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Sonic, unless I missed one of the claims besides the voteless, double voter, and miller, I'm not surprised at what has been outed already. It's kind of impossible to hide the first two, and a miller who knows they're a miller isn't doing themselves any favours by keeping that fact hidden. Ofc scum does the same thing all the time, but the mere fact of outing that doesn't make grapes scum.
Also, hey, nice to meet you all. Nice gif use, Sonic.
I don't think Beer's post is all that horrendous. It just looks like.. a weird crumb? Okay, maybe that does make it bad considering this is not the time nor the place for crumbs... I don't know. I find it hard to believe that scum would just up and make a post like that.
Anyways, I like grapes. The um.. the player. Not the fruit. I actually hate grapes.
EDIT: Fro99er! I forgot to say hi. Nice to see ya!!
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Trench: I don't believe that anyone was given a choice like that at the start of the game. If the game started with alliances, they were premade by Varsoon based on roles. That may have happened here.
Cheetory: grapes' 42. Their most recent post. The fact that they said they believe Beer is town, which is going against the grain.
Anyways, what do you think about Beer, Cheetory? Your opinion on grapes wouldn't hurt either.
EDIT: May unvote you based on the pun alone. And Trench, there's really no reason not to attempt a fusion/alliance every single night. Well.. okay, actually, thinking of flavour, some fusions may actually give negative effects, maybe, but that information is still valuable. And there's probably nothing wrong with an alliance.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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That does make sense, vezok. But.. I'm having trouble believing Lars is scum. He's a dick, not a villain. But if you're actually Sadie and he's really saying that he claimed scum then.. well first of all what the hell is he doing, because he should know Sadie is town and that making you dislike him is a terrible idea, and secondly, there's really nothing I can say to refute you there. If he's flat-out claimed scum to you then what more can be said?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I don't see where Beer is claiming scum in-thread, though. Also, you two look like you're arguing in your PT as well, so...
What IS funny is that this would totally happen is Lars and Sadie were shoved into an alliance. Are you two sure you aren't roleplaying?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I'm not voting Beer with a 77 attitude because of 78. Lars and Sadie are arguing in their PT. There's probably some miscommunication going on. I'm not going to vote Beer just because of what vezok says here. Also, I still find it hard imagining that Lars would be put in a villain role.
Also, you don't like it when I make jokes about canon personalities matching up with what is happening? Should I stop enjoying the flavour, Ricastle? That's why I joined this game.
EDIT: okay, seriously, the roleplaying thing was a joke. I don't think you're roleplaying.
I wanna hear what Beer has to say about this. Claiming scum to to his neighbour just seems ridiculously stupid.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I'm not avoiding a vote on him purely because of flavour. I DO think that, if Varsoon went to the trouble of making SU mafia in the first place, they will try to make the flavour mesh with the game mechanics as much as is feasible. That's the fun of making theme games. So..there's basically no way for a Sadie, for example, to be scum. For Lars, I could see it happening only because of his personality, but that just means the possibility is there.
I still want to hear from Beer about this. The posts that are being referred to as claiming scum or whatever just look like jokes, and there is obviously friction in the PT. Beer being stupid enough to just claim scum to his neighbourhood partner? I don't really believe that. I don't think you're lying, vezok, I'm just wondering if you misinterpreted.
Cheetory: Sorry, forgot to address that. To me, that post from grapes didn't look like padding to look town. It just looked like grapes was thinking about the game and putting their thoughts down as those thoughts came to them. I do the same thing, and sometimes my posts end up longer because there's some unnecessary shit in them as my thought process develops.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I know, I know. But if Beer is lying about being Lars, then vezok is also lying about being Sadie. Sadie starting in a neighbourhood with literally anyone else makes no sense. So either they're both lying about their role names, or neither of them are.
Beer hasn't posted since Vezok claimed that Beer claimed scum. Saying 'Beer has done nothing to refute it' doesn't make any sense, they haven't had the opportunity to comment on the situation yet.
Summary: The fact that it's Lars and Sadie is what leads me to believe they are both in a neighbourhood together. Either one is lying or both are lying about their role names. I highly doubt it's the latter, because if one dies and turns out to not be Lars or Sadie, then you know the other one is lying. There's no way a Lars or a Sadie would start off in a neighbourhood without the other. So I'm inclined to believe them. So, if they are telling the truth, then it follows that Sadie is town. Lars is more unclear, and I concede that they could be scum. Personally, I don't think so, but I'm not going to let that stop me from looking at the situation properly. And right now, the situation is that vezok is claiming one thing, we haven't heard the other side of the story from Beer yet, and we already know that those two do not get along. So simply voting Beer would be really ignorant in my opinion.
