~laundry~ FIN

[Toogeloo]

This is how I do my laundry, much to my wife's dismay.

Also, feeling good about Desperado currently. Tammy is making me moist too.






I should probably read past page 1 though.

[Toogeloo]

addendum to partial claim: I have an unusual role, one I am familiar with, but I don't recall ever seeing actually used before.

Sock Puppet Jester?





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No way in hell I'm gonna keep up with all these moist posts. Mini-game done for me lol.

[Toogeloo]

Fire, you jestering bro?

Nope... nope... nope... I already called you out on Jestering, you can't pre-back-pedal your way out of this one. I saw that Confederate Picture of you, and everyone knows Confederates don't wash their clothes.

[Toogeloo]

Oh, and I

might

have a self inflicted posting restriction with having to post funny laundry related images in every post...





...don't hate.

[Toogeloo]

AFAIK, the MOIST thing is a mini-game to win shout out prizes at the end of the game from the mod. Most "Moist" content related posts wins. Now, that's not really fair to people who die early, don't post much, or are missing the m, o, i, s, or t keys on their keyboards. Still, it's entirely possible EP is fucking with us (he wouldn't do that would he? EP is such a fine upstanding and noble host, right?).


It is definitely interesting to see some people claim it as a modifier where others see it as the same thing I do, a mini-game that isn't supposed to be game related, and then there are people who seem to be completely unaware of it's part of the game.

[Toogeloo]

Town Reads:
Desperado
Tammy
MariaR

IGMEOY
Andrius

Scum Reads:
Pine
SAD (cuz it's popular and he smells like underwear I've been wearing all week)





Thought I did this last night...

Vote: Pine

[Toogeloo]

I just want my rightful title! Damn you, title fairy!!!

Some of us just aren't memorable enough for titles.

[Toogeloo]

I mean I got lynched Day 2 and I didn't give a fuck and I could get lynched this game today and I wouldn't give a fuck.

So you really don't care about your survival, like at all? Do you even want to play, or are you already going through the motions?

You can feel free to vote me if you're not!

I want you to get lynched with vengeance when I flip town.

Has this

ever

happened? Day X, Persona A gets lynched, Day after X, Person B gets lynched as per Person A's request?

If he wants to pull shit out of his ass to suck up

Where else would he pull shit out?

You mean I was right on my townread that no one listened too :O

Have we had a flip yet that I am unaware of?

yes he was Arthur was at L-1 that's a serious thing that happened as he was calling for more votes and a hammer.

I actually wouldn't have minded if this happened. Sometimes the most off the wall day 1 quick lynches can setup town for an amazing town block early should they catch scum. Worst case is we get rid of someone who isn't really willing to work with town or be a detriment down the line.

BTW it's been too long. Was it Nacho or Notty who diffuses TvTs as scum?

Nacho's posts were more IIOA and not really much of anything other than arbitration. Any alignment could have done that, and Nacho is pretty savvy as either alignment.

I diffuse TvTs as scum frequently, but this was a move coming from Nacho the human being as opposed to Nacho the player.

Case in point. It could simply for generating posts, or maybe a caring individual, either way there wasn't any content in the arbitration.

Also nacho does sometimes diffuse arguments as scum, but I kinda feel like as scum he'd do it differently.

He didn't really do anything though.

VOTE: Gerry

Don't give up so easily...

Unvote;
Vote: SAD

[Toogeloo]

Hmm I think Toogelo's post overall p scummy.

His early parts read as forced justification to vote me but they don't address anything I have done as scummy and I have no idea where his scumread comes from.

Also justifying a vote with "Worst case is we get rid of someone who isn't really willing to work with town or be a detriment down the line" is terrible.

Yeah overall reads like he's trying to beat a dead-horse and doesn't want me to get townread.

Yeah, I was working myself up into the vote. You are still worthy of it more than any other player currently.

[Toogeloo]

euces I'm out for the night I gotta do a bunch of work.

Does it include.... laundry?

[Toogeloo]

Not that hard to read the directions on the tag of your clothes

Reading is obviously hard, otherwise mafia would be easy.

[Toogeloo]

Scum Reads:Pine

Toogeloo.
What.
Why.

Because he's aligned with the dirty Confederation, and we all know they don't wash anything.



.....



Yeah, I dunno. I had that read like 3 hours into the game, so it was mostly RVSish still I guess.

[Toogeloo]

Changed my mind. Through page 23 and [Frogger, Tammy, Nacho] all better.

That would move Nacho and Tammy up out of your scum reads, or no?

[Toogeloo]

Unvote;
Vote: Nosferatu

SAD can be town now. 732 is an amazing town post.

[Toogeloo]

I'd totally support an Andrius wagon for great pressure, but he's V/LA, so any push there isn't going to amount to anything currently.

[Toogeloo]

For someone who also claimed post restriction with pictures, he also has had some posts that didn't include any (440, 672, 679, 718)

Reading is obviously hard, otherwise mafia would be easy.

