

~~Math
Yes please. I don't want to just ignore points that you feel are valid even if we disagree. I'd rather us work it out.

Alrighty then. It will take some time.

Please don't do anything crazy like hammer a townread of mine while I am paraphrasing this stuff please.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:38 pm

In post 5084, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5081, The DEO wrote:E) Good Town
you waved that right d1.

How? I said Beeboy lynch was Town and I was right.

What could I do better?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:38 pm

In post 5078, The DEO wrote:
In post 5073, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 5070, The DEO wrote:If he is scum and treestumped why do we care? He is dead. Equivalent to a traitor who can't vote.

If he is Town and treestumped he could split this game wide open. Equivalent to having a personal buddy spoon feed you the scums

~~Math
I remember him saying he didn't get it.
Explain why scum would offer to take the Pyramids when there is also a nightdeath cop on the board

~~Math

LUV please answer.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:40 pm

See the simple solution is Drixx is town.
If you have to make a convoluted chain and your answer is I don't know.
You're probably wrong.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:45 pm

In post 5091, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I never town read him for wanting to take it, more so for recognizing it was the best Wonder available D1. I usually reset my reads after a replacement anyway.

Resetting reads on replace in is admirable.
However when scum don't have day chat on D1
Having scum suggest something that would almost certainly have their slot be copped I don't see.

That isn't based on how he said things.
Unless someone explains this I won't buy Drixx scum.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:47 pm

In post 5095, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5072, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Who should my vote be on right now Ali?
then why ask if you should vote Ali?

...Don't think that happened please reread.

And please answer my question too.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:50 pm

In post 5097, Nero Cain wrote:I am not quoting or talking about an ongoing game. Your attempts to get me modkilled are scummy AF.

I am not asking you to talk about an ongoing game?

I am just asking what I did here that makes me bad Town?

When my defense of Beeboy was right?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:26 pm

~~Math post

Nero -- Me and Titus arguing doesn't makes us bad town. It makes us people who should never ever hydra again.

Spoiler: D1 VCs with beeboy and us colored

I didn't uncolor us green because that take be forever.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:37 pm

Spoiler: None Resolution VC

Let's take a look at who was on the wagon.

None (11): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Sondam, Spiffeh, Albert B. Rampage, Elbirn, Leonshade, Akane and Nebby, Maxous,

beeboy, The DEO

I townread Maxous and A&N. (I know you aren't there on Maxous yet but trust me he's town along with LeonShade)

This means the scums HAVE to be at the front of the wagon.

LUV, Vecna, Sondam, Spiffeh, ABR, Elbrin, and LeonShade

I hard townread Leonshade

So this means at least two scum in LUV, Vecna, Sondam, Spiffeh, ABR, and Elbrin unless you are assuming that is an almost all town wagon.

We both scumread ABR put him RED

LUV, Vecna, Sondam,

ABR

, Elbrin

I townread Maria R.

So at least one scum probably two in LUV, Vecna, Elbrin, Spiffeh...

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:41 pm

Day End Wagon

beeboy (11): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri
Albert B. Rampage (5): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, The DEO, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

Day ending VC apply same standard 2-3 scums on lynch and 2-3 scums off it.

Now let's look at the leading wagons and our prior hypothesis before that 2 of LUV/Vecna/Elbrin/Spiffeh are scum
Elbrin and Spiffeh are on one wagon and LUV and Vecna on the other wagon.

This actually implies something weird as LUV and Vecna and Elbrin and Spiffeh buddy their votes twice on day ending resolutions. Looks like Tinfoil hat of LUV/Vecna/Spiffeh/ABR/Yuri a LOT more likely.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:42 pm

None (11): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Sondam, Spiffeh, Albert B. Rampage, Elbirn, Leonshade, Akane and Nebby, Maxous, beeboy, The DEO
beeboy (11): ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV, Spiffeh, Elbirn, Albert B. Rampage, Fro99er, Creature, Akane and Nebby, Leonshade, Drixx, Yuri

Cross compare who is on both wagons:
Spiffeh, ABR, Elbrin, Leonshade, A&N

Cross comparing two wagons of lynches generally nets half the scumteam in comparisons.

....Spiffeh and ABR.

Spiffeh just shoots to the top of my scumreads beyond Vecna...OMG Math scumreads someone more than Vecna someone call the bullshit police. Math is ACTUALLY changing a lynch priority/reads.

It also means if ABR is not scum I want to lynch Elbrin pretty damn hard.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:42 pm

In post 5110, Spiffeh wrote:Thank you for demonstrating how useless VCA is

Sorry, I don't even endorse a VCA this early but I'm letting Math do their thing.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:42 pm

In post 5110, Spiffeh wrote:Thank you for demonstrating how useless VCA is

Did you even read it?

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:46 pm

Spiffeh....Did you even read it?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:54 pm

In post 5116, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 5114, The DEO wrote:
In post 5110, Spiffeh wrote:Thank you for demonstrating how useless VCA is
Sorry, I don't even endorse a VCA this early but I'm letting Math do their thing.

~Titus
It's cool it's showing everyone else how full of shit they are and terminating any iota of credibility they had remaining.

