SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[ZZZX]

Omai god 16 pages......

[ZZZX]

ill.. catch up tonight....

[ZZZX]

Ms gambit is null. He does a freaking gambit like this every second game. Just for the record he had done it more as town but that could be because of the simple reason he tends to get town roles mostly lol

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5 pages in. my mind is burned. weird half claims are already done so uhh... ok.

[ZZZX]

cane you guys help my mind by giving a tl;dr fypov? 5 pages in and I have a charizard big headache

[ZZZX]

wait till weakend for full read. i am 10 pages in and I dont feel there is something much to say about it other than random shit is random. This is madness.

[ZZZX]

prodge will start reading all the game in one sitting wish me luck containing my sanity.

[ZZZX]

We are not lynching TSO. That is the answer. Find someone else.

beast townreads TSO for no reason.

that suggests that he and TSO are masons.

so i should out them so that they can be nightkilled cause both of their play is batshit terrible.

if they are scum we should lynch them though

Like what the fuck is this?

No idea.

Read 20pages and.. I won't really comment until I finish this. I lost lots of sanity

[ZZZX]

excpect stuff after ~5 hours if i cna get the last 22 pages in 4 hours and retain m sanity

[ZZZX]

OK I have all today to finish reading.

Time to get this moving

[ZZZX]

I give up on catching up 100% since pages come faster than i can read them somewhat.

anyway i will read everything after this post. i will also read the lst 5 pages quickly today or tomorrow.

i wasted too much time :<

cheers, -ZZZX

[ZZZX]

You say this like you expect Rach to immediately back down and defer to you. I kinda want to ask if that's the case, but actually it has very little to do with my read of you or her, so I guess it's neither here nor there... you can still answer if you feel like it though!

I usually speak up when one of my townreads takes a "he's scum" position on another townread. Offhand I can't remember ever

not

speaking up unless the player's case for their vote made me want to soak on it or rethink.

I wanted her to know I disagreed with that vote. I'd hope she would take my opinion into account. I was leaning pretty strongly town on bitmap, mostly due to stuff he posted in the game thread, though his posts in the neighborhood were more reasons to think he's town.

I would love it if you would be more of a presence for a variety of reasons.

I was a strong presence until about 3 calendar days ago, I think. My migraine started calming down just in time for yesterday's blow-up. :/

f-16 and I both plan to work on reads lists today.

Was there something specific you wanted?

These are both townposting and, surprisingly, I find myself agreeing with them. I'm agreeing with FourTrouble guys, I think we've entered the twilight zone.

Why is agreeing with me surprising?

In both our previous games, I have found your thought processes to be counterintuitive / opposite the way I think as town. I thought you might turn out to be the kind of player I just tend to butt heads with all the time. But maybe I just needed to be town.

if rath happened to listen to him that would confrimed one of them to be scum. town players have that uhh... confbais they cant really get rid off.

and about the 2nd post playstyles may differ. it is the reason there is no 100% scum catching techinque

[ZZZX]

Ceph vs solar is tvt

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Why? I would love an answer that involved meta.

Answer that involves meta: F-16's emotion and timing.

I'm sure you can guess that I'd like more than this. He was plenty emotional in S&S.

I haven't read that game so my read isn't based on that. When I say emotion, what I mean is, first that F-16 is a very emotional player, and second, because of that F-16 has certain emotional characteristics that I don't think he'd ever replicate as scum without having them pointed out by someone else, because they're so understated and genuine and thus go unnoticed. For example, in Mafia on the air, there was a point where Tammy said F-16 would really hate to mislynch me -- that emotion was 100% genuine town emotion, because it's based on F-16 mislynching me a lot (like almost every game we played for over a year until more recently). That kind of emotion also lines up with F-16's feeling bad about mislynching, which is of course null, but it was more particular in my case, so it needed expression, and that the particukarity of the enotion is what made it so understated yet genuine. There wasn't any manipulation involved, which is typically the case with the expression of scum emotions.

There are a few similar moments in this game. F-16's first post, saying "holy fuck we drew town" and then asking if I was town is one of them. Of course, any scum can fake that but I know F-16 had just played with me as scum on a different site, and it kinda sucked because we both prefer playing with each other as town, and it sucks having to deceive one another, so that felt like a genuine emotion that needed expression in relation to a recent game we played. His follow up, wanting to immediately start scumhunting before the game has started just adds to that; you could telll F-16 was excited to play this game, and that's not something he'd feel as scum (might express it, to be sure, but his approach felt genuine). Admittedly, much of this is intuition at this point, but I've played a lot of games with F-16 so it's hard to explain.

The other thing here was F-16's response to Tammy's concerns earlier, starting in 532. F-16's town emotion is on full display. I'll explain that later tonight when I get home if you want; at the moment too busy to reread and explain those posts in-depth.

makes just a little bit sense since if he was using a scum tactic of forgeting ur scum he can fake that. but I can see your point

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The last person who told me they'd be more active tomorrow was scum. :/

Do you mean calendar day tomorrow?

i believe its a totally null read thing

[ZZZX]

Falcon and Tammy could you please focus on the game? Seriously it is really hard to sort people out with posts and posts of your personal argument not to mention the fact that then people are having to comment on that rather than figuring out who is scum and who is town which is what we need to do, We also need to start consolidating our votes so we make sure we have a lynch before deadline, preferably one that is not last minute.

Even thou that arguement was counter productive but pehaps it shows a slight pointer to thier allignment?

[ZZZX]

Vote Tiphaine

I'm gonna give Ceph a chance to catch up, but I'm pretty sure he's scum.

Your case on Mantis was coming in voting someone and splitting? She was then replaced by Cephir so whats up with this read?

Ok i'm here. Finished reading too. Just dumping my thoughts.

First, to xombie's and someone else who i can't remember thing about neighborhoods.

Yes plural. This isn't a new mechanic is it? Been done before. Don't think so. Yes they (plural) help me.

MS is pretty much almost obvitown. Idk much about him though.

Bitmap Rach Ihouse imp and solar wind are also fairly strong townreads.

xombie i'm reserving judgement on.

Everyone else is almost as lurky as me. Except in a few cases

Read vezok ISO. Strong townread.

