STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Xkfyu]

@MoI:

Who would you prefer be our other ally for tomorrow?

[Yume]

Because she didn't know all the details?

[farside22]

Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?

I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.

-Cerb

DGB, Creature, random, TWIE, Firebringer?

Rr: do you know who is 3rd party?

I believe I've identified 5 of them, but I have confirmation of only 3.

-Cerb

DGB, Creature, random, TWIE, Firebringer?

I'm not going to confirm any of that, because as I said yesterday, I'm of the opinion thst it's like a number if them are effectively town, and are really practically conftown, so I'm not going to out them until I see a flip that makes it possible for them to win without town.

-Cerb

The first 2 are important for scum analyst

The first one is also more likely to be lynched when the vote count resets today if I'm lynched.

There's not a question in this sequence that I didnt already address, and it's the only thing I found about DGB.

-Cerb

Is she 3rd party, don't play obtuse

[Reasonably Rational]

I specifically said I wasn't going to confirm anything regarding any if them? I addressed your question and told you I wouldn't answer it.

@yume: she was conftown to you and you told me the gems win with town. Why didn't you share everything with her? Are you concealing things from Titus too?

Help me understand.
'Cerb

[Titus]

@RR, I think there's been a misunderstanding. I don't believe Yume killed KC.

[Not Chara]

Rational: i don't agree with all of what Yume has done, but i also have very little information about it. i just don't see the point in questioning conftown when i don't know what the heck is going on. you have information i don't.

[Titus]

@Farside, Why are you obsessed with 3p?

[Reasonably Rational]

@RR, I think there's been a misunderstanding. I don't believe Yume killed KC.

I don't believe so either. In fact, I'd even go do far as to say that had she killed KC she would have been deliberately playing against her win con.

What I'm trying tfigure is why someone she misinformed or failed to inform someone who she said is conftown.

-Cerb

Pedit: ... Am I the only one who remembers my post from yesterday? YUME IS CONF THIRD PARTY WHO CLAIMS TO WIN WITH TOWN, NOT CONFTOWN.

I'm trying to reconcile the claim that the gems win with town with the fact that Yume has actively deceived CONFTOWN, withheld information from them, AND is, as far as I can tell, denying town a flip which would confirm whether we should trust the gems or not(because KC was almost certainly a gem).

I'm not questioning conftown on their motives. The only conftown here is Titus until we see a Crystal Gem flip.

We can table this discussion if Titus doesn't think it's worth pursuing, but as far as I can tell the gems are doing everything they can do keep town from knowing anything more than they have to, and THAT is not pro town behavior.

[Titus]

@RR, I don't think Yume is lying or deceiving here.

You're going to need to back that up.

[Reasonably Rational]

@RR, I don't think Yume is lying or deceiving here.

You're going to need to back that up.

@Titus: Why wasn't mastin told about the gems being 3p? Why wasn't she properly informed about what happened with FB? Why did she believe the KC kill came from Yume?

All those conclusions are ones she could only arrive at if Yume withheld information from her. Why would Yume withhold information from conftown?

-Cerb

[Not Chara]

yume is also confirmed

Steven

. i don't care if she IS third party, she isn't a threat.
the gems as a third party faction is interesting. but they're aligned with earth and so are we. i just can't see them stealing a win from under us.

[Reasonably Rational]

It's arguable that Yume didn't lie or deceive Mastin, btw, but mastins absolute CERTAINTY that there were no third parties in the game makes me feel that at some point Yume DID outright lie to Mastin about the gems.

-Cerb

Pedit: fuck the flavor speculation. Seriously. I felt the same way you did yesterday, but since Yume has confirmed to me that the only good reason to not flip KC isn't the case, we're only left with the bad anti-town reasons, the ones where the gems don't want town to see their win condition.

[Not Chara]

maybe they don't want scum to see their win condition. i don't want to speculate on their win condition but my hypothesis about what it is isn't an anti-town one.

[MagnaofIllusion]

It's arguable that Yume didn't lie or deceive Mastin, btw, but mastins absolute CERTAINTY that there were no third parties in the game makes me feel that at some point Yume DID outright lie to Mastin about the gems.

Well this probably is a you problem then. Entirely possible Mastin didn't parse something properly or Yume wasn't as clear as she thought. But outright saying she did lie is stupid.

