Dragon Age Mafia [Game Over]

[Radical Rat]

Wow this is moving fast.

Join: Ferelden

[Radical Rat]

Wow this is moving fast.

I kinda found this funny coming from someone with a sonic avi

Afraid I'm only Sonic in spirit.

But yeah, this is my first large game, so having 20 people around to post at the speed of light is new to me

[Radical Rat]

Speculating about the nations is pointless imo. I was going to do it but scum could follow any pattern really.

-rb

This feels scummy to me. "I was gonna do this, but we just can't predict those slippery scum folk, so here's an essentially blank post."

Fos: Radical Rat

If it's because of lurking, I've just been somewhat busy lately.
The weekend should be full of life from me!

[Radical Rat]

Why do I only seem to be online when people are dead?

B(

[Radical Rat]

Are you a MS alt?

To whom are you referring?

( I FEEL SO FANCY SAYING THAT )

[Radical Rat]

you

Nope! My join date is the Real Deal™

[Radical Rat]

I am playing this game from my phone/tablet until Monday and ctrl+f is not a feature available to me.

There's usually a "Find in page" button in the menu of mobile browsers.

I will lynch anyone.

This post is up to no good.

Always

be careful about your lynches.
VOTE: randomidget


ABR is Town. Strange, yes. But Town Strange, not Scum Strange.

What's up with the Vedith wagon? It just kinda... popped up out of nowhere??
I also see people talking about PV, but I haven't seen any posts from them...

Yellowbaron is sketchy to me. Difficult to articulate, but I just feel like something's wrong with the way they're engaging. Feels... unnatural.

And lastly...

Warden Vote: Frizzy Cola

[Radical Rat]

Dunnstral,do you have a role that only makes sense as town-aligned (e.g. vigilante, while roleblocker would not be)?

No.

It's a theme game btw - scum vig is entirely possible, ESPECIALLY in a set-up like this

Aren't scum already basically all vig?

[Radical Rat]

Radical rat you realize you've voted someone that nobody else is really considering as scum right now - what's your plan?

My plan is to vote scum.

[Radical Rat]

I could be persuaded to switch to Vedith if anyone offered an explanation, but.... I haven't seen anything at all from him lately, and most of the posts in the wagon are just "It's obvious"

[Radical Rat]

Dunnstral,do you have a role that only makes sense as town-aligned (e.g. vigilante, while roleblocker would not be)?

OMG UR ROLEFISHING

lynch pls

I am playing this game from my phone/tablet until Monday and ctrl+f is not a feature available to me.

There's usually a "Find in page" button in the menu of mobile browsers.

I will lynch anyone.

This post is up to no good.

Always

be careful about your lynches.
VOTE: randomidget


ABR is Town. Strange, yes. But Town Strange, not Scum Strange.

What's up with the Vedith wagon? It just kinda... popped up out of nowhere??
I also see people talking about PV, but I haven't seen any posts from them...

Yellowbaron is sketchy to me. Difficult to articulate, but I just feel like something's wrong with the way they're engaging. Feels... unnatural.

And lastly...

Warden Vote: Frizzy Cola

bad vote for bad reasons.

Scum's goal is to lynch whoever they can. That's what was just expressed by RM here.
If that's a bad reason, so be it.

[Radical Rat]

I could be persuaded to switch to Vedith if anyone offered an explanation, but.... I haven't seen anything at all from him lately, and most of the posts in the wagon are just "It's obvious"

Something about a bad vote for "rolefishing" and avoiding this thread while posting elsewhere.

That irony is DELICIOUS.
In Dota Mafia, Vedith led a wagon on someone for doing just that.
That lynch flipped Town though, so I'm hesitant to follow that reasoning again...

[Radical Rat]

I could be persuaded to switch to Vedith if anyone offered an explanation, but.... I haven't seen anything at all from him lately, and most of the posts in the wagon are just "It's obvious"

Something about a bad vote for "rolefishing" and avoiding this thread while posting elsewhere.

That irony is DELICIOUS.
In Dota Mafia, Vedith led a wagon on someone for doing just that.
That lynch flipped Town though, so I'm hesitant to follow that reasoning again...

Hey, don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Listening to others saying it's obvious is good. Find out why.

Do you think avoiding this thread while posting elsewhere is alignment indicative?
How about a terrible halfhearted push that Vedith didn't believe?
Avoiding conflict?

1. Gut says yes. ( Admittedly limited ) experience says no.
2. I will... have to go find that push again. It didn't stand out to me as halfhearted while I was trying to catch up, but if that's accurate, yeah I can see a wagon there.
3. NAI. I'd say it's more of a personality thing than a scum thing.

[Radical Rat]

After looking through Vedith's ISO...
Shrugging noises. I don't see anything really terrible about that push. It was weak, but it was also early. Not much had happened yet.

I don't feel comfortable lynching this.

[Radical Rat]

My current lynch pool would be either randomidget or yellowbaron.

[Radical Rat]

My current lynch pool would be either randomidget or yellowbaron.

For what reasons?

RM for stating they'd lynch anyone.
Though I'm told that was joke, it still doesn't sit right with me.

YB for a general feeling of scumminess across all their posts. Nothing they say sounds natural to me.

[Radical Rat]

My current lynch pool would be either randomidget or yellowbaron.

For what reasons?

RM for stating they'd lynch anyone.
Though I'm told that was joke, it still doesn't sit right with me.

YB for a general feeling of scumminess across all their posts. Nothing they say sounds natural to me.

Well, if it's awkwardness you want, do me a favor and let me know what you think about 100 percent ego and the beiber brothers.
~boring

Ego needs to post more.
Bieber seems VI to me.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Vedith

Fuck it this guy wants to hang himself

Because he didn't submit to the Dunnstral wagon?

[Radical Rat]

@iraonavp

Who

aren't

you scumreading?
Serious question.

[Radical Rat]

Meh

VOTE: Motoko and Scully

I want to see some reasoning here.

[Radical Rat]

I think, for today at least, we should lynch outside of Tevinter.

