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There's almost certainly more than one effect at play. There's several reasons to believe so. One of them is something we asked Yume to relay to Mastin yesterday.
@Titus - You got room for us in your planned Finale alliance. We'll need to look at Shiro but umm... there's some things you are wrong about and it would be nice to be able to talk to you safely and explain why.
@Cerb - Talk to me on slack man. So much to talk about LOL.
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We got offers from A50 and farside towards the end of the day and Drixx decided we should ally with A50 instead, against my preferences basically. :/In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
@fb: care to answer my question?
@yume: *sigh*
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Lol. This is NOT how you do subtle Titus. :pIn post 6483, Titus wrote:Farside, do you have anything else you would like to tell me?
Just irritated that my game solving is being halted..:pIn post 6484, Yume wrote:@RR What?
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You could kiss and make up!In post 6488, Shiro wrote:Me,Titus and farside should make an alliance, it is going to be lovely.
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She claims her action on Shiro failed, and she's the ascetic one?In post 6503, Titus wrote:
I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.In post 6500, farside22 wrote:
Nope.In post 6499, Titus wrote:And you blocked me last night.
I targeted grapes.
So you lied about the guilty.
Why?
Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.
If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?
????
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....In post 6505, Titus wrote:
Perhaps I should have just told you not to interrupt me at all. You've been a major detriment (although inadvertent) regarding what I needed to do.In post 6504, Reasonably Rational wrote:
She claims her action on Shiro failed, and she's the ascetic one?In post 6503, Titus wrote:
I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.In post 6500, farside22 wrote:
Nope.In post 6499, Titus wrote:And you blocked me last night.
I targeted grapes.
So you lied about the guilty.
Why?
Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.
If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?
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I'll be back in 48h or whatever, unless Drixx decides to deal with this, in which case I'll be back a good while from now.
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You hinted it yourself by asking her if she had anything else to tell you.In post 6554, Titus wrote:Hey RR, I am done now.
Thanks for hinting to Farside the guilty was on her to give her time to plan.
It was incredibly heavy handed and obvious and only a fool could have missed it.
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Agreed.In post 6558, Titus wrote:Oh but at least one of NC and Farside is almost certainly town, regardless of the claims by anyone else.
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I want full beach claims before I say anything on this subject.In post 6561, Titus wrote:What do you think of Farside now? We'll talk more about how to handle what I was doing post game.
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A50 promised that allying him would be worth it. We attempted to arrange a different alliance for you and if you had read the last part of the day during the night you would have seen that. It was my call and I'm sorry you ended up out of alliance as a result.In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
There's a whole range of pages that literally aren't worth reading. When Titus and Farside start fighting, you can sort of tune out until the end of day 2.In post 6487, MagnaofIllusion wrote:MOD - I'll be V/LA til Monday morning for my usual weekend family activities.
Howdy. Replaced in solely because Killthestory is a jerk and flaking on a 250 page game is a dick move.
I'm not going to be reading this whole thing. Sorry, it just likely isn't going to happen. I did start a quick skim and deduced there was a literal fuck-ton of behind the scenes stuff going on anyway that I'm not privy to so a detailed read would likely be a waste of time. Probably will look at SirCakez at least when I have time. Also we've gotten 9 to 10 pages in like 12 to 14 hours. Likely better for me to stay up-to-date than continue to lag behind.
Would lynch Firebringer for his attitude given that he is pushing on one of our apparent clears and this is scum Firebringer behavior ...
Titus: Remember that advice you gave me about leading town?In post 6505, Titus wrote:
Perhaps I should have just told you not to interrupt me at all. You've been a major detriment (although inadvertent) regarding what I needed to do.In post 6504, Reasonably Rational wrote:
She claims her action on Shiro failed, and she's the ascetic one?In post 6503, Titus wrote:
I am pretty damn good at algebra Farside. If I wasn't, I would have insisted on keeping math around.In post 6500, farside22 wrote:
Nope.In post 6499, Titus wrote:And you blocked me last night.
I targeted grapes.
So you lied about the guilty.
Why?