I'll iso the other guys in a moment too

How can you be in more than ONE neighborhood? Sounds like a scum slip to me.

Eh what? Everyone is lurking including me except for those who are not lurking?

VOTE: Ace dude

First concern has been addressed. Multiple times, by multiple people. Apparently you haven't noticed. But either way i'm not answering it again.

Second concern.....makes no sense.

somewhat has a towny feel to the reply

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, what are your reads on people so far?

read list + some stuff after i finish studying in 2-3 hours at least

[ZZZX]

Unable to post the promised read list. Sorry

[ZZZX]

Vote: AceofSpades

I dont usually vote for people i cant read/find null but it seems that with the addition of the deadline and being the most unreadable so far for me I have to do that and try to fully give this game my all in a full night read since this game is going in an insane speed for me. :<

[ZZZX]

you guys post too much. on page 89. Would vote mastin or beast or stay on AP now. Will read isos for reasons once i finish the thread.

I just hope night is just classic night so I can read without people rocket posting.

[ZZZX]

What do you think fueled the last minute AP wagon?

My best guess is the pressure of impending deadline is what motivated most of the votes. The stuff you and Imperium posted previously most likely provided the original spark for the wagon.

pretty much i guess

[ZZZX]

What do you think fueled the last minute AP wagon?

My best guess is the pressure of impending deadline is what motivated most of the votes. The stuff you and Imperium posted previously most likely provided the original spark for the wagon.

pretty much i guess

What are you doing?
Who are you townreading?
Who are your primary scumreads?
What is your input on yesterday and today?

Seriously why do you play if you don't post anything?

I might not appear to be doing much but lets say stuff are getting interesting.

anyway my reads are not complete yet. but I feel ms is null/town . Mastin is prob town. and the rest should calm down and actually slow down thier posting lol.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX: Nothing. He's basically the most useless slot in the game. My D1 read stands.

Well i appear to be trying to play this power roles wise. this game is too fast to handle normally

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Yeah. It wasn't that it was too powerful for scum so it made him town, but he thought him more likely scum if that was the version of the role.

If I'm remembering our conversation right.

Are you too sure about everything? It might be a case of not giving all info and/or limitations. i have seen a few of em roles like that. (also this is a general pre read post. Sorry for not doing much yet)

[ZZZX]

Xombie's "where did my vote go" feels stupidly fake. Feels like calculated townslip. Do not like at all.

can confrim that i hate this type of reads that show "fake town slips" i was lynched for doing something like that without knowing.

[ZZZX]

game that ended recently with ~7 days and has been runing for 3-4 months: 200 pages

this game day 2: 179 pages

i got rekt.. :>

[ZZZX]

Zzzx you used to be top poster and my best friend!! What happened! Now you are worst poster and I have a new best friend called "The Mask"

Hopefully soon I will take back the throne. kinda got fked up in this sem. at uni so I am trying to catch up. But yea I feel bad about myself.

[ZZZX]

tbh i wish to know what the hell brambles are...

[ZZZX]

Its pretty much a complicated issue about it.
I feel more comfortable speaking in the neighborhood to discuss than the spam feast which is here.

[ZZZX]

K so I decided I'll do a full pbpA for one player this week. Who should I do it for?

[ZZZX]

K so I decided I'll do a full pbpA for one player this week. Who should I do it for?

Hey, ZX, know that whole "one or two exceptions" I was talking about?

A full pbpA is probably a good example of a fair exception.
If you do it for just one player, sure, in here is fine.
If you do it for every player, then it'd probably be best to do it in the PT, and present the important highlights in-thread since that amount of spam is, well...spam.

If you do it, your decision where it goes, of course.

Makes sense..

[ZZZX]

I don't know about Antihero but "changing your mind" is pretty damn low on my priority list.

I'll also go out on a limb here and wager you'll be here a while.

Shouldnt convincing people of what you believe in a pretty important thing for town thou?

[ZZZX]

that is hypothetical. it is true that i should learn to shut up. but i find that in mafia, it is better to play unrestrained (or at most not break the rules)

I 2nd this. but it does make it harder for those poor souls who cant keep up,. noonetheless it IS a good thing that shows your inneremotions

[ZZZX]

So I think I have to retract my earlier statement bout Four not being scummy, because after reading a little bit of their ISO, from the gate they seem to be a very try-hard sort of character. Since I'm unfamiliar with the players' meta, I'm not sure if that's just how they play town, or it's a scum trying to overcompensate for the fact they're scum by pushing hard on other people.

Regardless, it stands out to me as something fairly abnormal.

VOTE: FourTrouble

I promise I'll get more into this game as I get time, I just replaced into a really awkward/tough position as a townie and it's really defeating and I have to muster up a lot of evidence if I'm going to build a town case for myself.

i lik dis post,.

[ZZZX]

VLA UNTIL SUNDAY

last exam soon (TM)

i am so happeh

[ZZZX]

I ez back

time to try to do something...

[ZZZX]

I WILL NOT READ THE GAME.

That was the whole fucking point.

Then what do you need the time for? D:
Also don't loverize me tonight I will feel bad coming home to you with blood on my hands. Even with scumblood I cannot bear to touch you with soiled hands.


predit: man it hurts in my heart
I don't particularly regret what ive done
only that I have offended thee
who art good and deserving of my love

"scum intent leaking intensely"

[ZZZX]

@MS how do you think I can catch up to this never ending mess? >.<

[ZZZX]

Cephrir is scum. He immediately unvoted and voted TD. If he was town, he wouldn't mind lynching a scumread. He's playing for self-preservation.

Are you sure he is not doing it because he had a change of views and/or finds something else a better option? What was Cephrir reasoning for his change?

[ZZZX]

Ok I decide to stop being useless starting from now

Will read to catch up today. gona pull an all nighter on this shit

[ZZZX]

when in doubt sheep metal
VOTE: FourTr

[ZZZX]

I should be not voting actually.

I unvoted earlier.

is okay.

I redo.

UNVOTE:

There, that seems like a better use for my vote.

^ town post

[ZZZX]

I disagree.

I'm pretty sure that guy is teh scums.