Hey can you not say stuff like this and just ignore Math if you disagree that bad until you need us? I'm trying to fix bridges with Math to get on the same page and comments like this make it harder.
~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:04 pm

Saying I have no cred doesn't make me wrong. It means I keep trying no matter how painful or til someone explains where I am wrong.

Thing Mafia >> Suggest Andrius and Magna >> Get told I am not good/no cred/etc.

Memory >> Suggest RM or Drealmerz >> Most of the time get shade or AtE.

Like this is a thing. If I have no cred no need to say it. It will reveal itself as no cred.

The fact you are means I have cred.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:07 pm

In post 5128, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5067, The DEO wrote:Mainly where he offered to pick up Pyramids and be copped and treestumped and his replace out.

Drixx's value is late game if he is Town.

And he tried to leverage that.

He also tried to fight for what he believed in the arts resolution point.

~~Math
Not good enough.

Answer the question why scum would do that without day chat to plan for contingencies.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:22 pm

I'm not sure how much more I can stand of this JaeReed if I lose my third rock this game (Drixx and Frogger being the other two). Can you do something else today, like Caesar? We won In Memory because my town rocks got left alive and didn't turn on each other.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:23 pm

Like I could fight you and create more pages, but I really don't want to, JaeReed.

Oh fuck that noise ABR. Like hell, that's personal and you just want me out for your ego, so you attack Vecnar.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:28 pm

In post 5145, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Stop begging Titus, it's unbecoming.

I'm being nice and trying to work with people. I'm hardly begging. You know this. Again, you are STILL trying to make this about me versus you when I try to work with someone else to try and get on the same page. I could tell JaeReed they are wrong and fight with them, but people tend to tune out to that.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:29 pm

Please answer my question why scum would do that ABR or admit that Drixx is probably town. Your vote on Vecna dodges the question.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:29 pm

If anyone ever votes the Drixx spot I expect them to answer that question.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:32 pm

In post 5149, Nero Cain wrote:I'm going to listen to the guy with a best town performance scummy.

And posts like this are why I cannot clear you Nero.

You have tried to pit me versus Math and me versus ABR rather than actually wanting town to work together (since I'm supposing you think ABR is town).

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:33 pm

In post 5149, Nero Cain wrote:I'm going to listen to the guy with a best town performance scummy.

Prior good performance doesn't indicate current alignment.

Otherwise I'd be scum in every game I'm in as I got vigged in Gistou and fooled the most amount of people.

Seriously you're listening to the guy who invented a strongman that literally couldn't exist to justify why scum shot Frogger? Instead when it points to ABR scum.

~~Math

ABR -- Still waiting on that answer.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:33 pm

In post 5150, Albert B. Rampage wrote:No, it's pathetic. You pull your knives out for me and try to lull the others with sweet talk. It's all a ruse to turn the tables on me and get what you want. You can't overwhelm the thread when I'm in the game and you hate it.

Oh please. You're just pissed I won't let you bully everyone into submission. This is why I don't play with you. I pull out knives for you because you don't treat me or anyone else who disagrees with you with a modicum of respect.

That vote on Vecna was personal about you trying to establish control by knocking out everyone who works with me, and its pathetic.

I'm going to go to bed. I'm not too "overwhelming" when I'm asleep.

~Titus

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:35 pm

In post 5150, Albert B. Rampage wrote:No, it's pathetic. You pull your knives out for me and try to lull the others with sweet talk. It's all a ruse to turn the tables on me and get what you want. You can't overwhelm the thread when I'm in the game and you hate it.

While I agree with you at points ABR posts like this don't help. Please interact with me. If you're scum then try to get me to lynch a townie. If you're town try to get me to lynch scum.

Please answer my question ABR

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:37 pm

Titus is going to bed let's talk JaeReed...Did you get a chance to see my VCA or did it get drowned out?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:38 pm

In post 5154, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You can't beat me with numbers. You can't beat me with heigthened activity. It's over for you. Leave your feelings under the bed tomorrow morning, meet me halfway, and we'll scumhunt.

Ever the politician aren't you. Caesar is meeting you half way, and is the larger wagon.

Lynching my townreads isn't that. Leave your ego under yours if town and realize its ok to follow a scumread I had first.

I actually like Mathblade and I won't vote Vecna for them. No amount of grandstanding from you will.

You wanna work shit out, vote Caesar.

Good night. Happy V Day.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:40 pm

In post 5157, Nero Cain wrote:I am pushing my top scumread and their lynch is getting stonewalled and some are outright avoiding giving answers (Spiffy calling her bad town but not explaining why her d1 post about ABR comes from bad town) and most are just falling back on this lazy meta read junk.

Nero I'm telling you right now, you'd need to lynch us before A&N. That's how damn sure I am A&N is town. If you want to talk about it let me know. But like Titus and I agree and it's like pretty plainly obvious to us. There's lots of reasons for it. Is it possible she's scum? Yes I don't have A&N's role PM. But what I do know is that I have a .000000001 % chance of believing she is scum based on certain things in game. Like if A&N is scum they need a scummy type levels.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:40 pm

In post 5156, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:
In post 5140, The DEO wrote:I'm not sure how much more I can stand of this JaeReed if I lose my third rock this game (Drixx and Frogger being the other two). Can you do something else today, like Caesar? We won In Memory because my town rocks got left alive and didn't turn on each other.

