STEVEN UNIVERSE MAFIA - GAME OVER

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woop woop woop woop
woop woop woop woop
woop woop woop woop

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VOTE: max
Justice.

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Anyways, I like grapes. The um.. the player. Not the fruit. I actually hate grapes.

Tell me.
About this.

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I like grapes', the player's, posts.

What about them do you like?
Tell me more.
Which ones.
Which parts of them.
I'd love to know more.

By the way, my vote wasn't RVS.

Excited for you.

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I re

fuse

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I need to drink more Beer to get a read on them.
Especially because of their inner nature.
I do think anyone making a big deal out of #45 isn't good at telling when someone is kidding around or doesn't care [and is a scumble].

Grapes is a shrug so far.
What about 42 do you like? That it has a lot of words in it?

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Varsoon isn't a dumb-butt.
Flavour isn't going to break the game.

I still would like you to articulate what you find townleaning about Grapes in 42.

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I also don't really understand what you're trying to say wrt what Beer said in your neighborhood vezok.
Can you be more explicit?

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Oh so you think he fucked up and thought your PT was the scumchat?

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He said rude things about my brewery and I told him he could just drink water if he doesn't like me. He said a close friend of his once drowned in water and called me insensitive.

I think this is where the suspicion of me comes from but I'm not entirely sure.

I feel like one of you is not summarizing what happened in a fully accurate way.

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So either they're both lying about their role names, or neither of them are.

Or fakeclaims.

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I will be back later.

Later is not very long.
Lynch all exaggerators.

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Pretty sure vezok literally just explained it.

P-Edit: It's okay Bins. It probably won't be super duper crucial for anyone actually scumhunting.
Also.
LAE.

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Oh im dum.
icwutyoumeannow.

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Or Beer/vezok could be scum, with a scum-flavoured role, with a fakeclaim to prevent massclaim bullshit on D1.

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{I've watched all of Steven Universe, point is that Varsoon's run bastard games before and likes to fuck with people because he's a jerk {iluvarsoon} so it would literally phase me less than nothing at all if he purposefully put people in a neighborhood that would be clear if you went purely by flavour, but actually make one of them scum.}

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Like, by your logic, we could all claim flavour right now.
And everyone who wasn't an obvtown flavourclaim could just get lynched.
And it would be game over.
Varsoon isn't an idiot. Give him some credit and take the fact that one of them could be scum and the other town seriously.

P-Edit: I was try to get across that just one of them could be scum in that post, didn't phrase it properly.

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Tbf I would also like to hear from Beer on this.

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I'm just saying that it's also plausible that Lars could be a fakeclaim for a scummier flavour name.
IE: Vezok could be scum and Beer town.
Not really leaning that way atm, just find it questionable that you're omnomnoming so hard on flavour here.

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It's a good show.

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THAT'S ILLEGAL.

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*goes back to stream of non non biyori*

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I'm saying Sadie could be scum.
Get on my level.
Also, saying "I don't want to talk about this anymore" and then talking about it more is just conflicted man

who wants to talk with me tonight?

I like talking.
What're we talking about?

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Sorry, I'm kind of frazzled today so I missed the "that was a mistake" part.
I'm a dufus.
I just like to sometimes pick people's heads when I don't know them and figure out how they tick.
I wanna know what makes you you, y'know?

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GOD DAMMIT WHO ARE LARS AND SADIE

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/ste ... 0402215739

Our interests, our likes, hobbies, dislikes, etc, etc. Girls, for all I care.

I like video games.

Oh, and the game, I guess.

Apparently Beer scumclaimed in a neighbourhood and he hasn't really talked about it yet. What a jerk.

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I'd be scared to rely too much on flavour.
Would be super duper probable that Varsoon would counterbalance that stuffs.

And cool cool, is it like a casual random pawnshop sorta place or like an EBgames?

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Okay.

Hmm... we have two people here claiming to be stumps and only one person isn't counted. A liar in our midst?

We'll see, won't we?
Vezok's doublevoting only became apparent once he moved off of not voting.

Tell me how you're reading BeerVvezokthings.
And Maxwell.
And grapes.
And me because I'm selfish and like attention.
Gogogogogogogogogo.

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That's actively punishing those who are actually interested in the thing the game is about.

Seems like a varsoony thing to do.

Ruby and Sapphire will start off in a neighbourhood together, except that one of them is actually Jasper.

Seems like a varsoony thing to do.