Oh, and I

might

have a

self inflicted

posting restriction with having to post funny laundry related images in every post...

[Toogeloo]

It's mostly time related. If I have time to find a picture, I'll post it. But if I don't and only have time to drop in and be glib, that's all I'll do.

[Toogeloo]

Well, hell, if you're here...

Unvote;
Vote: Andrius

Address and defend your reads list since it's come under scrutiny that you are playing it very safely and generic. If you feel better about Tammy and Nacho, why do you still consider them scum? Why do you feel better about Fro99er, but he was already a town read?

[Toogeloo]

Do you really have V/LA status or are you using it as excuse to be away from the topic and let other issues fester?
What makes you confident about your early town bloc of players that were all on SAD?
What are your current impressions of SAD after the last page or so?
Did you kill Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman?
Do you think Socks are actually Mafia?
Are you a Moist Towelette?
You have 30 minutes, do you plan to do anything with it?

[Toogeloo]

Is it because Now has done jack all, because that's why I originally voted him?

[Toogeloo]

Yeah....andy was acting odd around Tammy.
Like really odd.

Like the conversation didn't feel normal in anyway.

Like a pre-pubescent teenager around his really hot Spanish teacher?

[Toogeloo]

I had easily the hottest Spanish teacher in the 80s. Reminded me of a young Penelope Cruz.

Man those were some good days.

[Toogeloo]

Wouldn't Andy's wagon technically be a counter to the SAD wagon? Or is Desperado's Wagon counter to Andy's wagon. I'm lost in the voting patterns now.

[Toogeloo]

What SAD wagon?

Are you serious? The guy who got to L-1 like 24 hours ago?

[Toogeloo]

Nosferatu is town, tho.

I know his meta is to be absent. I didn't know his meta was to shit post though.

[Toogeloo]

Oh, I guess he unvoted now. I actually think that's possibly a towny move. I'm not sure on Nos yet. I'm getting some of the town vibes I've seen from town!Nos before, but I'm not really understanding his mindset here around the Tammy vote and usually he brings better points around it (which shows my respect for his town game). However, the pointed and somewhat surly tone of his posts give me the town vibes I usually get from him. His scum game has a different tone, from the one time I saw.

The vibe I got from his posts was that he was desperately trying to make something sound like content when he posted. He can remain in the "good lynch" category for me for now.

[Toogeloo]

failed self-imposed post-restriction alert

[Toogeloo]

Even though they're tied, I'm pretty sure we can discount almost every vote on SAD as not really being there since none of those players are putting effort in.

[Toogeloo]

Miller. Claim.
opportunistic votes/play
Pleasing the room

Need I say more

Desp is town. Look elsewhere.

I can see why Gerry thinks Desp is scum looking for a mislynch. If I was town and it came across to me that someone was just looking to "improve the game" then I'd be suspicious of that too. But I'm pretty sure Desp means we'll improve the game because he thinks Gerry is scum, and on the off chance he's not (according to Desp) we'd lose someone who hasn't been actively helping town.

That's how read Desperado's posts and interpreted it as well, and to be fair, I honestly agree with the assessment that lynching gerry either hits scum or at the very least improves the gamestate.

[Toogeloo]

tammy is the most moist

Not to brag or anything, but I can confirm that Tammy is moist, and I probably have a little to do with it.

[Toogeloo]

I have a nice little town bloc going. I feel good about this game.

Unvote;
Vote: gerryoat

[Toogeloo]

Panda face you unvote gerry before I kick you in the face
not even peta will save you from my wraith

You're in my town bloc, but gerry isn't. Desperado is also in my town bloc, and you are voting him.

Can we consider this a lover's quarrel?

[Toogeloo]

Well... it's 4 people. It's more like an orgy if anything.

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

I honestly just glazed over the last two pages. drealmerz probably at least earned himself a "No need to worry about being lynched today," pass, but I didn't really see anything rather important stick out from that ridiculous terrible back and forth.

[Toogeloo]

Unvote;
Vote: Firebringer

My can lynch list is fine with this. Whatever will get momentum at this point because, seriously, jack all has been accomplished all day.

[Toogeloo]

Unvote;
Vote: Firebringer

My can lynch list is fine with this. Whatever will get momentum at this point because, seriously, jack all has been accomplished all day.

okay as one of the few people I thought was following the game, you realize i claimed power role, right?

Well, if you are going to soft claim with half the votes needed to be lynched, just save us the trouble and full claim so we can move on or call you liarz.

[Toogeloo]

Well, if you are going to soft claim with half the votes needed to be lynched, just save us the trouble and full claim so we can move on or call you liarz.

dude, you don't even claim to scum read me how can you fucking possibly take this stance.

"I am going to lynch a pr claim that i don't scum read because Lets make stuff happen"

Oh shit... you know what? You're right!