I see your poi...

wait thats you....

also TWIE vs TSO felt weird. way too calm and non violent for a TvT. Yet not a single side dominating in a sense of TvS. Yet I dont get any reason why scum would do a SvS like that. Its prob a TvT thou..

[ZZZX]

I actually quite agree with ZeL1nk here - everyone covering for each other here is complete nonsense. I don't see why we're trusting mastin's read on ZZZX, for example. mastin hasn't been a particular bastion of town this game.

Tbh as an outsider pov thats true. But our hood is aweasom

[ZZZX]

I actually quite agree with ZeL1nk here - everyone covering for each other here is complete nonsense. I don't see why we're trusting mastin's read on ZZZX, for example. mastin hasn't been a particular bastion of town this game.

Tbh as an outsider pov thats true. But our hood is aweasom

What makes your hood awesome? Why are you so sure you guys are all town?

its hard to explain. But lets say we are pretty damn sure that we are all town due to some interesting factors

[ZZZX]

Oh good, interesting factors. How reassuring.

somethings are made not toa ee the sun light.

[ZZZX]

btw sky what do you think about hoods atm?

[ZZZX]

I actually quite agree with ZeL1nk here - everyone covering for each other here is complete nonsense. I don't see why we're trusting mastin's read on ZZZX, for example. mastin hasn't been a particular bastion of town this game.

Tbh as an outsider pov thats true. But our hood is aweasom

What makes your hood awesome? Why are you so sure you guys are all town?

its hard to explain. But lets say we are pretty damn sure that we are all town due to some interesting factors

This applies to every neighborhood saying this, but I'm not going to buy any statements like this until there's a reason to. Saying that you're all town means fuck all, especially when half the game is saying the same thing. If you can prove it, prove it, but otherwise get purged from the game.

Well if you think you want to do it then show ne what you want to do.

I have no reason toe xplain why am I or my hood conf town right now. I more like have reasons not to tell you. As town ill tell it to you straight.


I am not saying a word unless my whole hood agrees. As I am not the person to tell lies as town. any actual questions?

[ZZZX]

So you areasaying we are an all scum hood? then why are we in a hood since it makes no sense? If we are making it up doesn't that make everyone in scum team badically dead?

Your move

[ZZZX]

That's not what he's saying at all.

He thinks we all are scum.

If we alla re scum then it just wouldn't make sense


Whate lse is he's saying?

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ZZZX, there's definitely scum out there in the hoods somewhere. There's a possibility that there is scum in my hood. I'm pretty confident MS is town, but I don't know about TWIE.

But I have reasons strong enough to believe in my hood

[ZZZX]

I actually quite agree with ZeL1nk here - everyone covering for each other here is complete nonsense. I don't see why we're trusting mastin's read on ZZZX, for example. mastin hasn't been a particular bastion of town this game.

Tbh as an outsider pov thats true. But our hood is aweasom

What makes your hood awesome? Why are you so sure you guys are all town?

its hard to explain. But lets say we are pretty damn sure that we are all town due to some interesting factors

"Pretty damn sure"? Then what the hell was mastin going on about with the 100% number?

I told you. Its complicated

[ZZZX]

Scumreading all three of you does not equal positing that all of you are scum. You said.


However unless we are all scum then our hoods proofs show that we are all town

[ZZZX]

We had a chat earlier about the hoods overall, and we are in the process of testing a theory.

However we did get told very clearly by Dram to respect his fertile mind. And I have a personal theory that given the power that everyone seems to have that we actually have a type of hidden smalltown thing going. Which I think is probably the easiest non-arbitrary way of doing it. And it fits with the theory being tested.

Regardless, using neighbourhoods for scum hunting is bad.

Its notthat simple

P-edit I was busy anf this game was 10 times faster than I expected but guess what?

I drew town also my inactivity is ib the same period as recks game. Check it out

P-edit : nastine is more like 95% to me. But I am 100% to him. Xombie is a 100 for both of us

[ZZZX]

But I can be able to confirm it soon enough

[ZZZX]

Are either of you a 100% to Xombie?

Ask him. I think so at peast unless he dodnt tell us about aomething.

[ZZZX]

Brb foodz

[ZZZX]

I disagree.

I'm pretty sure that guy is teh scums.

I see your poi...

wait thats you....

also TWIE vs TSO felt weird. way too calm and non violent for a TvT. Yet not a single side dominating in a sense of TvS. Yet I dont get any reason why scum would do a SvS like that. Its prob a TvT thou..

I wanted to respond to that with something other than just a facepalm. But I literally couldnt think of another way to aptly do so.

whi?

[ZZZX]

when

either this day or next one? not sure tbh. its complicated as i told yo

[ZZZX]

Me and ZeL1nk have caused ~things~ to happen!

You revived the ancient ZZZX.

but basically your interaction was weird. but you two can get 2 mini town reads for now.

[ZZZX]

I wanted to respond to that with something other than just a facepalm. But I literally couldnt think of another way to aptly do so.

whi?

It's not your fault.

Ok... Anyway.

What do you think about thier interaction?

@Ceph yes. That was a joke... they revived me to comment on it..

[ZZZX]

when

either this day or next one? not sure tbh. its complicated as i told yo

Uncomplicate it.

Impossible. It has some out of hand factors i guess.

[ZZZX]

Philistine

Your avatar is not convincing even if you say that...

[ZZZX]

what's going on in this freak show?

ZZZX has awaken.

[ZZZX]

It's not your fault.

There is a loop in the matrix...

[ZZZX]

ok i am not even sure of your allignments anymore

TWIE is now totally null. either town for being carefree of scum for trying to distract chat..

even thou i think metal has done enough distracting so ther is no need anyway.

[ZZZX]

He'll never take your position. He's overqualified.

Or am I?

[ZZZX]

Behold the truth Cephrir

You cant defeat me!

(pro tip for anyone trying to read this seriously. skip this apge and the one before it. sorry but i cant resist this)

[ZZZX]

ok i am not even sure of your allignments anymore

TWIE is now totally null. either town for being carefree of scum for trying to distract chat..

even thou i think metal has done enough distracting so ther is no need anyway.

I actually should apologize for this.

This game was going to smoothly, so on track.

But this I single handedly ruined it.

It is fine to have one of those everywhile. I like you apologized for it. Looks town enough.

