SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[iHouse]

Hey everyone. This slot will be mostly the same, itll just have another set of eyes (tott)!
eyes-tott? Geddit? eyes?
Ugh.
Anyways, the replace came at just the wrong moment, as I have to go to dinner.
I'll be back soon!
Eyestott

[iHouse]

Hey mastin. Who would you track tonight if you had the chance, and why?

[iHouse]

Hey mastin. Who would you track tonight if you had the chance, and why?

I'm not in any way saying that i'm a tracker, or anything. I'm just trying to spark some interaction.
Mightve looked like I'm a tracker looking for advice or something, in hindsight.
eye

[iHouse]

Geez, I'd be paranoid if I wasn't part of this hydra.

- House

[iHouse]

Xombie
ZZZX
Bitmap
FourTrouble
Imperium
Solar Wind
Ooba

TSO<--Read atrophied somewhat, but still town.
iHouse<--Around here for now.

Shame on you. Ask Wake how I react when people sandbag my townreads.

- House

[iHouse]

Wake, how does House react when people sandbag his townreads?

I'm pretty sure you could answer that, too.

[iHouse]

Yo.

Vote: Imperium

.

Why?

Because screw you all, I am a scumhunting GOD.

I'm almost willing to sheep you based on the one post he's made since yours.

Not because it's a prod dodge, but that it looks like an opportunistic way to active lurk, given the two posts prior to it.

Mastin's vote was a joke.

I'm not sure what you mean by the two posts prior being an opportunistic way to active lurk.

p-dodging right after 2 others do also? Looks pretty opportunistic, to me. Drowning it in a group of post dodges increases town apathy.

[iHouse]

Hey guys. Now, I know House has his own reads, but I mainly read people by interacting with them. I have a few reads just from reading the game, but they're all weak.
Metal Sonic, what did you learn from your reaction test? What would you have expected Xombies to do as each alignment? Why did you claim Mason with Beast so early?
Solar and Imperium: Gun to your head, would you say the other Hydra is town or scum?
If anyone would like to chat, I'm here for a while.
Eye

[iHouse]

I do? Oh, was it another gambit/lie/joke/whatever?
Ohhhh, he was saying that TSO and Beast were masons. I interpreted it wrong.
Eye

[iHouse]

Hey house, you missed a question Solar Wind had for you earlier.
How was that?
In all seriousness, Ill mention it. Though, making that post there is probably enough.

[iHouse]

Sonic, what would you say the most important event of the day has been?

[iHouse]

Why do you think theyre scum?

[iHouse]

Damnit, eye gotta start seyening meye posts.
Eye

[iHouse]

Scum already knows who is town, even in multiball they know who is not part of their team. By discussing things you may trip them up and catch them in the smaller setting of a neighborhood, so I disagree with you that the neighborhoods are useless.

BS. By sharing our reads, they know who is less likely to be mislynched (NK bait), possible PR crumbs that aren't available to all of town, and who can be sold as a lynch.

How much of your thoughts here are shaded by our huge-ass neighborhood in the FFX game? And how is that game shading your thoughts?

That post isn't at all shaded by that neighborhood. That hood was all town. I'm referring to the scenarios where sharing reads with a limited audience that include scum.

Not all of town will benefit from that share, but the scum will pass that intel along to his/her mates.

[iHouse]

This game is more comparable with X-Men Avengers Alliance

So are you saying you're scum here too?

Sorry, keep forgetting I replaced out.

Unsubscribing from this thread on House.

[iHouse]

This game is more comparable with X-Men Avengers Alliance

So are you saying you're scum here too?

no you tootiehead

im talking about the neighborhood thing

I couldn't resist the opportunity to rib you.

[iHouse]

X-post:
I'm going to my best friends Birthday party today, and then I'm going to sleep, and then I'm going out to enrole for my course. I will be back in approximately 24 hours.
eyestott

[iHouse]

vezo hasn't posted much in here. :/

He's trying to stoke discussion in the hood. Thankfully, nobody is biting.

I'd like to hear Vezok's scum motivation for "trying to stoke discussion in the hood". And why you are glad discussion is low.

He's the only player in the hood I'm not townreading, and the way he was commenting on his role and playing up wanting an all town neighborhood looked like scum fishing to me.

[iHouse]

X-post:
and then I'm going out to enrole for my course.

I loled.

