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Ohai.
We're a strange sort of tracker/follower miller. We have an additional power that we can forfeit to stop being a miller.
Naraku is confirmed to be in the game by our role PM and he seems to be a modified ninja at the very least.
The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.
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In post 128, Katsuki wrote:
what a coincidence so am I!In post 21, Majiffy wrote:I am potentially a negative-utility town role. I would rather not expound any further on it at the moment because I'm not entirely certain as to the nuances outside of my control.
Carry on.
Point of the first bit is that someone might "track us to a kill" that we had nothing to do with if I don't say it straight-out. I figured we weren't alone in this respect for flavor reasons, so I wanted it out there for that too. The above quote made me think that we had this in common, but your reaction to our post doesn't agree with that.In post 142, Katsuki wrote:
what was the point of this postIn post 111, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:Ohai.
We're a strange sort of tracker/follower miller. We have an additional power that we can forfeit to stop being a miller.
Naraku is confirmed to be in the game by our role PM and he seems to be a modified ninja at the very least.
The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.
VOTE: shos
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We agree that shos is scum, but why do you think that? And why venmar?In post 126, BulbaFenix wrote:...
Vote Shos
Other scumreads are MDT, Beast, and Venmar. I think at least one of AD/Mhork is likely scum. I also think there is at least 1 scum on the Abomination wagon.
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this is why I don't bother ego-posting.In post 170, Kagami wrote:Sesshomaru can easily go either way as alignment, and I think someone correctly pointed out that 3rd party, or even a sesshomaru & friends faction makes sense. He's not exactly a good guy.
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AD, why does our role/post indicate multiple factions?In post 121, ActionDan wrote:Spoiler: us
Spoiler: mhork
Lols.
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I can see that, though I would think it a little odd for an entire faction to have a non-standard kill type. It's also possible the hedgy-ness is to include PGO kills or the like (in fact, if there's a PGO in the game, that would make a huge amount of sense, though someone surely would have claimed it).In post 199, ActionDan wrote:
FTR, it's this that implies another killing method that isn't a night kill or vig that suggests another faction uses it.In post 191, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.-
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On a serious note, where's your vote?
You really find a PL better than someone you think is scum?
IdgiIn post 177, T S O wrote:Marry: beastcharizard
Disclaimer: Donnel x Maribelle is a terrible marriage which wastes Donnel and makes Brady useless. Donnel x Kjelle, Henry/Lon'qu x Maribelle. gg.
Is this an inside joke?
In post 196, Rhaego wrote:So will you use it?
So much actual game to talk about yet you keep doing this.In post 227, shos wrote:guys abom has too little votes.
Explain this, please.In post 229, Always wrote:AD's basically conftown,
I like this quote x1000In post 286, Lord Mhork wrote:This is just faulty logic. I haven't actually seen the hydra be anti town yet. In contrast it helped exit RVS really quickly. Controversy is protown.
This one, too.In post 287, Lord Mhork wrote:Faulty logic is faulty. Let's be real: all hydra's have dissonance. By that logic, all y'all should be voted out.
Damn, you're reasonable! You sure Mafia is the game for you?
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Nevermind this is fucking Fire Emblem okay I get it!
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meIn post 367, Kagami wrote:
ok, so I have a new theory about shos, but it still means we should run him up.In post 366, shos wrote:alright welel I'll get this later-
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:<In post 434, Kagami wrote:I still want the shos lynch. I don't feel whatever subtle thing mastin feels.
It's hard to imagine any intent behind shos's initial post other than to out the actual possessor of the sesshomaru flavor, which is likely a strong PR. No inuyasha fan would include sesshomaru in the game without him being an awesome role.
Nobody's touching on what I really disliked about 90. It's 100% obvious that flavor and alignment are related from our win condition alone. Though maybe it's more obvious to us because of the naraku thing, I don't think it's any coincidence that absolutely no one, out of 28 players, expressed a similar sentiment.
My theory is that the connection really wasn't clear to shos, because he is not town and is also not part of the scumgroup that includes naraku. Since it couldn't be sesshomaru and pals, the second scumgroup has to be something funky like koga et al or some other miscellaneous group of demons. To them, it might not be at all apparent that alignment and flavor are related, since they would be scum without a terribly scummy flavor.
