Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!
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No, I don't think I will, thanks. Next time wait for the player to react before you begin asking for explanations.foolinc wrote:
Please expand on this statement.Thyroidectomy wrote:Post 45 is a bad post.Whyis it a bad post.
Also, as I almost forgot, I am selling tickets for a local Renaissance fair! Please quote this if you want to buy a ticket! I assure you I can help you if you help me! If we all go the fair, we can all enjoy the Renaissance!!!!!!I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Unvote Vote Schis
My role as a cult seems a bit dumb. It's a potentially swingy role that could end the game on night one. To be honest, would anybody be stupid enough to design that? Would MoS be stupid enough to put that into the game?
A "I keel you if you buy!!!!!" is also pretty silly. I doubt MoS would want his roles destroyed all in one night.
And let's face it, an alt win condition based around this is rather uncreative.
This benefits the town, I assure you. I am also town. BUYBUYBUYBUYBUY!!!!!!!!I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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You know, thats the real townie thing to do.
Why?
Let me start by asking: do you believe it's always a townie thing to explain your votes? Do you believe scum are more likely to not explain their votes than townies are?I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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schis wrote:and why not?When I quote someone, I want a response only from them
Shocking that you've been here since 2005 and you still believe this is scummy. Frankly unless you can back up that voting without stating a reason at first is a scumtell (not explain why it may be, but with your experience why it is), I have a very hard time believing this is genuine.twomz wrote:For voting for no reason (non random)
Why shouldn't I ignore them?and for being even more conceited than me (Hell, he might be as conceited as Jathan, ignore all other responses my ass).
Let me first state that I would love it if we all played that way, ignoring responses that answer for other players. I am eager to hear why you think this is a bad play.
In other news, Nocmen dodged my question. Makes me sad. ):
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Has bought a ticket: mneme, Sirtornado, FaerieLord, somestrangeflea.
Is opposed to fair: ZONEACE, Bamboom, Nocmen, Shanba, BattleMage
No Comment: Jdodge, mole, stark, twomz, jediknight, kaleidoscope, foolinc, Aimee, Belgarion, schismatized (somewhat)I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Yes, your argument is a common one. I would agree with it, but there's something pretty important missing.Nocmen wrote:Ok thyroid, if you really want an answer to your questions, here you go.
If a townie really thinks someone is scum, they should explain their vote fully, aside from a certain few circumstances that would hurt the town more (ex. They would need to claim they are the cop on day 2 or something when the town is not anywhere near LyLo yet).
Scum are usually less likely to explain their votes because many times they are pushing people without much reasoning, just that they know they are not scum. This means that anything they say is BS, and if any of that is proven wrong then they are suspected of being scum.
It can sometimes benefit the town by voting without giving a reason.
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No, I'd rather not say. Of course the fair benefits me, seeing as I'm town. What uneccessary hostility do you get from me? If I was a cult recruiter, why wouldn't I wait until end game or a later time? Why would MoS include this role in the game? Do you honestly think that role could be balanced?I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Everyone asking- stop fishing. All I want to say is that it will be bad for the mafia and I want them not to expect what's coming to them.
Because I am asking them directly. I will try to make an effort to only answer questions when they are adressed to me. Why is that a bad attitude? If we all did that, the game would go much smoother, with only the accused defending themselves.With that kind of attitude, why should anyone respond to your questions and statements?
Not at all. If I did, I wouldn't have let you all know.Do you have something to hide?I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Very surprised schis, I thought that was your thing.I really dont see this as true... Can you elaborate?
On a practical level, if we are into bandwagonning methodically, saying "this is a good wagon" is SO much easier than actually repeating the reason.
Also, sometimes players are bandwagonned for reasons that aren't exactly lynch worthy, or at least where I come from. Someone being wagonned for little reason or no reason is much more likely as scum to overreact and throw a hissy fit than for a reason that has been much more elaborated on. I can't name the number of times I've seen scum go "Yeah, you lynched me, but it was for a bad reason!". Given that, we can use this to our advantage. Scum tend to react better when you don't give a reason than when you do.