[ZZZX]

It's not your fault.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX... you're killing me man.

I cant... I am town. :<

[ZZZX]

[ZZZX]

ok thats enough you guys <_<

you know * gone wrong when teh mod himself has to go in lol

and yea sorry

[ZZZX]

Anyway we should stop before he SMITES us...

can someone start a serious conversation because i cant think of anything... metal sonic halp

[ZZZX]

f I didn't have such a townread on the TiphaineDeath slot, I'd be scumreading ZeL1nK hard. Really reads as trying too hard to be flippant. Too many silly questions ("Hey, who thinks the wagon on me is all town" etc). But, eh, TiphaineDeath, so still think the slot is town.

you must think about this because i have been tricked like that before.

[ZZZX]

Why are you voting ur team read to shoot someone while you can lynch whoever you want ded...?

[ZZZX]

One might infer that me noting it there is, in fact, me thinking about it.

The biggest item for me is that I'm pretty sure TiphaineDeath was telling the truth about roleblocking mastin, and the pre-emptive claiming about all of that looks town. TiphaineDeath-scum could've also easily roleblocked mastin-town, but I would not expect them to open D2 claiming so.

PEdit: I understand each of the words you said, and yet do not understand your meaning.

Why not just lynch your scum read instead of getting him shot?

[ZZZX]

Okay but like telling me to pick 1 when I'd rather give the shooter like a better overall feel doesnt make sense. If I had to shoot this second I dont know if I would pick andy or farside.

Similarly I think I would maybe shoot either Mastin or Xombie, because they've effectively been claiming Mason all day, and now ZZZX says they arent.

I probably wouldnt shoot zxzxzxzxz.

this is a smite game. there is no "simple" role. roles work with each others to create effective stuff. i told ya they are confirmed to each others anyway

[ZZZX]

ZZZX is scum.
Please shoot mastin or the above.
I'm dealing with the choices I made last night. >________>

hm?

[ZZZX]

guess we must wait for the shot. I will be back soon.

[ZZZX]

4t's reactions feels sad

[ZZZX]

4t's reactions feels sad

by sad i mean its weird and bad.

but yea sad also applies...

[ZZZX]

Who are my ~3 partners, ooba?

Imperium, heartless since they've avoided your wagon like the plague.
AceOfSpades for the bussing partner.

Haven't had time to analyze FT's possible pairings since I town read somewhere mid gladiate.

if ooba is scum I suppose ignoring every single post after getting killed is perfectly perfect.
thoughts?

[ZZZX]

Incidentally, if ooba is town, Zelink is also town.

Uhh No.

You cant link a town to a town like this. because it just doesnt work.

[ZZZX]

Yes I can.

If you can find me the scum motivation for thinking of the outbox thing in a world where ooba is town and deciding to go ahead and tell FT about it, go ahead.

whatever ooba said cant affect FT unless the reply was good and townies

the reply felt real but forced. really forced

[ZZZX]

ugh whatever floats your goats...

[ZZZX]

Ceph why u name colored?

[ZZZX]

Whatever.

I'm a modified vig. If you want Ozgin dead, it's better to no lynch and tell me to shoot him. Strictly better.

what if like scum-kills go before vig shots f.e?

[ZZZX]

All my crumbs should make sense now.

I just think that your fun play makes sense. so I think its somewhat believable.

[ZZZX]

Can I get why people think mastin is scum again?

[ZZZX]

CAN SOMEONE JUST FREAKING EXPLAIN WHAT THE * is going on here and not ignore me?

[ZZZX]

*SMASH HEAD BY WALL*

[ZZZX]

STOP/IGNORING/ME people...

[ZZZX]

Well TSO you better do some explaining.

I didn't feel pain last night, didn't get vanillaized, but since Vezok claimed to be my personal bodyguard, it is entirely possible that tso could be a bad scum role. rolecop no.2? Action copier? Delayed killer? Anything, really.



Okay mastin, you buy yourself another day.

I can confirm the tso part being said before all this crap happened (in the neighborhood)

but i dont get why mastin suddenly is considered scum suddenly

o-great metal can ou explain to me?

[ZZZX]

p-edt: but why suddenly now?

[ZZZX]

was it because of the promised action today?

[ZZZX]

One of the weaker aspects of my role allows me to know that, with a 95% margin of accuracy, TSO targeted you last night, MS.

Is this true, TSO?

Even if TSO doesn't know it's true (i.e. the possibility of being redirected), it's true.

So the way I figure it, he's either town who targeted Sonic,
Or someone who was redirected to Sonic, something I can only see being done on town.
Scum wouldn't action on him with a role.

Or he's scum who wants to mess with my dayvig

There's a very very glaring assumption you're making (scum won't target me) and very nasty slippery slope

It is actually interesting. Even if things were not clear its kinda surprising how fast it happened (somewhat) but I guess we should deal with TSO first.

I think you said you already had a bodyguard on you. I cant think of many town roles that would want to target another town player... right?

[ZZZX]

There's a very very glaring assumption you're making (scum won't target me) and very nasty slippery slope

Thus, probtown instead of conftown.

THe thing is even if scum targeted mastin it wouldnt end up in a simple way. Its hard to explain tbh

[ZZZX]

Ok ...
I so want to vote the mod right now. my head hurts...

[ZZZX]

Carry on x_X

Ill pretend that i saw nothing

anyway... where were we?

[ZZZX]

@ZZZX:

Given that mastin thinks y'all are town, has she fullclaimed in neighborhood?

More specifically, I'm curious about this:

(Okay. I'll fully admit. My role is not as gamebreakingly powerful as I thought at the gamestart, because I misread my PM, and with a couple of mod clarifications, he revealed it wasn't as strong as it could have been. But what I have is still freakin' awesome, so long as you place TRUST in me to not be scum and ALLOW ME TO USE IT, to use my ACTUAL action.)

If she fullclaimed previously, has she disclosed what this means in more exact terms?

Yea. All became clear by day 2 when mastin tried to set his plan in motion just to figure out its not qhat he thought it is.

Honestly from the brotherhood he looks 100% legit.

[ZZZX]

Had mastin submitted an action last Night, would you be cleared?