EDIT: Alright, that's more info from Vezok. Okay, that's pretty bad. And I've already said that I think you're town, vezok, so..
I still wanna hear what Beer has to say, but that's good enough for a vote from me.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Alright, evidently I should keep all flavour out my posts. Noted.
Vezok scumreads Beer. Beer does comment on the situation, saying that they had an argument and citing that as the reason for the scumread. Now, vezok claims that Beer outright claimed scum in their PT. I want to hear what Beer has to say about this.
Seriously. We all have role PMs. Read them. Varsoon obviously put effort into the flavour, and it's freaking awesome. Regardless of alignments, either they are actually Lars and Sadie, or they are both lying. That's all there is to it.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Cheetory, if one of them is just a fakeclaim, then there's still no reason for them to start off in a neighbourhood together. That's what I'm saying. Lars and whoeverthefuck, or Sadie and whoeverthefuck... neither of those would work. I get that you don't believe me because you don't know the flavour but.. ugh, whatever, I don't like arguing this anymore, it's obviously not going to work.
We don't know when the alleged scum claim happened, Ricastle. I just want to hear from Beer some kind of explanation. I don't even want to be defending him but the fact that this is being jumped on with only one side having fully explained is just. it's too fast. And since everyone else seems perfectly happy with just taking things at face value then I have to be the one to make you look at the whole situation. Beer is obviously joking/half-trolling in a lot of his posts. You know how often town does stupid shit like this? All the bloody time. So I want a straight answer before we waste our Day 1 on an ugly flower instead of an actual weed.
In post 29, vezokpiraka wrote:He claimed scum pretty much. It's pretty hard to paraphrase.
Also as you can see I'm a double voter.
'Pretty much'. That's way different than the explicit accusation we just got now. Which Beer still hasn't responded to. But he also hasn't posted since it was made. So we wait. If he responds to it with more jokes and handwaves then I'm happy to vote him, but is it really gonna kill you to wait for a reply?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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...I... when did I say that one couldn't be scum? I just said I don't think they're both lying about their flavour names. Just the flavour names. I said that Lars could be scum. Hell, I'm getting ready to vote him. Did you miss that?
I know Varsoon's not an idiot.
P-Edit: I didn't say that Lars couldn't be scum! I didn't say that! Holy bejeezus!
Ricastle: I'm talking about vezok saying that Beer started talking about flavour after the entry thing, and then later said that he was scum and was trying to discredit vezok. The entry thing wasn't a scum claim.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Cheetory: Okay, ignore the flavour. I'm done arguing about this. My recent arguments don't even have anything to do with that. Also, your first two sentences don't follow.. are you saying that vezok is actually Lars and Beer is Sadie, or was that just a typo? And you're still talking about how Lars could be a fakeclaim which.. still isn't what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Lars is town because it's Lars. I DID say that Sadie is town because it's Sadie.. that was a mistake.
The Beer wagon is based on Beer's stupid posts and vezok's accusations. I'm not convinced because I want to hear what Beer has to say about the accusations. Beer is one of the easiest people to lynch right now, thanks to that 'wink wink' post, is it really that strange that I'd be suspicious of the wagon???
Marquis: SU is nothing like SuperWhoLock. Also, feel free to ignore the sometimes-terrible fandom. Just watch the show, it's a good show.
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I don't WANT to talk about this anymore, but I'm not just going to drop the conversation. Or argument, or whatever. Not wanting to talk about something and then just immediately ignoring the topic is ridiculous.
In post 136, MaxwellPuckett wrote:I'm not saying that Lars is town because it's Lars. I DID say that Sadie is town because it's Sadie.. that was a mistake.
Wow it's almost like people change their minds about stuff when having a discussion! Wow! Look I made a mistake! Wow! You're right, okay? Maybe it's Lars and somebody fakeclaiming Sadie!! Actually there is someone else that would work with too.
Look at you, considering all the options.. I should really learn to do that. Like when I questioned the auto-labelling of Beer as scum. That was something I did. I shouldn't have done it just by looking at the flavour, and I didn't, I looked at the situation too.
Anyways this post is a mess and I'm going to go have a shower now
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A vote based on your first post alone really doesn't have a place here anymore. Better vote coming after the break.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Okay, I've had my shower, and am in a much calmer mood. Sorry about my frustration. Everyone misreads on this site, including me.
Vezok, that first post (Beer's) wasn't a scumslip, if that's what you're saying. Possibilities:
1) Beer thought it was scum PT and shot himself in the foot
2) Beer misread his role PM and shot himself in the foot
3) Beer made a stupid joke and shot himself in the foot
The fact that he immediately 'corrected' himself also shows that that wasn't a scum claim. Slip, maybe, or one of the other two things. The thing you said later, that Beer said he was scum and was trying to make you look bad, THAT's a scum claim. My reading comprehension skills are just fine, we obviously just disagree.