Secondly, I like to choose when to give analysis and post my reasoning and when not to. I haven't found what the perfect balance is, but few do as far as I know. Basically, if I think a reason isn't as strong as it could be, then I will also vote without giving a reason. This ties in strongly with my first point.
Finally, if you want to review and read over the thread, less is more. Clarity is important in mafia. Everybody knows who I want lynched when they read my posts.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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1. Where is the hostility in those quotes?stark wrote:I can make a quote! Quote quote quote
2. What makes that hostility scummy?
However, we designed them, so something so specific like that wouldn't be included.In regards to why MoS would include such a role in the game: As you've said before, MoS isn't stupid. However, this doesn't mean that every role should be self-contained ballance. He's an intelligent mod, and I would guess with near certainty that he would put in roles to ballance out those as powerful as you might have.
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Too add:
I don't do the work if you don't. I answered your points. They are in post 135. Do not accuse me of things, allow me to defend myself, and then ignore the defense and procede with accusing me of things.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Isn't the point of EVERY role to balance another role.
Right. Which is why making a role that deliberately balances out another role is bad design. The role should be balanced by all the other roles anyway.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Lyncher + Lynchee doesn't work. Nobody designs a role entitled "lynchee". That's too specific.ZONEACE wrote: So lyncher/lynchee roles are bad design??? Roles where one of your goals is to find a specific player are bad design? cause there are MANY GAMES that have these types of roles. And i wouldn't go about calling the designers of those games Bad Designers.
Likewise, nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter mine. My role did not exist while any counter would.
Thats all well and good but your defense is moot because its non-existant. Trust me=/=a defense[/quote]Thyroidectomy wrote:Do not accuse me of things, allow me to defend myself, and then ignore the defense and procede with accusing me of things.
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What does that mean comrade. Explain. The only post by foolinc that is remotely related is 117. And even so, what's your point?
Foolinc's quotation had nothing to do with my Fair. It was about my attitude towards posts that answered for other people.
I firmly believe at this point you aren't reading the game.
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Plenty of games have had counter-roles. They've worked fine, comrade.
Is a "counter-role" reasonable for a role as specific as mine?
Out of context right now means that you are quoting something I am saying and, by leaving off a bit, changing the meaning. I'm not saying it's deliberate, but it's definately there.
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Also, to answer the "hostility bit".
No, I have not been hostile, as I implied with my question in post 135 (which you have ignored). The only time where I was being remotely hostile I apologized shortly after.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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"I'm not voting you, pay attention" is a good reason.schismatized wrote: Just clearing this up, so your vote has is still on me without any clarification as to why?
Wouldn't it have been easy to just explain yourself rather than start this whole debate on how unscummy your vote is?
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Just gimme some reason other than BS and I will unvote you.
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Trust me, I would claim it if I needed to. But I'll say it here:
If I do claim what the tickets do, it will significantly diminish the intended effect.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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See, calling someone hostile then acting like this doesn't really work.Lol, massive failure.
Yes, I'm asking you to trust me. Imagine, in a mafia game, someone with a role asks the town to trust them, as their effect is both confirmable and benefitial. Man, that's a crazy play, I don't remember that one before.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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How many people do you need?
Majority needs to attend the fair at one given night.
How long will it take to come into action?
The one night people are away at the fair.
I think the aspect of my role, or at least the aspect that makes it balanced, is the fact that I have to convince the town of this majority, but if I actually tell them what it does, the scum will be prepared for it as to minimize its effect greatly.
And I'm sure you could think of a scum role that could adequately prevent an expected event from occurring.
However, I was fairly certain that support would not be difficult to get, considering:
1. A role so game breaking that it can ruin the town in one night probably isn't going to be in the setup.
2. If my role isn't confirmed you can always lynch me later.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Lol!I think he just needs to convince half the town to buy those tickets and then wins the game.
I haven't dodged questions, I have refused to answer them. Provide an example of the former please.
This wagon is horseshit for obvious reasons. This site doesn't impress me.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Also, let me guess this straight:
You all want to lynch me because I haven't clarified my role.