Luna and Titus both have plans for sorting their nation, and seem reasonably confident they'll get a Masonry out of it.
That's worth letting them do, imo.

[Radical Rat]

Besides that I'm the kingmaker of Skyrim, there's no reason not to vote for me (not a slip).

I'm assuming that this is just a joke and does not relate to the game.

He's referring to Orlais as Skyrim, and he's the Kingmaker for that Nation.

[Radical Rat]

I think, for today at least, we should lynch outside of Tevinter.

Luna and Titus both have plans for sorting their nation, and seem reasonably confident they'll get a Masonry out of it.
That's worth letting them do, imo.

OK guys I found scum now. Notice how I didn't call anyone else I voted scum. I waited until I had a serious read.

Rat is scum. I guarantee it. Everybody sheep me.

What nation benefits scum the most? The one with a hidden vote for warden? The one with daychat so they can spy on and control townies? Tevinter is the most hospitable environment for more than one scum to join.

Rat doesn't want you to vote there for nebulous reasons he implies he doesn't understand himself. Tevinter has time and time again stood up for each other and defended their own members. How are they supposed to become a masonry if they deflect every single wagon on one of their members like Luna and Monole has done when we voted Dun? That vedith counterwagon was fast, and organized.

No, Tevinter had likely 2-3 scum in it and Rat is the one outside of it.

VOTE: Rat

I disagree. It makes more sense for scum to spread out so they can have eyes on ALL of the chats.
And even if I were the sole outlying scum... Why would I have picked the nation with NO secret communication? Orlais and Tevinter were full when I joined, but Antiva was still open.

Instead, I picked Ferelden because I wanted to be part of the nation with the most transparency. We can't cook up schemes, or lie about our Warden.

[Radical Rat]

No, Tevinter had likely 2-3 scum in it and Rat is the one outside of it.

How can you say that a hood is likely to have 2-3 scum in it?

If they have 3 scum,

they can guarantee a scum warden every night via a secret ballot

. If they have 2 scum, they can vote each other and have a good chance at it. That plus daychat means that if there's any hood that has more than one scum, it's them.

But you need not subscribe to that theory to see that Rat is scum.

Rat says that we should "let Imperium purify themselves and become a masonry" yet by all indications they are NOT going to ever vote for one of their members. He has slipped and revealed his agenda by not following the game closely enough. He says we shouldn't vote for Imperium. Again, this makes no sense from a townie perspective, it's a direct contradiction. He wants a masonry in Imperium but he also doesn't want to vote there. It's impossible. He's scum.

I specifically said FOR TODAY. We let Titus and Luna do their thing, and then we see what becomes of it.

[Radical Rat]

Eh, sure. I trust FC.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Feelmi Udders
I'm not 100% sure on this being scum, but the wagon formation feels much better than Vedith's, and I agree that their lurking seems particularly insidious.

Warden Vote: Randomidget

[Radical Rat]

I specifically said FOR TODAY. We let Titus and Luna do their thing, and then we see what becomes of it.

Why won't you let Orlais do their (our) thing too?

Unless I missed it, no one's expressed having a thing to do for Orlais.

[Radical Rat]

I never scumread Masq.

You might not have, your hydra partner did.

M&S was trying to convince me ABR was scum, I said I didn't think they were scum for outing as King but depending how they play it might be scummy/fake town points. Then ABR starts literally trolling which I don't like so I voted. But I realise that I rly don't like the way M&S is trying to push the ABR wagon (more than I dislike ABR's play so far).

This is similar to the emote thing. What's scummy about the trolling? He is doing other things.

Also how is naked facepalm NOT a terrible response? I guess I missed the memo where you don't need to post content or have dialogue to solve the game - I'm sure we can all just use a bunch of smilies and we'll find scum ez right?

What the hell is scummy about one facepalm emote? It's not like the only thing he's been posting are emotes.

Also, me talking to TBB was actually responding to their post to me. I said I think they are role fishing and I find that scummy. But I did say that it's possible it wasn't actually a role-fish. Like 4 people said it wasn't and I find it highly unlikely that it was all scum who said it, so I droppes the issue.

This is fencesitty af

Yes, I have more than a few scumreads. This is bad because...why exactly?

There's no focus in your reads and it looks like scum hopping around trying to get something to stick

Scumclaim.

[Radical Rat]

Actually simple way to verify it.

Is anyone else in the game here a mage? I am a mage, if more exist then more than one assasin rogues are a thing. If not then things will take an interesting turn here.

Yes, hello, I am a mage.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: yellowbaron

Threatening to blacklist someone for scumreading you seems kind of sketchy to me.
Much more than kind of, actually.

[Radical Rat]

Alienating yourself could get you ignored.
And when you're being ignored, you can coast.

I'm not groping here. I haven't liked you from the beginning, and now I actually have something concrete to go off of.

[Radical Rat]

Like my behaviour apparently got much worse and I did a scumthing and Cakez EASES off the pressure. The potential wagon looks more likely and Cakez starts distancing from his case - "you're not even my top scumread".

Rat is prototypical scum going after opportunity lynch where he thinks he can just blame it on AtE afterwards.

~rb

If I wanted opportunity, I'd have gone after Vedith.

Plus I've been publicly suspicious of you all game. You're just not making it any better.

[Radical Rat]

Cakez' scumread on me is getting weaker in contrast to other people's getting stronger (implying that my responses are actually bad/scummy) - why?

Multiple people keep pointing out my scummy responses, Cakez case gains traction and he's like "nope nope nope" all of a sudden?

~rb

You're acknowledging that your posts are scummy, yet you're calling me an opportunistic vulture for voting you?

You do have a point in that Cakez' read should not be weakening, but this doesn't add up.

[Radical Rat]

(implying that my responses are actually bad/scummy)

[Radical Rat]

Besides, if they aren't scummy, then Cakez backing off should be fine, shouldn't it? After all, wouldn't scum be MORE likely to follow the crowd's perception of scumminess?