Like the point system wasn't something you cared to verify first before ousting this stuff.
If you didn't block me, why did you hide being partially ascetic?
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-Cerb
Titus popped IC confirmation which was mod confirmed at day start. Yume claimed that Mastin was confirmed by mod information to be town in PT on day one. Mastin says that Yume's character cannot be anything but town.In post 6520, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Phone post -
can anyone give any insight as to why anyone not named Yume or Titus are "confirmed Town"?
That just put a gigantic dent in how I see you this game Farside. Let's assume you are claiming honestly: how anti-town is it that you wanted to be targeted and wanted to intentionally waste other people's role utility in order to jack yours up? And given that a huge reason why Math ate rope was the late neg utility claim (and, to be fair, the lie that it had been claimed early), I'm kind of trying to figure out why you didn't choose to out this before it inevitably got outed for you.In post 6536, farside22 wrote:
Whatever.In post 6535, Titus wrote:
Answer the question.In post 6533, farside22 wrote:Well why are you pushing this titus
Not explaining until I have all the info.
I have a noisy ascetic. A player targets me and are told I stopped there action.
I also know when a player targets me, just not who.
I'm just catching up, but it was about as subtle as a brick to the face who you were targeting. I don't think Cerb really made it any more obvious, objectively speaking.In post 6554, Titus wrote:Hey RR, I am done now.
Thanks for hinting to Farside the guilty was on her to give her time to plan.
What I'm more concerned with is how many people are reporting not having voted. Some of these people responded to the planning of the event, so we know they knew it was coming and that we wanted to use it to PoE scum ... but they then don't vote?
@Yume-I think you need to let KC flip. If what you said to us means what I think it means ... it's better for that to impact now than later, I think.
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In the first SU game, the larger finale alliances were all in one PT.
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P.S. - Titus: please consider what I said about your advice to me on leading town. You're IC now so we're going to slipstream with you. We know some things you really need to know. Unless you have some really compelling need to ally elsewhere, keep that in mind. Who has the popcorn atm?Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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I'll go through the ISO and make sure there's nothing inconsistent or fake. I have no gut objections.
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I understand the hesitation but I don't see the long term upside. Better to get it over with, imo. It's your call but just consider what happens going into the future one way and the other. I think you'll agree it's best just to get it done with.In post 6586, Yume wrote:@RR No, not doing it.
Ummm... okay. It was obvious you were a vote stealer since day one. Did you really misunderstand what you were being asked to claim?In post 6587, DrippingGoofball wrote:
AsceticIn post 6583, Titus wrote:Dgb has popcorn.
I control my ally's vote for the day which sucks balls I'd rather not
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Politely see your way out of the conversation. I'm fairly certain you don't know what we're talking about and thus have no reason to interject.In post 6594, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
If she says no stop badgering her on it.In post 6591, Reasonably Rational wrote:I understand the hesitation but I don't see the long term upside. Better to get it over with, imo. It's your call but just consider what happens going into the future one way and the other. I think you'll agree it's best just to get it done with.
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P-Edit: Okay. I think it's inevitable but your call on the timing I guess.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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In post 6601, Yume wrote:@RR Actually, he does know about that thing, I believe.
Okay. It's your call. Surprised KTS was in the loop but whatevs. We'll make it work.In post 6602, Yume wrote:And still not doing it.
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Yeah. Already there. Certain lights turned on. It's probably less important we ally tonight except that we would prefer to work with you and some things just can't be said in this thread. Cerb's at work but I gisted him on slack and he'll respond when he's able.In post 6607, Titus wrote:
Go ask yourself why and how KTS was in the loop.In post 6606, Reasonably Rational wrote:In post 6601, Yume wrote:@RR Actually, he does know about that thing, I believe.
Okay. It's your call. Surprised KTS was in the loop but whatevs. We'll make it work.In post 6602, Yume wrote:And still not doing it.
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Then you'll know why he is taking the position he is.
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I think alternately we might want to talk to Firebringer and Random.