Mastun didnt talk at the neighborhood until the day when it was written that he forgot to submut(his ownw ords)

But I can see his acitivty was too low recently

But from a role side he is town. But that's all I can tell you.

[ZZZX]

And do you know the exact mechanics of how mastinw ould've gotten a report on TSO without submitting?

Its complicated but mastin doesn't need to submit foe that (according to his role)

[ZZZX]

Like 10feb

[ZZZX]

Like 10feb

Did you and Xombie both also fullclaim around this time?

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What do you think about mastin not submitting an action last Night?

Alternative question: Was there any conversation D2 about mastin clearing y'all D3?

I never dull claimed. I have claimed most of my stuff early on. I got cleared at night 1 basically thou

[ZZZX]

What about Xombie?

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Is your clearing basically "mastin claimed something or other whereby if you were scum you would've shot her but she didn't get shot therefore you're not scum"?

Nope. It was an actions interaction.

And zombie was cleared d1 somewhat.

[ZZZX]

Full. Explanation.

ZZZX is one of the people I think could very well be a bad guy and I'm sick of seeing, "oh, leave him alone, he's definitely town!" when I am fairly certain most people would have a laughing fit to the point of falling down on their knees in tears when they hear you're serious about whatever information you have that suggests this.

No offense.

Do you actually have a reason, Or is it gut, Or is it just that I am scum in your point of view somehow?

[ZZZX]

because you say you have information.

Information = facts/reads

Facts cannot be true unless you are lying about them (which ends up in the silly silly point of getting lynched after me)

and reads... were not supplied.

[ZZZX]

The sum of all you said is... Nothing about me at all.

Note2: effort =! Alignment

Note3: I didn't see you do much good either. Just a lot of fluff

[ZZZX]

Can I get why people think mastin is scum again?

CAN SOMEONE JUST FREAKING EXPLAIN WHAT THE * is going on here and not ignore me?

*SMASH HEAD BY WALL*

STOP/IGNORING/ME people...

Can you explain what the heck this was all about?

Your first post is four minutes before your next three posts. In that four minutes of EVERYONE IGNORING YOU Mastin and Zelink were the only people to post.

So, why did you feel the need to go ballistic?

And what purpose does it serve to get into a "You haven't done more than me you're posting fluff" slap fest with Zelink when if you're reading the game even as a skim master (or novice) you'd have to be color blind or not have a pulse to miss the blinking green lights that shine from all of his posts.

This all just feels fake.

Because votes were going in without anyone explain wtf was going on

[ZZZX]

Right now I believe a tso lynch can basically clear our whole neighborhood if he was scum. Its a pretty informative lynch

Also tso. Claim?

[ZZZX]

As soon as pressure shifts from tso even slightly he just disappears.

something I know him for doing..

VOTE: TSO

[ZZZX]

Maguna's posts also indicate town.

[ZZZX]

The question to ZZZX is more or less "How would you feel about mastin if her report was provably impossible"

by report do you mean action?

[ZZZX]

Pretend that TSO is lynched and flips town who has no Night action. What then?

to be honest I cant really build anything off that.

[ZZZX]

Why are you voting for a player not in the game? Especially a non-existent player that you think is town?

Let me ask this but instead ask why would you vote someone who you tihnk he will be town again? for the vig? I believe thats... not the best thing to do right now.

[ZZZX]

How is that not the best thing to do?

This day is going nowhere. Some people are fixating on mastin. Others are fixating on Anamikus. Nobody wants to talk about other options. Nobody wants to talk about

anything at all

, really.

How about you all stop hiding in your neighborhoods and start contributing to the game?

Or just lynch Anamikus and get the day over with if none of you want to write anything worth reading.

I'm over trying to stimulate discussion when there's only two or three people who care enough to actually play the game right now.

so is getting a town read as the target for the "lynch" better or trying to read other "null" people here?

I believe the latter is a better option even if I am kinda rusty atm

[ZZZX]

I believe the latter is a better option even if I am kinda rusty atm

Then

DO

something.

Because your fantastic strategy of sitting back, ignoring questions and posting zero content while waiting for people to claim scum doesn't seem to be working!

I AM doing something

including my reads, reasons, and a way for players to read me (from my posts)

am I missing anything I should be doing? I am not ignoring any question and I am posting content but it is ignoring and considered just random stuff.

[ZZZX]

Prod over slept yesterday..

[ZZZX]

Zzzx,

You have been pretty poorly playing the entire game and have never been able to catch up. With team mafia going to start soon, I honestly doubt that you will have the time for this game

If you are town, have you considered...?

We both know I have a policy of never replacing out unless real life prevents me from playing.

Its a personal statement and also a way to ease the things for mods. By time I believe I will be useful. I know that later on I shall be useful. But I am trying my best now. esp witha holyday coming closer (yay)

[ZZZX]

VOTE: ZeL1nK

Please, FourTrouble. Mercy.

This makes me... the worst town player in this game facepalm (>.<)

[ZZZX]

By the way, FourTrouble, please don't hero-vig mastin.

I would

really

like to see the logic behind clearing the neighborhood, just so

if

ZZZX is scum, he's not allowed to coast to endgame on "mastin said he's 100% town" logic.

I also don't particularly think mastin is scum here, but I realise I'm in the minority with this opinion. I think I'm right, though.

Also, please select TSO as your new target. He's probably bulletproof scum so there's no point shooting him.

Thanks in advance.

When we get to late game I have my own way of proving myself

Right now I am honestly confused about many things I guess

[ZZZX]

It all depends on what mastin does now.

[ZZZX]

Now where hte hell is mastin..

[ZZZX]

I am still feeling TSO is kinda fishy tbh and am willing to vote him..

[ZZZX]

Would you like for me to write you a formal invitation, perhaps with instructions on how to do it?

Or is there something physically inhibiting you from doing so? If so, my condolences and I hope you recover soon.