~Titus
I feel like you're just wanting to policy lynch Caesar. It's a lot like the Yuri lynch was looking to be shaping up to be, where it's consensus because people are scum and/or too lazy to scumhunt.

In Memory you actually refused to lynch my scumread because you thought he was town. Vaxkiller. It was only because Math derphammered that we got that. I would have had you as hard scum if it weren't for Math being in that hydra.

I'm pretty sure you've just been buddied up to here. Even you couldn't give me a reason for Vecna being town. Why do you think Vecna is town? I can't see whatever it is you're seeing, and I feel like you're ignoring the cases I present because you don't want to see what it is I'm seeing.

I want to work with you, I really do, but it feels like you only want me to blindly sheep you and that's the kind of behaviour I'm in this hydra to try to get away from in order to improve my game.

Alright, I can give you reasons but why. He's town. Caesar isn't. Caesar is scum obscuring himself. Vecna isn't.

*shrug* Reasons come later if you need em but I need sleep.

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:45 pm

In post 5163, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 5160, The DEO wrote:But what I do know is that I have a .000000001 % chance of believing she is scum based on certain things in game.
Why not tell me about these things.

Because the 99.9999999999% (I didn't count the 9's) is what I focus on.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:50 pm

In post 5167, Albert B. Rampage wrote:@Math I didn't like the replace out. And scum don't need to coordinate, they just do what they can to pretend they look town and it was a good position to have. Nothing he cant do as scum.

So you are saying that without talking with his buddies Drixx said "COME COP ME" and since Drixx is one of the best players on MS that he would gambit that wouldn't be followed?

Scum had no RB that night it has been proven.
If town ever got a vig that is scum suicide. Drixx would never do that.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:00 pm

@JaeReed -- Without analysis it's just the vote counts. Like I don't have my reads in mind. I colored beeboy and myself. Then saw the tail end of the list being green. So I worked backwards...Do I townread this person Yes no >> IF yes what follows. If no what follows. Repeat >> If I get into conflict logically one of my reads has to be wrong. If I don't I'm probably right in my reads or have my scumreads as town and townreads as scum. Like I could go around all the conclusions and get various scum teams.

However the fact that the None wagon having me and Beeboy at the end necessarily means it's either an all town wagon or scum are towards the middle/front. Unless you scumread us that's a fact.

I don't know what to tell you. I do VCA start from facts. Then go to most likely. Then you have your answer. KIS.

@Nero -- Please explain why you don't. Because my read isn't meta. You didn't ask why I townread A&N.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:10 pm

In post 576, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 570, Maxous wrote:
In post 565, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 564, Maxous wrote:Random vote on Nero doesn't help
You discrediting the vote and describing it as random is scummy.
The fact that you didn't try to hear him out is scummy.
Everything about this one line is scummy.

-Nebby
Unexplained vote then.
w/e. Semantics.
You know what I mean
DEO's and Maria's votes are unexplained along with Uzi's. Why aren't you scumreading them?
And ya know what, let's play a little game.
No, I don't know what you mean, please explain it to me.

In post 571, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 568, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 567, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm not interested in explaining that right now. It's scum hunting time.
Oh look, more evasion.

-Nebby
Yeah I'm evading because me talking about that list is just going to lead us back to setup and mechanic talk.

Talk to me about why you voted None yet calling my reasoning for not wanting to vote Sciences shit. Talk to me about how asking the mod for you 2 to sign your posts with your actually names is scummy or even implies I'm scum reading your slot. Talk to me about how a meta read has no depth.
You assigned certain people to that list for a reason and I want to know why you want those certain people having those certain wonders.

I voted None because both me and Akane agree with Vecna's points, and we want to start pushing our scumreads.
That's gutpings.
The problem with Meta is that you're using it as an excuse to give a shallow read.

In post 572, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 569, Akane and Nebby wrote:Also town!Uzi townhunts.
Scum!Uzi (as seen in Large Normal 200) scumhunts.

That one line is also LAMIST as fuck along with it goes along the lines of "Hey, let's look like I'm doing something" and "Hey, let's saying I'm going to be doing things but not do things."

-Nebby
I've been town hunting. When I'm saying probably not scum I usually mean null or town.
YOU JUST SAID LET'S START SCUMHUNTING!

-Nebby

Nebby's push here is really freaking townie. Whether LUV and Maxous are town are scum is irrelevant here.

Nebby head is factual and direct and has a strong opinion straight out of the gate when most of the thread is lurktastic and just barely limping in.

Nebby has had way too many opinions and poked way too many people in a similar manner to be scum. She's like advertised everything she is doing in a clear direct manner. I don't always agree with her, but I can clearly tell she has town's best interests at heart.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:18 pm

Yes they can be. But eventually scum devolve. They can't keep that up. Eventually it falls apart. Unless they have a plan from the first kill to the last mislynch they generally can't keep up the narrative.
It's about how the pushes are.