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Enjoy your wife's birthday and dinner. I have been unable to stand for the past several decades, so I totally feel you on that one.In post 6610, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
This is a good question actually. Now that farside has disappeared hopefully it gets addressed whenever she pops back in.In post 6600, grapes wrote:Farside why did you target me?
OK back to V/LA for Wife's birthday dinner at a restaurant I can't stand. Yay me.
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Ummm... we wouldn't want to ally with them to info dump on them. We've been wanting to talk to Random for awhile though, AND we left him hanging. Still, I personally feel like we could get more useful done with you and a 3rd who we can both trust. I'm going to just assume that Yume told you EVERYTHING from us and I'd rather we left it at that. No sense risking it since it almost certainly doesn't matter today.In post 6614, Titus wrote:Drixx, if you're wanting to share the box of Yume secrets, there are better targets than Fire and Random.
In addition to getting the numbers and doing the math, I think we need to press the low content slots into talking today. A lot. It's day three and there's an absurd amount of things to talk about. Thoughts?
~Drixx
P.S. - I disagree with you and Yume and MoI strenuously. Like I see zero upside to that and a lot of potential downside. I'm going to shut up now because it's stupid to beat a dead horse, but I want you to know that I really think some serious consideration should be given to going the other way with that, on the assumption that it is inevitable and I don't see any upside value to delay. Just please note it and the next time we can talk privately tell me whatever you would want to say now.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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You're IC here. We were planning to take over since Mastin has posted less and less, but you should lead, imo. If we disagree, we'll say so. Otherwise do your job as IC. Don't get dragged down into fights and don't let disagreement be personal, but otherwise take the reigns and let's kill it.In post 6618, Titus wrote:@Drixx, I agree with you on the last paragraph.
I have left Shiro hanging forever and would love to talk to them. Talking to you is good too, because I don't want to step on your toes.
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Great, so we have two low content slots staring silently at one another.
I didn't see either TWIE or you talk about an alliance at any point. How did that happen?
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Before you viglynch someone, can you at least make sure all the alliances and stuff are in place? Thanks!In post 6654, farside22 wrote:
Why do you care?In post 6645, Titus wrote:Then why aren't you voting her?
Your lynching me regardless.
Right?
So I'm just waiting for the beach to be done, not claiming shit and seeing how things go.
And regardless of youreads feelings and push, I won't be lynched.
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@Titus: she said she gets points to power up her vote. Yesterday it was worth 6 or something.
You failed an action on her.
It could easily be worth +11 now.
Basically no way for us to know what her "range" is now.
Why wouldn't she shoot you if scum titus?
And about the finale: Drixx and I haven't come to terms, and fire hasn't agreed yet. I want fb/random for sorting and to resolve whatever fb is thinking about us, and he wants you+whoever else for game solving stuff.
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@Titus - after our earlier convo and talking to Cerb, we very much would like to ally for the finale.
@Farside - Why would we lynch you at this point? From some things you've said, it may not even be possible to do it, and now that you've revealed people can target you and power you up, you just painted a crosshairs on yourself if you are town. And for what it's worth, I was townreading you yesterday and while the late noisy ascetic claim is a little troubling, I can see why you might not claim it and try and make sure you play OTAF so people who get notified will sit back and watch before acting. You basically resolve as time goes forward, so why would you get lynched today?
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Or I guess I misunderstood Cerb. He agrees that us allying would be strong. He also thinks that it would be nice to actually sort Fire for real and to get a chance to talk to Random, especially since me overriding and choosing A50 caused Random to have no alliance today. I took his agreement that allying with you was the strongest play to be consent. Sorry for dissonance; we try and keep that crap out of the thread and in our slack chat.
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You realize you just made me want to argue more right? I don't want to fight about this with you so I'm going to say one thing and then just bite my tongue. Please just consider the probability that Farside is being honest and the implications of that. That's all.In post 6671, Titus wrote:@RR, I am claimed bulletproof as long as I am allied, exactly like SirCakez was. Plus, it would ensure auto lynch when her whole goal is not to be lynched.
We can ally.
RR please stop being Farside's defense attorney. Ty.