Vezok, that first post (Beer's) wasn't a scumslip, if that's what you're saying.

S'not what he's saying.

Beer: He seems... well I dunno. He hasn't said a whole lot other than making a bunch of jokey posts that can't really be taken for merit. Thus I think he could be a jester (warranted they're in this game, unsure on that) so I'd think he'd be a better target at night.

Doubt there's a jester in here. I think that would be bastard? I think?

Vezo: Something seems off about it. He's quick to point fingers, but that reads more town than scum. Still something feels weird. Not sure.

Elaborate more on this for me sir. What posts ping you as feeling weird?

Maxwell: I think he's fine. I haven't seen anything suspicious about him yet except his over-excitedness with utilizing his knowledge of the flavor.

And what's suspicion about the over-excitedness?

Grapes: Well... I can't really detect anything as of yet. What do you think of him?

He's definitely a player who exists in this game.

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@mastin, what do you make of there being a second treestump claim in the game?

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Oh actually the votecounts are fine.
20 people and a doublevoter and one acknowledged treestump and one implied treestump works when there's 21 people in the game.

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He could just be creative.
We can fight with our fists postgame when Varsoon's setup proves that true grace can be accomplished while also breaking expectations as I'm sure it will. ;D

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Treestump could be scum too.
Man I feel like I'm gonna be fighting an uphill battle on making sure people aren't writing off people for silly reasons.

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grapes: You asked me about him but you didn't find anything interesting about him?

Yup. :3

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What is your issue with Max?

I just like to sometimes pick people's heads when I don't know them and figure out how they tick.

Are you trolling for a reason?

Yes. It's because I'm scum and actively trying to ruin the game for you by being distracting from the content.

Beer didn't exactly quantify whether they literally scumclaimed in the first post in his neighbourhood.
They should do that in their next post.
Because I literally don't care about anything else in this thread beyond that atm.

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Vezok said your first post was literally a scumclaim.
Is that true or is it not true.

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Ah wait I see it now.
Vezo :/
You made it sound like it was an unprompted claim.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

P-Edit: Yep just saw it.

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Oh yes

Cheety probably town

Tell me.
About this.

VOTE: Sonic X

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Hey guys.
I see what you're doing here.
And I just wanted to tell you to stop.
And I know I'm a hypocrite because I was kidding around earlier, but this game is gonna get big real fast if we all let it get there.

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Man it is so scummy to discuss setup.
Farside.
Cmon.

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Calling Mastin town. When ever I disagree with her reads I know she is town.

Is this one of those snide "calling it now reads" or are you actually townreading her for this?

Talk to me far.
If you get my head in the game I promise I'll be more town.
And it might help me get rid of this really gross nasty OMGUS feel I'm getting at you.

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you're the best
can i just sheep you for the rest of the game

I wouldn't recommend it. People might think we're working together or something.
:c

Would vote:
Cheet
Max
Rational

Why did Beer fall of your list of would vote people?

I'm gonna go not look at this game for hopefully the rest of today because I'm getting frazzled .

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It's happened.
People are officially paranoid of me all the time now.

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It's not the set up. It's that you want to wave away anyone's thoughts as it could be scum or town. You don't say you are scum reading the slots in question but you want to sway people away from discussioning the idea of feeling they are confirmed.

So I'm scum because I think people should be reading people based on their play where appropriate?
Or is it because you think I'm trying to make people who aren't conftown not be treated conftown because I'm scum and having 1-2 options off the table on D1 in a game with 21 people scares me?
Especially since vezok is super duper lynchable right now like holy moly good thing I got him de-confirmed.
c:

You can OMGUS all you want with me I would still advocate your lynch even though I can't vote and all you will say is I don't like her jumping on me. Wahhhhhhh!!!!

I just said that I felt like your push on me was gross.
You just kind of threw shit at me and didn't even ask me about it.
That kind of stuff makes me want to shout that you're scum, but I'm a kind person who wants to try and engage you before jumping to conclusions about things which are realistically null but don't feel null.

What are you referring to?

Far and Titus/TSO being all nervous about me because I've had a good scumgame or two or something.

Also, I missed if you responded to my request for a hood with you.

I re

fuse

. Nothing personal.

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Nah.
It's more complicated than that.

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That post reads like weird buddying to me.

Is it working? ;D

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Hi farside.
Glad to know you're ignoring me and just talking about me at people.