[Radical Rat]

I must say, I do like how Tevinter is functioning as a unit. If they are, in fact, all-town, we have an anti-scum faction that won't be split apart by petty bussing, which could prove invaluable.

That said, I'm not privy to whatever forbidden knowledge you guys have acquired on Masquerade, so I'm feeling much better about a baron lynch.

[Radical Rat]

I'm not going to keep responding to your garbage

Well I can respect the sentiment here, you really should at least drop a vote if you still think they're scum.

[Radical Rat]

While I can*

[Radical Rat]

This is completely unrelated to everything going on rn, but...

@mod
Does Ferelden's Warden Vote operate under the hammer system, or just whoever has the most votes at the end of the day?

[Radical Rat]

I'm not going to leave the wagon on scum!vedith to start a vanity wagon on baron, that would be stupid
but I can guarantee I will drag their scummy ass into a rope first thing tomorrow

Vedith is scummy for their lack of posting.
Baron is scummy because of their posts.

Personally, I think Baron is the smarter wagon.
Besides, a good chunk of Vedith lynchers moved to Masquerade.

[Radical Rat]

Please use the last will mechanic. Also, I would rather have Cakey or FC was Warden. Why Random?

I also would prefer FC, but she said she wants Random, and I trust her.

[Radical Rat]

Masquerade's response here is garbage, and there's actually a chance of the lynch going through...

I'm not done with you though, Baron... You will be lynched before this decade is out.

VOTE: Masquerade

[Radical Rat]

This townblocking is actually absurd to me because it seems largely based on nation selection but as I've said I don't think you could accurately glean what is or isn't scumplay since they could do the expected or unexpected. Scum/townreading based on nation joined just seems dumb to me until there's actual flips.

Rat is scum
Cakez is scum

In wayb4 omgus :^)

In order for it to be an OMGUS, we would have to be... y'know... not already scumreading you?
If anything, you're the one OMGUSing.

[Radical Rat]

This is why I asked the mod about if hammering is even a thing with Warden Votes.

[Radical Rat]

Masquerade's response here is garbage, and there's actually a chance of the lynch going through...

I'm not done with you though, Baron... You will be lynched before this decade is out.

VOTE: Masquerade

Why you wanna lynch a townie though?

...oh, right.

Where did I say that Masquerade was Townie?
Where did I say that you were Townie?

[Radical Rat]

Masquerade's response here is garbage, and there's actually a chance of the lynch going through...

I'm not done with you though, Baron... You will be lynched before this decade is out.

VOTE: Masquerade

Why you wanna lynch a townie though?

...oh, right.

Where did I say that Masquerade was Townie?
Where did I say that you were Townie?

I didn't say that you said it, but you want to lynch me and I'm a townie. Why you wanna do that?

Because I don't think you are a townie. That's already been established.

[Radical Rat]

Masquerade's response here is garbage, and there's actually a chance of the lynch going through...

I'm not done with you though, Baron... You will be lynched before this decade is out.

VOTE: Masquerade

More I think about, the more this post gets awful.

Scum don't offer pathetic threats, "you will be lynched before this decade is out" lmao. Try harder to look like you're motivated to scumhunt pls.

I have a flair for drama. Hence the mangled Kennedy quote, instead of something actually threatening, like tomorrow.
The main purpose of that statement was to clarify that I'm not just hopping off of you for an easy lynch. You're still on my radar, and I still want you dead.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, so as long someone's voted, we're not gonna go wardenless.

[Radical Rat]

"Hello, I won't talk to you about my scumreads unless you vote them first, kthxbai"

[Radical Rat]

Hello, I am 20 pages behind, and not particularly motivated to read them.

If anything important happened, I will, but if it was just arguing over the same stuff, I'll just focus on the future.

So, let me know if there was anything I should go back for.

[Radical Rat]

Oh shit.
What brought that on?

At any rate, my claim is Battlemage, and I should not have a giant wagon, because I am Town. Though I don't really have a way to prove that yet, I invite anyone with a cop ability to check me out. Obviously, don't claim that though.

[Radical Rat]

What's your warden ability?

Forgive me, but it's one I find to be rather threatening to the scum, and would rather not say.

[Radical Rat]

There's already two cop claims :^)

Then they will verify my story.

[Radical Rat]

I don't really have anything more to say without specific posts to defend.

[Radical Rat]

I'm not claiming the Warden Ability.

If you lynch me for it, it's your loss.

[Radical Rat]

Beeboy's lord and saviour now?

Maybe I should go back and read those 20 pages... Eh, I'll do it during night phase when the amount I have to read doesn't steadily grow as I make progress.

[Radical Rat]

Bye guys! Have fun and behave!

Hey guys, let's lynch him while he's not looking.

This is a joke. Anyone who's been in a game with me before knows I despise lynching people while they're away. Though it may not have come up in Dota...

[Radical Rat]

Guess I used the wrong spoiler tag there.

Ah well.

[Radical Rat]

Which post will hold the TRUE VC???

Tune in next week to find out!

[Radical Rat]

Oh, well that answers that.

[Radical Rat]

Hey RR, regardless of your alignment, you've brought a smile to my face, and are making this game fun for me again, thanks ^_^

I'm happy to hear that!

Hopefully you can keep having fun through the rest of the game, especially with such interesting mechanics.

[Radical Rat]

I see there are 20 pages from when I was prodded to now! I assume most of this game is not worth reading thus far.

Vote: Rat

Just noticed this. Lynch FMU.

So, if I'm reading this right, Udders here drops a vote on me without reading the 20 pages that seem to have actually given my wagon traction.

Yeah, I can get behind that more than a sheep Masq vote.
VOTE: Feelmi Udders

[Radical Rat]

Sure, I'll oblige you.

Only because we were scum together once though. ( Assuming beeboy is talking )

UNVOTE:

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Feelmi Udders

This being L-1 actually makes me kind of nervous.

I do hope they Beetlejuice before a hammer...
But I suppose they HAVE had plenty of opportunity to show up and play...

[Radical Rat]

Considering im outed we're currently re-assesing in my nation who's becoming warden, and that kinda needs to happen before the lynch.