Alternatively, it could have been a really clumsy and unnecessary crumb, but there's no harm in wagoning that either.
@mastin, I get that you like to include ridiculous reads in your lists, but sakura hadn't even confirmed her PM according to the OP.
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Why do you include sakura on this list and not the goat?In post 423, Nero Cain wrote:3. shos
6. Katsuki
7. Sakura Hana
16. Majiffy
20. Clyton
21. Abomination (Who, Axxle, Haylen, MTD, T-Bone, ika, & BipolarChemist)
26. xofelf
28. Klick
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I take it my alternative theory is correct or nearly so?In post 468, shos wrote:I don't get it.
If I am lynched for 'claiming sesshumaru' I am gonna lol at you all with .y finger pointed at your nose
You will never lynch me if I claim. Lets halt at that. So if you guys are willing to, grab some more votes and Ill xlaim so we dont waste time
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I hate how the first statement is hilariously Mastintown and the second is hilariously Mastinscum.In post 307, Always wrote:
Have youIn post 300, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:
Explain this, please.In post 229, Always wrote:AD's basically conftown,seenhis posting?
He couldn't get closer to conftown than he is.
Same way I have a scumread on the Birds before they've posted:In post 302, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:Hold hold hold it. Always, how do you have a townread on Egg before they posted?
I'm MASTIN.
It's what I do.
Stop that.
Exactly!In post 357, Egg wrote:The policy lynch is soooooo dumb. The slot is gonna be vidged anyway.
Avatar (con)fusion = town?In post 383, Iecerint wrote:Town
I'm starting to dislike you.
Explain?In post 472, Egg wrote:I don't like Iec's 417.
Uhm.In post 480, Young and Beautiful wrote:Okay, Rhaego and you are not working in tandem. You didn't deny that you're scum though, so thanks for letting us know that Rhaego isn't on your team.
I can read you like a book, sir TheSexiOne.
I'm finding it difficult to take you seriously.
Can someone tell me if paling around and making jokes is indicative of alignment for Egg? I'm too lazy to read old games right now.
I don't quite follow.In post 493, Lord Mhork wrote:I like Mist for town after asking if the RVS was still RVS in her catchup post.
Disagreement.In post 503, Lord Mhork wrote:^really town
There's also the possibility you're failing to recognize - the scum in question are reluctant to extend a helping hand to their failing scumpartner.In post 523, Always wrote: One of the defining traits of a multiball game is that a town player getting wagoned gets wagoned more easily, since both scumteams can be scumhunting and think that player scum.
And equally as defining a trait is that a scum player getting wagoned is much more difficult to wagon, since one team is going to try and keep their scumbuddy alive at all costs.
I mean, consider the current state of the game at the moment. Like mentioned, the game feels relatively RVSy and easy-going still. Now, how would it look if a scumpartner tried to defend shos at this stage of the game, even subtly?
Also worth mentioning is that this is a fucking HUGE game and despite having something like eight votes shos is far from in danger of being lynched and not in need of saving in the slightest bit.
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This is the only reason I'm not unvoted, I pretty much just want him to pop it at this point.In post 660, ProHawk wrote:In post 468, shos wrote:You will never lynch me if I claim. Lets halt at that.
I don't think anyone commented on these. We need to challenge this soft-claim.In post 478, shos wrote: I won't get lynched or killed actually. it's just useless lol. I won't even need to claim -_-; but seriously, why am I being voted.? anyone at all..?-
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.In post 669, Kagami wrote:I interpret his play as belonging to a specific character-PR combo, and I see no real harm in confirming that.-
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Hi, Nat.In post 683, geists wrote:Someone talk me through where I should be looking.
Because I'm looking at Rhaego.
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Agreed that the sesshomaru part is kind of bad-ish, though it is a very strange and stupid thing to do. My vote on shos was for his awkward opinion that "flavor and alignment are unrelated" in 90, which only makes sense to me if he's either a really scummy flavor that's town aligned or a town-ish flavor that's scum aligned. Usually the former is accompanied by a flavor claim. We know one group of scum includes naraku (probably naraku and his incarnations), but it's hard to come up with another group of characters who are obviously scummy, suggesting the latter is reasonably likely.In post 793, Svenskt Stål wrote:...