One thing, Bins, I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to talk about this game except in the appropriate threads. Or when you said you 'wanted to talk tonight', did you mean that you want to form a neighbourhood for tomorrow?
Cheetory: I DO think that Varsoon will have avoided doing things in the setup that blatantly contradict flavour. That's actively punishing those who are actually interested in the thing the game is about. I don't think that flavour will win the day. I'm sure characters have been shuffled around (maybe not all main characters are actually in the game?), and fakeclaims have been provided, but I don't think that Greg Universe will be scum, or that Ruby and Sapphire will start off in a neighbourhood together, except that one of them is actually Jasper.
If it was still RVS I would vote Reasonably Rational for speaking in a tone so pretentious I'm having trouble telling if they're sarcastic or not.
Jokes, jokes.
But seriously:
In post 113, Reasonably Rational wrote:In post 48, Beer wrote:I might be tipsy, but Sonic looks really evil.
Reasonably Rational looks like a puke stain on the wall.
Grapes looks like that guy at a party who's trying too hard to impress and is actually really sleazy and someone who you should probably not befriend because they will do bad things to you after drugging you or something.
Hm.
VOTE: Sonic
Puke stain on the wall? Please, enlighten me.
Rational, you respond to the comment about you, but not the statement 'Sonic looks evil'? Actually, that whole post is a mess, but you pick out the ridiculous thing said about you, specifically.
Also, mastin: Since you're gonna be conftown later, and you can be nightkilled... maybe claiming all of that D1 wasn't the best move? You don't really have a reason to lie about your role, though, so I'm wondering why vezok jumped on that.
radmann: Ouch, I'll tone it down. I'm excited about this game! I'm excited for what Varsoon will post for flavour at day's end! But I'll try to keep it out of my actual play. Also, do you have any scumreads? Besides the vague vezok one.
I'm actually kind of torn on Beer/Vezok. Now I really want to hear from Beer, even more than before. It's probably gonna be another pun or joke or something but a guy can dream.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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In post 167, radmann9 wrote:Yeah if anyone was reading scum it would be Mastin. Everything about his posts seem odd. And even if he's just what he claims to be, then we know that Farside is lying. So my best bet for scum read would be Mastin. Followed by Beer even though something about his posts makes me think there's a special clause or something. (Like I said, like a Jester or something if they exist in this game.)
I don't think stumps show up in the player count, which explains the 20 players (not 21) correction that Varsoon made, but that doesn't mean that it's between Farside and Mastin. So far, Mastin hasn't seemed to lie, as their votes really don't show up. They could be voteless and 'like a stump', as Mastin puts it, while not being a Stump. Actually, since Mastin said they can also be targeted by stuff and whatnot, that's even more evidence that they're not a Stump.
I wanted to vote Farside actually, but their claim holds up, for now. And, taking roles out of the equation, I'd rather vote Farside than Mastin, to be honest.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Mastin isn't claiming to be a stump. They are just voteless and conftown D3. They still show up as alive, and can be targeted and killed, unlike a tree stump. That doesn't contradict Farside. Their two claims don't actually contradict each other.
Also, I wouldn't actually vote either of them at the moment, radmann, but I'm assuming you're asking me why I find Farside scummy, right? Mostly it was their 50, but it's also the fact that they're quoting themselves in their signature. (I'm kidding, I'm kidding, don't hurt me)
I just don't like their posts, I guess, but it doesn't matter because they have a pretty legitimate stump claim.
Cheetory: I don't know Varsoon at all, but I'm pretty sure that the Jasper, Ruby and Sapphire thing I used as an example is as close to bastard that flavour can get. But you doubt Jester becausethat'stoo bastard? I just.. find all that hard to believe. Part of making a good theme is, as Rational said, fitting the theme to the mechanics of the game in a balanced way. I'm choosing to believe that Varsoon isn't an ass.
P-Edit: Yeah, considering mastin can be killed, I'm pretty sure they're supposed to show up in the votecount.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Treestump could be scum, yes. I'm just saying that it's not Farside vs. mastin necessarily. Their roles don't contradict so they don't HAVE to be on separate teams. They could both be town or both be scum or they could be different things. Anyways, Cheetory, I AM looking forward to postgame. Only then will we see what's what, it's true.
Radmann: The reason I got so emotional is because it felt like people weren't listening to me, mostly because two separate people told me 'one of them COULD be mafia, you know', after I'd already amended myself and agreed that yes, one of them could be mafia.
Though, uh.. I'm pretty sure if the roles were entirely based on the show, Steven is the one who'd be the doctor. But anyways, not important right now. I
Also, I think radmann was poking fun at the fact that you didn't say anything substantial about grapes.
