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I SWEAR THIS TIME WE ARE SOLVING THE GAME TOGETHERIn post 72, Reasonably Rational wrote:In post 21, farside22 wrote:vote: grapes
Some pretty cool mechanics for this game compared to last.
I can also confirmed myself as town but I need players to target me tonight to do so.
Oh on top of that I'm in amasonry with firebringer
I'm sure doubters with be a plenty.
I'M IN A MASONRY WITH...umm...whoever rolled Lapis Lazuli, cuz she's cool and wrecked Jaspar like four times or something.In post 24, Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:I am in a masonry with SirCakezso idk how reliable your claim is o.o
~Bee
Okay, not really.
In all seriousness, the double mason claims are possible I guess, but, well...let's just say it's incredibly implausible that anyone would ever claim that in the functional pre-game.
I will ally with Obi-Wan Kenobi, A50, SirCakez, or shiro with no conditions.
I will ally with mastin2, Firebringer, Yume, TWIE or randomidget if they promise to actively participate in our alliance and TALK WITH ME about the game.
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pedit: oh yes. Flavor claiming is basically really really really dumb.vonflare (21:40)
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FB can I be allies with your alliance?In post 256, Shiro wrote:In post 252, Not Chara wrote:
this is mafia. is anyone a prequel vigilante? goodness.In post 247, Shiro wrote:Hey guys I got to say something
Steven universe is awesome but to be honest?
Adventure time is better yo, Where's the adventure time mafia at D:
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You can't grasp the true form of adventure time
RR is hopefully town
Kraksaesque could be maf
FB could be town or maf with this coontent tbh
Menno and TWIE doing fuck all as per usual
Mastin and Chansa have decent chances of flipping town
Klingon feels townier this time roundvonflare (21:40)
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You, You aren't Chansa so I took a guess at who you might beIn post 507, Not Chara wrote:randomidget, who is Chansa?
I forgot I had that quoted, I think I had some witty comment but I forgotrandomidget wrote:
FB can I be allies with your alliance?In post 256, Shiro wrote:In post 252, Not Chara wrote:
this is mafia. is anyone a prequel vigilante? goodness.In post 247, Shiro wrote:Hey guys I got to say something
Steven universe is awesome but to be honest?
Adventure time is better yo, Where's the adventure time mafia at D:
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You can't grasp the true form of adventure time
RR is hopefully town
Kraksaesque could be maf
FB could be town or maf with this coontent tbh
Menno and TWIE doing fuck all as per usual
Mastin and Chansa have decent chances of flipping town
Klingon feels townier this time roundvonflare (21:40)
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Or because I feel like you are reacting way to agressively to RVS readsIn post 514, kraskaesque wrote:also randomidget and grapes are only echoing farfar's sr because it's too easyvonflare (21:40)
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In post 438, kraskaesque wrote:lmao wtf are we doing in ppl's scum poolsIn post 514, kraskaesque wrote:also randomidget and grapes are only echoing farfar's sr because it's too easy
If we do can we make our PT entirely NGNL gifs?In post 519, Shiro wrote:Random. Maybe we can be allies tommorow although I wanted to be buddy-buddy with Titus and beeboy, Got to wait and seevonflare (21:40)
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I'm up for itIn post 530, Creature wrote:I'll ally with anyone that likes chatting in PTs and won't just outright call me scum for everything I say.vonflare (21:40)
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Is this a crumb?In post 2215, Klingoncelt wrote:
Why are you doing that, Mastin?In post 2121, mastin2 wrote:
Her alignment. (No, it's not town.)In post 1961, Almost50 wrote:What the fuck is wrong with you?
You know what my alignment is.
You know that I'm Town.
You know.
Sorry I haven't been engaged since Ep 1 started, have been busy IRL, but I've skimmed the thread.
Not a fan of Obi atm
RR seems weird but they might be town
KC seems town
Creature is a strong townreadvonflare (21:40)
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great moddingIn post 3303, Varsoon wrote:To be clear, I will be using the mark to directly show what happened due to an Event from now on.
If something doesn't have that mark, then it happened due to other actions taken.
I'm going to go back and edit the previous phase's event to be this way.
Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.In post 3545, mastin2 wrote:
And the thing is.In post 3521, Reasonably Rational wrote:[There's literally someone who is declaring intent to unilaterally END the day after less than 24 hours, and I'm practically begging people to work on the big problem coming for the finale.
While I acknowledge that this scum event is indeed a threat.