[DrippingGoofball]

@Farside, Why are you obsessed with 3p?

Duh because she is

[Titus]

It's arguable that Yume didn't lie or deceive Mastin, btw, but mastins absolute CERTAINTY that there were no third parties in the game makes me feel that at some point Yume DID outright lie to Mastin about the gems.

Well this probably is a you problem then. Entirely possible Mastin didn't parse something properly or Yume wasn't as clear as she thought. But outright saying she did lie is stupid.

I am taking door number 3. I do not care. Mastina said she would lynch 3p no matter what. Yume has to protect the other gems. While I would bet my bottom dollar on there being a fake claim in the gems, an omission by Yume makes perfect sense. I know whom they all are and I have zero intent on outing them. I will let their votes speak for themselves.

Remember when I was staying silent for town cohesion on third parties to start the day. This is why.

[Yume]

Actually, I did lie to her, and this is why

Ergo. This game is not going to have third party players. I would lynch any claimed third party player on sight, even if I were townreading them previously.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Actually, I did lie to her, and this is why

Ergo. This game is not going to have third party players. I would lynch any claimed third party player on sight, even if I were townreading them previously.

This is what happens when I'm missing 200+ pages of posting.

Playing outguess the Mod? Really Mastin?

[Randomnamechange]

Fire, stop not caring damn it D: Leave yume alone, she is obv town.

To be precise; she's also obv town.

Best post in the game

OK, I have now reached my decidion.

VOTE: Creature

1- For voting every wagon there was on D1, and only voting SC twice for distancing. Once was early enough for allegedly “whiteknighting” and the other when the wagon was taking off and then unvoted the following page.

2- For sheeping Shiro when they scum read me right after he had stated he scum read Shiro.

3- For allegedly voting Shadow_Step in RR's event, which doesn't make sense at all.

4- For not having an ally on E2, and allying with Town!Snarky on E3, which fits my pattern for scum behaviour on those particular 2 Episodes.

5- Overall, Creature's play is the definition of active lurking. He has over 200 posts, yet has brought a total of the square root of zero multiplied by null in any relevant direction.

Also;
FoS @ randomidget; Creatures ally on E1 who allegedly didn't vote in the event, and is not allied in E3.
FoS @ Shadow_Step; whom Creature claims to have voted for the event which I will also note as distancing (Creature's into that, btw). Shadow also voted ME for the event, which -again- makes no sense, and is not allied on E3.

W/O making a wall, my lynch pool (in order) would be:
Creature > Fire > random > Shiro > TWIE > DGB > Step

I have stated my case on Creature, and only included the reasoning on random & Shadow bc they're both directly linked to said case. However, this list includes all those who fit the patterns from both allying table and voting in RR's event.

P.S. I'm not totally against the lynch of farside either, and I can see the validity of Titus case on her. However, I'm going for the obvious first.

that's idiotic. I only allied with Creature because there weren't many option left and I didn't ally E3 due to a misunderstanding. Maybe you should go back to posting funny pictures.

[Creature]

Don't worry, he's just flailing as he'll be lynched like the others in RR/Almost/Skybird.

Voting anywhere other than farside22, DGB and RR/Almost/Skybird should be a scum tell.

[Titus]

Don't worry, he's just flailing as he'll be lynched like the others in RR/Almost/Skybird.

Voting anywhere other than farside22, DGB and RR/Almost/Skybird should be a scum tell.

Creature, there was a mod clarification. Mastina/Yume is not an alliance, so the vote number is correct. There is no certain scum in rr/almost/Skybird.

[McMenno]

Don't worry, he's just flailing as he'll be lynched like the others in RR/Almost/Skybird.

Voting anywhere other than farside22, DGB and RR/Almost/Skybird should be a scum tell.

Creature, there was a mod clarification. Mastina/Yume is not an alliance, so the vote number is correct. There is no certain scum in rr/almost/Skybird.

titus what are you on mastin herself said it was not an alliance like ages ago not the mod you just assumed it was

wait one second

VOTE: dgb

why are we not wagoning the fuck out of this riddle me this riddle me that

[Creature]

Oh nvm

[Creature]

I'll switch my vote to DGB if that wagon gets bigger than farside's.

[Creature]

Actually, just noticed something.

VOTE: DGB