P-Edit; Yes, he's JUST comparing his role to a treestump. The fact that he said he can be targeted for night actions and kills should be proof enough that he's not a stump. A game where a player isn't counted among the 'live' players, but can still be killed.. now that's definitely bastard.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Pretty sure I know what's going on with Bins. Kind of wish wgeurts had held off on that claim, too. I didn't notice it until someone else mentioned it, though. Glad to see more people in the game now, anyways!
Um.. I like Titus' organization, but aren't you supposed to be in a Hydra right about now? I'm not gonna be able to keep track of three accounts for every one hydra. x.x
I like Ra9in9 Bull's entrance.
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In post 266, farside22 wrote:
In post 106, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Alright, evidently I should keep all flavour out my posts. Noted.
Vezok scumreads Beer. Beer does comment on the situation, saying that they had an argument and citing that as the reason for the scumread. Now, vezok claims that Beer outright claimed scum in their PT. I want to hear what Beer has to say about this.
Seriously. We all have role PMs. Read them. Varsoon obviously put effort into the flavour, and it's freaking awesome. Regardless of alignments, either they are actually Lars and Sadie, or they are both lying. That's all there is to it.
why do you think they are both lying.
I feel like you just are fearmongering the whole situation.
This kind of sums up your case on me. The fact that you are misinterpreting my posts, and not really trying to understand them at all. Now, this post that you quoted is pretty embarassing, yes, because it was written when I was in mad flavour canon mode. Read the thing you quoted. I didn't say I thought they were both lying. I said I thought that either they were both lying, or both telling the truth, about their role names. But I was operating under the assumption that they were not lying. Please at least attempt to understand my thought process here.
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All of this together is why I don't like Max. Goes from I don't believe Vezo and he could be lying to calling him town, to writing up crap reason's for disputing the whole push by Vezo.
I never said I didn't believe Vezok. I said I thought Vezok was misunderstanding the situation, I never called him a liar. My thoughts about the whole situation do change as my posts happen, though... which is kind of a natural consequence of, that thing called thinking. Reevaluating your thoughts and changing them as other people give you information.
Anyways, now that Beer has actually spoken about this in more detail, I can see where the confusion came from. Beer's posts are.. interesting. They're kind of hilarious actually, but that's besides the point. I said I was happy to vote him, but now I'm not so sure. He's been like this all game, including the neighbourhood PT I'm guessing.. it's not strange that vezok would be pushing on him like this. But I'm not sure if a town player would continue behaving like this in this situation.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Farside: I know, that was a mistake. I'm gonna stop digging so much into the flavour, if Cheetory stops making Varsoon out to be some malevolent trickster God. Seriously though, I'll stop.
CoolDoG's catchup was fine. I don't appreciate the strikethrough of my post, but whatever, it's fine. Glad to see you're in the game now, anyways.
Marquis: Was Skybird's one post enough to completely move your vote? Does your interpretation of Skybird just asking that question for filler really outweigh your feelings about Sonic? Was your Sonic vote just a throwaway to get some reactions, or was it serious?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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The double-voter alone does indicate that Vezok is town, and even without that, I'm not condemning them for scumreading Beer, even though I disagree with the case. I can see where they're coming from, basically.
Shoot, I didn't realize The Cage was in this game.
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It's called covering all of the options. It'd be bad if we called you conftown just because of your double-voting, when you're not actually conftown.
If you wanted to pick something out of that post, how about the fact that his first sentence was that he can't tell if you're just being genuine or just going for an easy target, and his last sentence was saying that you're likely town?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Props for using the term 'fluff', though. Not like that word has been ground into bits by misuse, or anything. Are you seriously suggesting that I made that post to look like I was thinking about things, as opposed to trying to put to bed all of the misinterpretations about me? You just grabbed a post I made while in the midst of a conversation (I was frustrated at that point, I grant you) and called it fluff, even though the entire post was me responding to comments made directly at me.
You're entitled to your opinion, I was just kind of insulted. And now I'm a bit more insulted, but whatever. It's fine.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Okay then. You're right. I wasn't frustrated at all! I wasn't mad that only parts of my posts were seemingly being read, and Cheetory definitely didn't outright admit to accidentally missing something I had said. Nope, didn't happen, that post was a waste of time and I should have just let them go on thinking that I'd said something that I hadn't.
My apologies that I'm not funny when people insult my intelligence.
I'm not really annoyed now, though. I can see that you're having trouble seeing what's going on down here from your high horse.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Rational, you demanding that Tunnel gives you a full readlistright nowwould be ironic and funny IF Tunnel had asked radmann for a full readlist. They didn't, so you just end up looking like a hypocrite. They asked radmann to commit to a read instead, which is completely valid, considering radmann said 'Beer very well COULD be town, but their flip will provide info, so...'