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P-edit: It takes a pretty significant amount for Cerb and I to feel confident that someone is town. I will especially say nothing further because you requested it Farside. I didn't plan to clog up the thread any further than this post anyway, but your wish is noted and will be respected.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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This list should really include who each person voted for and how many points that represents for that person, if the person making the claim is town.In post 6680, farside22 wrote:Please state whom you picked for beach prize at the start of day 3 in order given.
kraskaesque - claimed
SnarkySnowman - claimed
DrippingGoofball - claimed
randomidget
Not Chara-claimed
Shadow_step
Reasonably Rational - claimed
Shiro - claimed
Xkfyu
farside22 - claimed
TheFuzzylogic
TheWayItEnds
Skybird
MagnaofIllusion
Creature - claimed
Firebringer - claimed
Almost50
grapes
McMenno
Yume
mastina
Titus
If you don't do it farside, I'll add it in sometime tomorrow hopefully. Sorta busy this weekend, but I'll try.
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Interesting. So are you saying you believe the people who defended him were more likely townbeads than scum? What about his wagon? Do you think scum were flocking to it?In post 6728, DrippingGoofball wrote:Oh come on
Sir Cakes was deliciously bus'able
If he was your buddy... would you have defended him? No - he's worth more dead and sprinkling fairy towncred dust on his surviving scumpals of they bus'ed him.
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@Titus: Stop calling us her defense attorney. We want people to think things through and not be stupid, that's all. Right now we have 3 ascetic claims, one of which has flipped town. This means it's no longer as cut and dry as "late claim NU and we lynch you ". That much should be obvious, and you should be able to follow with the reasoning behind it.
WITH THAT SAID....I still want the rest of the beach city votes before I say anything more on farside.
@kraska: Titus is right. The points don't clear anyone on their own. Think about it and you'll see why, or just wait until we get through this laborious process and we'll explain it to you.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Actually...Titus, why would scum!farside keep doing something that she knows isn't going to make you see her as town?
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Pedit: Oneechan is farside.Okasan is Titus. Otasan is my slot.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Because apparently I gave Farside too much of a hint so she would have had time to make up a story, since Titus was SOOO subtle originally that there's no way farside knew she was talking about her, even though she pointedly asked farside for more information AND had hinted at a guilty gained last night when farside was an obvious suspect of hers yesterday.In post 6740, kraskaesque wrote:
Then why not save your 1v1 with her until after claims when you can explain things? :sIn post 6734, Titus wrote:
That's not a fact. I will explainIn post 6732, kraskaesque wrote:Titus are you gonna do mathblade all over and ignore the fact that chara's score means far is town? Just answer with yes or nowhyafter claims.
/s
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Acceptable answer. Carry on.In post 6744, Titus wrote:
Painting me a bitch causes people to tune out and disengage.In post 6739, Reasonably Rational wrote:Actually...Titus, why would scum!farside keep doing something that she knows isn't going to make you see her as town?
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Pedit: Oneechan is farside.Okasan is Titus. Otasan is my slot.
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Stahp it. Pointing out that from an outside point of view (that is: not you or her), it looks like a TvT and trying to point you to something to put in the "pro" column a defense attorney does not make. Besides, I'm not an attorney, which you know.In post 6730, Titus wrote:You claimed ascetic late, despite being told that late claims were punishable by hanging, and you didn't pursue the other ascetic claimersthe guy who said as much has now shifted to being your defense attorney, yet you don't find that problematic?
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Your assertion isn't true. If you figure out why, say nothing.In post 6732, kraskaesque wrote:Titus are you gonna do mathblade all over and ignore the fact that chara's score means far is town? Just answer with yes or no
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Deadline? Did you mean your V/LA?In post 6775, farside22 wrote:
Well at least someone else saw that.In post 6749, kraskaesque wrote:@titus
i think what fayar said about you not being aware of how your actions are playing a huge part in keeping this shitfest going is true
back when i bitched a little on day 2 about you two, far immediately backed down but then you baited her again
and at the start of this day you were totally baiting her before she even posted anything
suffice to say the fact that you went as far as unnecessarily confirm yourself as town and knowingly ruined RR's plan to do a "HA! IN YOUR FACE" to far is...