I think it's pretty clear that I was implying vezok is more likely to be town than not and was implying that if vezok's claim that Beer had scumslipped in post 1 of his PT was true then I would think he was unequivocally scum, but that appears to not be the case and so I'm still trying to absorb what I think about Beer.
Are you going to keep talking past me as though I'm doing things that I'm not? Because if so I'll feel justified in this lame OMGUS feeling that I've been talking about. c:

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Has anyone here played with radmann before?

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nope, and it would be irrelevant even if people did.

I think it would be relevant if people had played with him before as town and he was like super duper genuine there vs if he has other towngames where his tone is a little awkward.

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Tunnel, you wondered why I changed my opinion/vote? This. While I appreciate Beer trying to clear my name after sullying it, this whole post reads trying to find an ally when there's no reason to. Literally the line that he felt was 'genuine' was 'Or pick my brain.' How does that reveal anything? It's scum trying to find allies. The more I read into it, I think it's just the hydra mate goofing around. Now the more sensible part is here to calm the waters. Beer is scum and him being lynched would reveal much.

Can you walk through this post a little more clearly? You think Beer was just screwing around earlygame and now they're trying to walk it back because people are finding it scummy? Is that the general idea?

Talk at me about what information you thought would be revealed by a Beerflip when you first voted for them.

He is simply trying to find a way to easily take a position without upsetting anyone. Very scummy.

So me being trolly and dumb earlygame isn't going entirely against this whole theory of me apparently trying to fly under the radar or something?
I don't have a hard position yet because I don't feel I have reason to have one.
You can cry all you want about how I haven't "figured out" who scum is and because I haven't during like.. the first three days of this cycle, but I'm not going to have great or strong reads until later on and I'm not going to pretend that I do to appease anyone.
If I'm still waffling around by the end of the cycle then toss whatever shit you want at me, but just because I'm not posturing around like I'm a scumhunting God at the start of the game doesn't mean that I'm not trying to figure shit out right now.

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We have differing opinions on meta.
I won't use meta as an end-all be-all tool for reading people, but I will use it as a basis for figuring out if someone seems off or not.
If radmann is always weird in his posting style in general, it makes him seem less scummy for it here, no?

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At least I can ead his rage to know his allignment

And how are you reading it?

Are you saying fuzzy is scum because he's playing hedgy so far?

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Finished Sonic X ISOdive.
Hard to follow a linear progression through the whole thing, but I kind of expected that tbh. q.q
He talks about believing vezok's claims of Beer scumclaiming at the start, but then there's a lot more focus on trying to discredit Beer's arguments towards him vs discussing that afterwards which strikes me as weird. There's no followup to the discussion there.

I don't like Sonic asking Beer to provide empirical evidence as to whether overexplaining is a legitimate scumtell or not and then going on to say that Beer's arguments are all just him calling him bad at the game. That doesn't really seem to line up IMO.

I really hate the amount of effort he put into explaining his townlean on me.
I would literally be shocked if everything in #286 were thoughts that he'd had from reading me before. It feels a lot more like justification afterwards to try and satisfy me rather than just trying to explain the read.

@Sonic

, why did you put so much effort into explaining a townlean rather than just saying what you remembered about me being town or just saying that it was gut and calling it a day?
Also, why did you posture about lynching Ricastle before Beer when you were never even voting Ricastle?
Also also, why did you vote for Raging Bull? Talk about that.

The buddying on Bins is really really blatant and I have no idea what to make of it.

Sleeptimesnow.
BeerISODive will probably come Sunday if not tomorrow morning.

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yeah it is? weren't you looking for that? no?

So you thought I just wanted to hear you tell me how town I am and thought it had absolutely nothing to do with scumhunting? And you were still townreading me?

policy vote on raging bull

And what was the policy for?
Why vote for him over asking for a replacement or something?
Just seems like a weird vote.

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why not?

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The only thing I got out of a Beer ISOdive was that I dislike the way that Pawtucket threw Gordington under the bus for his play early on, but I'm not sure if I just think it's bullshit to treat a hydra partner like that in the open like that or if it feels like a scum gambit to try and ease the suspicion on their slot by being like "oh man look the good head is here to be not scummy now".

Getting anything from Sonic is like trying to eat a rock.

Let's vote this person!
I'm confident about it!
Yeah!
VOTE: NicCage

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Titus, I'd like for you to talk at me about where your head is at on Sonic pls.

Vezok, is the main thing you're scumreading Beer for just his opening in your PT? Or is his play in here also striking you as scummy and can you possibly articulate some of that if so?