I dislike the Beer wagon. Finding Beer scummy, that's fine, I understand it, but I'd really like a lot of you to reevaluate it, especially in light of Pawtucket's post. I don't think it'll provide as much information as you guys seem to think, especially since there isn't a competing wagon. No, Sonic and Ra9in9 Bull wagons are not competing.
P-edit: Okay, Rational made a quoting mistake, that makes more sense. I take back what I said about Rational. Also, full readlists this early on are annoying, not helpful, you're right.
Radmann is now committed to the Beer lynch. That's an admittedly better stance than the wishy-washy one from a few posts earlier.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Trench, are your two heads disagreeing or something?
'Finally the lynch I want is going through' (referring to Beer)
And then you say that Beer isn't behaving like scum, and you'd happily lynch Sonic? And this is within a few posts. Colour me confused.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I wouldn't have asked you to sign your posts, except, well, that blatant disagreement between your two heads is a little disorienting to read.
Also, about the flavour thing, I know, I know, I know. We've gone over it. I'm not doing it anymore. Please stop beating that horse, it's dead.
P-Edit: I don't mind playing with hydras, and I really don't care if the heads agree or not, but it's like.. really hard to read you if I don't know who's saying what.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Maybe it is, but having to actually look at your posting style to figure it out is still annoying. Titus started off signing their posts but that last one that I cited as being the reason for the my confusion was not signed. I get that it's harder to tell since you guys are actually in the hydra, but from out here it's a pain, trust me. If just Titus signed their posts, that's fine, then I know the unsigned ones are all you.
If one of you doesn't sign from this point on, I'll work to figure it out myself, I guess.
P-Edit: I don't think Beer's post was particularly mean. Where were you when CoolDog was being disagreeable?
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The player, right, the player. Better lynch than Beer, not as good of a lynch as Radmann/Ra9in9 Bull or Marquis.
They seem kind of awkward, and their claim was weird, but then again we don't know what their role is, either. At least they didn't claim their entire role like Mr. Mayor did.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Do I have a sign on my back telling people to insult me today, or something? I'm not mad, though. Nope.
Skybird: Notalwaystown, but usually town. Are you just saying that to cover all of the bases, or do you actually suspect vezok?
NicCage: Did you give an opinion on Beer yet? He's the hot topic right now. What about Ricastle? Do you find them scummy, since you asked Tunnel about them?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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NicCage: Ricastle's acting like we're between Sonic and Beer on lynches is ridiculous. As for Beer, my thoughts are similar, though I'm not sure waiting for anything more from Gordovan's side is going to yield anything. Fun to have in the game, though. I'm looking forward to seeing what Pawtucket has to say, because it looks like that's going to be the head that's more alignment indicative.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Varsoon's semi-random Steven Universe references/facts are the best thing about this game so far, tbh.
..The navel is a chakra point?
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What are you referring to?
Also, I missed if you responded to my request for a hood with you.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I was gonna say 'Cheetory, you used that 'refuse' pun once already', but.. I guess it's something else.
Tunnel bringing up a possible crumb is weird, though. That's generally not something you do when the crumber is still alive, bruv.
Also, it's cool, Cheetor.
And farside: Treating unconfirmed people as confirmed is dangerous. Super dangerous. Treating them as 'basically' confirmed is fine, though. That's where you actually look at play. What's up with everybody always calling this behaviour 'fearmongering' when it's just making sure town isn't throwing out 'confirmed' passes left and right?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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I think I'm finally developing an appreciation for Marquis' humour.
Anyways, I'm of the opinion that meta is only useful for players who've been established on the site for some time. Newer players change meta nearly every game in order to find their niche.
CoolDog's presentation of their opinions as fact is annoying. Literally everyone on this site disagrees about meta, get over it.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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In post 452, Beer wrote:
I'm a player whose primary method of scum hunting is reading heavily into what (I think is) the underlying motivation behind the things someone writes (in case that wasn't already obvious from the things I'm saying about Sonic, for example).
In post 457, Skybird wrote:Beer, how would you describe your scum hunting style then? If you think looking at town or scum motivation is silly, what do you look for in determining who is town and who is scum?
Skybird, Beer just described their scum-hunting method.
Did you get confused because Gordovan (i think?) said that there's no point in looking into his weird posting style as scum-motivated or town-motivated. As scum, there's little motivation to basically joke that you're scum, unless you're a non-scum role or in a game where there's a Jester. And this game was advertised as non-bastard. But anyways, that's not the point. As town, there's also no reason to do it... so you kind of have no choice but to take it as a posting quirk and be done with it.
Who was it that said that Beer was doing the jekyll-and-hyde thing as a scum plot? I need to find that post, it made me laugh.