Just keep the votes coming.
The beach thing is a bust.
NC has my reads.
Nothing I saw will sway Titus and she must have her way.
And before she plays victium again about how I called her names or shit.
The amount of name calling she did far exceeded anything I said. Forgive me for having an opinion that doesn't match Titus.
No need to worry about that happening again.
mod:extending deadline to 5 days
Elaborate on Skybird please.
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Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.
And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.
So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?
@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.
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Yep. Details aren't significant yet, and I'm not the only one with the information so any elaboration will have to wait.In post 6782, Titus wrote:
Two third parties?In post 6780, Reasonably Rational wrote:Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.
And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.
So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?
@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.
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That's not mod confirmation. That's what the mechanics for the event state.In post 6786, farside22 wrote:
Yeah, it sound fun at first, hey let's get point, get a 3rd party win and call it a game.In post 6780, Reasonably Rational wrote:Fair enough. The xkfyu point can't be properly evaluated without knowing what he claimed to her and what steven has told her about it.
And I was telling you all yesterday that third parties are a thing here. I actually have evidence of at least 2 third party factions in this game, though only one has a pt/is informed at all.
So, were you playing towards a town win con, with the third party thing as an out just in case, or were you playing for the 3p win con the whole time? Is that why you were saying you weren't going to be using your vote power, so you wouldn't use up your points and put yourself further away from your alternative win condition?
@Yume: I said two things about peridot. Not sure which one you're saying is correct, but I did receive separate confirmation about my mechanical suspicions regarding peridot, whic simultaneously disproved my identity theory.
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I also had the town win condition if I can't reach the right number of points.
I use the points and I start getting further from the 3rd opportunity.
I think my event is useful but in the end I wasnt thinking about it since I use points to get it going.
Funny story I asked the mod in the PT how many points we gwt if Chara votes self and I vote nc and he told us 5 points.
Poor mod unknowingly mod confirmed us to each other with that response without meaning to.
So the 3p thing waa the goal, got it.
So if we refuse to ally with you for the rest of the game, and nobody targets you, you'll be forced to play for a town win, yes?
@NC: you should read the rest of the game, it's a good lesson in living on the edge of death. I couldn't win with town. As soon as I removed all my targets, which included the entire scum team, I endgamed everyone else.
There's no reason for farside to claim.being 3p here. She's not on the verge of lynch, and she has nothing to offer town. There's no real parallels to my situation in SF.
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Shh Titus. I want Farside's response, not your attack. Your attack is useless and has already given us all the information that we need.
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@Yume: you're suggesting we should deliberately mislynch. That isn't something I can support unless we KNOW it's going to work...and even then, it's still a hard sell.
Why isn't MoI telling us to lynch him for this effect?
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Don't let someone else ruin your enjoyment. Just...don't. Don't give them that power over you.In post 6857, Yume wrote:@Fire Just you know, I was excited for this game, but you, you ruined it.
@RR Because we aren't completely sure whether it would work that way.
Got it. Get your Varsoon clarifications and we can go from there.
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Pretty obvious.In post 6896, McMenno wrote:what do you need it for
Easy way to identify who should have possessed what knowledge at what time, what abilities were active and what effects were working on which slots, as we get flips and start to fill in the blanks we can establish the history of the game and use said information to clear town and catch scum.
Why do you want to obfuscate things?
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Hmm? Umbrage why? At my reluctance to reveal the details?In post 6901, Titus wrote:
Hey, RR, speaking of that, why shouldn't I take major umbrage at your two third parties belief?In post 6898, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Pretty obvious.In post 6896, McMenno wrote:what do you need it for
Easy way to identify who should have possessed what knowledge at what time, what abilities were active and what effects were working on which slots, as we get flips and start to fill in the blanks we can establish the history of the game and use said information to clear town and catch scum.
Why do you want to obfuscate things?
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@McMenno: last I checked you weren't conftown, which means yes, it does have impact on my gamesolving.
