Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[NachoKoopa]

VOTE: Natirasha

So I'm doing something different this game.

I am going to confirm that I have a power role in my first post. No, I will not answer what my PR is, just confirming that I have one. Take it or leave it.

^town

Hello. Not invested in this game, so will be experimenting with minimalistic posting.

Mastin, I swear I've heard this from you before, and you were scum in that game. I've made a few passes at your mastin2 topics, but can't find it, but I will.

Vote: Mastin

^town

fyi matias is town.

^town
matias <town

VOTE: Sakura

VOTE: Natirasha

Vote: Mastin

Town.

no
yes
yes
^scum

are you scum lavi?

i'm sorry...yes....

^town

Vote: mastin2

I'm prepared to white knight Sakura.

[NachoKoopa]

He's not being contrarian. There's a reason why we don't push Sakura the minute we get scumreads on her, Matias.

[NachoKoopa]

I've concluded that I can't read a single thing about Mastin. I can only say that it's possible, because he has a history of bussing partners. So...there's that.

Why don't you let me read him, then? I'm pretty good at it!

Nah it's fine Nati, I'm trying to improve in that regard... keyword trying tho. Also I still find it odd how those 2 guys seem to always vote together the same person.

*skimmed most of the posts because LA*

What else are you thinking? What do you think of my reads?

good god here it is again

What's wrong with what I said?

I don't have a townread on him, but he's not someone I would want to wagon at the moment.

Why not?

actually In any random group of 3 people, its pretty likely that 1 of them is scum.

Your math might be a little bit off.

Have we left RVS yet? And by that, I mean are we done squabbling about bullshit regarding the essentially-useless-until-near-LYLO RVS votes and wagons?

Yeah. Why aren't you voting anyone?

If Nacho, </3

<3

You're riding the self-vote thing longer than you usually do. Any reads?

[NachoKoopa]

wayne town

[NachoKoopa]

What else are you thinking? What do you think of my reads?

You're the almighty nacho, so i shall... follow your reads I also agree with you on mastin, and the rest of his posts dont dissapoint in that regard.

What do you think of Nastyrasha?

you were stopping people from pressuring Sakura more, when that situation could give town more information.

I was stating that I was prepared to white knight Sakura; I didn't give a read on her and I didn't criticize the push against her and I probably wasn't entirely serious.

okay no
let's assume 5/21 mafia. then if we get 3 random people, the chance of all of them being town is (16/21) * (15/20) * (14/19) ~ 42.11%, meaning there's more than a 50% chance one out of a random group of 3 people is scum. there's probably even more mafia and maybe an SK so the real chance is even higher. IMO, this just shows you're not even trying and are just throwing things around to look like you're doing something.

What motivation would I have as scum to get my math wrong? It seems like something pretty alignment neutral to me unless you suspect that I'm manipulating people with incorrect math or something.

Ok Nacho, do you think Mastin would really be this minimal as scum? I know that if I were to experiment with something like that I'd make sure to do it with a town game and would just do standard 'look as town as I can' as scum and I suspect Mastin would feel the same way.

Sure. If he gets under too much pressure, he can always break the minimal playstyle and people will probably just call it townish. He gets away with doing less, becomes harder to read for people who are familiar with him... scumvantages are actually pretty awesome by saying he's minimal and doing it. I didn't like that he announced it in the beginning.

Also Sakura is town, I believe his sincerity and genuineness. i doubt its fake.

She's usually more genuine than this.

[NachoKoopa]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
There's a good example. Obviously I'm not expecting that level of genuine, but her not responding to her wagon is a red flag.

[NachoKoopa]

maybe. still not technically seeing mafia sakura at the moment though. there needs to be more from her before I can decide that. She had a lot more posts in the other game than she currently does now.

I agree.

Are you scum reading me nacho?

Nope. Should I be?

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Hey Nacho...Kanye doesn't wanna work with me. Maybe I'm wrong about him. How about you? Can we kill scum together?

Sure. Let's start with mastin!

and so you just said DrD's math was wrong just for the sake of saying something, which is scum intent.

"Pretty likely" is phrasing that makes it seem like it might be worth going after someone because they are in that group of 3. That isn't the case.

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nacho: do you believe mastin to be the type to try out a fresh new approach in a scum game?

Yes. He's also already tried this approach in Pikmin Mafia, so he has a "I already did this in a towngame" card if he needs it.

[NachoKoopa]

Koopa head here. Note this head's V/LA on weekends.

More tomorrow.

[NachoKoopa]

majiffy votes are cool.

[NachoKoopa]

However, Offer: restriction broken, speedlynch me.

I can't say I understand what this means.

Vote: Majiffy

[NachoKoopa]

You're back! What are your thoughts?

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Last post by Mastin is moving him more towards town,

Why is that?

I still have yet to re-read the other 9 pages tho, just in case I missed something while I was V/LA and was skimming.

I look forward to it!

[NachoKoopa]

What have I done that is scummy?

This.

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Oh so "poke him with a stick" is why I have a wagon on me.

Since when has this ever been a bad reason to wagon someone?

Besides, Levi actually looks kinda scummy.

Why?

Also why do you feel like you're playing ScumLurkCho rather than TownAsFuckCho?

Last time I was TownAsFuckCho I was actually scum.
Last time I was ScumLurkCho I was your scumpartner and actually not lurking at all.