I think you are wrong on nearly all your scumreads Nero, but I townread you. It's because of what you are doing and what you are saying and "how you are pushing". It indicates a genuine belief and "I don't give a fuck if people like me I'm going to demonstrate my case." It doesn't mean arrogance you're right. It means arrogance your case has merit. Scum have to care about the "likable" part.

I fully believe you think A&N is scum. I just also fully believe you are wrong.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:21 pm

In post 5182, Nero Cain wrote:I'd also add that their attack on Max is basically a chainsaw defense of Spif. I don't think that Max not like a unexplained vote is scummy and Ali painting it as such actually is scummy. + the line "The fact that you didn't try to hear him out is scummy." is actually really bad. Like he was no where near getting lynched so why would a presumably townNebby care about how Max felt?

That's actually one of the better lines. It shows a lack of scumhunting. To not read what someone is typing is bad.
You care because you want your reads to be right.

It doesn't matter the position of the wagon. It matters the alignment of the person.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:26 pm

It's the fact it was called "random" without reason that is the problem. That's what A&N attacked. Like I don't get what you're asking about. Can you try again in a different way? I don't see the issue.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:40 pm

In post 5187, Nero Cain wrote:So Max had opinions on what Spiff said. That's not ignoring what he said. That's straight up scum posting getting in the middle of argument.

Spiff isn't in that quote at all. What are you talking about?

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:44 pm

In post 5191, Nero Cain wrote:your chain link is basically A+N fussing at Max over Max Spiff vote. your quoted 526 isn't even the whole post. Why?

Because the point is the tone and how she hunts over many many posts.

Oh and JaeReed is town too.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:49 pm

In post 5188, NoticeMeSenpai wrote:@Math hmm ok. I like to look for [REDACTED] with mine. I feel like you already know one of the techniques I use which so far seems really reliable for me but comes in after at least two lynches.

I'll re-ISO Spiffeh for you, as I really don't want to just brush you off, but from what I remember he just seemed town to me. I just really don't want to do it right now, so it'll have to be tonight or tomorrow depending on how I feel later.

Honestly I can't think of it atm. I feel really discouraged and well. Like if I post a word of what I think some random person goes "It's Math" Despite the fact I have actually a deceent to average record. I'm just swingy.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:50 pm

In post 5194, Nero Cain wrote:ok, that was early d1. What do you think of her current posting?

Town as fuck...Otherwise I wouldn't be townreading her lol.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:56 pm

In post 5058, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 5055, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Brian Skies

Like this one. It is a pic so what? It is short direct to the point.
Takes a clear stance on a random vote hopped in and it is on a slot that is obv Town.

Like that is good scum hunting 101 make people explain.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:57 pm

When I have the exact same reaction to the post in the exact same amount of time...It's probably because we share an alignment. (And hint I'm town)

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:02 pm

JaeReed do you have further questions or can I go to bed? I kinda wanna stay up later for you since no one is normally on when you are. Then other people can see you game solve.

~~Math

The DEO · Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:34 pm

In post 5205, Nero Cain wrote:I mean, I'm just not going to agree. Maybe I'm right. Maybe everyone telling me I'm wrong means I'm wrong . I just don't feel like he's real townie. I feel like him blaming ABR for EOD was p sad. Calling me confbias but scum doesn't go together.

I'm also a little bit confused but that post of his with the cookie monster picture that you are calling so fucking town.

Your original reaction was that he was "lynch shopping". Why would town do that?

I also blame ABR for EOD and so there for I am sad. Sad townies unite to lynch scums.

Scum lynch shop.

I like don't see what you are talking about with Maxous and A&N those are two different worlds of posts.

I am sleepy JaeReed isn't on.

If you think Spiffeh is scum push Spiffeh if Spiffeh flips scum we lynch Yuri if Yuri flips scum we lynch ABR.

That is my ideal world.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:06 am

Math is letting me claim. She doesn't quite get this. We have a plan. We die tonight unless scum have a doctor. Every vig shot option presented one of us townreads and we cannot get the vig to shoot ABR (and I am not sure he's scum rather than just Anti-Titus).

Our hydra has zero chance of reconciling with ABR playing Math's emotions like he is. I am sure Math has another reason for this, but it's irrelevant. We die in order to leave the rest of you in a better state for solving the game.

If a town was getting vigged anyway, might as well clear up some issues regarding the gamestate and remove a conflicting voice. We have our target in mind and are not taking submissions.

Now, normally I would take submissions, but the town is too fractured to expect a scum bus. The possibility of a flip beyond their control may fracture the scumteam.

Caesar or ABR. Git her done.

~Titus

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:08 am

To be clear, we are Stonehenge. We drafted it to work with Drixx.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:13 am

In post 5272, Creature wrote:Looks fair, if scum wants to get rid of you, they'll have to risk a cop guilty.

We are never getting shot by scum with one of our heads being totally wrong about the game and not reaching a compromise (we just disagree which head is wrong).

We are fractured along the same lines as town. We must be vigged tonight. No one picked up my hints, so we have to be direct.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:24 am

ABR please.

Caesar is a townread.