[Toogeloo]

Day 1 Laundromat Says:

Clean Folded Laundry:

Desperado
drealmerz7
Ser Arthur Dayne
MariaR
Fro99er
Nachomamma8
Tammy

Needs to be Sorted into Whites, Darks, Colors, and Delicates:

Zachstralkita
Pine
SlySly
McMenno

Dirty, Stinky, Laundry (

Febreeze won't even help

)

Firebringer
Nosferatu
gerryoat
Creature
Andrius

[Toogeloo]

Mostly cuz you claimed power role softly.

"Guyz, I'm power, for realz."
**more votes**
"Guyz, didn't you hear me say I'm power?"

[Toogeloo]

actually, id like half of your scurmeads expanded on because they all look like common scum reads.

It's more of a, "thanks for playing, but you don't really need to live past day 1," list.

[Toogeloo]

What did I do that's towny I want an ego boost

You know... I don't really remember, but I did like something you posted a few days ago that had me liking you. I could move you to the sorting pile if you prefer though, just like real life laundry, I'm a bit lazy about it.

so i am scummy for claiming i am power role?
Okay.

Hey, I asked you to full claim. Why stop at a soft claim? You're a leading lynch, you've already stated to be a power role, so if you aren't going to full claim it just seems like you are stalling.

[Toogeloo]

To all scum, past, present, and future...

...if you are pressured, claim to be a power role. If pressed, claim you are being role-fished!

[Toogeloo]

I am reading, just making it up as I go. I voted you to join a wagon I wouldn't mind seeing lynched since it wasn't a town read. You claimed Power Role, so I pushed that angle, you didn't respond, so I figured it's a good reason to keep pushing.

[Toogeloo]

The long and short of it is, you have a slightly higher than not chance of being lynched over a good portion of the player list. You goofed off, you claimed power role, you're still not even remotely serious about playing or getting people off your wagon since you aren't really fighting your own wagon, in fact you think we are all town on it, and as a result, no one as of yet seems intent on moving away from you, and best you can hope for is a counter wagon to compete and out vote yours. However, what did you have to gain by soft claiming and then what do you intend to do if your wagon becomes more serious?

[Toogeloo]

So you don't have any real scum reads

Depends on how you define scum reads. It's Day 1, so I make best guesses, aim for a flip off a player I don't mind seeing removed from the game, and get stronger reads from there that slowly morph into scum and town. Other people are more willing to put money down that they have nailed a scum player within 2 pages of the game start.

[Toogeloo]

I kind of don't want to lynch Nosferatu just cuz of the Akane Tendo avatar, but I must put aside my biases.

[Toogeloo]

We need a lynch. Can people start to compromise?

Unvote;
Vote: Andrius

[Toogeloo]

Is no one else getting the vibe that almost everyone in this game is just going through the motions today?

[Toogeloo]

Question, Toog.
Was your reads list designed to look like mine?
Because I saw it and first thought was PARODY.

I have no idea what you are referring to. I'm obviously just posting popular opinions.

[Toogeloo]

gerry, without going too much into specifics, how exactly can one person here confirm you as town?

[Toogeloo]

I;m trying to prod if it is more like a Mason or something else.

[Toogeloo]

But WHY is that necessary?

What does it matter if they're [Masons, Brothers, ICs, Friendly Neighbors]? Outing this doesn't help this at all.

Quite the contrary, I find it will help immensely.

[Toogeloo]

Also, doesn't it sicken anyone else that people continue to soft/hard claim power and then just leave it at that? Why broach the subject, and then condemn anyone who wants to talk about it?

PEdit: It will never happen SAD, but wishes can be fishes, so keep casting your line ^_^.

[Toogeloo]

So then, what was the point of even claiming power Andy? Why do we have now 2 people who just non-nonchalantly claim to be power roles and then expect no one in the game to talk about it?

Hell, scum could have a role that confirms that role to another player, and then make it seem like they are town for doing said action if they can convince the said person to vouch for them. There's nothing wrong with asking for at least a little more information to work with. If they don't want to expound upon their comment, they shouldn't have made it in the first place, otherwise they are just trying to look town without doing anything.

[Toogeloo]

Suffice to say, if gerry doesn't wish to comment, he will become my number one hard scum read.

[Toogeloo]

Because he's trolling and/or useless and/or trying to entertain himself without actually playing/reading the game?

Which is exactly why it needs to be pressed. Hell, it's the only topic worth discussing in the last 20 pages of the game really. We can just go back to fluffy banter and wait out the deadline though.

[Toogeloo]

Also, compare my questioning and persistence with gerry versus my questioning and persistence of Fire for same reasons. Note anything?

[Toogeloo]

Oh, I'm definitely fishing for info for sure. Thanks for noticing.

[Toogeloo]

Alright, let's change directions...

Do you believe that with your role, town can still have a cop, and is that why you feel like Desperado is for sure scum?

[Toogeloo]

Ok, I'm gonna step away. Thread is lowering my IQ, and I need to watch some Spongebob or something.

[Toogeloo]

Yeah... after thinking about it.

Unvote;
Vote: gerryoat

[Toogeloo]

Wow, what a waste of time reading the last 12ish pages has been.

I've been playing Overwatch all night myself too. PS4 version.