While I acknowledge that a scum event like this is something ideally dealt with.
It's still mechanics.
And I know what Varsoon thinks about game mechanics, because I know what (almost) every moderator thinks of mechanics, him included:
They're meant to enhance the play of the game.
Not replace it.
What you're doing is an appeal to fear. "Ooh, this big scary mechanics thing is a huge threat". No doubt it is indeed a threat.
But you're missing the picture.
It's still not scumhunting.
It's not the part of the game, which is actually a fundamental part of the game.
So that's why you got so many votes.
Mechanics aren't at the center of this game. Scumhunting is. And they are scumhunting you.
Any time we spend on mechanics is extra, is time we spend using the extras we've been given, to counter the extras scum were given.
It's a luxury, not a necessity. One day, ten days, makes no difference.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.vonflare (21:40)
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I think that it isn't worth outing who has active abilitiesIn post 3593, Reasonably Rational wrote:
ILU random.In post 3592, Randomnamechange wrote:
great moddingIn post 3303, Varsoon wrote:To be clear, I will be using the mark to directly show what happened due to an Event from now on.
If something doesn't have that mark, then it happened due to other actions taken.
I'm going to go back and edit the previous phase's event to be this way.
Holy shit this is so fucking stupid. Mastin how do you even confbias this hard. You are literally refusing to acknowledge anything RR is saying as right.In post 3545, mastin2 wrote:
And the thing is.In post 3521, Reasonably Rational wrote:[There's literally someone who is declaring intent to unilaterally END the day after less than 24 hours, and I'm practically begging people to work on the big problem coming for the finale.
While I acknowledge that this scum event is indeed a threat.
While I acknowledge that a scum event like this is something ideally dealt with.
It's still mechanics.
And I know what Varsoon thinks about game mechanics, because I know what (almost) every moderator thinks of mechanics, him included:
They're meant to enhance the play of the game.
Not replace it.
What you're doing is an appeal to fear. "Ooh, this big scary mechanics thing is a huge threat". No doubt it is indeed a threat.
But you're missing the picture.
It's still not scumhunting.
It's not the part of the game, which is actually a fundamental part of the game.
So that's why you got so many votes.
Mechanics aren't at the center of this game. Scumhunting is. And they are scumhunting you.
Any time we spend on mechanics is extra, is time we spend using the extras we've been given, to counter the extras scum were given.
It's a luxury, not a necessity. One day, ten days, makes no difference.
VOTE: farside
I will follow RR to the death.
I was gonna suggest we ally if I don't end up dead today, but just realized we need some things cleared up real quick.
@Varsoon: can slots with only passive abilities forgo their actions? If so, will this have an effect on their passive at all? Basically, if someone with an active ability is allied to someone without an active ability, is the person with the active ability capping their contribution to 1 point?
If the answer to this question is that those without actives can't contribute, then allying for the purpose of scumhunting needs to stop for those of us who have active climax phase actions. Those slots should ally only with their strongest town reads, to minimize the number of slots with active powers that will have their sacrifice compromised by an alliance with scum.
If it doesn't matter, then we still need to be cautious, but not as much so.
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dude back the fuck up that was scompletely uncalled forIn post 3624, Almost50 wrote:In post 3360, Shiro wrote: HINT: Maybe it had to do with the joyride and him being town amids scum. Just a thought you guys. Just a thought. Almost did say there would be an event at night from it.
Every single post I read from you makes me want to strangle you not with a rope, but with barbed wire.In post 3360, Shiro wrote:almost did say he wanted somethign to succeed from there and next day the universal townread member of it disappears
1- Joy Ride was DISSOLVED before the day ended, and thus there was NO night event resulting from it.
2- FARSIDE dissolved Joy Ride, not FB.
3- If I was scum with Far, she wouldn't have dissolved my event, would she? You would think scum would have the decency to pre-plan together before they triggered an event. You'd also think they'd convene and pick the members of their own event.
4- IF the event was handpicked by scum, and it had an effect on some town player who would have to be on it for the effect to take place, you would think scum would go for some STRONG town player. Someone who would be a threat to the scum team regardless. FB only revealed his role during the Exposition phase (i.e. after the event was already on). You'd think Mastina, Obi or even RR would've been picked in there for the kill (since that's what you're implying it did).
5- The name of the event ALONE should make it clear it's a TOWN event.
6- If you missed that, the event had NO EFFECT on the stress level. Scum event tend to up the stress level.