And Creature to answer your question Spiffeh and LUV.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:25 am

And I disagree about the bus.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:29 am

In post 5277, Leonshade wrote:VOTE: Caesar

DEO, you could have just... not claimed Stonehenge.

We have to.

Sodham hearing we want to die in place of LUV for instance does nothing with Math's head wanting a LUV scumread, and that's assuming they are town.

ABR, you want to do the honors and shoot me?

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:33 am

In post 5281, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5279, The DEO wrote:ABR, you want to do the honors and shoot me?
I don't vig townreads.

Yeah, you've lynched me before. You don't want this gamestate resolved. Just vig us.

I am literally asking you to silence us. All you have to do is do it. You think I am antitown and suck anyway, so what's your problem? Want a punching bag?

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:34 am

In post 5283, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Accept that I'm town. Let Mathblade scumhunt. Play like Mastin does, as an advisor who keeps her peace in the thread. Then we can get on with this game.

No, because I didn't join to play advisor. I did not join to be told to sit down and shut up.

You'd vig me if you really thought I was wrong. Just shoot me, then you can wreck the town anyway.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:39 am

In post 5288, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5284, The DEO wrote:
In post 5281, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5279, The DEO wrote:ABR, you want to do the honors and shoot me?
I don't vig townreads.
Yeah, you've lynched me before. You don't want this gamestate resolved. Just vig us.

I am literally asking you to silence us. All you have to do is do it. You think I am antitown and suck anyway, so what's your problem? Want a punching bag?
I told you what I want. Your slot is obvtown and Mathblade is a good player. Not only good but influential and can bring together a coallition. You don't have that ability because you're too volatile and stubborn.

There already is a coalition. You see the votes in Caesar and you. That's my townblock.

Your resolution against doing whatever I need is that I suck and should listen to Math.

Why don't you work with me and shoot us? You need someone to feel better than and you're playing to Math's pride rather than helping them see they need to work with town blocks even if they did not pick them.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:43 am

In post 5290, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Wrong. I always try to win, it isn't personal.

Oh this is personal if you are town. Our hydra is the most dissonant thing in the thread. We have the most posts. We are stopping others from hunting with our sheer volume. Your abusive nature and needing to be shown right is not keeping the posts down either.

With you yelling, I am right constantly, never reassessing and emotionally manipulating my hydra head, we will never get in sync. They know you are doing it too, which is why they let me claim. They just don't think you're abusive.

Help others solve the game. Vig us.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:45 am

In post 5288, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5284, The DEO wrote:
In post 5281, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5279, The DEO wrote:ABR, you want to do the honors and shoot me?
I don't vig townreads.
Yeah, you've lynched me before. You don't want this gamestate resolved. Just vig us.

I am literally asking you to silence us. All you have to do is do it. You think I am antitown and suck anyway, so what's your problem? Want a punching bag?
I told you what I want. Your slot is obvtown and Mathblade is a good player. Not only good but influential and can bring together a coallition. You don't have that ability because you're too volatile and stubborn.

Honestly I scumread pretty much all the active players.

I can't even get Titus to keep the vote on you because "town" has decided Caesar.

I scumread you and any time I pressure anyone I am told I am not allowed to.

~~Math

At this point I am going to not post and let people talk with Titus.

We are Stonehenge. Meh :/

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:47 am

The thing I admit is Icould be wrong on you ABR.
But I can't hunt :/

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:47 am

In post 5293, Albert B. Rampage wrote:You've lost your marbles, Titus, I'm going to leave you be for a week until you regain your composure.

Translation: I am going to lurk and figure out how I can be top honco and pray that no one vigs us.

Think of someone other than yourself.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:48 am

In post 5296, Albert B. Rampage wrote:And for the sake of this town we both better start building some trust between us because we're both town.

No. It isn't. It's just proving, yet again it's all about you rather than what anyone else needs or you are scum.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:51 am

In post 5299, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are both too controversial to NK so we will be back here day 3, day 4, etc.

We have to build trust.

You have a week to put your emotions away.

Which is why we must be vigged.

You are playing to people's emotions by claiming I have to "put my emotions away". I thought about this for days before approaching Math. The game needs our death.

Painting me as unreasonable/emotional rather than considering others is a dick move ABR.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:55 am

In post 5300, Spiffeh wrote:DEO honestly just needs to stop posting.

Nothing either head is doing is helpful right now. Titus keeps arguing with ABR and is now proposing a ridiculous plan, Mathblade has a set scum team in their mind and constructs a narrative based on those assumptions when it should be the other way around.

Stop acknowledging them, they're not "leading" town, they don't decide anything.

How am I supposed to hunt or play if I can't post?

Like :/

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:55 am

In post 5300, Spiffeh wrote:DEO honestly just needs to stop posting.

Nothing either head is doing is helpful right now. Titus keeps arguing with ABR and is now proposing a ridiculous plan, Mathblade has a set scum team in their mind and constructs a narrative based on those assumptions when it should be the other way around.

Stop acknowledging them, they're not "leading" town, they don't decide anything.

This dissonance isn't going anywhere. No amount of silence is getting me to compromise with someone who thinks they solved the game.