You were outed?

Guess that masonry's not happening then, huh?

[Radical Rat]

Agreed Beeboy. I just get so frustrated at the personal insults that I crack from time to time. There's only so much one can take of being called stupid/dumb/ignorable/whatever the insult of the day is without actual substance being discussed that occasionally I do crack. I'm usually good about taking them but ones to my personal intelligence sting. I can take off the wall, different, unique, etc.

For what it's worth, you're one of the players I've come to really respect in my time here on MafiaScum

[Radical Rat]

Hey Shiro

Wanna make a contract?

Hmmm

What sort of contract?

Become a Magical Girl and hunt witches for me!

Sorry, had to be done. I'll stop memeing now.

[Radical Rat]

I was too busy being lurking scum in our last game to realize I like you rad rat.

[Radical Rat]

This is awful...

Feelmi Udders is probably town-aligned.

Anything in particular making you say that?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Feelmi Udders

This being L-1 actually makes me kind of nervous.

I do hope they Beetlejuice before a hammer...
But I suppose they HAVE had plenty of opportunity to show up and play...

This is scum, and voting another town-aligned player too.

This is STANDARD for me. I don't like lynching people who aren't here to defend themselves, and I will never hammer them until they show up, but will very hesitantly L-1 them.

If I need to pull quotes from other games I will.

[Radical Rat]

or just get anyone else in your hood to confirm that.

Confirmed. PV claimed lie detector and checked Luna.

How is it possible to be lie detector if it's only you can be PR from being elected to Warden... I don't believe you.

But PV did claim that.

What?

But PV did claim that.

So what... I know that he did claim that, I don't expect Mokoto and Scully to lie.

You uh... literally said you didn't believe them.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Feelmi Udders

This being L-1 actually makes me kind of nervous.

I do hope they Beetlejuice before a hammer...
But I suppose they HAVE had plenty of opportunity to show up and play...

This is scum, and voting another town-aligned player too.

This is STANDARD for me. I don't like lynching people who aren't here to defend themselves, and I will never hammer them until they show up, but will very hesitantly L-1 them.

If I need to pull quotes from other games I will.

You don't like lynching them, but bringing them to L-1 where Intent comes out is ok?

It's not "ok"
I don't like it, but I recognize it as a necessary step to provoke some people out of lurking.

I would have been

VERY

pissed if someone just hammered then instead of just stating intent.

[Radical Rat]

Okay, I meant to say I don't believe that this happened, not that I don't believe Mokoto and Scully.

VOTE: Feelmi Udders

This being L-1 actually makes me kind of nervous.

I do hope they Beetlejuice before a hammer...
But I suppose they HAVE had plenty of opportunity to show up and play...

This is scum, and voting another town-aligned player too.

This is STANDARD for me. I don't like lynching people who aren't here to defend themselves, and I will never hammer them until they show up, but will very hesitantly L-1 them.

If I need to pull quotes from other games I will.

That is not why your post is obviously scum-aligned at all. The fact that you assume it does also makes you scum-aligned.

Anyway, lynching Feelmi Udders is such a stupid idea when PeregrineV basically scumslipped...

Then why is this one scum-aligned compared to my original vote?
The only difference is me talking about how I'm nervous because they aren't here.

[Radical Rat]

Radical Rat, unvote immediately.

Dunnstral already did. They're at L-2 now, there's no reason for me to unvote, especially not because another scumread told me to.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Feelmi Udders

This being L-1 actually makes me kind of nervous.

I do hope they Beetlejuice before a hammer...
But I suppose they HAVE had plenty of opportunity to show up and play...

This is scum, and voting another town-aligned player too.

This is STANDARD for me. I don't like lynching people who aren't here to defend themselves, and I will never hammer them until they show up, but will very hesitantly L-1 them.

If I need to pull quotes from other games I will.

This is saying that you know Feelmi Udders will flip town-aligned.

That is a blatant misrep. Nothing in that post indicates this in the slightest.

[Radical Rat]

To be fair, there could be multiple types of mages.

For example, I'm a Battlemage. ABR could be some other mage with different abilities.

[Radical Rat]

Speculating about the nations is pointless imo. I was going to do it but scum could follow any pattern really.

-rb

This feels scummy to me. "I was gonna do this, but we just can't predict those slippery scum folk, so here's an essentially blank post."

Fos: Radical Rat

If it's because of lurking, I've just been somewhat busy lately.
The weekend should be full of life from me!

I think, for today at least, we should lynch outside of Tevinter.

Luna and Titus both have plans for sorting their nation, and seem reasonably confident they'll get a Masonry out of it.
That's worth letting them do, imo.

OK guys I found scum now. Notice how I didn't call anyone else I voted scum. I waited until I had a serious read.

Rat is scum. I guarantee it. Everybody sheep me.

What nation benefits scum the most? The one with a hidden vote for warden? The one with daychat so they can spy on and control townies? Tevinter is the most hospitable environment for more than one scum to join.

Rat doesn't want you to vote there for nebulous reasons he implies he doesn't understand himself. Tevinter has time and time again stood up for each other and defended their own members. How are they supposed to become a masonry if they deflect every single wagon on one of their members like Luna and Monole has done when we voted Dun? That vedith counterwagon was fast, and organized.

No, Tevinter had likely 2-3 scum in it and Rat is the one outside of it.

VOTE: Rat

I disagree. It makes more sense for scum to spread out so they can have eyes on ALL of the chats.
And even if I were the sole outlying scum... Why would I have picked the nation with NO secret communication? Orlais and Tevinter were full when I joined, but Antiva was still open.

Instead, I picked Ferelden because I wanted to be part of the nation with the most transparency. We can't cook up schemes, or lie about our Warden.

"Hello, I won't talk to you about my scumreads unless you vote them first, kthxbai"

The last post was obviously supposed to be making fun of someone else, hence the quotes, but RR should have quoted them.

Otherwise, these other RR posts above don't seem that scummy? The first one seems kinda like a new player and the rest seem like he's actually scum hunting.