[Toogeloo]

Read between the lines Andrius.

Also, people are humorously ignoring the fact that Sly is lying about being a Double Voter at all since as scum he could easily make sure that his role never becomes provable.

Pine's apparently completely caught up with nothing to say about the pages he missed.

I'm completely cool with Gerry, Sly, or Pine being lynched... can we get one of them to L-1 so I can hammer pl0x?

[Toogeloo]

Better options?

Si.

[Toogeloo]

oh damn. wanted to lynch a PR

We can still lynch you.

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: Creature

ok at least now i dont have to hammer.

So, were you cool with Creature being at L-1 and you didn't want to end the (already ridiculously sluggishly long) day?

[Toogeloo]

gerry, slysly, SAD, andrius for scumteam

Replace SAD with Pine maybe...

[Toogeloo]

I love how I constantly show up in people's scum reads, and yet in 98 pages I haven't been voted once. I'm not that scary of a prospect, am I?

[Toogeloo]

I think Glasses of Wine was lynched like 20 some odd pages ago.

[Toogeloo]

Fun fact

I have a stuffed frog named waffles

Funner fact, I once had a waffle stuffed with Frog Legs...


This thread is getting impossible to read. It's completely flooded with irrelevant content and pointless fluff. I will literally lynch anyone NOT Tammy at this point.

[Toogeloo]

Good luck with getting me lynched, I'm borderline Innocent Child!

[Toogeloo]

Your options are [gerryoat, Creature, Andrius].

I'm currently resting on one of those, so no worries there yet.

[Toogeloo]

that wasn't the question

yous aid you were literally fine lynching anyone but tammy...

I was being funny...trying anyway....

Hey, yeah, sure, I'd vote myself too, but like I said, good luck getting me lynched because of what I said.

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, if Gerry wouldn't be so cryptic about his role and just out it, I'd probably be less inclined to be voting him if it's not what I think is.

[Toogeloo]

Is it weird that the dog avatar is where the pussy would be?

[Toogeloo]

Here's the thing Gerry, you and I both know you aren't any kind of Mason.

[Toogeloo]

this is why I'd like to fip slysly and andrius
it will resolve tammy 100%

Tammy doesn't need resolution. She's town.

[Toogeloo]

I'd go so far as saying if she is NOT town, you can lynch me for it.

[Toogeloo]

Haha... my "scum" game.

There's a reason why I was a Transparent Townie in Meta Playstyle Mafia

[Toogeloo]

I havent read the past few pages, but I need to change my vote.

Unvote;
Vote: Slysly

I have some conflictions about his slot, but one thing that I don't like is how easily it is for his role is to be uncomfirmable, especially since at the very least we'd need to get to Day 3 with him voting flawlessly for it to be possible, and as the game shrinks, his power only gets more powerful, but my gut tells me he'd always find a way to remove his ability to get the double vote. My gut has been fairly on edge over his posting presence as well. I have other reasons to keep to myself for now, but I want to get my vote on Sly and possibly leave it there for the remainder of the day, depending on any inward inflections changing my opinion.

Now to catch up.

[Toogeloo]

Nosferatu... stop picking awesome avatars.
Creature is not a day 1 lynch, people need to get off him.
Pine is unimpressive and lynchable.
Zach is unimpressive and lynchable.
Tammy is still town.
Maria is losing my town read slightly, but not enough so that I want her lynched right now.
Andrius is slowly gaining town cred, but he needs to get his head out of Sly's ass.
If I had to pick, I believe Gerry's claim over Sly's claim, though do not take this to say that I think Gerry is town.
Desperado is still town.
drealmerz might be town, or he might just be brown-nosing me enough to make me like him. He's doing well enough though.
Nosferatu... your avatars are awesome, but do something worthwhile so I can keep enjoying them.
I feel like I should have a better impression of Nacho, but I haven't really done well to sort him.

[Toogeloo]

Hypothetical question Andrius.

Suppose Gerry and his "friend" and Sly are still alive in several days, both having activated their abilities. Do you feel that is a substantial sized voting bloc? Also, how many more "for sure" town votes (as in more players who know each other to be town) would you think could be added to that bloc before it becomes a bit obscene?

[Toogeloo]

I feel like drealmerz might be on the same wavelength as me

[Toogeloo]

I'm saying that gerry and his friend will know they are town, and Sly could possibly have two votes if we are considering him town. That is 4 votes who could bloc together, right? How much bigger do you think the bloc could get of confirmed town as well?

[Toogeloo]

I mean we have to operate under the assumption these players are town, so why wouldn't they bloc together if we believe they are town?

[Toogeloo]

I'm saying that gerry and his friend will know they are town, and Sly could possibly have two votes if we are considering him town. That is 4 votes who could bloc together, right? How much bigger do you think the bloc could get of confirmed town as well?

17 players.
Guessing 4-5 anti-town players.
Roughly 40-60% of the town will be PRs in a standard game.

Sure, anywhere in the 5-7 range could bloc early on.
Gets smaller as time goes on ofc but this is normal.