[iHouse]

Ok i'm here. Finished reading too. Just dumping my thoughts.

First, to xombie's and someone else who i can't remember thing about neighborhoods. Yes plural. This isn't a new mechanic is it? Been done before. Don't think so. Yes they (plural) help me.

MS is pretty much almost obvitown. Idk much about him though.

Bitmap Rach Ihouse imp and solar wind are also fairly strong townreads.

xombie i'm reserving judgement on.

Everyone else is almost as lurky as me. Except in a few cases

Read vezok ISO. Strong townread.

I'll iso the other guys in a moment too

How did you find my ISO so town? What made me a strong townread for you by just reading my ISO?

That's a

really

good question.

[iHouse]

Liking mastin for scum.

Not providing reasons for the majority of her reads is pinging me pretty hard.

[iHouse]

Liking mastin for scum. Not providing reasons for the majority of her reads is pinging me pretty hard.

I am a scumhunting god.
I don't

need

reasons.

BS. You didn't hesitate when we were town together.

[iHouse]

mastin2 giving reasons for read when town.

mastin2 as scum not giving reasons for reads.

[iHouse]

VOTE: mastin2

~ House

[iHouse]

iHouse's engage with Metal Sonic gives me light pings. Noting the slot down as a

person of interest

.

I prefer the name John Reese.

[iHouse]

Liking mastin & vezok's reaction to my posts IRT mastin.

Disliking T S O's.

Not interested in a beast lynch, but I could lynch T S O.

VOTE: T S O

[iHouse]

Beast, wheye do you think people are saying you're a mason with TSO?
Eyestott

[iHouse]

Beast, wheye do you think people are saying you're a mason with TSO?
Eyestott

That's a question for the hydra chat, silly.

@beast, ignore that question. There's been enough chatter about that already.

[iHouse]

UNVOTE:

Meh, missed something that I caught on a reread of beast's ISO.

[iHouse]

it's surprising ms can dress himself let alone play mafia

Please tell me you're under some kind of post restriction...

[iHouse]

Farside, why are you voting PV right now? What do you think of Brantz and Solar wind?
eye

[iHouse]

TO clarify, I'm not saying "why are you voting him, I think he is town", I'm just asking why you're voting him over everyone else.
Eye

[iHouse]

Farside, why are you voting PV right now? What do you think of Brantz and Solar wind?
eye

Pv has done nothing that comes across as town here or in the pt

I didn't care for brantz at the start because of gut but so far the push on him feels weak.
I find solar very town. I also find myself going back and forth reading imp.

Which posts come across as particularly scummy?
Are his PT posts so relevant that you wouldn't be voting him if you hadn't seen them? If yes, why aren't your other neighbors voting him? Do they disagree with you?
What kinds of things has he said in the PT?
How much emphasis do you place on your gut? If you think the push on Brantz is weak, do you see the weak reasoning as scum-indicative?
P.edit: I shall get to that.

[iHouse]

To be honest, I'm not sure. I really struggle Day 1 in larges (and in general, actually), because I mainly work with NAA, and role related analysis, and because I generally need to interact with people to start reading them, sort of like a building block.
So, lets interact, Solar. What reads are you two conflicting on, and why?
Eye

[iHouse]

To be honest, I'm not sure. I really struggle Day 1 in larges (and in general, actually), because I mainly work with NAA, and role related analysis, and because I generally need to interact with people to start reading them, sort of like a building block.
So, lets interact, Solar. What reads are you two conflicting on, and why?
Eye

That was a response to post 1001.

[iHouse]

Farside, why are you voting PV right now? What do you think of Brantz and Solar wind?
eye

Pv has done nothing that comes across as town here or in the pt

I didn't care for brantz at the start because of gut but so far the push on him feels weak.
I find solar very town. I also find myself going back and forth reading imp.

Which posts come across as particularly scummy?
Are his PT posts so relevant that you wouldn't be voting him if you hadn't seen them? If yes, why aren't your other neighbors voting him? Do they disagree with you?
What kinds of things has he said in the PT?
How much emphasis do you place on your gut? If you think the push on Brantz is weak, do you see the weak reasoning as scum-indicative?
P.edit: I shall get to that.

Pv didn't post till late game but said hi in the qt and never posted in thread till much later.
Much later
I typically like my gut it is about 65% to 70% accurate. It's usually better with players I don't know well.
Pv has just asked questions in the pt. A lot of what he asked would be found reading the game.
Nothing he brought rings pv town to me.
I don't know what the other 2 think of Pere because neither have said anything about him.