The last quote is very scum-aligned and fake, he just pops into the thread to take one potshot at yellowbaron and then leaves like his Sonic the Hedgehog avatar...

He isn't a new player and he is trying to appear more open but it looks really bad.

I mean, this is only my... 5th game? MAYBE 6th?

Newbie
Newbie
Detective Conan
Greatest Idea
Dota
This

Yeah, 6th.
I still consider myself pretty new.

[Radical Rat]

Yeah and how convenient that he claimed the exact same (2-shot) limitation i did have, if there's scum in tevinter, then ABR is definitively scum getting info from them.

Are the x-shots supposed to be different?
Mine's also 2-shot, I just assumed everyone's was so that no one person could be warden forever.

p-edit: Ninja'd, but whatever.

[Radical Rat]

Anyway, I'm heading off for now. It's almost 2:00 AM here.

Try not to spawn 20 more pages for me to read, and in return I shall try to appear earlier so they can be read as they come.

[Radical Rat]

Spoiler: Giant rant about this game most of you don't really need to read.

I have never suggested a policy lynch before, nor do I ever plan to again, but rb is literally making it impossible for me to read this game. Not as in town/scum read, as in summoning the motivation to actually move my eyes to the next word on the page.

I have a strong moral conviction against replacing out, and this is a really interesting set-up I don't want to abandon.

So fuck it. I don't care how powerful your role is late-game, or how role power even scales like that, I am tired of this.


And one last thing.
It isn't Titus rb. It's

you

. Titus is stubborn, yes, and may even be confbiasing as hard as you say. But this CONSTANT shit-flinging at her and random "Just kill me then" episodes are what make this so unbearable.

I apologize for all of that.
Anyway,
VOTE: rb

I'll move if I see a guilty.

[Radical Rat]

Sorry, I'm not really caught up at all.
UNVOTE:

I just hit a point in the thread and lost my cool for a moment.
I'll try to read again once I'm confident I'm calm enough.

[Radical Rat]

@Mod
Would it be possible for you to cut that spoiler out of #2817?

I understand if it's considered cheating to do so, and you can't, but I really regret posting that, and I'd rather not have something like that just sitting in the thread.

Thank you.

[Radical Rat]

Ira, how do you take me saying I'd move off of a policy vote if there was a confirmed guilty to mean that I already knew there was a guilty?

[Radical Rat]

I set the terms to change my vote.

That's NAI.

[Radical Rat]

@Mod
Would it be possible for you to cut that spoiler out of #2817?

I understand if it's considered cheating to do so, and you can't, but I really regret posting that, and I'd rather not have something like that just sitting in the thread.

Thank you.

Its already spoilered so I really can't do anything more. Sorry

That's alright, I understand.
Sorry for posting it on the first place.

[Radical Rat]

Warden Vote: Frizzy Cola

Our Warden should be confirmed now unless someone changes it.

Standing by to hammer when the other nations are good.

[Radical Rat]

So... What if Scum just didn't kill?

I know that's not very common meta here, but in Town of Salem it seemed like almost every game Scum would pick a night, usually N1, to just not kill and let people mislynch whoever got blocked.

With none of the wardens claiming either Roleblocker or Doctor, I think that's our best guess. Unless someone's lying and actually saved me from PV, in which case thank you, and put it in your last will.

[Radical Rat]

This isn't Town of Salem though

The only other possibility is that one of the Warden claimers lied.

Until we see all their last wills, or one of them comes forward( which I do not advise ), we won't know so trying to guess who targeted who and what stopped them would be an exercise in WIFOM.

So, I'm gonna roll with Ockham's Razor and say there was no kill because no one tried to kill.

[Radical Rat]

Nope

The hell am I supposed to do though? Vote RR?

Double nope

I am insulted, but you can always vote yourself.

[Radical Rat]

Attention!

No one may self vote for being Warden. This is for all of the nations.

Whoops, okay then. My bad.

[Radical Rat]

So, I'm gonna roll with Ockham's Razor and say there was no kill because no one tried to kill.

uhh, occam's razor says the most simple possibility for a missing kill is because it was blocked. You said yourself that it's not meta for scum to NK so that's going leaps in logic there, while it is a possibility it's an unlikely one imo.

Before the Warden claims, yes.

But between the two options of an elaborate lie by one of the wardens, and Scum trying to confuse Town, I find Scum trying to confuse Town the simpler choice.

But hey, we already have the lynch determined, so if you wanna spend the day making unverifiable guesses about what could have stopped a kill, don't let me stop you.

[Radical Rat]

Nothing. I just believe ABR lies and degrades as both alignments.

Then lol guilty. Best thing to be wrong on ever.

But yesterday you were more for him being town lying, correct?
Something must have changed your opinion as now you feel stronger to him being scum than town (otherwise you wouldn't want his lynch, of course).

Yeah, a guilty happened.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, I'm just gonna hammer before this shit starts up again. Everyone has their Warden, right?

[Radical Rat]

Previous posting says you do.
Hammer time.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Radical Rat]

Ok but can we address what RR just did?

I hammered before we got another 50 pages of Titus vs. rb.

Or at least I thought I did, though apparently I lost track of a vote somewhere.

If you want to lynch me for that, go right ahead. At least then I won't have to put up with this anymore.

[Radical Rat]

If this day ends early before I get done with Titus, I'm going to absolutely shit this entire thread up with toxicity so that this is the most unenjoyable game ever played by anyone. I DARE you to lynch her.

Is there seriously not anything we can do about this shit?
Like at all?

[Radical Rat]

All Titus said was that if you were warden, we need to find out what stopped the NK.

Personally, I don't think it really matters, and I have my own theory anyway, but that is still far from calling you a liar.

So why is it that you INSIST on taking everything Titus says, even reaching out to you, as some attempt to frame you as lying scum?

I don't think you really believe what you're saying.

[Radical Rat]

How does everyone think ABR would have gotten this Scum feed anyway?

Scum would need to have daytalk for that, which I've seen nothing indicating, and haven't even seen outside of my Newbies.