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Cool!
Wanna sheep me on the guy who voted you, asked you a question and then didn't respond to you and just kind of floundered and lurked!?

P-Edit:
I could see some older players having a lack of respect for a hydra partner and I could also see an older player knowing that someone might call them out on that and not care because they think they can talk their way out of it, if that makes sense?

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But, that's definitely interesting, I hadn't really considered that Beer might be a pair of newer players.
I usually associate secret alt things with older players who don't want the baggage of their mains tugging them down, so I'd been thinking of Beer as a trio of vets.
Speaking of which, @Beer, is your third head just VLA or what? Or have I just not noticed when they've been posting?

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So, you're just kind of hoping he's new? Do you think that some people with more experience might actually still be bad with social cues here? [because I can think of a few ]

Also, I'm gonna be an idiot and show my relative inexperience on this site and ask you what the amished tell is. q.q

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Beer's got so much mist around him that I feel I'm going to be confused about my read on them for a while. The lack of reference to individual meta, the fact that hydras generally somewhat muddle my reads and the gimmickness of that slot in general is kind of awful.
woo.

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I'll try to motivate myself to read through their ISO again sometime soon with the angle of them potentially being new players and see if it sits with me though.

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But.
That's not what I meant.

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I dont see how threats like these are town motivated. Vezok's trying to appeal to your pride and say "youre shit as a mafoa player if you dont vote for this".

I think that might be more of a general playstyle thing for vezok. He did very similarly aggressive things in Team Mafia and while he could be faking here, I'm leaning pretty hard that a scum doublevoter doesn't throw himself into the spotlight like vezok did.
Also, can you guys start signing posts? Or are you against that spiritually?

I dont see why more people dont see you as scum here. Yes this contradicts wgeurtz but out of all the fluffiest posts that have been posted, this was by far the fluffiest and most unnecessary

Ricastle also feels pretty town atm. Someone posting fluff isn't alignment indicative. I think I post more fluff as town than scum, in fact

No no, sorry. I wasn't scumreading ricastle for attacking beer, I was scumreading him for attacking sonic and beer and saying with certainty that there was at least one scum among the two. Which isn't that awful, but when he called it PoE it bothered me a bit. I never thought beer was town, I still don't, I just felt that he would make an easy target. It wasn't really a defining part of my read, it was an additional accusation. Actually, I decided to vote ricastle while making that post. I was really more interested in your slot, in part because I felt like the ricastle townread from titus was unjustified. I wanted to talk about it, but that line of questioning petered out with titus not commenting and just asking what PoE meant, so I figured I'd work on something else and wait for you to show up.

I wanna add grapes to my townlist, and Marquis and Ricastle are leaning town for me now. Sonic is null until I reread him. Nothing else has changed. I'll follow-up this tomorrow with anything I'm suspicious of.

Hi NicCage. Talk at me about why your vote is still parked on Ricastle. Do you have any other scumreads?

VOTE: Fuzzy

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Here
FWIW, he was scum and his style of play is similar here than there but I thinking that this does not necsaarily make him scum and could simy be a metter of playstyle.

I'll try to check it out, but I think I'd honestly be more interested in someone with experience with his towngame >.>

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Fuzzy is acting the same still, although I did like his vote on someone other than his counterwagons. It's not a survivalist vote which I'd expect from scum-fuzzy.

Except when he did do exactly this.
;D

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1) No lynch
Hope that we get info from the mafia kill tonight
2) Lynch Fuzzy
I am not a big fan of this option
3) lynch RR
less in favor as RR is a better town so far and at this point would be more helpful to the town
4) lynch Rand
this seems to be the lesser of the evil/

Discuss.
Looking at you Flum.

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Iunno.

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Would you rather me look at you or tell me to look at someone else?

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I'm operating under the assumption that you've already looked at me since you voted me.

Looked at you before you started doing things.
Wasn't really feeling good about any reads. Low-content poster push felt like a good idea.
I'm sheeping that case on Fuzzy that Marquis made that he's not even backing anymore because that's just the kind of guy I am.

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HOWEVER(and here is where the ego comes in) I KNOW that, if placed in a room with a random assortment of people, it is highly unlikely that they'll be better at a given intellectual pursuit than I am.

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Fuzzy's logic seems pretty crazy in general but the way he pushes his logic seems very genuine

Can you articulate this more clearly or point to posts or specific sections of posts that seem like they exemplify this genuineness that you're talking about?