So, would you be voting him just off of his main thread posts?
What is your gut read for this slot? Has your read changed since it became a hydra?
Have you made an attempt to get your neighbours to vote PV? If not, why not?
Eye

[iHouse]

VOTE: Imperium

Why?

Do you really expect anything that resembles intelligence in response to that question?

[iHouse]

like really can you go cry about the fact I got you lynched before somewhere else, no-one in the thread gives a fuck.

Cry moar. The entire game you've been posting absolute bullshit. My post was completely warranted by your posts in this game alone.

[iHouse]

Well, to be fair, I haven't really done anything yet. This game bores me so far.

Does it bore you because you already have the answers?

[iHouse]

I think we have enough of that already in this game. In some cases minus the active. :/

It took a lot of will on my end to get myself involved in this game and I've gotten nothing but shotdown since I've been here.

Please explain how mastin2 shot you down.

[iHouse]

X-Post: Sorry for not being here, Ill be here soon. I've been busy IRL, so I havent had time.
eyestott

[iHouse]

So, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around mafia at the moment, and I don't know why. Maybe I just need to interact with someone, to get my head back in the game. Any volunteers?

[iHouse]

^^^that is eyestott, as is this.

[iHouse]

Sure, fight me.

Why?
Eye

[iHouse]

Why does it feel necessarily town? I can plausibly see scum thinking like that.

Not necessarily town; probably. I think there's much less time investmest required as scum - you can lurk, skim, and fake some analysis, amd you'll get by. Town, on the other hand, are gonna need to reread and reread; scum aren't. It looks to me like he was trying to catch up and didn't have anything to contribute, was struggling to develop reads, and didn't have the time to parse everything carefully. Scum would have just faked some easy posts and kept lurking.

Flawed reasoning on both ends of the spectrum.

According to your logic, I'm scum because I simply can't get interested in the game but don't replace out of games (hence my "easy posts & lurking").

A crap townread would be an easy way to help a scum buddy ease into the game with a town assumption, and I don't like that.

Replacing out is null.

[iHouse]

According to your logic, I'm scum because I simply can't get interested in the game but don't replace out of games (hence my "easy posts & lurking").

No. Just because something's a town-tell doesn't mean the opposite is a scum-tell.

Scum would have just faked some easy posts and kept lurking.

You were saying?

[iHouse]

Why does it feel necessarily town? I can plausibly see scum thinking like that.

Not necessarily town; probably. I think there's much less time investmest required as scum - you can lurk, skim, and fake some analysis, amd you'll get by. Town, on the other hand, are gonna need to reread and reread; scum aren't. It looks to me like he was trying to catch up and didn't have anything to contribute, was struggling to develop reads, and didn't have the time to parse everything carefully. Scum would have just faked some easy posts and kept lurking.

Flawed reasoning on both ends of the spectrum.

According to your logic, I'm scum because I simply can't get interested in the game but don't replace out of games (hence my "easy posts & lurking").

A crap townread would be an easy way to help a scum buddy ease into the game with a town assumption, and I don't like that.

Replacing out is null.

Where is eyestott? Why did you guys decide to hydra?

Am I his keeper? He's around considerably more than I am. How do you not know that?

The reason we decided to hydra is irrelevant to our role.

[iHouse]

I know why you decided to hydra is irrelevant to your role. I guess I was just curious, is all

We played in a game together. He wanted to hydra, and I was intrigued.

[iHouse]

Just because scum do something doesn't mean it's a scum-tell; town might be just as likely to do it too.

Backpedal harder. If I was playing solo I'd already be voting you.

Waiting for input from eye.

[iHouse]

First you say...

Spoiler: FourTrouble gives a townread on terrible grounds

Why does it feel necessarily town? I can plausibly see scum thinking like that.

Not necessarily town; probably. I think there's much less time investmest required as scum - you can lurk, skim, and fake some analysis, amd you'll get by. Town, on the other hand, are gonna need to reread and reread; scum aren't. It looks to me like he was trying to catch up and didn't have anything to contribute, was struggling to develop reads, and didn't have the time to parse everything carefully. Scum would have just faked some easy posts and kept lurking.

To which I respond...