7- You're whole argument (and -in fact- every other argument you make) is so dumb I have nothing to respond to. I only use sarcasm and humour to avoid outright calling you a shrimp.
8- The only think keeping me from voting you now and picking up on my tunnel from yesterday is the lack of confidence in all my reads from before as a result of the SC flip. I'm working on it though, and I think that I WILL end up voting you again and again and again until you're gone.
9- Being stupid is a privilege. Some just abuse it.
this is what happens when I get behind. I'm still trying to figure out the game I'm just struggling to post about it.In post 3649, farside22 wrote:In post 3647, McMenno wrote:honestly rr just kind of appeared cakez' scumreads and he was saying they were scum but he wasn't really pushing there
I am currently of the opinion that dgb is a likely traitor candidate
farside is town
honestly I haven't really read much of rr's latest posts
Maybe I can get a moment of your time.
What did you think of random's comment this day game?
I told skybird it seems like someone trying hard to wk RR for town points.
Tbf it is very rare I get mislynched. I'm completely mislynch bait but somehow talk my way out of getting lynched more or less every time.In post 3662, Reasonably Rational wrote:In post 3659, farside22 wrote:
Welcome to my world, with constant interuption and things that come up. I just have to remind myself to do something on paper. I'm weird that way.McMenno wrote:
ebwopIn post 3653, McMenno wrote:
his iso isIn post 3651, farside22 wrote: I meant to do an iso of the dude, I'll put it on my to do list.14 posts so you'll be done very quickly
Why?McMenno wrote:would you believe that I am townreading him
Like out of all the stuff he is frivolous stuff.
Then there was the time with Cakez and all he said was this?
That's typically scum behavior 101.In post 2719, Randomnamechange wrote:That will be Cakez at L-2. I would like to vote him but don't want L-1 just yet. I definitely agree with the comments about him in Soccer Spirits
EBWOP: I'll work on that RR. I have someone bugging me to play a game right now.
No worries, take you time. I know I am.
Also, random is being random. He's being lynchbait instead of helpful, but he IS lynchbait. Granted, i don't think I've ever seen him as scum, but this has all the hallmarks of what I've come to expect from him as town.
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I was clearly being ironicIn post 4940, McMenno wrote:
hypocriteIn post 4935, Randomnamechange wrote:twie is useless
This has been the randomidget hour, tune in next week for more
noun hyp·o·crite \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefsvonflare (21:40)
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Hits close to home
Reading from page 199, siding with Titus and Shiro over Farside.vonflare (21:40)
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I C&P'ed the list of alive players from the OP and removed the ones I thought were townIn post 5959, Titus wrote:
Talk to me about how you got here please. Do you think DGB is bussing?In post 5957, Randomnamechange wrote:Titus
Shadow_Step
Xkfyu
Skybird
Almost50
DrippingGoofball
Farside22
mathblade
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
SnarkySnowman
TheWayItEnds
Is my scumpool
scum are most likely in Shadow, Almost, DGB, Farside and Snarky
Then from that list I took the ones who independently I thought were likely to flip scum. I'm not convinced on Math or Shiro and I feel like there has been a scum wagon today. I think that there is one scum in DGB/Shiro/Math. I guess DGB could be bussing, but I haven't seen anything in particular that makes that especially likelyvonflare (21:40)
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My lips are sealed.In post 5963, MathBlade wrote:In post 5960, Titus wrote:Farside is bussing DGB rather?
@random what are we missing?
@Titus nopes diddly opes
And for you to believe that wouldn't you have to believe DGB is scum?vonflare (21:40)
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who is X?In post 6466, Titus wrote:
Would you be interested in an X wagon?In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
ripIn post 6482, Reasonably Rational wrote:
We got offers from A50 and farside towards the end of the day and Drixx decided we should ally with A50 instead, against my preferences basically. :/In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?
@fb: care to answer my question?
@yume: *sigh*
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np, school was kicking my arse and I didn't have time to come on for a few daysIn post 6573, Reasonably Rational wrote:
A50 promised that allying him would be worth it. We attempted to arrange a different alliance for you and if you had read the last part of the day during the night you would have seen that. It was my call and I'm sorry you ended up out of alliance as a result.In post 6455, Randomnamechange wrote:RR why did you not accept my alliance offer?vonflare (21:40)
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mate nahIn post 6615, grapes wrote:someone should vig randommidgetvonflare (21:40)
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ayy nice oneIn post 6712, DrippingGoofball wrote:I also really like randommidget for townvonflare (21:40)
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Best post in the gameIn post 7351, Almost50 wrote:
To be precise; she's also obv town.In post 7081, Shiro wrote:Fire, stop not caring damn it D: Leave yume alone, she is obv town.
that's idiotic. I only allied with Creature because there weren't many option left and I didn't ally E3 due to a misunderstanding. Maybe you should go back to posting funny pictures.In post 7371, Almost50 wrote:OK, I have now reached my decidion.