P-EDIT: Okay, Beer explained it in a better way than I just did.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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In post 446, radmann9 wrote:
Something about quoting a relatively unimportant line and saying that validated me seemed out of place. I thought from the beginning that Beer was either a bastard role with the purpose of getting themselves intentionally lynched. Then the other part showed up and just seemed very much like a Jeckyll and Hyde type of monster that someone mentioned. One head ridiculously over the top, the other head calm.
It seems like the first head was screwing around only for the other head to come in and clear everything up just read scum.
Nearly everyone has commented on Beer thus far. So, with another read through, could reveal a lot about everyone. Whether they voted for beer, disregarded him entirely, or voted him innocent all along.
Oh. Yep, it was Radmann.
Speaking of, Rad, you're referring to the Beer head situation in the past tense. Do you still think this is what's happening?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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grapes: Was referring to Ra9in9 Bull's 205, not their actual entrance. I think that their first post was too tasteless for me to register. I think I said I liked it because they were one of the first to call attention to Radmann, who I'd kind of ignored before then? I don't remember the exact reason, but it was definitely because of what they said to/about Radmann. None of the other bits of that post are standing out as anything besides fluff.
Tunnel: I thought you'd already decided on a bloc to make. Unless you're asking for changes to be suggested?
I don't have any experience with neighbourhoods so I wouldn't know how to use a role like yours. Private discussions that can be held away from scum sound good, though, but the size of your neighbourhood will make that more difficult. The season finale ability seems like the best thing about it.
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When the Bins/Marquis joke was made, I immediately checked the playerlist to see what was what.
Farside: Good to know.
Varsoon, grapes is voting two people. They made two votes in one post, but the Cheetory one was later. Or did they have two votes to give out?
As far as I am aware, the latest Vote Count is correct.
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I wasn't expecting a second double-voter. It's exciting, though!
The odds of scum double-voter just went up, too, which I don't like so much, but recent Farside is good and I've not had a problem with grapes so far, so no need to pick at that.
Ra9in9 Bull: What the hell did Trench do to make you take a vote away from Radmann?
P-Edit: Does that actually happen a lot, Trench?
Fro99er, what's your stance on this? I've only played one game with you but you were a lot more vocal in that one.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Don't fall into the trap of being afraid to go into it, and then townreading him as a result. If you think you can't read ZZZX, read Metal. That's one nice thing about a hydra.
Ra9in9: I disagree on the Marquis vs. Skybird. Skybird hasn't said anything super compelling, but Marquis' Skybird vote was just as empty as Marquis is claiming Sky to be. Skybird is asking a legitimate question, and while it'd be nice to see them looking at the game more, they are still asking questions and trying to determine thought processes. Are you against Skybird because they haven't put a vote down yet? An empty vote for the sake of a vote is worse.
P-Edit: Catch up and put em up, Fluminator, whenever you have time.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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In post 506, Fro99er wrote:In post 504, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Are you against Skybird because they haven't put a vote down yet? An empty vote for the sake of a vote is worse.
No...where did I say that?
You didn't say it anywhere, I was just casting around for an explanation as to why you'd be for Marquis and against Skybird. Not that I think either of them are much good, but at least Skybird is doingsomething.
In post 505, Fro99er wrote:Yeah, skybird simply asks beer how beer scumhunts. This is the exchange
In post 497, Skybird wrote:In post 459, Beer wrote:In post 457, Skybird wrote:Beer, how would you describe your scum hunting style then? If you think looking at town or scum motivation is silly, what do you look for in determining who is town and who is scum?
No, I think suggestingeverythingmust have townorscum motivation is silly.
OK, I see. Thanks.
Skybird just leaves it. Was skybird really interested in how beer scumhunts? If so, why not follow up on getting beer to answer that question? Or was skybird just asking it to ask it, and not actually care what the answer to the scumhunting part was?
I also didn't explain the ZZZX/Marquis deal enough. I've played with them twice. Once with them as a scumpair, the other with them as a townpair. In both cases, they seemed to play off each other and just come right out and say this is town ZZZX or town Marquis. I'm not getting that here, which makes me think that they are of different alignments. ZZZX additionally as scum would discredit people's methods of scumhunting him. So when Ricastle says he'll use PoE, and ZZZX discredits the PoE method (which is actually really an associative), it's something I notice.
Skybird asked for clarification, and got it. Beer already answered the question of how he scumhunts, as I pointed out. There's no followup question that Sky needs to ask. Your argument is exactly the same as Marquis' regarding Sky and it's just boring.
I still want Sky to come out with some actual reads. Luckily for Sky, voting for bull reasons ranks slightly higher on my list of scumtells than not giving opinions at all.