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You're in contact with people who can confirm this to you. I don't know why they haven't done so already given that you're conftown.In post 6905, Titus wrote:
I was thinking more the belief at all. Where I sit the belief is wholly unsupported, and we have had the same neighbors for the most part.In post 6904, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Hmm? Umbrage why? At my reluctance to reveal the details?In post 6901, Titus wrote:
Hey, RR, speaking of that, why shouldn't I take major umbrage at your two third parties belief?In post 6898, Reasonably Rational wrote:
Pretty obvious.In post 6896, McMenno wrote:what do you need it for
Easy way to identify who should have possessed what knowledge at what time, what abilities were active and what effects were working on which slots, as we get flips and start to fill in the blanks we can establish the history of the game and use said information to clear town and catch scum.
Why do you want to obfuscate things?
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@McMenno: last I checked you weren't conftown, which means yes, it does have impact on my gamesolving.
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Kevin wouldn't be a member.
AND you're the one whose mistaken
Promise.
100%.
It's possible the third parties have all become one faction, but they definitely started the game aa two distinct entities.
Or some people have lied. That's definitely possible too. :p
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You should really wonder more about the theory yume said I had correct. It's related. You should ask her about it.
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I don't know why fb would give a gun to anyone other than Titus or Mastin.
Both have touted some level of protection, and both are conftown. (Nearly, in mastins case).
@Titus: Drixx and I have been debating whether A50 is a safe individual to share information with. He's on the right track, he has some things we can clear up that will get him on the right page.
Thoughts?
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He voted for mastin at my direction.In post 6957, Titus wrote:In post 6954, Almost50 wrote:OK, so @Yume & @Snarky:
How would you feel about allying with eachother (and with myself)??Almost...
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I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.In post 6976, farside22 wrote:Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?
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I'm not going to confirm any of that, because as I said yesterday, I'm of the opinion thst it's like a number if them are effectively town, and are really practically conftown, so I'm not going to out them until I see a flip that makes it possible for them to win without town.In post 6989, farside22 wrote:
DGB, Creature, random, TWIE, Firebringer?In post 6988, Reasonably Rational wrote:
I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.In post 6976, farside22 wrote:Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?
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Yume.
Relax.
Go watch awesome SU music videos on YouTube or something. ^^
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Speaking of your reads where you at now fb?In post 7103, Firebringer wrote:
Ehhh I guess this makes sense.In post 7098, Shiro wrote:Greg as I explained made no sense flavour with role. Connie does with joining with Steven.
Centip also makes sense for miller.
I have verified that mine does so SS well
Kevin does as well (noisy rb, priceless cause he used to cut stevonie when she tried to talk)
Now I wonder why greg didn't? Oh I know because his role made sense for his real role.
I still think it's reasonable to think scum have connection to Steven.
Sky has done nothing really townie in my book so I give zero townread.
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Can we get totals then titus? Pretty sure I know where mastin/Yume and you voted as well.In post 7101, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:edit /is not scum.......
I'm also pretty sure I get where your scum pool comes from.
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Almost certain mastin and Yume voted for mastin, and Titus voted for herself.
I believe the numbers on mastin are either exactly right, or short exactly one point, depending on whether varsoon counted yume and mastins alliance with one another as making Yume's vote for mastin worth 2 points. It's not the normal alliance so no idea how he would interpret it.
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It's impossible for a traitor to have been part of any of the big pools. There is no way scum would vote in a fashion thst would put a half vote anywhere so a traitors uncoordinated vote would have created a .5 in whatever pool they voted in.
@Varsooon: please confirm that the beachapalooza votes are accurate.
@Yume/Mastin: please confirm with Varsoon the number of votes yume would give if voting for mastin.
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Ah. Hmm. Possible. Seems to require a level of ineptitude I find hard to believe, since any scum could have just said they voted for themselves/no one and been basically assured of not being caught due to your and Farside's decision to create a 5 vote threshold.
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There are two simple solutions that allow for all scum to be in the pool of players claiming to have voted someone who didn't make the list or claiming no vote or just not answering (setting aside the Not Chara situation which has a super obvious flaw in the assumpetion that NC and Farside are both town).