VOTE: Creature
1- For voting every wagon there was on D1, and only voting SC twice for distancing. Once was early enough for allegedly “whiteknighting” and the other when the wagon was taking off and then unvoted the following page.
2- For sheeping Shiro when they scum read me right after he had stated he scum read Shiro.
3- For allegedly voting Shadow_Step in RR's event, which doesn't make sense at all.
4- For not having an ally on E2, and allying with Town!Snarky on E3, which fits my pattern for scum behaviour on those particular 2 Episodes.
5- Overall, Creature's play is the definition of active lurking. He has over 200 posts, yet has brought a total of the square root of zero multiplied by null in any relevant direction.
Also;
FoS @ randomidget; Creatures ally on E1 who allegedly didn't vote in the event, and is not allied in E3.
FoS @ Shadow_Step; whom Creature claims to have voted for the event which I will also note as distancing (Creature's into that, btw). Shadow also voted ME for the event, which -again- makes no sense, and is not allied on E3.
W/O making a wall, my lynch pool (in order) would be:
Creature > Fire > random > Shiro > TWIE > DGB > Step
I have stated my case on Creature, and only included the reasoning on random & Shadow bc they're both directly linked to said case. However, this list includes all those who fit the patterns from both allying table and voting in RR's event.
P.S. I'm not totally against the lynch of farside either, and I can see the validity of Titus case on her. However, I'm going for the obvious first.vonflare (21:40)
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Am I outed?In post 8276, Yume wrote:Titus - Crying Breakfast Friend
RR - Market girl
mastin2 - Chiiips?
Skybird - Lord of the Universe
MoI - Untouchable
Xkfyu - Peridotty
randomidget - Mystery Man
Firebringer - Yellow Giraffe
farside - Someone I hate
And that's it.vonflare (21:40)
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Gem Crystals are all town guys.
I think we need to lynch Farside at this point. She is too much of a liability to town.
I'm not allied.
VOTE: Farside
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I agree with this analysis. My top choice out of these would be MoI. I have a pretty strong event in the bag btwCreature wrote:So last scum would be between Shiro/randomidget/TheFuzzylogic99/TheWayItEnds/MagnaofIllusion/Shadow_stepvonflare (21:40)
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SureIn post 9181, Creature wrote:Hey random, let's ally.
Third party aligned with town.In post 9183, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:
not true...Kfkyu flipped 3rd party........ I think atleast there is atleast 1 more 3rd party left overIn post 9179, Randomnamechange wrote:Gem Crystals are all town guys.
I think we need to lynch Farside at this point. She is too much of a liability to town.
I'm not allied.
VOTE: Farside
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I agree with this analysis. My top choice out of these would be MoI. I have a pretty strong event in the bag btwCreature wrote:So last scum would be between Shiro/randomidget/TheFuzzylogic99/TheWayItEnds/MagnaofIllusion/Shadow_stepvonflare (21:40)
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Because I'm an idiot who got replacements the worng way round.In post 9233, Reasonably Rational wrote:Welp, now that MoI has 100% outed you, Random, can you explain how you both thought gems were all town, but also had MoI as your top suspect out of creatures pool?
Also, MoI, we only fought Farside's kynch on one day. And we pushed REALLY hard to get farside lynched on D3, after we realized we'd be able to bypass her lynch protection, if she had any more.
Not that that went badly since we still ended up on DGB, but you're absolutely misrepresenting us fighting against Farside's lynch.
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@MoI, sorry about flaking the chat, will try to get back in there
At this point we might as well claim it. Crystal Gems are masons. We know each others role PMs.vonflare (21:40)
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That was Yme acting off of her own volition. Early on during day phase only the gem leader could talk in the chat, which was Yume. At that point we only had night chat.In post 9396, Reasonably Rational wrote:
What benign gem flip have you seen? Xkfyu killed a member of the scum team, which doesn't make them benign, it makes them want to kill people and means he's not aligned with the scum team, which means nothing without a win condition that's known.In post 9385, grapes wrote:@RR - I'm confused why you're pushing the gems as a second scumteam when we've seen a gem flip benign. Clue a guy in?