As for ZZZX/Marquis, I don't know their meta. Are you saying that your Marquis townread is based off of your Sonic X scumread?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Holy shit Varsoon
In post 634, Ricastle wrote:BEHOLD THE READS
Ask me if you want specifics blah blah lazy blah.
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Alright, I feel like I have some sort of grasp on this game now. Bins, why did you show interest in alliance in 137 and then go on to post 171?
I didn't ISO the people I already had a read on so I should probably do that. Later.
Why Bins scumread and Marquis townread?
In post 519, Marquis wrote:maxwell is still kind of hilarious.
i'm not sure where his experience level/mindset is with regards to what he expects scum to do vs. what scum realistically do. but. lol sorry i'm not trying to make a "lol ur a noob" comment because i hate those too but i'm kind of sick of all the incorrect assumptions regarding how/what scum play/are motivated to do, as well as the whole "marquis isn't drenching the game in useless excess questioning (because other people are already doing enough of that so it feels good to sit back and try and slowly sort through reads instead) so yeah he's probably scum"
well i mean
you're right in that my play could totally come from scum
but to be blunt it's more likely i'm town who doesn't really care about people scumreading me (other than this whole thing about being amused by maxwell - who ftr i would like to say i'm currently leaning town on, if it weren't for how i've been seeing scum these kinds of realistically bs pushes lately) than scum who realized i've been fluffing and didn't really do anything noteworthy for a while to address the scumreads
sorry i just have a bit more faith in my scumgame than that
Marquis you're just giggling at me, expecting me to just find a townread from you without supplying anything for me to work with besides admitting that you're fluffing, and admitting that you're making excuses, as if 'yeah i already know i haven't done anything so your comments mean nothing' somehow means you're town? If you know you're full of it, then do something. You keep saying 'wait, wait' but you've yet to find something in-thread to care about. I'm tired of the aloof better-than-you attitude. Not to mention the lack of questioning people who are actually townreading you for some reason.. I'm trying to understand what you're doing here. What aspects of your play am I supposed to be seeing asnotscummy? Defend yourself instead of telling me to be psychic.
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Voting you didn't do anything but hopefully you'll have something constructive to say about this. You believe you're town so convince me dammit
Bins: Why do you think Ricastle is scumreading you?
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In post 654, Bins wrote:In post 652, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Bins: Why do you think Ricastle is scumreading you?
No idea. I haven't done anything yet. I'm also not caught up yet because I spent too long playing Borderlands... sales make me lazy, yay. And seeing rage makes me nope out of things.
My only guess would be he thought it was weird/fake/empty/attention-draggy that I was asking who wanted to be allied w/ me when he thought I couldn't even be in an alliance. I would think that would be weird too. I'm surprised he's the only person that pointed that out.
But yeah, can ally, just can't be targeted because I'm special.
So you don't see your lack of game-related talks, besides those regarding your role, as something people would scumread you for?
Well, I ask this now but Ricastle has already said that was why they were scumreading you, but you don't seem to be worried about it. You've been active enough in this game (in a fluffy sense) but haven't really commented on what's been going on, and there has been plenty of discussion happening. What you need to catch up on is basically just the Ra9in9 Bull drama, but the things I'd actually like to hear about happened before that.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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All of fuzzy's role questions just look like he's trying to do what Reasonably Rational is. While I don't have an opinion on Rational's insistence on the double and multi-voters giving in-thread proof of their roles, (I don't think they're lying, and both of them having the exact same voting abilities would be weird anyways, also it'd be risky to lie because one could accidentally slip up) I understand why they're doing it. They wanna know, whatever.
But almost immediately after that, fuzzy asks all these super in-depth questions which just sound strange, but their paranoia surrounding grapes seems kinda genuine. I'm not sure I could see that coming from scum.
VOTE: Bins
Tell me why you're scumreading NicCage.
If Marquis is scum, they're very cool-headed scum. But I'm leaning.. null, idk, maybe I need to watch them more, but I don't feel good about voting them.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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In post 755, grapes wrote:Anyway...
Open invitation to all to talk about fuzzy/cage/rr/tunnelwarriors/skybird/ragingbull
mainly for anyone in this game trying to lynch scum today.
Yea I know there's too many names but I think it's a decent pool to start from.
Bins bare-bones response to my question aside (they voted Cage after Cage got a vote.. come on, why is Cage even in this list?), I appreciate grapes trying to get some focus in here.
Bins, do you have anything else to say about NicCage besides that? That vote just screams 'I'm looking for a reason to vote'.
Fuzzy: I don't know anything about fuzzy's meta, but I still disagree with farside. I think their paranoia and subsequent apology was pretty genuine. I don't like the fuzzy wagon.