[Radical Rat]

Hi I am here to sheep for now

There's a guilty on Albert B. Rampage that hasn't been lynched yet because rb and Titus wanted to tell at each other a bit longer.

[Radical Rat]

Hey Radical Rat are you trying to say you don't find these interactions useful for sorting now? Surely you'd be gleaning some ideas from these interactions that are now happening?

While I can appreciate that it's been more civil since Luna got involved, I can't say it's particularly useful.

I haven't seen anything not already established, though I will say that Titus calling for a protective claim is... Interesting.

[Radical Rat]

You know RR you keep saying things are "... Interesting."[sic]

Why don't you just say what you think they mean relative to people's alignments?

Because I'm not sure yet. On one hand, the role fishing is suspicious. If the doc outs, they will die.

On the other hand, knowing who was protected would give us a conftown, which is a very good thing.

[Radical Rat]

Yeah, what was the deal with the lock?

[Radical Rat]

Alright, I'm just gonna hammer before this shit starts up again. Everyone has their Warden, right?

this is sketchy af
RR goes tomorrow

Cakez does look more passive than what i remember, if you're really masons with beeboy you should ask him, he's better at reading cakez than me.

Yeah because I don't like posting during rb vs Titus wars

A bit hypocritical there, don't you think?

The only difference is I took an action to try stopping rb vs Titus instead of just hiding.

[Radical Rat]

I could dayvig Scum and you'd still find a way to call it scummy, Ira.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, I'm just gonna hammer before this shit starts up again. Everyone has their Warden, right?

this is sketchy af
RR goes tomorrow

Cakez does look more passive than what i remember, if you're really masons with beeboy you should ask him, he's better at reading cakez than me.

Yeah because I don't like posting during rb vs Titus wars

A bit hypocritical there, don't you think?

The only difference is I took an action to try stopping rb vs Titus instead of just hiding.

How is me saying your quickhammer attempt was scummy hypocritical?

Your refusal to post during their fighting has similar motivation. I just didn't want their rumble to happen at all.

[Radical Rat]

Alright, I just caught up, and I have got THINGS TO SAY.

Firstly, yes, I am redirector. The reason I was so hesitant to claim that when I was asked is because I wanted to find Scum and make them kill themselves. I was afraid that outing myself would get me killed before I could make that happen. But Shiro's already got me outed, so the jig is up, I guess.
I think there's exactly two of every role, probably to limit counter-claims.

Foxbee's plan needs to happen tonight. Yes, things can go wrong with it, but it will be very easy to tell where it went wrong, and pull Scum out from that.

Titus, suppose the mod came on and confirmed that Tevinter had at least one Scum. Who would you suspect? I know you're confident and all, but your reads haven't exactly been accurate so far this game. I highly suggest you reconsider.

Dunnstral, how exactly do you know there's a Scum nation? To me that seems to negate the other nations' usefulness.

Luna, there are people here who still believe in you. Please don't give up on the game just yet. That said, sheeping beeboy almost seems like optimal play lately.

VOTE: Motoko and Scully
Sorry, I love watching you play, but your reads and theories just aren't lining up with the truth. You're trying to will a masonry into existence despite all evidence saying Scum knows what goes on in your PT, and you're basing your view of the entire gamestate on that faulty assumption.
You're either scum, or in the midst of an absurd confbias.


P-edit: Luna, chill. You don't need to take Scum redirecting a cop personally.

[Radical Rat]

That post makes zero sense and is scum-aligned.

Who is scum-aligned in the topic?

Why are you voting Mokoto and Scully over Shiro then?

That is such a scum-aligned post...

Which one? Mine or Luna's?

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Radical Rat

There is probably scum-aligned warden and he was elected as it.

Alright then, that answers that.

I'm voting Motoko and Scully because her threat is during the day.

Shiro might be scum, sure, but if we don't let her become warden, there's nothing to worry about.

[Radical Rat]

That post makes zero sense and is scum-aligned.

Who is scum-aligned in the topic?

Why are you voting Mokoto and Scully over Shiro then?

That is such a scum-aligned post...

Which one? Mine or Luna's?

Tevinter Imperium obviously.

You are voting Mokoto and Scully under this pretense.

Radical Rat is also treating Mokoto and Scully like they are town-aligned and wrong (which they almost surely are...).

Because that's still a possibility. I don't believe in the "shut up, you're Scum" approach. If they are Town, they'll show it, and I'll move my vote.

[Radical Rat]

Dunnstral, how exactly do you know there's a Scum nation? To me that seems to negate the other nations' usefulness.

ZI'm sticking to my guns and saying this was mod-provided info when I signed up to the game

If it was mod provided info, why is the mod refusing to answer the question now?

[Radical Rat]

Dunnstral/Shiro OR Luna( not both)/Titus

Best guess at a scumteam rn. I know I'm still missing one (or two?) but I'm confident here.

Dunnstral for "knowing" unrevealed details about Scum
Titus for already said reasons
Shiro for redirecting or Luna for lying.

[Radical Rat]

Sighs.
Alright, what is it this time?

Because I'm redirector? In that case my scumminess depends solely on there being a Scum warden. Which aside from Dunnstral's imaginary mod-confirm, there is nothing to indicate.

If you absolutely must lynch a redirector, Shiro, who we KNOW was warden, is the objectively better choice. If she flips town, I'll accept that lynch on me, though my town flip will just confirm that Luna lied.

If it's because I'm not voting Shiro, I've already explained, though perhaps I can do it a bit more clearly now.

Motoko/Scully have a huge day presence, and if they're scum, a lot of leverage to push mislynches.
Shiro has much less influence over the formation of wagons, partly because she's not leading a fake "masonry," and partly because she's just quieter. I don't believe that Scum have a warden, so by simply not electing Shiro, she becomes much lower priority.

If it's because I'm arguing against the existence of a Scum warden, I'm not the only one doing so, and current evidence backs up the assumption that we don't have one more than the assumption that we do.

Anything else, you're free to ask about.