It's not a ridiculous plan to help others scumhunt, it prevents scum from winning vig in priority and shooting two obvious towns and on Day 4, we'll get a strong voice to listen to.

The only downside is I die, and I always say no one town is more important than any other. I am owning it.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:56 am

When my scumread says not to post and not hunt do you think that is what I would do?

And for the millionth time that isn't what I am doing :/

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:59 am

In post 5305, The DEO wrote:
In post 5300, Spiffeh wrote:DEO honestly just needs to stop posting.

Nothing either head is doing is helpful right now. Titus keeps arguing with ABR and is now proposing a ridiculous plan, Mathblade has a set scum team in their mind and constructs a narrative based on those assumptions when it should be the other way around.

Stop acknowledging them, they're not "leading" town, they don't decide anything.
This dissonance isn't going anywhere. No amount of silence is getting me to compromise with someone who thinks they solved the game.

It's not a ridiculous plan to help others scumhunt, it prevents scum from winning vig in priority and shooting two obvious towns and on Day 4, we'll get a strong voice to listen to.

The only downside is I die, and I always say no one town is more important than any other. I am owning it.

For the millionth time I have never asked for silence.

I don't think I have solved it.

I just never vote outside my top X scumreads.

Where X is likely scums remaining.
~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:00 am

In post 5307, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5302, The DEO wrote:
In post 5299, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are both too controversial to NK so we will be back here day 3, day 4, etc.

We have to build trust.

You have a week to put your emotions away.
Which is why we must be vigged.

You are playing to people's emotions by claiming I have to "put my emotions away". I thought about this for days before approaching Math. The game needs our death.

Painting me as unreasonable/emotional rather than considering others is a dick move ABR.
You're like a spoiled child threatening suicide and you need a timeout. This is the last post I will write to you until you think long and hard about what's good for this town. Not for what ends your "suffering". It's a game, try to enjoy yourself.

Yeah, comparing me to a spoiled child and belittling me is an excellent way to get me to reconsider my beliefs ABR.

You always have to be better than me. You've been grandstanding and emotionally abusive the whole time. Plus, you now diminish real people with real issues.

Kill me. If you refuse, I would pray Nero would.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:02 am

In post 5308, davesaz wrote:
In post 5287, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 5199, davesaz wrote:I could be a nice guy and point Spiffeh to a place where I had trouble reading him. I am indeed being honest here that I have no confidence in that read at this point. But it's late...
Can you do this now please?
It's a challenge to find a game we're both in. But if you look here you'll see that I didn't think I could read you back then either.
Musical mafia
Do you have one where I was certain of my read in the first couple days?

Pedit: there is more than one way to deal with toxicity between a pair of players in a game. If you have to weigh the fun of 1 or 2 people against the fun of 20+, strong action may be required to protect the 20+.

Someone gets it.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:27 am

Try arguing itfor three hours with Titus Vecna.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:29 am

In post 5315, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 3260, Fro99er wrote:
In post 3257, Akane and Nebby wrote:
In post 3253, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Scum will night kill me because they will never be able to get me lynched and I had soft a PR a while back.
Why are you saying you softed?.
LOOOOOOOOOOOL

WHO SOFTS IN THIS GAME

Called a shit post.

~~Math

LUV does them as either alignment. I scumread them but this reason is bad.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:32 am

In post 5324, davesaz wrote:
In post 5312, The DEO wrote:
In post 5308, davesaz wrote: Pedit: there is more than one way to deal with toxicity between a pair of players in a game. If you have to weigh the fun of 1 or 2 people against the fun of 20+, strong action may be required to protect the 20+.
Someone gets it.
I'm thinking more along the lines of a way to remove the toxicity without removing the slot. With or without consent.

I cannot get ABR force replaced or Math removed from hydra.

This is the sole option.

@Vecna, Pyramids should not claim.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:38 am

Titus thought she knew who they were.

Obviously she is mistaken.

I agree with you Pyramids should claim.

Which is odd because I SR you.
~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:39 am

ObvPramid is obvious.

There is one person who I have faith their flip rallies town.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:42 am

In post 5330, Vecna wrote:How about you just stop your weaksauce stuff, and we LYNCH ABR instead of Ceasar.

Really there is plenty of people willing to.

We can deal with your hydra dissonance like NP.

Noone is complaining about it, noone at all - except for 1 person that is feeding into it. And he is easily removed.

I wish that were true.

I said Caesar or ABR. Caesar not ABR was the choice.

Lots of ppl complain about game size. Look at overview of posts

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:43 am

In post 5330, Vecna wrote:How about you just stop your weaksauce stuff, and we LYNCH ABR instead of Ceasar.

Really there is plenty of people willing to.

We can deal with your hydra dissonance like NP.

Noone is complaining about it, noone at all - except for 1 person that is feeding into it. And he is easily removed.

Please ...:Just say if you are the Pyramids or not Vecna. Me telling her you are claiming not Pyramids is not working.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:45 am

I would change the vote but Titus would change it back but I am there in spirit. I will let you bus.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:46 am

In post 5335, Vecna wrote:I do not have the pyramids. Not going anywhere else with my claim

Thank you.