The "sesshumaru fishing" case is bad.
I can follow his train of thought and his increased frustration in this matter, I would say, based on this alone, that he is more likely to be town.
If there is another case against him speak now or forever hold your peace.
Anyway, shos's confidence that his claim makes him unlynchable suggests that it probably does. My best theory at this point is that he's kagome and is an IC, which basically fits witheverythinghe's said/done so far, so I kind of just want him to pop it if that's right so we can move on.-
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But...I thought we were playing mafia? D:In post 800, Svenskt Stål wrote: You need a big tall glas of"Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."
Why are they "super" scummy, again?In post 801, beastcharizard wrote:Can we get some more votes on rhaego please? They are super scummy.
No regurgitating Nat's reasons, either.
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I think NC v. AngryIcerink is Town v Town.
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Ok, so flavor gaming for a second. Firstly, inuyasha is not a flavor IC. Frozen and Tales of Vesperia mafia featured the primary protagonist as a scum fake-claim (and that's just off the top of my head, it actually seems quite common for mods to leave out an extremely main-ish character(s) for fake-claims).
Next, inuyashacouldbe a weak role. In xenosaga, kos-mos and shion were both vanilla. This is probably not such a game, though.
Thirdly, it's not the case that there "aren't enough good characters." We're town aligned and are not really a good guy/girl. There aremanycharacters who are "nicer" than our flavor, so there's really no shortage of town related flavors.
In any case, shos play really reminds me of myself in xenosaga. I don't understand what inuyasha could possibly have to do with the undead, other than kikyo, though. Kikyo SK? Post 90 is still weird in that it sets up a flavor-IC claim while arguing that flavor probably doesn't matter, but meh.
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.In post 961, Kagami wrote:
Is there any way you can elaborate on this? There aren't really that many undead in inuyasha.In post 934, shos wrote: Also from examining my role pm i can infer that the other scumteam is undead.-
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There's kikyo, the band of seven, the antagonist of one of the movies, and a couple random one-episode characters.In post 980, ActionDan wrote:google has taught me that there are a lot of undead people in the inuyasha universe-
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I'll have a hard time taking anyone who is voting Rhaego or Abomination midst all the goings-on seriously at this point.
As derp as shos is for assuming Inuyasha-claim is an instant IC, it sounds like he truly believed it himself.
The "scumslip" Majiffy caught isn't one, most like, but I can see how he could have seen it as one.
So, Majiffy and shos for town now? Cool.-
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Mastin is always scum.In post 991, T S O wrote:am I the only one starting to think mastin could be scum?-
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Everything looks so genuinely chaotic and messy, though. His level of complete and udder indignation in the face of his claim being called into question is almost palpable.In post 994, T S O wrote:Yeah, MDT, but do you get the feeling shos wanted this?
I just can't shake the feeling he wanted to be ran up to claim so he could do this.
All I can think of is that Xenosaga mafia debacle I played such a large hand in. It felt much like this.-
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I'm basically saying you sound genuine.In post 996, shos wrote:pedit:
ok MDT you are goint o rephrase that post because my english level ain't oxford enough to understand wtf you're tlaking about.
namely:
udder, indignation, palpable, debacle.
(isn't udder the cow tits?)
Also, utter*
I make the best typos.
Battle Mage and reapercharlie, obv.In post 1003, Egg wrote:Wait. Who is Moogle again?
OP reading is tech.
Any thoughts in particular?In post 1004, geists wrote:I've been thinking about that game also.-
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I don't see much difference, but what does feel off to me is the undead thing. I have a hard time coming up with any ability related to inuyasha that would make sense as interacting with undead, other than something to do with Kikyo. If it were just for kikyo's sake, though, it would refer to her specifically. AD's statement that the band of seven is in the game would explain why "Undead" is a thing, but that just makes it more odd that inuyasha would have something to do with undeadness.In post 1057, geists wrote: Mostly comparing your (kagami's) certainty that your character info would clear you to shos' similar mindset. I feel like your certainty was more clear and more expectant if that makes sense, but I don't know if the slight difference is meaningful.-
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167 episodes, Good luck with that >.>In post 1054, shos wrote:There are only 26 iirc, one can marathon through the entire show within 3 days.-
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AD's role seems to give him similar information about multiple teams. Our role says various things that reflect on what the scumteam may have (and directly states that naraku is in the game).