[Radical Rat]

Yeah and how convenient that he claimed the exact same (2-shot) limitation i did have, if there's scum in tevinter, then ABR is definitively scum getting info from them.

Are the x-shots supposed to be different?
Mine's also 2-shot, I just assumed everyone's was so that no one person could be warden forever.

p-edit: Ninja'd, but whatever.

This is fake, you are trying to appear ignorant of this to make yourself look town-aligned.

You said "but whatever", because you know that three other people already saying your point makes posting it pointless if you are town-aligned, but you still want to post it because your objective is to make yourself look town-aligned.

Unless, you know... All of Orlais

wasn't

in on this conspiracy, and ABR

wasn't

the attempted kill...

[Radical Rat]

.... What the hell is that quote doing there?

[Radical Rat]

@RR, Yeah. If ABR wasn't the kill, explain the no kill.

There's no action left but for Shiro's if ABR wasn't the kill.

That means you were bp and wardened. Thus scum.

Scum just didn't kill. Probably exactly so you

would

start doubting the claims.

[Radical Rat]

Redirecting Luna at all doesn't make sense without Scum Tevinter.

Not only would they have to know that she was Warden, but also who she was targetting. What if Luna had chosen to check one of them? Then forcing a guilty would have blown up in their faces.

[Radical Rat]

@RR, Yeah. If ABR wasn't the kill, explain the no kill.

There's no action left but for Shiro's if ABR wasn't the kill.

That means you were bp and wardened. Thus scum.

Scum just didn't kill. Probably exactly so you

would

start doubting the claims.

Scum no killed when there were 2 outed cops, an outed protective

Furthermore if scum no killed to create doubt in claims, that's an all town Tevinter.

I don't see the connection between a no kill and a Tevinter Masonry.
Creating doubt in the claims allows more mislynch targets to be opened up, which is a good thing for Scum no matter what nation they're in.

[Radical Rat]

No. Redirecting Luna to scum just makes it a high likelihood of free mislynches. They would save the redirect for a day when they needed it.

If they knew ABR was getting checked, they just NK him.

No need for redirect as that just tells town things.

I'm not buying scum no killed with this many PR hints.

And I'm not buying that there was some massive Orlesian conspiracy to cover up their Wardens and Kings.

[Radical Rat]

Titus, I won't disagree that your theories make some sort of sense. The problem is, they're just that. Unless you're scum and

know

these scenarios took place, you can't be this confident in trying to push a lynch based on it.

I can know because every other scenario has absurdity throughout.

Just because I cracked the game faster doesn't make me scummy.

So does your conspiracy theory.

For it to be true, scum would have had to deliberately kill off their supporters, and trust their night action to basically a roll of the dice.
All of this in addition to the unrelated cover up going on in Orlais that everyone just... went with?


No matter what happened, something absurd did. And I think a No Kill aimed at discrediting the claims that were already sketchy at best makes the most sense.

[Radical Rat]

Luna, can we continue this in the hood. Like there's zero productive from this.

Assholes ruined this game.

I am an adolescent for scum reading you? Despite you confbiasing me for 3 dies while I also provide actual proof you re scum and I am the asshole?
Ok then Titus

ABR and RB were the assholes.

You just think ego and tantrums are evidence.

Evidence proves things.

Like ABR being the NK so no scum in Tevinter.

You can't buy there's an all town hood you are not in.

Because everything that has happened points toward Scum leaking info from Tevinter.
You've just made up this scenario where scum rely on luck for their lynches and entire neighborhoods lie randomly to convince yourself that there's not.

Either you are the Scumleak trying desparately to cover yourself up, or you're just too far into your confbias to accept that you were wrong about your pre-game reads.

[Radical Rat]

This game is a chore

foxbeebirdboy, where else are you willing to lynch? M&S isn't getting lynched

I still want you to track who luna visits tonight or do whatever

And why aren't they getting lynched? They're at L-2. That's lynch danger if you ask me.

[Radical Rat]

Luna, can we continue this in the hood. Like there's zero productive from this.

Assholes ruined this game.

I am an adolescent for scum reading you? Despite you confbiasing me for 3 dies while I also provide actual proof you re scum and I am the asshole?
Ok then Titus

ABR and RB were the assholes.

You just think ego and tantrums are evidence.

Evidence proves things.

Like ABR being the NK so no scum in Tevinter.

You can't buy there's an all town hood you are not in.

Because everything that has happened points toward Scum leaking info from Tevinter.
You've just made up this scenario where scum rely on luck for their lynches and entire neighborhoods lie randomly to convince yourself that there's not.

Either you are the Scumleak trying desparately to cover yourself up, or you're just too far into your confbias to accept that you were wrong about your pre-game reads.

Nope. I am right. There is no evidence suggesting a leak in Tevinter. The last possibility of that died with RB.

The evidence is that scum decided to redirect Luna even with the threat of a Watcher being posted in the main thread, and decided to make her result guilty, despite no indication of who she would check being posted in public.

That's not a move Scum makes hoping to get lucky. That's a move Scum makes when they know it will work.

[Radical Rat]

Except there's no proof of any kind that ABR was the NK.

That theory literally is you just making stuff up to create a scenario where it was possible.

Granted, there's no proof they just didn't kill either, but at least that possibility isn't dependent on Town making gambit plans with no direct communication.

[Radical Rat]

THe fact no one died proves ABR was warden.

There's zero other possibility, as every claimed warden refuted the heal.

I mean, to you there is.

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Why isn't a deliberate no kill a possibility?
No, it's not meta, and yes there were PRs that could have been targetted.

But what's stopping them from doing so? The motivation is there, and I'd even say it worked, because here you are arguing against the claims.

Killing ABR though? There's no motivation, he was a prime mislynch target. He very blatantly lied about being cop, and literally no one believed him. So why kill him?

[Radical Rat]

THe fact no one died proves ABR was warden.

There's zero other possibility, as every claimed warden refuted the heal.

I mean, to you there is.

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Why isn't a deliberate no kill a possibility?
No, it's not meta, and yes there were PRs that could have been targetted.