I mean I could easily form a voting bloc of 7 people without even trying.
Remember, though, that I say VOTING BLOC not TOWN BLOC.
Because VOTING BLOCs are allowed to have scum in them and voting blocs can be utilized to see who's willing to vote for who, etc.

I mean, let's not assume anything though.

I mean we have to operate under the assumption these players are town, so why wouldn't they bloc together if we believe they are town?

No, no we don't.
Gerry could be bullshitting.
Assuming scum can't be a doublevoter is stupid because it is very common these days to see mods go OH HEY THIS IS A VOTING POWER/RESTRICTION but it isn't enforced in My/LyLo. Its like, then why bother doing it?

I admit I have my own reservations about voting roles and do not use them because of the absolute ridiculousness they add to a game. I don't want tallying votes to be a headache. I want it to be simple. SMITE Mafia is a good example of VOTING POWERS EVERYWHERE where it just got annoying trying to do anything, let alone use your abilities.

You might be missing the picture, or you are trying to keep it narrow, but you did mention someone could be bullshitting, which is at least a positive note change.

What I'm trying to encourage you to do here is evaluate if it's possible for both Gerry and Sly to be town and telling the truth about their role, and then consider if it's possible if there could also be more town confirmed players that might increase the total size of confirmable town to make a voting bloc in the late game, or would that be unbalanced?

If you don't believe it's possible, wouldn't it make sense that the best course of action would be to throw the lynch at one of Sly or Gerry due to the improbability of the two coexisting as town? Sure they might be telling the truth about their ability, but are they both town for it?

[Toogeloo]

Let's pinpoint a new question...

Do you believe that Gerry's Role (as town), Sly's role (as town), and, oh say, a pair of Masons could exist in the game?

[Toogeloo]

It's Tammy and I as Masons, and one or both of us may have something additional.

Of course it's obvious, and it should have been obvious since the game started.

[Toogeloo]

I do think it should be between Gerry and Sly, and of the two, I trust Sly the least.

[Toogeloo]

I will of course lynch Gerry too.

As you can tell, there is very good reason why Tammy and I were riding him so hard for the specifics of his claim.

[Toogeloo]

You realize that if Sly and Gerry are both truthful and town, that we could potentially have 6 guaranteed town votes to throw around?

PEdit; Gerry claimed he can confirm himself town to another player, and that player will be confirmed that Gerry is town. He just has to find them. That's the gist of his claim.

[Toogeloo]

Ok Baku.

lol, how are you aware of my other persona? I thought Fate was the only other person aware of it

[Toogeloo]

It's Tammy and I as Masons, and one or both of us may have something additional.

Of course it's obvious, and it should have been obvious since the game started.

Its like you're doing a Toogeloo Boogeloo, but this time you're suiciding as a mason.
mfw

There's a certain security to being a Mason.

[Toogeloo]

I know but outing yourself D1?

Information > Survival. Had I kept my mouth shut, neither of my prime suspects likely get any heat and Creature probably ends up lynched instead.

[Toogeloo]

I want to hear Gerry's response to this, and he must full claim. If his role is plausible, then I think Sly should be lynched.

[Toogeloo]

Go back and read why I doubt both of their roles existing. Basically, if you have multiple confirmed town voting together, you can get a large enough bloc to lynch whatever they want. Gerry has claimed he and another can be confirmed town to each other, but that's the extent of it, and Sly has stated he can become a Double Voter, which by the time he could get it would be prime for 6 votes (Masonry, Gerry and Friend, and Double Vote) as a bloc to be unbeatable if all were "confirmed town."

[Toogeloo]

I hardclaim PR. But I won't claim which. I'm confirmed town to someone here, even if they don't know it yet. I know that sounds confusing, but it's true lol

gerry, without going too much into specifics, how exactly can one person here confirm you as town?

nice fish, but it really doesnt matter. One person will know I'm town, just like I know one person is town. Just dont know who they are yet

How can you not see that we were practically counter claiming you? You are likely going to be lynched, and you'd still rather give everyone the finger and not full claim to save yourself?

[Toogeloo]

Unvote;
Vote: gerryoat

Your pride needs checking, or you're just scum with no way to dig yourself out of this hole.

[Toogeloo]

Unvote;
Vote: Slysly

Works for me still.

[Toogeloo]

Stop focusing on peoples flavor and the mechs of thwere roles if you scumread the person hard enough you should vote then regardless of what they claim unless it's something that can be cleared otherwise give it a day then lynch it if proven false

Can we flash wagon Pine or Desp I am begging you (Pine more though.)

VOTE: Pine

We have less than 1 Day to figure out a lynch and you want to start a new one?

[Toogeloo]

On scum because the others are town? Yes

So who wins the game since you can see into the future?

[Toogeloo]

Get back on Sly, Fro-niner-niner-er.

[Toogeloo]

Gerry never said the person who confirms him is confirmed themselves.

gerry, without going too much into specifics, how exactly can one person here confirm you as town?

nice fish, but it really doesnt matter. One person will know I'm town, just like I know one person is town. Just dont know who they are yet

[Toogeloo]

Sorry, still catching up, and with deadline looming, I am responding in real time.