Thanks and not really. Phone posting makes me lazyeh

[ZZZX]

i dont see a problem with multiple docs. the more the merrier, right?

of course, scum would be complaining. wouldn't they?

hmm but shouldnt we assume scum has some kind of uhhh kill percing or something
cus looking at it we have ALOT of those.

like seriously alot
pedit:
@MS ultis are cool

[ZZZX]

Do you actually fucking believe you and ZeL1nk are that convincing? I am so not worried about your views on me I have been mercilessly holding you up as a sign of the pressure and wagon me being substandard. Do you actually think vezok-town was so convinced he just upped sticks and voted me? Really?

the thing about you is: there has been alot of things pointing at your direction for a while. while metal is prob into the relm of conf town (unless something proves it otherwise)

p-edit : lol

[ZZZX]

if there is only

1 last red scum

left and it is TSO




then i wont get to use my ulti

Any reason why you think about mutli teams when we clearly have no flips from any other color?

[ZZZX]

I am honestly finding it really weird here sonic. making me feel weird about you isnt what you should do m8

[ZZZX]

you and zelink now owe him a "sheep"

the thought of oweing a "sheep" feels too anti town and useless sometimes. thats what i personally believe. Its just anti-productive.

[ZZZX]

Yeah, MS, I'm the last scum. This game's set-up was 21-3-1 with multiple town vigs.

There is no emoticon onsite to accurately portray my level of disdain.

@TSO what do you think about his comment about the team color? do you think it might indicate a possible slip of a 2nd team ms by any chance?

[ZZZX]

Yeah, MS, I'm the last scum. This game's set-up was 21-3-1 with multiple town vigs.

There is no emoticon onsite to accurately portray my level of disdain.

@TSO what do you think about his comment about the team color? do you think it might indicate a possible slip of a 2nd team ms by any chance?

I don't think so, ZZZX, the kills every night just don't add up if that was the case.

its true about that but that post honestly pings my radar

like what if the 2nd team had a dayvig instead of a night kill?

also I have not seen any time when he killed anyone. so i have an interesting question. his identity isnt revealed in the daykill right?

[ZZZX]

I find it kinda building up with his semi slip, ability (if he was not revealed) and how noone from the "third team" (if it existed by his post which indicated so) got killed.

add that to the hugely underpowered scum and we got something wrong.

This smells fishy tbh

[ZZZX]

Racist

This thing had at least 1 kill per night, sometimes 2 - I think it was meant to reduce town's numbers significantly.

still too low for a 25 player action-madness game

i honestly find this game more comparable to MS style games (in server) in terms of skills. and I am sure scum team is just too damn weak by the way we are seeing it. If a 2nd team flips at any time I WILL be going for metal.

[ZZZX]

heartless and zelink burned my braincells into the gruond...

[ZZZX]

METAL

WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S CAVING ON THE TSO WHITEKNIGHT NOW?

because of me and zelink
*looks at the obvious*

/thought experiment

tso is lynched

flips town

you and zelink now owe him a "sheep"

THAT'S what vezok was focusing on

Congratulations! You caught me good. How did you figure I'm the best scum mastermind there ever was? Who did foil every single part of my plan? Yes I protected Ceph because his role was too good for us and I needed him alive to do stuff. When we saw that our killed disappeared I decided to claim to gain town cred for me and ceph. After that FT made our day worse by killing ceph, but all was not lost, because I had the incredible idea of voting someone who I openly said I townread at the start of the day in exchange for a gentleman's agreement of sheeping knowing I'll control more votes tomorrow.

But in my incredibly excited state I made some mistakes. I should have never said I consider TSO town, because I could've coasted way easier. My genius is oh so limited in only grand schemes. I mess the details every single time.

Now that the incredible scumhunter TSO has foiled my master plan I have nothing else to do. but bow to him.

HAIL TSO, THE MOST PARANOID KING THAT EVER LIVED! LONG LIVE THE KING, LONG LIVE TSO!

the only reason I am not insta lynhing you right now is because of your damn role

[ZZZX]

actually... why is vezok a doctor alive??

[ZZZX]

maybe you should read the game

well reading most of the thing i could manage to couldnt clearify that for me.

can you be town enough to... you know spill the beans?

[ZZZX]

BTW i will just post this for later on but


if MS is scum this game and wins it he deserves an award. lol.

[ZZZX]

Vote TSO, ZZZX.

i feel better about tso honestly but still not enough.

but I am looking at many interesting facts here. dont you have anything to comment on my like...

last 20 posts?

[ZZZX]

if there is only

1 last red scum

left and it is TSO




then i wont get to use my ulti

Any reason why you think about mutli teams when we clearly have no flips from any other color?

ZZZX earlier in the game, post 4509, MS said scum had daytalk. I questioned him on why he thought that and he said he was making an assumption based on experience. But he said it as a true statement in the original post. It has made me feel uneasy about him ever since.

Its true it can be both ways but I really wish I have a way to double check your identity

p-edit: we have so many vigs docs redirects to make the 2 powerful roles look like kitties

[ZZZX]

Vote TSO, ZZZX.

i feel better about tso honestly but still not enough.

but I am looking at many interesting facts here. dont you have anything to comment on my like...

last 20 posts?

You're asking pointless questions instead of voting TSO.

sadly I like to standout with my thoughts and actions

and If i want to vote tso i will do it later

for now how are my points pointless? I am pretty much I am making some damn sense here.

[ZZZX]

well from what i see heartless's points are nearly hte same as mine.

@zlink go ahead and talk,. I am interested

[ZZZX]

METAL

WHY DO YOU THINK HE'S CAVING ON THE TSO WHITEKNIGHT NOW?

because of me and zelink
*looks at the obvious*

/thought experiment

tso is lynched

flips town

you and zelink now owe him a "sheep"

THAT'S what vezok was focusing on

Congratulations! You caught me good. How did you figure I'm the best scum mastermind there ever was? Who did foil every single part of my plan? Yes I protected Ceph because his role was too good for us and I needed him alive to do stuff. When we saw that our killed disappeared I decided to claim to gain town cred for me and ceph. After that FT made our day worse by killing ceph, but all was not lost, because I had the incredible idea of voting someone who I openly said I townread at the start of the day in exchange for a gentleman's agreement of sheeping knowing I'll control more votes tomorrow.

But in my incredibly excited state I made some mistakes. I should have never said I consider TSO town, because I could've coasted way easier. My genius is oh so limited in only grand schemes. I mess the details every single time.