~~Math

I am just blah ATM.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:47 am

VOTE: ABR

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:48 am

In post 5339, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 5131, The DEO wrote:
In post 5128, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 5067, The DEO wrote:Mainly where he offered to pick up Pyramids and be copped and treestumped and his replace out.

Drixx's value is late game if he is Town.

And he tried to leverage that.

He also tried to fight for what he believed in the arts resolution point.

~~Math
The claim was made D1. Wonders get built EoD per first post.

They would have had no way to communicate during D1 which is my point.

~~Math

It was why we took Stonehenge in the first place.
Not good enough.
Answer the question why scum would do that without day chat to plan for contingencies.

~~Math
I don't get this question. Daychat was available as a wonder day1.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:49 am

Fuck my phone answer is in the middle of the post PV.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:52 am

If you are Pyramids and don't out it is a scumclaim.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:57 am

PV were you able to find my answer?

Assuming you are not Pyramids?

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:12 am

No.

We target Pyramids.
Lynch ABR.

We need to know if treestump is town or not.

Titus claim was stupid and I should have fought more and didn't because I was exhausted.

Please let me fix it.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:14 am

In post 5352, Creature wrote:Should we make The Pyramids claim (and assume that if it doesn't claim it's scum)?

Absofucking lutely at this point.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:17 am

Titus claiming believing Vecna pyramids screwed it.
I just can't disagree with her *sigh*
I am not allowed to hunt ABR because he is scum manipulating me.
Now I am not allowed to vote him because she Town reads him
Which I just want to get there.
Not be a constant steeple.

Pyramids claim.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:19 am

In post 5356, Maxous wrote:Treestump will be auto-lynched eventually anyway, so I don't give a shit.
People were told to leave it to Drixx for a reason, obviously somebody didn't.

ABR's alignment is FAR more useful here.
If he is town, I don't want him lynched and let the rest of the spam posters run riot.

There are no spam posters.
We are all playing the game.
While I disagree with Titus she isn't a scum poster.

While ABR is a widely held scumread there is no reason to Stonehenge him.

We Stonehenge Pyramids.

Treestump has to be known.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:20 am

Spam *

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:21 am

I am much more concerned about who took Pyramids from Drixx.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:31 am

Scum would have to have shot themselves after getting Pyramids if it was Drixx.

Anyone who got Stonehenge was going to be on Drixx.

Wonders get built end of D1.

Daychat wouldn't exist til today.

As scum Drixx would commit to killing himself the first day regardless of what happened in thread to avoid the cop.
but he would still be copped from Stonehenge.

Drixx just doesn't make that play. It is scum suicide.

@A&N -- You the pyramids? Kinda doubt it but still gotta ask.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:32 am

In post 5364, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 5348, Maxous wrote:Honestly I'm fine with the plan.
DEO targets ABR with the Stonehenge, someone vigs DEO and that'll honestly solve a lot of problems going on here.
Fuck this shit

World ending Spiffeh and I agree.

~~Math

Pyramids claim now.

Maxous /Spiffeh are you Pyramids?

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:44 am

In post 5375, Creature wrote:Still think that, if we lynch someone and it's a treestump, we treat him/her as scum.

Unless it is Town.

Pyramids lets us confirm that.

Titus thought she knew who Pyramids was and that I would never reconcile with her and so she suggested we die.
She didn't want to subout and all I was saying is we need time.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:45 am

Pyramids entire point is to die.

They should have 0 problem being checked.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:46 am

Drixx may have really wanted it and didn't get it.
Titus and Drixx may have not listened to people.
So what?

They were both obvTown for doing it and we need to find the person who stopped them.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:50 am

In post 5381, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:All of these Wonders just suck to be honest. Modern Era should give us better ones.

In post 385, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:My other two scum games on my wiki are more indicative of how I play scum.

@A&N: These Wonders suck. Wait for the Modern Era!

In post 391, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:@A&N: Trust me, it has something better! I can't say anymore since I'll probably get modkilled.

In post 514, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Every era will probably have better Wonders then this one.

In post 539, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Modern Era will probably bring more complex and unique roles that could potentially help with alignment sorting.
Stuff like thismakes it seem like Lil Uzi knew better wonders were coming. Part of that as supposition makes sense. Statment of it as fact does not.

But, I did not want to lynch him day1 because I felt that if he were scum and knew the next days wonders, he wouldn't discourage town from buying them, what with better ones coming.

Mod's answer did not confirm that all players were vanilla, because if so, the most efficient answer would be "Yes".

But, since it is now day2, I want to delve more into this.

Yay someone else sees LUV possible scum based on beginning of day posting.
He IMHO is trying to make sure everyone piles on a given era.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:51 am

In post 5356, Maxous wrote:Treestump will be auto-lynched eventually anyway, so I don't give a shit.
People were told to leave it to Drixx for a reason, obviously somebody didn't.

ABR's alignment is FAR more useful here.
If he is town, I don't want him lynched and let the rest of the spam posters run riot.

Pyramids is scum. Like Titus and Drixx rule this town. The only townie that would take it is Vecna.