1.) Varsoon may have made a mistake with the tally. We don't know whether the ongoing permanent alliance Yume and Mastin have claimed would impact points the way a regular exposition alliance does. We should ask.
2.) SC's flip implies a scum traitor. A scum traitor uninformed of whatever scum did to try and avoid being PoEd by this event would put the count off by one, and I can't come up with any sound reasoning on how to isolate where that person would be in the claims. It's possible they could have claimed honestly and there's a way the numbers work. It's also possible they are in the self-vote/not-on-list vote/no-vote/no answer grouping.
@Varsoon: Presuming the claimed permanent alliance between Mastin and Yume exists as publicly claimed, would that claimed permanent alliance have impacted the points for Beach-a-palooza voting? Can you please check that the point totals you gave are consistent with however you decided that and let us know? Thanks.
Now: if Titus' premises are sound, I would look at Farside as a possible place where scum could have tried to hide voting plus get a "clear". In fact, that very idea was pushed really early on in the process. Farside "must" be town because of the Not Chara vote total; however, scum!farside would simply need a teammate to vote there as well and claim to have done something else, and there's a gambit to try and get a clear (which makes a lot of sense given Titus and Farside spent like 50 pages fighting on day 2, and Titus popped IC which was announced when the event started). This hinges on Farside's personality really: would she attempt this sort of gambit?
The other obvious place Titus already highlighted. Titus messed up earlier and revealed who Steven is when she revealed that she knew Skybird and Yume were allied day one when that wasn't actually known info outside of people Yume told. Yume didn't even tell US that, but mostly because we had to tell her like ten times not to info dump on us. Titus demonstrated why with the table earlier; if you don't KNOW something that the game at large doesn't need to know, then you can't possibly refer to it accidentally. It's okay though; I'm pretty sure anyone paying attention could have worked that out. We worked it out pretty easily and gave Yume our reasoning yesterday. We also worked out the third party faction thing which I think is just a matter of time before it's shown true.
So now here's where it gets hairy. Depending on Varsoon's answer, either the PoE will change, or we'll be looking at A50 and Skybird. A50 would have to be putting on a master class in scum play, I think, given how he has posted in our PT today. He info dumped as promised and he was off in a number of areas. It feels really organic, like he arrived at those places because of reasoning that wasn't obviously wrong because he lacked a critical piece of information. I don't know if it could even BE faked.
That leaves Skybird, which would mean Scum were given Steven's identity on day one. I would say that is unlikely except we were Steven the first time around and scum got our identity at the same time as a town member did. There's a bit of irony if this is the case, since the scum that got access to us was Centipeedle.
Did I work the PoE correctly Titus? Check my reasoning please.
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@Not Chara - Whose idea was it to vote for you and put a vote threshold at 5?
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Scratch #2 above. Super obvious reason that I totally missed.
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Thanks. Who originated the idea of it "clearing" both of you?In post 7183, Not Chara wrote:
farside suggested it. i didn't see a problem and agreed.In post 7182, Reasonably Rational wrote:@Not Chara - Whose idea was it to vote for you and put a vote threshold at 5?
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i'm sorry for the issues it caused. i didn't consider the possibility of a really low vote winning third. farside and i just assumed everyone would vote in Titus/mastin/Yume.
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Why? I know that Titus explicitly outed you in the table AND in her post, but there's a difference between Titus telling people what they could already figure out and you claiming it. VarsoonIn post 7186, Yume wrote:Well, it's already been revealed twice, so might as well confirm it. I am Steven.explicitlywarned us not to flavor claim. Why? *inarticulate noises*
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P-Edit: There's too many people who claimed that they voted somewhere we have no point total, or didn't vote, or just didn't answer for going much further than I did. What did I miss?
As for supposing I'm town: I can't help you there. Yume might be able to though. We were exceptionally candid with her yesterday in our alliance.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
"Reasonably Rational was bubbled on Day 2. They were Lapis Lazuli, aligned with The Crystal Gems"(town) - Varsoon
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