But what's stopping them from doing so? The motivation is there, and I'd even say it worked, because here you are arguing against the claims.

Killing ABR though? There's no motivation, he was a prime mislynch target. He very blatantly lied about being cop, and literally no one believed him. So why kill him?

He wasn't lynched, so people did.
Too many outed PRs.
ABR being lynched would not happen because he would just personally berate anyone who tried.

The PRs being outed would discourage a no kill, yes. But not eliminate it from possibility. Especially a no kill in a game like this that casts doubt onto everyone who claims, thus allowing a potential lynch of these PRs.

What is impossible is ABR and rb making this convoluted scheme with no way to discuss it. At least not without other people being in on it who would have confirmed it by now.

[Radical Rat]

In the contrary

Scum in Tevinter that knew what Luna was doing could no kill to get the easy lynch on ABR and then frame her and every single warden of night 1

Which makes more sense to you?
(this assuming Luna town)

Actually..Yea

I believe this is what happened.

It doesn't even matter who they lynch first. Assume me, flip town, was honest, flip Luna, flip town, night 1 warden hunt to find the lier and presumably all of them flipping town. It was the perfect plan. Scum couldn't know I knew RR was also redirector which would bust tge plan and the fact that they have their own warden.

Sorry for doubting you Luna

Actually, I did know you knew I was redirector. Both of us had the same flavor, so logically we had the same role.
I was actually kind of worried you would out me when I declined to share my Warden power D1.

VOTE: Radical Rat

I can see Beeboy town and pushing Titus here, but regardless if my hood dis approve, I don't see Titus scum here.
Personally I was hoping that it was just Titus manipulating Luna into lying, which could still be the case but less doubtful. The could have been easily argues.
Regardless, Titus plays better as scum (minus the manipulating, that's NAI).

If anything I would say Luna is more scum that Titus.
Shiro I still have as town, so as pointed out, keeping Luna alive keeps Shiro alive (though it was flipped).

I keep seeing mention of Radical Rat as scum. Why?

Because, by also being a redirector, I'm the easiest scapegoat.

[Radical Rat]

I kinda like the Scum chooses between a Warden and a kill thing.
It neatly ties up all the loose ends we have about night activity, and feels a bit more balanced then the Warden and a kill scenario.

So, if it wasn't Shiro, because that claim would be suicide...
And it wasn't me, because I'm not scum...

There's a third redirector out there somewhere.
Maybe Dunnstral, since he knew Scum had Warden in some capacity, and I can't imagine scum being eager to point out when they can't kill...

Still, Shiro and I both need to be conftown, be it by flip or by cop, before we lynch Dunn based on that.

[Radical Rat]

Maybe Dunnstral, since he knew Scum had Warden in some capacity

zzzz it was mod announced when I was signing up to the game

I'd really like to see this mod announcement, since it's nowhere in the sign-up thread.

[Radical Rat]

it got removed

Orrrrr there never was any mod announcement and you're making it up to cover a scumslip.

[Radical Rat]

it got removed

Orrrrr there never was any mod announcement and you're making it up to cover a scumslip.

Your theory is that he's just bringing up for the first time now? In response to your allegations?

No, I know he's brought it up before he was accused. But he did say that Scum had a Warden as if it were fact before he said a word about this "mod announcement"

[Radical Rat]

Unless it's in one of the pages I didn't read due to either time constraints, or rb...

[Radical Rat]

I will check his ISO before pursuing this further.

[Radical Rat]

Tbh I just realised I don't trust anyone in Orlais par Abr

I had shaddowez down as okay-ish in my speed gut catch-up. What's your read on him?

Eh null.

Hey biber Bros why did you want to be on Tevinter so much?

Btw stray thought, what is the likeness that all scum would join one nation so they control one warden abd use their warden powers freely.

Dwlee really wanted to join them, they were my first choice but I'm fine with every nation really.

I could've sworn scum could choose a warden among themselves, but I can't find that anywhere...

@Mod Can scum choose a warden among themselves?

~McMemeo

The signup thread said something about a fifth faction for the mafia

So I'm assuming they'd have an extra power? for that other mafia nation

Well butter my biscuits.

Sorry about the hostility Dunnstral!
I still think you just imagined this, but at least it seems less intentionally malicious now.

[Radical Rat]

@RR Do you believe there's more than two redirectors?

Absolutely.
If Shiro were scum, she would have fakeclaimed something aside from Redirector.
And Luna would have to be off her rocker to have just straight up lied about a guilty thinking she'd get away with it.

Maybe we're looking at more of a JOAT than another straight up Battlemage though.

[Radical Rat]

On a practical level, how would that work? Redirector is a negative utility role and should not be elected warden ever. How many do you think there are?

If there were more redirectors, it makes sense for there to be many more cops and thus more people coming out of the wood work at Luna's claim.

The more logical conclusion is there is only two of each role no?

Sorry was me

That's why I think it's a JOAT instead.

Two of each role makes sense, but I could easily see a JOAT replicating individual powers.

I disagree with you on negative utility though. Maybe in the early stages, but if a redirector finds scum, they can be fucked quite royally.

[Radical Rat]

Mechanically... I've got nothing.
Which is why I said Shiro and I both need to be conftown before we make any lynches on the assumption that there has to be someone else with the ability to redirect out there.

That can be handled quite easily though.
Beeboy's plan will prevent another redirection from taking place (or at least without us catching it), so Luna could use her double cop on us. If a redirection happens, it proves the Scum warden theory, and Shiro and I should be lynched and/or vigged immediately.

[Radical Rat]

Who claimed JOAT? I want to lynch that.

I don't think anyone claimed, which is why it's hypothetical right now.

[Radical Rat]

@RR Do you believe there's more than two redirectors?

Absolutely.
If Shiro were scum, she would have fakeclaimed something aside from Redirector.

Scum also want to stick as close to the truth as possible, so I can't give credit for this.

Surely she would have known that claiming redirector after a Cop gets redirected would open a wagon on her.

[Radical Rat]

I am Town.

Sorry, forgot about that earlier.