Okay, then aviod buying the tickets! Just ignore the fair! Judge me on my play, not an ability that you don't know will help the town or not (although I wish you did).
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You miss the point. Why should I say anything else other than "hai gaiz bai mai tktz trust me" if anything else I say makes them not workONCE AGAIN, IT WONT BENEFIT THE TOWN IF I CLAIM IT.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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Yep. In fact, I'll be perfectly willing to tell you all what happened after i get the tickets, if you know what I mean.Do you know what the Fair does?
The effect is protown.
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I find it doubtful that anyone would actually think we are influencing kscope's playstyle. Kscope always does the same shtick iirc. More like poisoning the well.
Also:look what we have done. we let one person off the hook for voting with no given reason and then everyone thinks they can do it.
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lol contradiction.DIE SCUM
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Wasn't the point of letting me live was for me to use my ability?ZONEACE wrote:if we're just gonna let him live then we definately shouldnt have anyone else buy the tickets, cause if he is evil we're jsut setting ourselves up to fail but having all the townies pile into the trap.
but i still say we lynch him.
It's hard to describe how awesome a Schis lynch would be. It would be awesome btw, especially considering he's advocating a lynch on someone he isn't even voting and yet still hasn't provided a reason for voting jdodge despite saying that you should always give a reason while voting.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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He claims to have some super powerful ability that will be very good for the town. Gives no explanation, and just says trust me. Its all very suspicious.
Hi. Can't wait until you manage to read past page five.I have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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A little bit on Foolinc:Please expand on this statement. Why is it a bad post.With that kind of attitude, why should anyone respond to your questions and statements? Do you have something to hide?
And I'll pass on the fair. They aren't really my thing. Now if you had tickets to a concert, then I'd be down.
Interesting. He clearly likes explanation, expansion, etc etc.
And yet:I am not a fan of Thyroid's play, especially on the whole fair thing. Hopefully, some more pressure will clear this situation up.
Vote: ThyroidReally? My bad.I support this post.Because Zoneace has an F in it.
Seriously, though I am thrown for a loop at Nocmen's role.Just Smurfy.
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says you shouldn't have to explain your votes (necessarily scummy).
I don't see why arguing a specific point in mafia theory is "necessarily scummy". In fact, I don't understand why voting without explaining your votes is necessarily scummy, but that's probably another discussion.
Your vote on mneme seems a bit odd.
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By my count:curiouskarmadog wrote: Thyro, can you tell us how many tickets you have sold currently and who have bought those tickets?
Mneme
SirT
FaerieLord
SSF
Shanba
BattleMage
Belgarion
The mod doesn't actually count them until night.
something like that.if you don’t get a majority, nothing happens, right?
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to answer that question, so I'll wait to do so.If you don’t get a majority today, but tomorrow, you do, does “it” still work?
Also, I have a question. Is the effect that is helpful to the town something that can be built to over time, or does it have to be acheived on one single day (can the tickets be purchased over time by different people to help the town or for the effect to be beneficial do a certain number of people have to buy them all the same day)
The goal is to use this ability tonight.
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You haven't made a vote all game. Any ideas?jediknight wrote:I'm still here...just not alot to add.
As for the meeping in the role i suggested. I'm not sure how much I can say. It was a post restriction and there was a tie in to his name being said. There was also a night restriction related to his name being said. I don't want to say too much in case i'm saying too much! lolI have played and modded on other sites. Please notify me if there is an inexperience issue with my joining or modding games.-
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I understood that I would stop "advertizing" if people actually bought them. Otherwise, there's no other reason for me to be alive right now, especially, since the town is going to go the stupid route and lynch Nocmen.Sir Tornado wrote:Thyroidectomy wrote:Also, I need more tickets. Thanks.vote thyroidectomy
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it's funny because you think you are a useful player.somestrangeflea wrote:
And replaced "also" with "".JDodge wrote:
Nocmen needs death moreschismatized wrote:Thyroidectomy wrote:Also, I need more tickets. Thanks.vote thyroid
also, he needs more death.
it's funny 'cause i just rearranged your words and replaced "he" with "Nocmen"
I agree with Schismatized.
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