[Toogeloo]

I never voted Creature, someone was bundling me in with that as a Creature wagon supporter, and it's not me. I did say I would literally vote anyone (other than Tammy and myself of course), which if we had to avoid a No Lynch, I still would, but my heart still rests on gerry and Sly. Sly has more support, so that's where I am at. If we could get more support on gerry, I would be back there.

It frustrates me that the game stagnates for almost a week and people goof off and then with a day left decide now is the time to start rallying votes for a lynch. People hand wave too much shit in this game and then procrastinate the lynch until the last minute.

[Toogeloo]

Fuck it... I will be here at deadline to change my vote if necessary.

Unvote;
Vote: gerryoat

[Toogeloo]

I feel like gerry has an important scum role and he claimed without pressure to avoid getting pressure in the first place. On another site where I play Mafia, as an example, a scum with a one shot assassination would often claim something super important just to ensure they live one day and get their shot off at night (there, assassins are an extra kill that can't be stopped by any means).

He's emulating stubbornness in order to avoid having to worry about fleshing out his claim since he figured he would have been fine with just a Mason sound claim to begin with and wasn't banking on actual Masons existing in the game.

[Toogeloo]

^At my previous post, that just my conspiracy theory brain talking of course.

[Toogeloo]

Fuck it... I will be here at deadline to change my vote if necessary.

Unvote;
Vote: gerryoat

Consider my vote on both gerry and Sly. I will be around near deadline to switch it back if necessary.

[Toogeloo]

Plus Tammy is going to give me pointers in the Mason thread for reading Nacho if she just so happens to die before me.

[Toogeloo]

Half the people voting you are because your current claim cannot coexist with a pair of masons. Guess how you can fix that!

[Toogeloo]

k.

You are literally the epitome of town play and we are all bad, I got it.

[Toogeloo]

If you are town, wouldn't your lynch also help Mafia?

[Toogeloo]

yeah, you will probably have all the night actions on you tonight keeping you safe. Tammy and I are on the docket for termination ahead of you more than likely.

[Toogeloo]

It literally makes zero sense to be "Mafia benefit if I claim, so I will be lynched instead."

[Toogeloo]

Tammy and I are the Washing Machines. You don't see us yelling, "Good luck doing your laundry without the Washing Machines," even though we know we are destined for death.

[Toogeloo]

You guys really have a hard time reading between the lines.

Says the guy who I told to read between the lines and didn't see Tammy/Me as Masons.

[Toogeloo]

What is the case on creature again?

[Toogeloo]

gerry and Sly are my preferred lynches, if I were to change, it would likely be back on Sly, I would only vote creature in the waning minutes of day if it prevents a No Lynch.

[Toogeloo]

We're just going in circles anyways. The only person who has reached L-1 all day has been SAD.

[Toogeloo]

why should I think he is scum? He's been largely useless, sure, but I have no interest in lynching a Watcher claim when I have issues with other claims, and if we are going to lynch based on overall usefulness, I can think of a lot of other players other than creature who should be lynched as well. So again, why is he a lynch candidate?

[Toogeloo]

Pine, your bolded above are people who won't lynch Creature, that's the simple of it. The same thing could be said for your unbolded not wanting to lynch Sly or gerry.

[Toogeloo]

First of all, Watcher is a very common and useful scum role. Second, this is role madness. We cannot and will not pull back on someone because they claimed a limited and frankly fairly pedestrian role. Third, there are a metric shitload of investigative and pseudo-investigative roles claimed ALREADY, some of them have to be false. I think it's Creature, the one so far that has the most scum utility.

This is not a case for scumCreature though. I want to know what makes him scum.

[Toogeloo]

Do you have an issue with my claim?

No, if this is role madness, godfather and ninja are a thing, so I think you and Creature co-exist just fine.

[Toogeloo]

If we no-lynch, I swear to god heads will roll.

LOL, I love how you say this as if you have some kind of major pull in town. You are low on the heirarchy totem pole mate, you only started picking up activity as the day waned.

[Toogeloo]

I'm not hesitating, I just don't see why Creature is even a wagon when we have obvious issues with Sly and gerry. Best I can tell, people are voting Creature because he beetlejuices.

[Toogeloo]

His role and mine are possibly different alignments

His reaction to my pressure on him after his claim, which I've pointed out several times

His reaction to my own claim, where he didn't even bother to gamesolve and then went missing again

His lack of good reasons for townreading people in his POE list

I see way more Watcher and Cop as town than opposite alignment. He's only two shot, not infinite, and you have said you have a modifier that you have not shared as well, so there's nothing to base confliction on there. Creature's reactions seem pretty normal to me from what I know of Creature, and he's been wagoned since long before you claimed anyways. I'd be more concerned if he lacked good reason to scum read than town read. It's Day 1, so I can completely empathize with inability to explain town reads beyond gut (or in my case masonry partners). He's a wagon on a player that people are fine to get rid of, that's what I see. People are buddying each other and want to keep them around, Creature is hard to buddy because it's just who he is, so he's an easy target to eliminate on Day 1 for the sake of just being himself.