The demon thing is not scum-indicative, it's town-indicative. Given that flavor clearly matters for alignment, scum have fake flavor claims. If he's scum, he has at least three buddies and at least four fake flavor claims to look at. He would also know that ceph wouldn't screw him over by giving him a demon claim if demon meant scum. Scum shos would know with certainty that demon isn't scum-indicative.
That case on shos is bad. Here's the good case: Shos's play suggests that he wanted a wagon to build on him, as if he had planned from the beginning to pull this whole flavor-IC bit, which casts some doubt on it's authenticity. He also acts as if there's no harm in revealing that his flavor is the main character of the series. Lastly, he infers that scum are undead from his role PM, which apparently is exactly right (according to AD), while I can't think of a great reason why inuyasha's role would mention undead at all.
I don't think that case is strong enough to outweigh shos-town evidence, though.
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In post 1197, T S O wrote:You will also justify your Bulbazak townread, by the way. Then I will rip it to shreds.
Kind of curious about this too. My favorites for scum are xolf, BoP, bulbafenix, and squirrel girl. Nero would be on the list, but I don't really like his wagon constituents outside of shos.
Maybe wake-slot too with the replace. If there's daychat, I can definitely see wake getting in an argument in the scum QT and replacing out. I find it pretty unlikely that he viewed the game as overwhelming or any other conventional replace-out reason. The only other reason for the replace that seems plausible is that players expressed distaste for his playstyle to ceph, and ceph acted on it.
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Bleh. Did youdraw scumagain, Mastin?
You're doing that thing again. That over-the-top arrogance thing. I saw it in Les Mis and I saw it in AoT where scum-you made an appearance both times. Working everyone up into a lather makes everyone hate you - but townread you much the same. I've seen it before, and it never fools me~
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In post 1394, Nero Cain wrote:MDT, why do you think I'm scummy?
Idk why Kagami-chan thought you scummy but it's been reversed since then so meh.
In post 1398, Always wrote:Peh.
I.wish
But noooooooooooooooo.
I just HAD to be anti-scum.
Nobody wants me to be scum more than myself. I had prepared an awesome scumgame, even.
This isn't an awesome scumgame. Antagonize players to get townreads on me? A fucking joke. I've been doing that since 2012. I could do what I've done this game since...actually, fuck 2012. I could do that in 2011. No, fuck that. I could do that in 2009. (Admittedly, it took until 2011 to dowell...) I specifically have been gloating I could do better. But no. Not this game.
Anti scum.
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In post 1588, fferyllt wrote:Town
Squirrel Girl
AngryIcerink
Majiffy
Always
Abomination - but they are kinda skating on what burning earth put into the thread imo.
Venmar
HighShroomish
Kinda Town
Lord Mhork
shos
T S O
Birds of Prey
ActionDan - was higher, read is going stale.
Moogle Dance Troupe
Svenskt Stål - probably should move him up but I'm annoyed.
Nero Cain
neil1113 - because I'm tired of mastin's condescension
Egg - probably belongs in the next higher group but I don't want to think about it right now.
Maybe Town
beastcharizard - maybe belongs in not so town.
BBmolla - being pretty useless now after some town-looking early posts
xofelf - grudgingly here
Not So Town
BulbaFenix - becoming pretty concerned that they've had so little impact on the game state.
Lemniscate - previous slot-holders didn't impress, and more data needed
Young and Beautiful
Mist7676 - scummy posts punctuate a lot of lurking
Stale Reads
ProHawk - was pretty town before fading
Katsuki - was kinda town and sliding downward. Assuming he'll be replaced.
More Data Needed
The Goat - mostly like him so far but fuck if I'll call him town yet when he ignored the game so long.
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In post 1642, Nero Cain wrote:In post 1120, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:If he's scum, he has at least three buddies and at least four fake flavor claims to look at
Can you explain this for me.
Multiball would be 18-5-5, 20-4-4, or 19-4-5. Flavor fake-claims are almost certainly a thing.
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Ok, so as useless as Y&B are, I think they're actually right about two of their scumreads, probably by chance. I'm about 95% on both BoP and xof for scum (which is about as high as I go).