Now that the incredible scumhunter TSO has foiled my master plan I have nothing else to do. but bow to him.

HAIL TSO, THE MOST PARANOID KING THAT EVER LIVED! LONG LIVE THE KING, LONG LIVE TSO!

the only reason I am not insta lynhing you right now is because of your damn role

Come at me bro. It's not the first time I was lynched as a doctor and it won't be the last. It's one of my most hated roles.

@heartless: Tell your buddies to dayvig me. Tell me when so I can post my thoughts before that and have a last 1v1 fight.

your role is the only thing stopping me now anyway

[ZZZX]

Zlink can you kindly answer my damn questions?

thanks

-Z

[ZZZX]

He's never going to survive no matter his alignment and if he did it would be through blind luc

well metal is someone who uses blind luck pretty much alot.

and it works

[ZZZX]

*tap tap tap* - Does this thing work? I feel like I'm the invisible player in this game or something.

same feeling man. same thing

[ZZZX]

aaand that was all the questions you've asked in the last 30 posts of yours or so. did I miss anything?

Even thou it makes sense somewhat but its still kinda weird setupwise.

I am not sure anymore tbh. Still suspecting ms here

[ZZZX]

And I hate vezok play so much I am about to vote him..

[ZZZX]

Speak of the devil.

Lol

[ZZZX]

aaand that was all the questions you've asked in the last 30 posts of yours or so. did I miss anything?

Even thou it makes sense somewhat but its still kinda weird setupwise.

I am not sure anymore tbh. Still suspecting ms here

It's fine, T S O, your play is still better than some players in this game

I guess he talking about me here ? :/

[ZZZX]

@zlink how about you wait until i discuss stuff with my neighborhood?

[ZZZX]

I didn't mention your name.

isnt that what you implied by "speak of the devil"?

whatever anyway

[ZZZX]

And I hate vezok play so much I am about to vote him..

You can feel free to respond to Post 7757.

That's actually an open invitation. Anyone voting or wanting to vote vezok is free to respond to that post.

Also, where do you people think the missing night kill went last night and how are you skipping over the fact that tso was blocked last night?

his claim can (or cant) be to protect a partner

i honestly dont think metal has a partner after thinking but thinking further i believe vezok's claim is protecting him for one. Also I am sure the scum must have some way to go throu the countless freaking docs we have this game which would take out metal who have done alot to them.

so you see both vezok and metal look fishy. I am honestly scared of metal because he is a great scum player and he CAN and MIGHT trick us all and win this if he was scum/3rd

[ZZZX]

I am in the same boat about hte timing but

I am waiting for something this day which is why I am not voting yet

[ZZZX]

I guess the only thing left for me isVOTE: TSO

Rejoice Zlink

[ZZZX]

The main reason i am voting TSO is mainly because his survival might be abused by scum later on and he can be pushed for lylo even if he was town. That and a minor/semi scum read on him.

[ZZZX]

Don't waste your fucking vig shot on me, it doesn't work. Lynch me and shoot TWIE.

Im blockproof redirectproof and deathproof though.

I feel like I just said that a couple pages ago.

ZZZX has no beleaving

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, is Drixx town?

Yes.. ?

[ZZZX]

ZZZX, is Drixx town?

Yes.. ?

And mastin is town, too, yes?

Like, you're sure, if you were in three-way lylo with you, mastin, and Drixx, you'd be all, "Guess it's a bastard mod let's no lynch" type of deal?

yea I guess. somewhat like that

[ZZZX]

... this day needs to end for real

[ZZZX]

We will show stuff when the time is right

meanwhile lets either end the day or do something productive.. please?

[ZZZX]

Mastin claimed. But it's still a "trust me, ZZZX is town" thing.

Do you believe anything i did in general makes me appear scum?

[ZZZX]

@FT - I think you should just go ahead with TSO if you're having trouble keeping up.

- Decent chance of flipping scum.
- Good lynch even if town - stops the tunnels, makes people re-evaluate. (Zel for example has been on TSO for the most part since D3)
- If he's left alive, all discussion is going to be center-ed around him. (Just like how D4 was)

Go for it!

TSO lynch basically just gives us more info. I believe he is truely null atm but if he survived to lylo its nearly confirmed that scum will make use of it if he was town. and if he was scum he will counter argue that scum are pushing him.

Its a bad/bad situation

[ZZZX]

Mastin claimed. But it's still a "trust me, ZZZX is town" thing.

Do you believe anything i did in general makes me appear scum?

No, it's things you're not doing that make me think you're not town.

Though this becomes a lot less likely if TSO is scum because I don't really think your interactions make sense as scum together.

Its true I am not doing that great this game since i was so busy first 2-3 days (Yea I know shouldnt sign up if i am busy) but meh

things will clear up with time. I have a problem of inability to read games in details unless I am joing hte conversation.

[ZZZX]

the wait is endless

[ZZZX]

i hate this day... my mind cant handle wth just happened.

[ZZZX]

Like, I understand your preferred method of scum hunting is "lets try to make it look like NOTHING he said is EVER right!!!" which is, funny, I guess? But at the same time, makes you look like a tryhard imbecile.

TSO

I would just like you to know that even if you think my name is Maximus Derpus Imbecilius, commander of the armies of the dumb, general of the moron legions, loyal servant to the true scum lord, Imperium... I love you and I think you're a pretty cool guy. And as much as I'm trying hard to get you lynched, I just want you to know that I love you outside of the fact that I think you're a scummy bad guy who needs to die a mercilessly painful death.

lol.

[ZZZX]

"Guys I have a secret role information that'll totally win it in lylo" -> Check
Sticking to story despite disbelief from other players -> Check
"No I can't tell you you gotta trust me" -> Check
When info is finally claimed, is shown that it would not totally win it in lylo -> Check

Everything you dont know.

[ZZZX]

What would happen if we tried to lynch you again today?

id die

?

would like to know

also my mind is fried. i hate this game day so hard.

[ZZZX]

vla perants out of country for 2 days and I gotta take care of the house for that time

[ZZZX]

VLA ended today.

and will post today/tomorrow

notes: wtf this day didnt end yet

and

@the post about me null: yea i had problems at the start and i can really read games well without joining discussions :/

[ZZZX]

why the fuck is it that once we get close to lynching anybody some magical anti lynch magic happens?