[Toogeloo]

If Creature is scum, Nacho would have been on him long ago. It saddens me that you think so little of Nacho's ability to play.

Unvote;
Vote: Creature

I don't think it's right, but it's better than a No Lynch. This has been the worst town performance on a Day 1 ever.

[Toogeloo]

I ask that people get their heads out of their asses and not spend 10 days fluff posting on Day 2 after night please. I don't want more pointless catchups of reading about wine tasting and stupid other shit.

[Toogeloo]

I feel like Trump just won the Presidency all over again.

[Toogeloo]

we lynch one of those 4 today

gerry obviously doesn't have anything on Maria and is lying yet again.
If he had a guilty on Maria, this isn't something he would say.


You'll have to pardon me as I am still choking on part of my shoe after yesterday, but I do believe it's possible that we either had more than one scum in our sights yesterday or scum were all on creature and couldn't get enough town votes to sway from vanity wagons until the end of the day. Creature flipping Goon is what leads me to those assumptions. Had he been a power role, I could totally buy everyone on his wagon being town and more pushing towards Sly or gerry, but as a goon, and a highly suspected player, he was an easy bus, which means that he really shouldn't have been that hard to lynch at deadline. If we had multiple scum in our sights, a lot of misdirection might have been happening to move the lynch to creature, but if Creature was the only scum of the leading lynches, I'm more inclined to say most the scum were already on him and it was a matter of convincing town to give up their vanity wagons instead. So that was my thought process from last night.


On the topic of Fro99er, if Fire is legit our protection, he could have protected someone else from being night killed if the scum thought that Fro99er was going to be protected and aimed elsewhere and Fire inadvertently stopped the kill in the process. What makes me leery is that Fire claimed protection, so why would the scum not shoot him?


On the topic of the Masons gambiting... all I can say is good luck with that push, but apparently we must have decided to gambit that before the game started since we were crumbing since our very first posts.


I still have a lot of pages to catch up on, but felt I really needed to posts some thoughts once I hit that gerry post. I would have voted Maria because of gerry's claim, but then I read the post associated with the above quote, and I find no basis for the vote now. Nacho being lynched today is the correct play up to where I've read, though I like him this game, it's just the crumb that was left needs to be followed up on, and it leads to Nacho's lynch. I won't vote until I am finished reading though. I wish you guys wouldn't post so much though. I haven't read past Post 4242.


Oh, and final note... guys, remember that this is a game. Tammy is on the verge of replacing out according to what she posted in the Mason thread. She's not having fun, and Andrius is a major contributor to that, though I don't think I've seen exactly what it is that is driving her nuts about Andy yet. She just feels like she's being stomped on. Try to just make sure we keep things non-personal.

[Toogeloo]

I will finish reading later, you guys post way too much for me to sit here for over an hour and read. Slow the fuck down please.

[Toogeloo]

3. Zachstralkita
4. Pine
7. Firebringer
10. Nosferatu
11. McMenno
13. gerryoat


Take your pick

Pedit: What to you makes it town frustration to scum?

Good list.

[Toogeloo]

My brain tells me that Nacho is the correct vote, but my heart and gut say it's wrong.

Going to wait for Tammy to let me know what she thinks.

[Toogeloo]

Can we lynch gerry on any of the basis', performing scumily, lying multiple times, acting like a twat?

I'd be cool with that.

[Toogeloo]

You have already shown the capacity to completely fuck over the town win condition multiple times. Even if you are being town read by anyone, they need to recognize that you are a detriment.

[Toogeloo]

I don't like your personality, but it's your actions that want me having you lynched, hence the explanation.

[Toogeloo]

Vote: Pine

[Toogeloo]

do you think ppl were bussing creature? and who and why do you think so

I absolutely think the entire scum team was probably on Creature, or at least half. My current (conspiracy) theory is that we had a few scum lined up for lynching yesterday, but that Creature needed to be pushed harder since he was an expendable goon. People saying that Creature was obvious scum are overselling that point as I didn't see it myself. I'm guessing that we had at the very least 2 scum lined up to be lynched, but scum were piled on Creature and spending much of their efforts convincing the actual town players to give up their vanity wagons to get off their PR team mates.

[Toogeloo]

Pine, Scum don't wait to the very last minute to bus a Goon if the only thing that is needed is their votes to complete the lynch. No chance in hell scum were completely off Creature's lynch when it was a 3-way between Creature, gerry, and Sly. In fact, if anything, the early departers of gerry and Sly onto Creature are your best bets for scum, as are the people who parked there and didn't stay there. If anything, the last votes on Creature in the waning hours of the day phase are all town.

I'm also completely open to the idea that the scum team might be completely incapable of leading town around by the nose, and were likely amicable to the plans set by the louder voices.


