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In post 35, Titus wrote:and I'm practically a pioneer of the new age analysis.-
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In post 47, Infinity 324 wrote:Your reaction here seems overblown.
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Indigo isn't going to post for like 5 days. He's on VLA if I'm not mistaken.
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So that's actually normal early. I like to look for motives between players (associative, I guess, but more towards the 'why do you do blank'). Early on, there's really not anything for me to do because it, sorta like VCA, requires an established 'baseline' (who do you believe, how have you been acting). I'm notoriously awful at early games and circumvent this a lot by replacing in more than signing up for queued games.In post 182, Infinity 324 wrote:Uhh
Ok so thinkbig was saying what he said because he thought it was a contradiction in personality, I responded to say no that just how titus is. The thing about being good at VCA...ok, I'm not sure I completely agree with you and I'm also not sure that it matter. My point was that there's no contradiction there.
I liked thinkbig's post because the last 3 paragraphs were good observations and said in a genuine noob town way.
AJ is fluffing it up and giving commentary instead of scumhunting.
As for my post early on (pot/kettle), this was because I read Infinity's early post (24?) as asking titus to save his ass from an early wagon. Which would've been an overreaction in every sense of the word. There wasn't really any reason to be that concerned for a counter wagon, so I thought it was funny Infinity thought titus was overreacting by continuing an RVS wagon.-
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Cakez' vote for me is actually horrendous. He's mentioned me once outside of his vote, in one sentence with no explanation. In his own post, he had other places that he looked like he wanted to go and settled with me. It's probably because only Kling/myself have been mentioned at all elsewise, even though BBMola was the only one to make any insinuations about my alignment. This is flailing of the most obvious degree.
VOTE: sircakez
For reference, this is 6 (I think). It's nine to lynch.-
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Worst in the thread after we remove your iso. OFC I wasn't calling you scum up until that. 1st, there's basically 8 pages of posts since I've decided to actively respond to the gamestate at large. Second, your post on me was awful and so I addressed it. Finally, my worry was allowing a mislynch to happen, or if you'd prefer we just keep that number in the dark so someone can lolhammer your scum ass.In post 379, SirCakez wrote:That AJ post is the worst post in the game thread imo. He's even guilty of the same thing he's calling me scum for (not mentioning a scumread before voting them), given that he hasn't called me a scumread until that post.
And his mentioning of how close to the lynch we are despite us being only like 3 days into the game reeks of scum eager for a mislynch.-
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...Why would I? It's entirely off of the history of the thread, so being at post 435 doesn't really do much for it. I simply look for inconsistencies and try to determine why someone might have the patterns they develop.In post 427, SirCakez wrote:I don't understand why he hasn't posted about any of his "baselines/motives" though. It looks like an excuse.
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It's the language in general is normally similar. The accusatory style has 2 parts that I find scummy:Infinity 324 wrote:
I kinda doubt that even if cakez is scum since he already explained what he disliked about it earlier.In post 422, Aj The Epic wrote:The language you use is ambiguous. Purposefully.
Like it would just kill you to give actual context.kind of stuff he spewed in his vote on me was definitely from scum
First, it's broad. There's a lot left to interpretation (or bad generalizations, such as his 'iso summary' post, which is a bullshit shadetossing fest anyways.
Second, It's ALWAYS THIRD PERSON, even when he's talking to no one in particular (aka no answers/continued discussion with another user). This is a way to discourage discussion between the user and the accused.
Who's he asking? Not Aero, but the rest of the users. Why would the rest of the users have an answer? This isn't MEANT to generate anything but suspicion.SirCakez wrote:What's up with Aero popping in to say he was catching up then dodging out?
Same thing here. Could just address me up front, but instead words it third person to cast suspicion instead of ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING WITH IT like trying to discuss it. People like Tammy when town ALWAYS use first person to address the people she's suspicious of. It's a way to generate conversation, and it's a town thing to do.SirCakez wrote:I also hate that AJ came in to take a potshot at me while continuing to not provide any other content. Like using his scumread on me as an excuse to not engage is what it looked like to me.
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Patterns require repetition and consistency to prove they're not one-off.In post 490, SirCakez wrote:For the first bit, why can't you share any of these "patterns" that you're finding?
The rest of the wall is I think the first time I've ever been called scum for how I type and play. You could ISO me in literally any game I've played and I'll be typing the same way. Reachy as fuck.
I'm not a meta reader, so don't expect any of that shit to sway me. I do notice that you've finally decided to directly address me though. Is there some element of 'this is how I type' in these situations? Yes, but it's not the full story. Unless you play in a way that always discourages interactions, this is a valid point.
I swear to god you will never go a game without assuming Titus is scum in some capacity.Nero Cain wrote:The only ones I'm interested in flipping are Cakez, maybe Titus and the Thinker hydra. Not real real sold on Kling. Like....she's being a useless lurksack which is fully within her scum meta. I used to think that her instance that she was a "day 3 player" was actually super scummy and a license to lurk and be useless for the most important part of the game. I mean maybe she does it regardless of alignment but then I've just come to the slow realization that everyone from that site is like a blackhole of pro-town play.