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his play this game lacks a certain pizzaz,

Sure.

or any real interest in solving the game whatsoever.

Nope.

If you need specifics on this, check out his Sonic X push in 258, where he votes them for town reading him. He doesn't have a whole lot of interaction with them beforehand and he doesn't have a whole lot of interaction with them afterwards 400 posts later in 678, which is not how normal people treat suspects

Saying that I'm voting someone for townreading them, is like saying that you're voting me for scumreading someone. You're tossing out a load of context from that vote and it's annoying >.>.
Do you genuinely think that it was this simple?
Talk at me about it.

and his pushes on Fuzzy and NicCage aren't really any better or natural (both of them also have throwaway lines as explanations).

I actually do feel somewhat good about Fuzzywagon atm. I've just been spending more time on other games and have been busy with a new job. I know excuses are shit at this point and I said if I was playing like trash by now then throw shit my way, but I'm unfortunately not going to be as invested in this game as people would probably like and that probably won't change for a while.

The way he's treating our slot is that "there's so much mist around our slot" to the point where he apparently can't read us, which is quite frankly a fat steaming pile of bullshit. Gordovan joked and posted content. Pawtucket ripped on Gordovan and posted content. There is still readable stuff from both players, and getting out of a read on our slot because of controversy is so ridiculous that it practically has to be a cop out.

You're a gimmicky three headed mystery hydra in a game with 21 people who's original head entered the game by trolling relentlessly. Shocking that it's hard to follow trains of logic to find inconsistencies there or genuine thought processes.
I've literally walked through your ISO twice before this and got no kind of feeling for whether you're town or scum.
I could pretend?
Would that make me harder to shade?
Let me know.

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This seems genuine because it's a lot of thinking about an RVS vote and something that isn't really anything more than an RVS vote; Fuzzy seems the type of player who is pretty foot in mouth and rambly as town and very quiet as scum and this seems like a decent example of the former.

I don't get how you can toss away people saying Fuzzy is playing to his scum meta and then act like you understand his meta here. You think Fuzzy is being loud this game in general?
Have you played with him before or read the games linked which showed how he's played in the past?

it's ballsy to call for a town modkill or yellow card or whatever and it's even ballsier to ask for the same thing on your partner.

If RB is scum, then sure, this would be kind of hard to see as scum/scum interaction.
I don't agree with him not being scum and asking this though.

I find the assertions the fuzzy was pushing for the doublevoters to out the entirety of their roles for some signficiant tactical reason because he doesn't seem like that type of player and because the information is so useless it doesn't really seem worth the effort to get. Him thinking he can confirm their alignment based on the mechanics of his own role makes a lot more sense.

Eh.
I do kind of like this point. And not even as a counterpoint.

The resignation and self-sacrifice for the good of the town also seems town here.

Pft.

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If I add context, your exact vote was because he overexplained a town lean. How is that scummy in any shape or form?

Because I asked him to explain a townlean and he gave me an entire page of reasons for that townlean, which felt like he might have been sitting on nothing, felt nervous about it when I asked him and then went and got a shit ton of reasons to try and justify that read.
I started feeling less confident about this when I engaged him on it because it felt like he thought I was asking him to talk at me about why he was town and while that makes absolutely no sense, I don't really get any kind of good feeling as to whether townSonic or scumSonic would be more or less likely to do that.

Yes, yes, we're a craaaazy three headed hydra, but here's the thing. Most other people in the game haven't had trouble forming some type of a read on us. Why are you the only one (other than maybe fuzzy) that's so confused by our zany and crazy posting style that you can't even attempt to form a read on us? What do you think of Gordovan's push on Sonic early game? What do you think of the Raging Bull push? What do you think of my readslist? Despite the mystery hydra aspect, we're still people posting things; our ISO isn't a black hole devoid of content and we don't constantly contradict ourselves in a way that makes it excusable to fail to read us completely.

I'll read over those things again and try to give thoughts.
I really don't think I'm going to be able to change my readconfidence level on your slot this early in the game though. That's just the honest truth.
I know it's like super duper protown to overhype confidence in reads and pretend like you're a scumhunting master, but I'm just kind of tired of playing like that. I'll be confident when I am confident about something.

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Why is the Fuzzywagon good? What has he done that is scummy?
I don't suspect you for lurking. I suspect you for shitty pushes.

And when I'm uninvested and unconfident, then my pushes are shittier. Nothing to do with lurking. Will try to articulate on Fuzzy today.

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then you're just plain bad at reading people.