Cage: I don't see enough material for a scumread and the posts he has are just questions. Bins says he didn't follow-up but like.. he hasn't posted yet??? It's been just a day.
Rational: It's hard for me to have an opinion on Rational. At first I thought their questions were pretty normal but the post where they complained that vezok wasn't doing the vote-test thing in theexact orderthey asked about...? Like, calm down. The unwillingness to ever pull back that they're showing looks to me like scum who doesn't want to appear indecisive, which I've seen a lot of people in this thread get called scum for. ('Asking questions but not following up', is something I've seen called scum behaviour twice now.)
Tunnel: Grapes, why is tunnel in here? I haven't seen you suspecting him. I'm not sure what you mean by 'white minivan', either, but you used it in context with Tunnel's alliance powers.
Skybird: I defended their actions from Marquis earlier, and right now they're kinda nulltown. I guess they can be in the lynchpile but a lot of the motivation for voting Sky appears to be 'I don'tfeellike they're being genuine', and not a lot of actual evidence. Also I feel they are being genuine so make of that what you will.
Ra9in9 Bull: Hasn't posted since the thing with ika. Experience with Fro99er tells me they usually post a lot, but there may also be RL things going on there, considering the thread meltdown.
I think everyone should look at Bins again, but if that isn't going anywhere than Ra9in9 Bull/radmann/Reasonably Rational is a better lynchpool for me. Farside is saying that fuzzy's meta says scum, but I dislike voting on meta alone, especially from word of mouth. I think fuzzy is earnest town.
VOTE: Reasonably Rational
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In post 797, Bins wrote:In post 796, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Bins bare-bones response to my question aside (they voted Cage after Cage got a vote.. come on, why is Cage even in this list?), I appreciate grapes trying to get some focus in here.
Bins, do you have anything else to say about NicCage besides that? That vote just screams 'I'm looking for a reason to vote'.
Actually, no.
Bare votes make people squirm more.
See? You're doing it.
A single vote isn't going to make anybody squirm right now, it's too late in the day. That's why I unvoted you, it was brought up that only multiple votes on someone are going to get us anywhere.
And, uh.. my vote wasn't bare. Did you read the post it came from?
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In post 797, Bins wrote:In post 796, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Bins bare-bones response to my question aside (they voted Cage after Cage got a vote.. come on, why is Cage even in this list?), I appreciate grapes trying to get some focus in here.
Bins, do you have anything else to say about NicCage besides that? That vote just screams 'I'm looking for a reason to vote'.
Actually, no.
Bare votes make people squirm more.
See? You're doing it.
I thought the 'you're doing it' referred to a bare vote of mine. I see now you were referring to me 'squirming'.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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The radmann wagon has stalled because he's MiA. Has he been prodded yet? I'm unwilling to vote him right now because nothing would come of it until he came back. I guess his reaction to a large wagon on him upon his return would be good, though, so I'm considering it.
And if he replaces, that's still a good opportunity to get something out of said replacement.
Drixx, you implied that you don't normally have scum reads D1. Was that a half-joke about Fluminator, or is it true?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Fuzzy: Rational isn't really pushing for a lynch for either grapes or vezok. They were pushing grapes for being uncooperative, but they seem to have changed their mind on that.
And, my question wasn't answered directly, but it was answered. Anyways, upon a short RR iso, I think my Rational judgement was wrong. They're continuing to defend their actions because to them, those actions make sense. Also, I like how they were talking to Farside, I don't know if you can fake that concealed annoyance. Like, Rational is trying to be the good guy, but they're kind of fed up with the accusations.
I don't think I'd been reading Rational as well as I should, and maybe I'd been focusing too much on their grapes/vezok thing and less on what else they'd been doing.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Huh, three people promising to catch up on one page.
But RL makes fools of us all so whatever. And there's not much that can be done about technical difficulties besides apologizing for em, anyhow.
Farside, you're opposed to a RB lynch because it's easy? Fuzzy is just as easy of a lynch, if not more so because they're posting actively. What makes RB easy and Fuzzy not?One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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Ra9ing: I didn't find what Marquis had to say about Skybird particularly towny, but you're right in that after that post where they talked directly to me (the first post you quoted), they started to post more critical thoughts about the game. That post you quoted from Marquis is actually where I started to doubt my scumread.
As for Bins, that's different than Marquis. Not sure why you quote me talking to Bins and then proceed to talk about Beer, and then Marquis. Bins is a different player and their situation is different. They don't contribute to discussion beyond voting with no explanation. I know they said it's to provoke a response but that's not what I see them trying to do. They don't wait for a response before changing their vote (see Sonic to NicCage, and then NicCage to RR), so I fail to see the point in voting if you're not going to follow-up on it. I don't think they actually care how people are reacting to the votes.One man's trash talk is another man's treasure talk.-
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