[ZZZX]

Here.
Have read up to date.
Have...literally nothing to add.

That's a very bad thing, yaknow.

[ZZZX]

What I do care about is who you (and, perhaps by extension, ZZZX and Drixx) think are scum.

I don't have any reads that I'd call scumreads. To call my reads scumreads would be to imply a strength that isn't there. I can

maybe

give an approximate order to my reads, but it's not going to be definitive and not exactly a scumlist. As far as I know, ZX is entirely lost in the game and thus, worse than I am reads-wise. Drixx is sorta similar, bad with keeping up with the game and not with many reads, but I think he's there--ask him; he's not hiding anything in the neighborhood readswise. (I forbade it. Talking about reads is a PUBLIC activity, not a private one. We reserve private talks for role stuff, which only very slightly goes into my reads, via my cop. Me having submitted my cop already, I want to keep it a secret, but given the lack of strength behind my reads, I don't even have a readslist, neither public nor private.)

Otolia (either sheeping me or pressuring Otolia, doesn't really matter).

Otolia I just think is scum. His pattern of replacing in is highly, I dunno, Titusey in execution? That is, he comes in, plays the clueless card, starts innocently asking about pressure on every major wagon, sheeps one where he buddies a pusher of it, and asks useless "helpful" questions that lead nowhere. (That's basically what Titus does when replacing in as scum near-100% of the time.)

Or who you think is town besides your neighborhood and me.

Equally sad state to my scumreads.

How come Drixx and ZZZX aren't voting?

Ask them. They'll do what I ask, but they're not my slaves, contrary to what you may have assumed. They're individual players with individual stances.

I assume you all are actually doing stuff in your neighborhood.

Sort

-of. See also, roles, not reads. Reads are for the thread and any neighborhood claiming to have discussed reads in their own neighborhood is AUTOMATICALLY suspect as far as I'm concerned.

this basically explains most of it. Everything is confusong atm with half of the playlist "unkillable" for some freaking reason...

[ZZZX]

We get close to lynxhing tso? Magic happens.

We waba lynch a b and c? Oh a and b can't die and c is lynxh proof

[ZZZX]

We get close to lynxhing tso? Magic happens.

We waba lynch a b and c? Oh a and b can't die and c is lynxh proof

Who's unlynchable ? Who can't die ?

He's talking about himself, drixx and mastin.

no?

[ZZZX]

ZZX, didn't Mastin pretty much claim to be unkillable?

unkillable <> can survive nightkills etc

unkillable at all = cant even be lynched.

[ZZZX]

also did thewayitends claim unkillable?

[ZZZX]

I wish you didn't do that. It doesn't exactly help your case.

I've been trying to get a conversation going with one of the Imperium heads but they're both busy or MIA.

I don't really think you're scum at the moment, but you're not exactly doing yourself any favours.

What are your thoughts on Ace-slot (Otolia)?

I dont get what you ment here

but generally Otolia is one fo the slots i had no interactions with/ hes mostly in the null cat. and leaning scummy based on PoE

[ZZZX]

i want this day to end. I will sheep mastin.

VOTE: Otolia.

[ZZZX]

UNVOTE:
I somewhat agree with vezok here.

[ZZZX]

VOTE: heartless
if this can help end thsi god damn day then may it be.

[ZZZX]

town:

Magua
Ollie
Ooba
Zelink
Mastin2
Metal Sonic
Mnemonic
Otolia

These players will not be lynched throughout the course of the game unless mastin claims what makes ZZZX and Drixxx actual confirmed town. Lynch order is likely Skybird to TSO to Espeonage to ZZZX to Drixx to vezok to TWIE. If Drixx and ZZZX confirm themselves, they get into the town block and push Otolia and Mnemonic near the end. If they just kind of confirm themselves, they make it to the end of the lynch list.

you cant have someone in a town block and have someone he confirmed to be 100% town outside of it you know.

that and the fact that there is a REASON we dont give you the info. We gave you what mastin does for now so dont ask for the impossible.

[ZZZX]

it prob was because of targeting one of mastin/drixx. so it reflected into TSO?

[ZZZX]

and
VOTE: TSO

[ZZZX]

@Drixx / ZZZX:

The annoying thing isn't you obfuscating information.

The annoying thing is you two saying "OMG WE HAVE GREAT INFORMATION TRUST US."

Similarly, the annoyance with mastin isn't her saying that she thinks her neighborhood is all town. The annoyance is her saying "OMG MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS 100% MOD CONFIRMED TOWN TRUST ME"

Like, if you don't want to talk about your information, then fucking don't. But don't bring it up every goddamn post and then say "OH BUT WE CANT TALK ABOUT IT"

It's goddamn infuriating.

its what we use to survive until we can use that info. sadly.

[ZZZX]

Its like you didnt read that post.

... yes i did and i replied why we did that.

[ZZZX]

am here btw.

[ZZZX]

Just vig deadweight, lynch TSO and get this day over with. A day under 100 pages would be nice for a change.

I totally agree.

atm I gave up on reading all the fluff and I am playing this like a true Ponline player does.: Mechanics ALL THE WAY

[ZZZX]

mastin is shot.... :/

[ZZZX]

will speak later 2moro.

p-edit: he is conf town for me.

[ZZZX]

I need to fucking read. is that too hard to understand? i cant give u reads at 12:20 when I am thinking stuff.

[ZZZX]

VLA 4 three days

[ZZZX]

we told you that our neighborhood knows each one of us is town, you all started bullshitng it and tried lynching each one of us a zillions times, one of us flips town and you all still talking about that bullshit.

will you guys seriously wake up?

[ZZZX]

i think if zx is scum then he has immunity to mastina's plan. or something. she never got to reveal it. and even drixx doubts him so.

drixx never doubted me really >.>

[ZZZX]

my vla is done today, will read tomorrow.

[ZZZX]

shoot zzzx mark espeonage

Ya let's ignore everything flipped town cop/tracker said and shoot the guy he said that its confirmed town! Oh and we don't lynch him cys his claim might protect him since he will be clearly town! Just shoot I'm for the glory of the scum!