The only thing that slightly irks me about the Cakez wagon is that there hasn't been any attempt at a couterwagon (maybe Kling?) I mean if its Cakez, Ari, ????, Titus??? team it could just be a real ineffective team but his jump onto Titus was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
bad. So maybe that does rule out Titus but she's being a lurksack and her defense of Cakez was pretty shitty.
I don't think it's there hasn't been an attempt at a counterwagon so much as it just hasn't really led anywhere. Overall I'm getting weak signals from this game for showing anything pro-town outside heartz/Infinity right now. I've come to realize that Uzi may just... have past a Turing Test at some point and decided to play mafia, so I'm not sure what to make of the general awkward play.
The 'I'm as clueless as you' thing? I'd rather see Kling attempt to do something in this thread than go off of something that feels LAMIST.Desperado wrote:
Seriously guys I'm not lynching anyone else today. Everything Kling says is scum 101.In post 433, Klingoncelt wrote:Unless the hydra runs through the thread screaming "I'm SCUM!!!!" at the top of their lungs, I'll townread them by default.-
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Yeah I'm sorry I didn't write up a goddamn permission slip to vote CakezIn post 591, Desperado wrote:Here, I've made the words all big so that you can't miss them.-
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It's not a contradiction. My initial issue with Cakez was he literally DID NOT mention me in his vote, which came in that wall of text spoiler.In post 597, Infinity 324 wrote:
The issue is the contradiction, you called out cakez for only mentioning you once before the vote and your vote was the first time you mentioned cakez.In post 594, Aj The Epic wrote:
Yeah I'm sorry I didn't write up a goddamn permission slip to vote CakezIn post 591, Desperado wrote:Here, I've made the words all big so that you can't miss them.-
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But is it really.In post 377, Aj The Epic wrote:In his own post, he had other places that he looked like he wanted to go and settled with me-
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I'm sure that's not a reason to autosheep her though.In post 788, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I've read a few of her articles and just a lot of her theory on mafia seems very solid. I think she's one of the best players on MS.
That's why you look at the REASONS they call you town or shit. I don't think there's really any issue with Mastina's entrance and Mastina will probably show her alignment through her work anyways.Nero Cain wrote:
Hey, lets talk theory!In post 639, SirCakez wrote:I sometimes wonder if Mastina just RNGs her reads and then tries to explain them. That would be funny.
So, as scum, I think that calling a player town is kinda buddying or pocketing to use the new jargon. I think alot of players are stupidly OMGUSY so when a scum player calls another player town then its less of a chance they get voted and I think, atleast subliminally, when a player knows they are town and are being called town they kinda go "Oh hey X is reading me correctly so they must be town too!" This is my first time playing with Mastina but I've played several times with her on the Mastin2 account and I know that she has entered the game in a similar style in the past. Was she scum that game? Town? She likely does this regardless of alignment although she's fairly scummy here.
And in fact my reason for voting Heartless was neither. I just wanted to see what happens if there was a counterwagon to the rouge leader infinity vote, specifically because I think it was becoming too easy.Desperado wrote:@ LUV: It's bad because you are suggesting that AJ as scum would feel pressured to go with the crowd on the Rogue Leader vote when that just isn't true. He doesn't even have to think infinity is scum to justify it either, he just needs to be able to defend what he is declaring as his best townread.
^This is not a risky thing to do as scum and suggesting otherwise is...bad.-
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Which is bullshit since I've called infinity town. And please, don't go comparing your scum games to mine. It's rather insulting.In post 909, SirCakez wrote:
Aristo doesn't really think through his posts as scum. He tends to just post stuff. But as town you can usually tell his content is genuine scumhunting and it's not here.In post 874, Infinity 324 wrote:I get the feeling he's posting his original thoughts instead of trying to think about how it would look to others. Especially the part about motive hunting, it just seems like not the best approach to appeal to the group.
I just ISOed AJ and he hasn't given a read on anyone besides me, and Heartless/Desperado if we're being generous. Which is just laughably scummy. It's how I play as scum sometimes, latch onto a town who's getting wagoned early then ignore the rest of the game unless asked about stuff.
I'm observing right now. I'm normally this way anyways... Hell, I could shove the same thing back at you (you aren't scumhunting).Desperado wrote:Hey AJ,
You still aren't scumhunting, I have more than one reason to be voting you, and you didn't "address it" so much as just changed what you said, which isn't quite the same thing.
As of right now, my biggest issue is sorting BBMolla. Due to other games, I'm trying to not trip over which one I'm reading. I'm fairly certain this is the game I feel he's more scummy in but sorting them has been a personal issue for a while. That's just one of the reasons that I'm being quiet is because I need to make sure that my own thoughts aren't getting muddled between games at this point.-
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I'm not. Just summarize it as overall confusion with you then.In post 915, BBmolla wrote:Yo don't talk about ongoing games.-
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I guess it wasn't explicitly stated but when Desperado was talking to Uzi about my vote for Rogue leader I responded in post 793:In post 955, SirCakez wrote:Where? I ISOed you and saw nothing.