Spoiler: I, House thus push said terrible read

Why does it feel necessarily town? I can plausibly see scum thinking like that.

Not necessarily town; probably. I think there's much less time investmest required as scum - you can lurk, skim, and fake some analysis, amd you'll get by. Town, on the other hand, are gonna need to reread and reread; scum aren't. It looks to me like he was trying to catch up and didn't have anything to contribute, was struggling to develop reads, and didn't have the time to parse everything carefully. Scum would have just faked some easy posts and kept lurking.

Flawed reasoning on both ends of the spectrum.

According to your logic, I'm scum because I simply can't get interested in the game but don't replace out of games (hence my "easy posts & lurking").

A crap townread would be an easy way to help a scum buddy ease into the game with a town assumption, and I don't like that.

Replacing out is null.

At which point you backpedal...

Spoiler: FourTrouble looking caught

According to your logic, I'm scum because I simply can't get interested in the game but don't replace out of games (hence my "easy posts & lurking").

No. Just because something's a town-tell doesn't mean the opposite is a scum-tell.

So I point out your hypocrisy...

Spoiler: I, House being awesome

According to your logic, I'm scum because I simply can't get interested in the game but don't replace out of games (hence my "easy posts & lurking").

No. Just because something's a town-tell doesn't mean the opposite is a scum-tell.

Scum would have just faked some easy posts and kept lurking.

You were saying?

So you complete the backpedal which completely nullifies your initial "point"...

Spoiler: FourTrouble Completes Circle of Logic

Just because scum do something doesn't mean it's a scum-tell; town might be just as likely to do it too.

I'd be thrilled with a FourTrouble lynch at this point.

[iHouse]

Why does it feel necessarily town? I can plausibly see scum thinking like that.

Not necessarily town; probably. I think there's much less time investmest required as scum - you can lurk, skim, and fake some analysis, amd you'll get by. Town, on the other hand, are gonna need to reread and reread; scum aren't. It looks to me like he was trying to catch up and didn't have anything to contribute, was struggling to develop reads, and didn't have the time to parse everything carefully. Scum would have just faked some easy posts and kept lurking.

Flawed reasoning on both ends of the spectrum.

According to your logic, I'm scum because I simply can't get interested in the game but don't replace out of games (hence my "easy posts & lurking").

A crap townread would be an easy way to help a scum buddy ease into the game with a town assumption, and I don't like that.

Replacing out is null.

Where is eyestott? Why did you guys decide to hydra?

So, I'm having trouble reading people. I don't really have any strong reads yet, so I'm letting House be the main head.
Yeah, Ill probably reread the thread. However, I don't really have time right now, between playing quite a few games and modding one myself.
eye

[iHouse]

Alrighty then.

The verdict is in. The other head nodded yes.

VOTE: FourTrouble

[iHouse]

I could be down for this, but I think I a sticking with ace for now, like house as town though.

Over 5 posts and a multi-neighborhood claim?

Please tell me there's more to it.

[iHouse]

FourTrouble (2): The Mask, Ooba, iHouse

wat.

[iHouse]

Solarwind/Imperium dust up could be scum distancing to justify not interacting.

I don't see these players going to such measures as town. Granted, I don't know their playstyle that much so that's kinda weak, but they're both experienced veterans and know better than to be so blatantly hostile to this extent... I think.

Would somebody that knows them better chime in on this?

[iHouse]

Was there something specific you wanted?

Not really, I just think you'd be easier to deal with at present because you aren't throwing a fit and S&S has taught me not to even try reading F-16.

You're nobody to criticize others for being difficult to deal with when you make walls the size of the Empire State Building.

I don't even bother responding to those posts because I don't feel like breaking out a jackhammer to break it down.

[iHouse]

Yeah, catchup posts are so hard to deal with. Totally similar to completely flipping a shit.

I spoiled them so you don't have to read them if you don't want to.

I don't mind reading them. I was just telling you why I'm not bothering with responding to them.

[iHouse]

Okay. Reasonably confident you are scum here.

Step back and reset. This isn't shit you should be drawing reads from.

[iHouse]

Xpost: My 15 year old dog just had some convulsions, and will likely need to be put down. Please understand if my activity is low for a while.
Eyestott

[iHouse]

If I see one more drama-tastic post I'm tunneling the asshole that makes it because this shit has gone way too far and needs to stop.

Now.