Xof's reaction to her wagon was not a town reaction, it's the reaction of scum who has a lot of partners (I'm also 95% that this is 20-7-1). She wasn't afraid of a mislynch, nor aggressive toward her attackers, because she knows they're all town. Her reaction to being wagoned in part for lurking is to lurk it off, which is of course going to be successful, because there's conveniently a player whomnobodyis townreading and who is also being deliberately obnoxious. Conveniently, that wagon starts up nicely and goes full blast with no resistance.
And thisBoP wrote:We got one week to get the rest of the votes needed.
is a request for sheeps from the town, because the wagon is already laden with scum, and at least one of those "almost deadline" votes is going to be "terrible" tomorrow.
Bulb is still also scum; wake-slot is probably scum if he wasn't WoTC'ed. One of the other votes on the Y&B wagon is scum, and it's not geists, shos, TSO, or mhork.
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In post 1784, Kagami wrote:xof or BoP. Why do you have BoP as a townread?-
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It's not even your behavior that makes you scum, and since apparently your into observing reactions rather than enciting them (I'm the same way!), this should be evident.
Nobody, nobody at all, has townread Y&B this game, and for good reason. They are clearly being deliberately useless; they decided to sign up as an anonymous hydra and see if they could get by blowing kisses and acting cutesy.
Unfortunately, they're probably town for roughly the same reason that you're probably scum. The circumstances of the wagons surrounding your slots coupled with the very high probability of a seven-man scumteam make Y&B the scum designated mislynch. Even the timing of it is awful, and plays directly into the "only a week left!" rubbish.
The constituency of the wagon is awful. Of the 11 names there, only geists, TSO, shos, and mhork are townreads. Does anyone seriously believe this is a town-driven wagon? I considered the possibility that this is all a big bus on a liability, but even that seems unlikely, because it's a hard-counterwagon to xolf, which makes little sense regardless of her alignment.
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Flandre wagon was super town. Ceph got on early, because it was in part a counterwagon to his own, but after that only the hammer was scum. The driving force was all town. Yes, I was on the wrong side of it, if that's what you mean to point out.
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In post 1834, Young and Beautiful wrote:...
Oh and sorry Y if I'm claiming prematurely. We're L-4 and a ton of scum is on our wagon.
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I still want BoP to answer this.-
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Will post more thoughts tomorrow when I have some time at work, but I'm still alive.
I was kind of hoping to bounce things off kaze, but he appears to be out for the rest of the game for personal reasons, so all moogle posts are kagami henceforth.
I'd love to see a BoP lynch, xof is next best and currently most viable scum-lynch, lemniscate third. Shos is town.
The Y&B wagon is disbanding in an unnaturally slow way that makes me think that players who were on it don't have a good wagon to jump to.-
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That's actually more reinforcing a belief I have based on AD's earlier post.
Ceph likes the band of seven enough to have made one of them his avatar for some period. AD says his pm refers to the band of seven. Beast has claimed poisonproof, and poison makes a lot of sense with mukotsu.
Ceph made a game with 28 slots, knowing that it would be difficult to fill and time-consuming to mod, and he made no indication that he would compromise on the game size (which does happen sometimes when games aren't filling as quickly as desired).
My role PM refers directly to Naraku, it doesn't say anything about his incarnations or anything like that being in the game.
All points to 20-7-1, to my mind.-
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Pigeon who seriously wants to hear more, so seriously wrote:In post 1927, Moogle Dance Troupe wrote:The Y&B wagon is disbanding in an unnaturally slow way that makes me think that players who were on it don't have a good wagon to jump to.
Wow this is very interesting, tell me more. No seriously, tell me more. I want to know precisely who on this wagon is scummy for not knowing where to put there vote after the claim. Full claim in your next post please.
I would think this would be pretty easy for you, since you've got them all in your scumlists: {BoP, xof, lemniscate, mist}. They have the option to either jump on shos who is clearly town, or their buddies, or do nothing. They've chosen the latter.-
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In post 2023, AngryIcerink wrote:NS is being intentionally oblivious; would lynch. Efforts to appear town are also half-hearted and tragic, would put him out of his misery.
Even if TSO had claimed scum prior to replacing out, I would not lynch this slot. Ns is town.-
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