Also, if Pine is hated, I doubt scum have a 5-man team. Hell, Pine shouldn't be allowed to live simply because he brings LyLo a day earlier, and a 5-man team also closes that LyLo gap.

[Toogeloo]

I still think Sly (and/or gerry) is scum power and we were all forced to give him up for a goon, but hey, no one cares what I think anyways...

[Toogeloo]

Unvote;
Vote: SlySly

I honestly didn't think anyone was going to buy it after the Day 1 fiasco, but good job Tammy, SAD, Desperado, and Andrius for helping sell my thoughts. Desperado, help us out on Sly first, and then worry about gerry next. I like SAD's quotes casing Sly's vote patterns that look like scum play.

[Toogeloo]

yup, both of the top wagons are scum driven

Why do you agree with my assessment of yesterday, but feel strongly that Sly is town and gerry is scum (and not both, or the other way around)?

[Toogeloo]

yup, both of the top wagons are scum driven

Why do you agree with my assessment of yesterday, but feel strongly that Sly is town and gerry is scum (and not both, or the other way around)?

gerry bussed creature and sly didnt?

-I think Creature said Sly shouldn't be on his wagon.
-Sly doesn't want to get his double vote to "confirm" his role
-Sly didn't care.

Pick one.

[Toogeloo]

Creature (9 - LYNCH):

McMenno

,

gerryoat

,

Pine

, Andrius, Nachomamma8, Ser Arthur Dayne, Tammy, Fro99er, Desperado

Bolded + SlySly are my top scum picks. However, do I think it's likely that the first 3 votes that determined the lynch for Creature are all scum? No. Sly is probably more likely to be scum than the 3 bolded votes are all scum.

[Toogeloo]

It should be noted that Tammy and I are at odds on some of our reads, specifically Nacho and Pine which we have different reads on that were part of that wagon.

[Toogeloo]

this is starting to look multi-factional

What possible second faction could there be? Dry Clean only?

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I can empathize with Nacho's sentiments on the game. I've felt that way about it several times as well.

After reading through the last 10 pages or so, I really think Firebringer and McMenno could use way more attention than they are getting. If anyone feels as though we are at an impasse on the current lynch leaders, would they be so inclined to pursue pushing one of those two instead?

[Toogeloo]

My Eyes

Hi.
You are

MY EYES

, A SPRING FOR ENDLESS TEARS WHICH FROZE LIKE ICICLES ON MY CHEEKS

.
You are a

Weak Cop

.

Alignment:

You are aligned with the Town. You win when all threats to town are dead, and there is at least one member of town alive.

I See Shit But Also Need Glasses:

Once per Night Phase, you can choose someone to target.

You will discover whether or not that person is aligned with the Town.

If you target someone who is not aligned with the Town, you will die.

Endless Tears:

At least twice per game day, you need to include typed loud sobbing sounds or screaming with your post.

Any attempt to inform anyone of this role modifier will result in modkill. If you're unsure, ask me first.

Fro99er, the

Town Weak Cop

, has been killed D1.

How does the bolded part work within the claim of a Miller? Millers are still aligned with town, but would investigating them actually kill a Weak Cop?

[Toogeloo]

Even though this wagon is like half lurker bloc but I'll trust my mafia PRODIGY read.

I really just have nothing to add. This game has been nothing but 220+ pages of circular arguing and/or circle jerking. I'm dizzy and decided to just get off the ride and wait for you guys at the exit.

[Toogeloo]

Tammy wasn't the most talkative Mason, but her last reads list, which she said during the night was still accurate to her thoughts is as follows:

Nacho

- probably scum.

Zach

- looks a lot like scum. He does nothing except every now and run gone in to complain that someone has voted for him for acting like scum.

Drealmerz

- scummy, but he always looks scummy. Doesn't even seem to be pretending to try to figure out the game.

Andrius

- might be town maybe I guess. He's part of that suck up pair.

Desp

- maybe town, probably is. Get some weird vibes every now and then but it might be paranoia.

Firebringer

- decently town, I liked the case he made against nacho. I think many of the points were not alignment relevant, but I liked the way he was looking at it.

Arthur

- probably town. I don't think the case against slysly was that strong but it didn't look like him bsing stuff.

Pine

- might be town if nacho is scum, unless he's just the very merry bussy type. He just looks really scummy with his elementary bussing theory that assumes scum behave like automatons and not people. And while he's all scum don't x, he's not even pretending to try to understand where you [Toogeloo] are coming from.

Gerry

- fake role, big liar. Spazzed out like newb town that so I don't know. Would be glad to see him go.

Maria

- absolutely no clue. I thought the interaction she had the other day with zach felt fake.

Nosferstu

- who knows, some things looked okay but not enough to go on really.

mcmenno

- he's null.

Vote: Nacho

I'll be gone tomorrow barring something truly ridiculous. I haven't been playing the best game, but I'm still confirmed town.

[Toogeloo]

Hey yo, that was me posting Tammy's feels from the Masonry topic.

[Toogeloo]

[Toogeloo]

Nailed it.