[iHouse]

In our hood he really wants all of us to be town and then decides we are all town.

vezok did the same thing in our hood.

[iHouse]

Well fuck, now I'm bored.

Here's some homework then... reread my ISO with an assumption of iHouse!Town w/ a history of being tardtunneled by TSO.

[iHouse]

I don't think your aggravation with him has anything to do with your alignment.

What does? Because I'm not understanding your scum read on me.

[iHouse]

That's a pretty town catch-up, to be fair to Cephrir.

I agree, and it annoys me that I am agreeing with you and townreading someone that is scumreading me.

[iHouse]

Chill on the personal attacks T S O.

[iHouse]

I don't think you understand what the phrase "personal attacks" means - I have made personal attacks before and my posts here were nothing like those.
Let me put this succinctly:

I didn't lynch you with one vote. The town lynched you with theirs. So you were scummy to multiple players. Therefore, be more town next time instead of acting scummy, being bitter and making stupid comments to and about me. That should work nicely.

Town didn't lynch me, brainiac. You tunneled me.

[iHouse]

I'm going to at least try to read what's happened, but in reality, it's gonna be a very rough skim.

Anyone want give me a summery?

You're scum again.

Congrats!

[iHouse]

TSO - When you're done flirting with iHouse, can you please answer why you're voting for us? I'm trying to nail down your alignment. kthnxbai!

Stop trying to steal him away from me!

[iHouse]

21. iHouse (House and Eyestott)

House

- on his own, I had House as middling town. The hydra is a less clear-to-me read, plus I kinda have this "why" thing going on regarding him switching to a hydra, specifically a hydra with eyestott.

In a previous game, eyestott suggested we hydra, and it sounded interesting, so I agreed to it.

eyestott wanted in on this game, but didn't /in in time.

No great mystery.

[iHouse]

Although that response looks pretty town too, so!

I agree.

[iHouse]

My townread on Mask isn't as strong because it seems like he's really purposefully striding out to be a dick ahead of the pack and it's rather forced - normally I townread abrasiveness if it's organic but his isn't really.

Interesting.

What's your read of me, again?

[iHouse]

Sadly, my role does not include a double-vote. (Guess who?)

stahp.

[iHouse]

Can someone TL;DR> an ace case, please?

[iHouse]

OK, I've read through page 28 now and here's what I think so far:
Town: Bitmap, farside, Imperium
Leaning Town: MetalSonic, SolarWind
Null: House
Leaning Scum: beastcharizard , RachMarie, TiphaineDeath

These are the players that have made an impression through page 28. Back to reading now.

You list me among the players that have made an impression, but read me as null?

wut?

[iHouse]

It can be taken either way. I get out of work early tomorrow and it is a Friday so I don't have to worry about how late I am up.

Beast, so where are you? It's Saturday night and you haven't posted since this post. Right now I don't see much content from you. Are you scum trying to skate by?

TBH I'm more likely to vote there than ace. IDK where eyestott stands though.

~House

[iHouse]

Eh, nix that. I don't want to vote beast until D2 at the earliest.

[iHouse]

Votecount 15: Accurate votecounts are hard.

Theaceofspades (8): AngryPidgeon, Farside22, vezokpiraka, mastin2, xombie, PeregrineV, Cephrir, Rachmarie
FourTrouble (1): The Mask, iHouse
vezokpiraka (1): Skybird
TiphaineDeath (1): FourTrouble
AngryPidgeon (1): theaceofspades
Rachmarie (1): Ooba
Cephrir (1): TiphaineDeath
iHouse (0): beastcharizard

Not voting: ZZZX, Solar Wind, VysePresident, imperium, TSO, Ankamius, Aeronaut


Reminder that it's 12 to lynch and not 13.

Deadline 6 days and 8 hours!

I'm intrigued that Skybird was concerned about the error with the votes on theaceofspades, but completely spaced the other anomaly in the votecount.

It makes me think that she might already know about why that particular anomaly exists and thus didn't need to ask about it.

Which, if true, would result in two scum reads for me.

[iHouse]

Why are you saying it was skybird that noticed the mistake with the votecount when it was rachmarie that asked about it?

Also, what other anomaly is there?

I'm so derp.

You seriously don't see it? o.O

Nevermind, I guess.

[iHouse]

Eh, nix that. I don't want to vote beast until D2 at the earliest.

Can you say why that is?