ABR needs to be removed at this point. All he is doing is pitting Math and I against each other. Yet, that will never happen with Math being here nearly convincing me ABR is town pushing him for memory lapses and crap.

With those two undermining me, I cannot function. I cannot call out PV, Caesar and SSM coasting.

Yet, I am not entitled to an ABR lynch no more than he is entitled to lynch Vecna.

I asked the thread what they needed. They picked Caesar. Our hydra will not get in sync as long as ABR is alive.

Town needs to unify around someone or lynch a scum voice.

Us dying accomplishes that.

If I thought there was any other way, I would have proposed it to Math but the thread would not policy/scum lynch ABR. They aren't asking Math to leave and yet complaining about the toxic effects of the three of us in the game. ABR will never agree with my read because it is me.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:52 am

In post 5383, Spiffeh wrote:Anyone furthering DEO's ridiculous agenda without question is probably scum

Like Maxous

We don't "have authority".

I am not controlling or manipulating.

I am just saying Pyramids claims today and gets scumchecked by us if we ever die. If they don't they are scum.

The entire purpose of that slot is to die.

Are you Pyramids Spiffeh?

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:56 am

In post 5395, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 5385, Akane and Nebby wrote:Spif who does have authority to you?
Also PV where you at with reads?
-Nebby
Not one singular player

Grouping up players that town read each other and deciding together is fine

Being a controlling overlord and saying things like "this is what town wants so this is the lynch for today" is not ok.

I am not doing that Spiffeh Titus is.

All I am doing is stating my opinion and it seems logical.

Explain how Pyramids not claiming is protown?

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:57 am

You haven't explained it once.

~~Math

Leonshade is asking you too.

Vecna sees Pyramids should claim.
I am guessing A&N sees it from answering the question.

Like I don't see anyone saying why Pyramids shouldn't claim.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:59 am

Much rather ABR. But if I have to do the others Elbrin and Kyuoko although the latter feels like policy.

Creature are you the pyramids?
Leonshade?

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:00 am

PV you Pyramids?

PV I could hug you. You has my reads and I am not entirely mad.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:02 am

I have a post by post breakdown of LUV in my PT where I think he throws more shade than ever.
Part of that is wonders.
(First 11 pages only)

Mainly was trying to see if none push was AI.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:03 am

Guess what...

Stonehenge doesn't kill the treestump!!

It only cops them!!

So scum have to waste a kill on the IC treestump or we get a scum lynch.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:04 am

In post 5412, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 5408, The DEO wrote:Much rather ABR. But if I have to do the others Elbrin and Kyuoko although the latter feels like policy.

Creature are you the pyramids?
Leonshade?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

See, we are not possible to get in sync Creature.

Just lynch Caesar and vig us please.

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:08 am

ABR /PV Are you Pyramids?

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:09 am

In post 5422, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 5417, The DEO wrote:Guess what...

Stonehenge doesn't kill the treestump!!

It only cops them!!

So scum have to waste a kill on the IC treestump or we get a scum lynch.

~~Math
If scum know who treestump is they KNOW to kill elsewhere and hit something/someone more valuable.

THE WHOLE POINT OF TREESTUMP IS TO DRAW A SCUM KILL AND MAKE IT USELESS

YOU DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING READ WHAT I SAID

I did. I disagree and so does the rest of Town.

Pyramids claims.

Janitored scum is too damn risky.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:11 am

In post 5426, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 5423, The DEO wrote:ABR /PV Are you Pyramids?

~~Math
Never fucking join a game with me again

Because I scumread you.

The last person who did this shit with AtE of how "complicated" it was was scum.
Please stop saying I am doing "something" wrong.

If scum don't kill the IC treestump then it has literally the same effect conf town.
And we don't have to worry about scum treestump.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:12 am

In post 5428, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 5411, The DEO wrote:PV you Pyramids?

PV I could hug you. You has my reads and I am not entirely mad.

~~Math
No, i'm the doctor and I protected Spiffeh, becasue he bleeds green.

What are your thoughts on the content I posted in 5381?

Awesome then ABR is scum or you are and you "bleed green" to me.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:16 am

In post 5437, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 5423, The DEO wrote:ABR /PV Are you Pyramids?

~~Math
I neighborized ABR last night. He said he's not scum. I think he is telling the truth.

I don't believe you.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:17 am

In post 5449, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 5441, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 5425, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Math for the last time, I'm town.

And can we stop speculating about the Wonders?
Actually, 5381 is meant mostly for you. You were very talkative about them yesterday.
Yes but I didn't claim like you and The DEO just did. I just stressed why they suck and why we should wait.

PV is trolling pretty damn sure of it.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:20 am

In post 5451, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 5435, Leonshade wrote:Is that a real claim PV?
No, I took Zeus and the moment I'm shot, DEO is out of here with me.

(Sorry Math, Titus, but you are very much pulling people's focus.)

That is fine.

Now all we need is Pyramids to claim so we have use of Stonehenge.

~~Math

The DEO · Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:21 am

In post 5457, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Stop claiming

Gee all my scumreads say stop claiming.

When the only thing that should is Pyramids.

~~Math