The primary problems with the gems are the constant deceit/anti-town behavior throughout the game, and their sheer power. Yume claimed mastin was conftown, but kept mastin in the dark about things. The gems didn't flip NC early in the day when asked to by Titus and myself, thus putting us into a night phase at -4 stress. The win conditions given by Yume to Titus and myself differed slightly, and the difference they concealed from Drixx and myself wasn't one which would have been worth being concerned about...so why aren't the the claims identical? Why are their win conditions concealed? For the record, the claim Yume gave us was a vague reference to needing "what we said", and said they also needed a human alive, and the win con she gave titus was needing a human and a gem alive. Nothing suspicious about needing a member of your faction alive to win, so why didn't yume claim that to us? It sounds like a detail added because it was weird to NOT need to have a member alive. How much sense, balance wise, does it make for town to have a 4 man masonry that could gain at least a fifth member, all of whose members are EXTREMELY strong roles? The strongest roles in mafia games are frequently hobbled by their swinginess, yet here....they were given knowledge that 20% of the game could be safely ignored by them, making them EVEN STRONGER.
Wholly benign gems simply don't make sense balance wise, in spite of the sense they make flavor wise.
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Pedit: fuzzy scum is pretty dang improbable imo.vonflare (21:40)
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End game earth wins and at least one town and crystal gem player is left alive.
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Skimmed it, will have another lookIn post 9437, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
And allowing for a scum lynch without a double scum kill is useless to Town again exactly how? Please explain in full this line of thought for me.In post 9417, Shadow_step wrote:Kraska used her individual event to cancel out a mostly useless scum factional event.
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Make sure to read the Crystal Gem PT Random.In post 9434, Randomnamechange wrote:We need to lynch farside today. They are too dangerous and their behaviour indicates we can't leash them.vonflare (21:40)
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RR, it might be better to go for someone else today. I'm not 100% on exactly farside's alignment ( i dont think they are town) and it could be useful to get some more info there.In post 9451, farside22 wrote:
Would you like me to use it on you?In post 9448, Creature wrote:Almost, what's your opinion on making farside22 use her extra votes on TWIE?
Funny enough Random is talking about controlling a player, but I used the ability once and he's as useless as a 3rd tit is on me this game.
If I could hot prod players to do something more and had that ability I'd be a happy person playing this game.vonflare (21:40)
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nice shade. Read the flavour, we are the ones fighting the mafia.In post 9504, Creature wrote:Guess you aren't paranoid because you're a crystal gem and you can win with mafia anyway.
yepIn post 9512, TheWayItEnds wrote:
you can see randoms actual role PM?In post 9510, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Having taken a look at Random's Role PM this clearly is a lie since only 2 of the 4 apply.In post 9502, Creature wrote:The result was on randomidget though.
Can we lynch this with fire already?
Nope, I have 2.In post 9513, Almost50 wrote:In post 9502, Creature wrote:
The result was on randomidget though.In post 9494, Almost50 wrote:
And I meant to say something but didn't know how to do it w/o outing myself, but things have changed.In post 9490, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Almost – I forgot to ask earlier – did your Night action bear any fruit? I would have expected to see something from you on it but have to ask.
The profile Creature has is mine, and the false one is #2. Creature did NOT perform an action last night.
As for me: The event is used up already (Joy Ride). The passive rewards you & RR already know about (of those living) but I suspect the whole scum team would also know since I allied with SC on E1.
The action you and RR also know about (but nobody else should have bc I told nobody except you two). It's a 1-shot ability though that gets refunded on Season Finale. It was used previously on McMenno showing he didn't "perform a HARMFUL action", while on Creature it says he "didn't perform ANY actions"
Was it? OK.. we'll have random confirm or deny (without giving details). If this result does NOT apply to him then you are getting lynched for sure.
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Please confirm if you have THREE of these abilities (and the 4th is FALSE):
1- An EVENT requiring +1 stress or higher.
2- NK-proof
3- "Passive" rewards are granted to whomever allies.
4- An investigation action telling you about other players night actions.
Masons.In post 9568, TheWayItEnds wrote:Someone name a single game where a protown faction could share role pms.vonflare (21:40)
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In post 9624, Creature wrote:If the Crystal Gems and Leftovers can win with mafia, we're possibly in LyLo today.In post 9644, mastin2 wrote:Creature is the Keep Beach City Weird player.
Does this change your analysis any?