Neighborhood stuff. If beast decides to share out here, that's on him.

[iHouse]

No, I don't keep track of votes or even look at the vote counts regularly, so it's not something I'd notice.

It's not exactly something you'd have to keep track of, but whatevs.

[iHouse]

I feel like the aceofspades is one of those players who gives off scummytells but is not actually scum.

I think he gives off scummy tells and is actually scum.

If ace flips scum Imperium's defense of him in that post might be worth keeping in mind.

[iHouse]

Saving Mastin for later she has a lot of content and she is one of those who I struggle with pegging especially early on.

Let me save you some time.

mastin2 is town.

Job done, move along.

[iHouse]

So...

I'm suspecting beastcharizard is a vote nullifier. His vote doesn't count against me, which is a negative attribute, but in return it prevents my vote from counting against anyone else.

I can see both town & scum utility for this role, and he's been pushing it as an obvious town role in the neighborhood.

He also said he can get multivote, that the number of votes he gets changes. If he doesn't have a different # of votes tomorrow, he lied and deserves to be lynched.

[iHouse]

Because I compliment his votelessness for town's sake by lowering the threshold and putting us back on square one....that seems more tow sided for him than scum losing a vote to null-vote someone.

The only thing keeping me from scumreading beast is his claim, tbh.

The reason I brought it out here instead of leaving it up to him is because I can't figure out whether it's a town-sided or scum-sided role & figured more brains on it might figure it out easier.

If I was town-reading beast, I wouldn't have spilled the beans on his reveal.

[iHouse]

If his vote # actually does change (say, from 0 to 2, for example), he might be a vote mirror... granting the person he votes the # of votes he currently has.

IDK if that's how it works, obviously, but it'd be an interesting mechanic if so.

[iHouse]

Man, people, and scum especially get in to the most wifomy bullshit on this site and then say that you can't say what's wrong or right because scum could be pulling all sorts of random shit but you know what is almost always true? Occham, Occham is almost always true. If people do things that on a basic level don't make sense from point of view X, they usually don't have point of view X. There are times when that is untrue, but they are few and far between.

I recently won a game as scum because town leaned on Occam's Razor, so I'd rather not take the lazy route.

[iHouse]

If I was town-reading beast, I wouldn't have spilled the beans on his reveal.

*cough*

[iHouse]

Right, so your reads are the be all end all.

They are to me.

[iHouse]

Here are the post I have in regards to why ace is scum.
started here
what I noted about his play
issues summorized

I agree with your description of Ace's play but it feels more like you describing sub-optimal town play than scum play.

House - why did you note my defense of ace as a possible partnership tell, but skip over this?

Because I have the attention span of a... what was I saying again?

[iHouse]

Eh, nix that. I don't want to vote beast until D2 at the earliest.

Can you say why that is?

Neighborhood stuff. If beast decides to share out here, that's on him.

So...

I'm suspecting beastcharizard is a vote nullifier. His vote doesn't count against me, which is a negative attribute, but in return it prevents my vote from counting against anyone else.

I can see both town & scum utility for this role, and he's been pushing it as an obvious town role in the neighborhood.

He also said he can get multivote, that the number of votes he gets changes. If he doesn't have a different # of votes tomorrow, he lied and deserves to be lynched.

iHouse: What happened between those two posts that made you reveal my info?

I saw two votes on a wagon I was on with only one being counted.

[iHouse]

Oh great! That can just be the cherry on top of this shitty day.

FWIW, I am not seeing scum in your posts.

Big comfort, amirite?

[iHouse]

Just because someone looks superficially townie doesn't mean they are.

I'm in the middle of several things right now and falcon will probably be able to explain it better than I can at the moment anyway.

That's a terribad post unless you have some decent information to back it up.

[iHouse]

Sadly, my role does not include a double-vote. (Guess who?)

Sadly, my role does not include a double-vote. (Guess who?)

stahp.

Sadly, my role does not include a double-vote. (Guess who?)

stahp.

Well if my scumhunting god abilities included a double-vote, you'd have seen it by now, no?

This kinda jumps out at me in retrospect.

It looks like Mastin is calling attention to the vc and house doesn't like it here.

iHouse, the vote anomaly had already been in the vc's for a while at that point, so your post 1713 doesn't fit the chronology.

My stahp had nothing to do with the vote count. mastin2 has been dropping cryptic crumbs forever and an age, and it got old.