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That it wasn't that I felt Heartless was scummy (by context of what Desp suggested) but rather I wanted to vote heartless to see what came of it. If nothing else, the way I've talked to Infinity from like post 255 onward should give it away tonally that I read him as town.
Also speaking of which, in my iso run of yours (was searching side by side to find your own townreads), I see you have a mountain of scum reads. Me, Alban (before replace), titus, TTH, Kling, and Luv. And in 508 you say:
Along with some shade tossing towards Aero slot earlier in the game. Got anything for us in terms of townreads? Especially ones that aren't shade tossing at the other end (aka Mastina's)? Like your one explicit town message is 'mastina's reads suck but she's town hurdur'. Funnily PP (mastina's former) was the only explicit townread you had before and your read on her was much the same (derptown). It's a rather condescending end to a read that allows for you to ignore whatever the slot says while townreading them.In post 508, SirCakez wrote:I'm waiting until I develop a really solid townread. I don't have a super strong one atm.
And you also have way too many scum reads to actually exist in this game. Even someone like me who focuses on scumreading doesn't even get to the kind of count you have.-
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Where did the cakez lynch suggest come from? Like you TOWNREAD cakez given your 1027In post 1183, Desperado wrote:I could also vote LUV but I'd rather see AJ and/or Cakez flip before I make a determination on that.
Like you're on record tons of times saying "No cakez lynch".In post 1027, Desperado wrote:+ The Thinker wagon was started by Infinity and Heartless, the competing top townreads.
Thinker town, AJ scum, Cakez town, scum switching from Cakez to Thinker. Let's see.-
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Ain't no reason to discourage someone from spending their time hunting.
Are we meant to believe you actually didn't look at the VC before hammering/didn't know the time remaining? Because I find this incredibly hard to believe in a hammer situation. And if you honestly DID believe time was running short, I'd expect you to blame Infinity, not Desperado, who was far more concerned about wagoning.-
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Glad to have your contributions too. You have my permission to take off the beer goggles whenever.In post 1728, BBmolla wrote:also willing to lynch AJ-
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That's a lousy excuse. Especially when I do that with replacing, I make sure I either do the VC myself or check a very recent one to avoid this. There's no excuse for a mishammer.In post 1758, Klingoncelt wrote:Have you noticed that I catch up through lots of pages? Sometimes I lose track of vote counts.-
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It's part of being bad D1.In post 1800, Infinity 324 wrote:AJ, your tone has changed significantly from d1, how do you think you can explain that?-
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Pine/Tonic was buddying the shit out of Infinity early.
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I don't know enough about the crew to say regardless. We don't know what you all have talked about or what roles you get, or even how they're distributed. If you're referring to my vote, I'm just more sure Infinity is town.
With mastin, I noticed it. However my issue is I can't tell if she actually sniped pine out super hard or if it's scum theatre. That's why I said I can't figure it out. Same with Titus, but more so because I'm not unsure the primary objective of that was to tie Pine to Infinity and get on his good graces by some awkward white knight.-
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In post 1863, Heartless wrote:are you saying that pine and tonic would've been too lazy to make a case and call mastin scum or....
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No. It IS easier but there's a reason I'd expect this first that's a bit of a different direction. Mainly, doing attacks like this doesn't exactly encourage case building or reviews through ISOs. It's also not necessarily drawing them into the limelight. It's almost a defensive measure where you take it in case one dies. Full on cases may make better 'scum theatre' overall, but it almost guarantees the incrimination of one or both playing. My thought is 'does this look like Mastin/Pine leaving distance between themselves?' Does mastin actually catch Pine like this or does she have prior knowledge? Because I don't see what I expect in town v scum: a long, drawn out fight with one on a complete defensive and losing to compelling evidence.-
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You realize, Heartless, that I completely ignored it immediately because it could go EITHER WAY.
Your reasons suck. All there is to it. A.) I've told you my day 1s are bad. B.) have you not realized it's fucking obvious desp dies as one of the rogue leader people? Do you really think I'd go after him first? And the last thing I'm going to do is vanilla someone not in the rogue leader group as that shit is essentially clearing someone.
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Don't use VLAs in cases. It's bad precedence and highly inaccurate.
I agree it's interesting that titus did eventually choose to acknowledge you, but it may be more the fact that she never felt any real threat from your pressure until today.
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Actually, the game I thought you were in (BBmolla's 190). Granted I was convinced Titus was scum that game.-
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As for whose scum, I haven't been terribly accurate in any of my recent games. I'm actually tempted to say Mastina, while good, isn't THAT good but I know RVS is actually one of those areas you can pick up a tell in and catch people unaware really easily. Just... Don't think Pine did anything suspicious in RVS. I'm still bothered with Molla to an extent, I want a claim to back up his vanilized talk. Really that's what I'm running off of right now.-
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