Oooo!
Fun.
Insulting my credibility as a player.
My favourite.
Maybe all of those stories about how great of a player I am are just balls.

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Zzzzzz.
Coffeeing first.

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(ﾟヘﾟ)？

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You are either scum and beer is town, or it's a scum v scum gambit. But given Sonic/ZZ jumping on Beer like he did I wouldn't be surprised if you and Sonic are scum together.

So.
You're saying vezok is scum?
:/

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Futile push!
VOTE: RB

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Bins are you scum?
I've been kind of thinking that for a while and I don't really know why.

Why can't he be?

I mean. Sure, he could be. But why do you think he is? :/
Guy came out hardcore at the start of D1 as a doublevoter with a risky and attention grabbing push.
Why would scum do that?

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Bins.

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Wagon analysis?
I think we can still analyze both wagons D2 even if we don't flip Beer though q.q

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If it comes down to lynching Beer or no lynching, I will be around and I will vote them.
I didn't exactly detract momentum anywhere by voting RB though.

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Bins, do you like RB on these last few pages?
Yes or no.

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Also, I'm sorry for ditching earlier @Beer, today ended up being really busy.
If you want to talk about Fuzzy now, I can definitely try, not sure how valid of a use of time that would be though.

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You should wait because I can give us 4 more hours to talk about things before a hammer happens.

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This day is sadness.

I do NOT see town motivation in saying someone claimed scum in a PT, then sat there for days NOT paraphrasing what was said, only to apparently say said person claimed hated a day before deadline when supposedly hated was claimed in the PT a while back. All without actually doing any other scum hunting the rest of the day.

Okay, but why does scum doublevoter stick their neck out like that? What's his motivation? Trying to get a quick mislynch on Beer and then BOOM D2 he's fucked?
This is pretty par for the course from what I've seen of vezok in general as a player. He uses a lot of rhetoric and is generally very confident. I'm leaning that he's not faking it atm.

I also find it pretty tinfoil hat that you said that Beer and vezok could both be scum together. >.>
Like I don't get how that's something you think makes sense at all.

[Cheetory6]

1) Because of the whole "claimed scum" shit we need sorted out and cleared up. No one wants to deal with that later on in the game - and we can't just let it go unanswered. We get an answer to that and if we are even luckier, it will give us more info re: reactions to that.
2) The wagon is pretty nice and analyzable. I didn't like some votes there, etc.
3) If he's scum, THIS (RB) wagon is pretty analyzable.

You make sense.
I am still flailing my arms because it's not a lynch my head/heart are unified on.

[Cheetory6]

I just don't understand the motivation for withholding info on someone you (Vezok) are scumreading

So you think he was intentionally trying to hide it by not paraphrasing? Where do you think he first paraphrased it?

What specific things? I think everyone's well decided. It's a Sunday, half the game won't even be here.

Iuno. I'd like to chat with Beer for a bit. If he can start townreading me before he gets lynched then maybe I can seem more innocent D2 by reference ;D.
But seriously though, I like talking things out. There's only 54 pages right now. I don't see any issue with letting things play out at least a little longer before putting nails in the coffin.

[Cheetory6]

I'm pretty sure he paraphrased before that.
That's totally me shooting from the hip and I'm checking that now though. >.>

[Cheetory6]

Beer definitely paraphrased before that though.

[Cheetory6]

@Flum: I don't really care about beer anymore.

I pushed him as scum from the beginning and nearly nobody cared. Now that he's out of harm's way he started lurking and doing absolutely nothing. And people still aren't voting him, but we're voting some sort of radmann newbie. That's cool. Gogo protown.

Also, in context him saying that he doesn't care about Beer anymore isn't what you're saying it means. So yeah. Stop saying that. >:/

[Cheetory6]

Sorry for fake crumbing.
Lolllll.

I think the biggest mistake made this game by town was assuming that one could understand the nuances of a setup designed by Varsoon, which is really just a solid compliment to Varsoon as a mod in general.
Kudos man. I hope my life becomes less shitty and busy sometime in the future so I can play in more of your setups and hopefully not die instantly or lurk out <3

[Cheetory6]

I was literally making a joke when I said that fuse thing.
I wasn't even thinking about being a PR when I said it.
:/

[Cheetory6]

Yup!
I don't do softclaims

[Cheetory6]

I thought Marquis got shot because he was playing better than me, then I realized that I'd been janitored and was like "WHAT I GOT KILLED NO. NO WAY"