Could you explain your reads on DV, pieguy and wayne?

Your quote on wayne looks like you didnt like his reasoning.

I haven't liked your posts so far :/

Why do i feel like Feirei is dragging you down, Nacho?

He's not. I'm sorting people out as we speak and I have a sizeable townblock so far. What do you think of Sakura?

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And your sizeable town bloc seems like the promise of a large cock and I'm not seeing it, nacho.

kanye seems town so far because he's questioning stuff, prodding good players. his townread on natirasha was good and his scumread on sakura is looking better than it should be.

dolittle seems town enough lately. he's been playing differently than I remember him playing, but it's a good kind of different because he's aggressive and taking strong stances.

i liked beli going "oh yeah this is multiball" and then "whoops no it's not" in his next post; seemed genuine and a weird as fuck gambit for scum to pull off.

wayne mostly seems town for his "town going after town" theory, which seemed a lot like him. there might be a couple weird twitches here and there but i'm not too worried yet.

mastin-town is mostly based on us having similar reads and his minimal posting leading to him becoming more involved in the game. i especially liked his reaction to my concern about him switching up style under pressure.

natirasha is sorting people out and doing his normal thing, pr claim, and his interactions with sakura are a+ awesome so don't gotta worry about him.

you're town because of dumb claim and townblock.

piegyun seems town for the push on me.

matias seems town for push on sakura, and i have a gut townread on empking.

no i'm not gonna use brackets

Why are you avoiding commenting on me?

I'm not. You're doing your own thing, I'm doing mine.

So you're saying that because you're actively trying to alter your meta it can no longer be used against you?

No, I said that because that's not how you specifically sort me.

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Well sorry but I can't make you like my posts every single game.

No. But reading your alignment accurately helps me get to reading everyone else's a hell of a lot faster, meaning you should be interested in me sorting you out as town early. You said you were gonna do a reread when you got back; how did that go? I haven't really seen anything from it.

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I haven't really seen anything from it.

What i got from it was that kanye and Matias are townreads for me.

Do you have a townread on Majiffy?

Hey Nacho how am I doing my normal thing this game? I'm deliberately playing like I imagine you would, not how I would(which typically involves a lot more lurking), and it seems weird to me for you to say that. I'm wary of Sakura right now...I'm still trying to figure out how she puzzles into this game.

Natural progression of what I'm expecting your play to become. You've been in a lot of games with ffery and the crew so I was expecting you to break this out eventually. You still have your pr claim and your typical Nat weirdness.

although you can see this as a spiritual vote for Sakura as well.

Good, dont hold back on me just because of how I may react.

No, it's because I legitimately only have one vote and two slots I want to keep pressure on. If you want, I can give you the vote.

I don't think that Sakura needs to be sorted anymore, do you?

[NachoKoopa]

Why you should vote Leviathan
By: AGar

[NachoKoopa]

True, but it works well for Mollie and Ffery.

Mollie sorts me based mainly around the way I behave around her, not whether I'm lurking or not.
Ffery sorts me based on what I see when I see it, if my pushes make sense, etc.

Do we share any scum reads?
(Read as: do you scum read any of my bolded scum reads?)

I lean town on DeasVail; the other bolded scumreads are town as fuck.

"ahahaha he called me out and I totally don't have anything to say ahahahahah this is akward here's a =P"

This is pretty much how Leviathan is bound to react as either alignment.

Okay. yeah.
Wayne's scum

VOTE: Wayne

I'm more okay with this vote than I should be.
Wayne, are you scum?

I don't like 350 much at all actually.

Nacho, please don't leave me all alone on this Majiffy wagon.

I won't unless he's town!

he decides to just randomly choose one of them out of a hat or something.

Not good play but not scummy play and I can't think how this situation is significant unless you think all town would approach that situation in that way.

That is 6 different cases of Levi refusing to handcuff himself to a particular read on a player in either direction. He actually apparently has zero reads 15 pages into this game.

He tends to waffle like crazy and rarely has strong reads. Also not a scumtell.

It's simply smoke in mirrors, making it look like he's doing something but rather doing not a damned thing this game.

Sakura read seems like he's doing something. Majiffy argument sees like he's doing something.
There are people who have done less than that.

Why you should vote Leviathan
By: AGar

Don't you frowny-face me.

Wondering 'bout my DV vote--would appreciate commentary on him and if it's obsolete.

I don't think it's obsolete.
I also don't agree with it right now.

asking for help on reading him feels off.

I've found he sorts me pretty instantly as scum.
This feels more honest.

[NachoKoopa]

syrlicious, it seems like we're dealing with mac-scum.

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As it's the both of us, you need a special new nickname like syrtammilicious or something.

What do you think of kises prod dodgapalooza?

syrlicious and tammtrum
Syr Trum?
tammilicious?

What do you think of kises prod dodgapalooza?

I think it's scummy as fuck, considering activity elsewhere.

You know what bothers me about you going after Mac? Is that you just stated in a scum qt that he was an easy mislynch, so why do you think scum Mac here?

He was an easy mislynch because he usually lurks pretty hard as scum and was lurking at the beginning of Syr's Hard-Boiled. Here I'm going after him because he's lurking pretty hard, promising things, and not delivering. I'm calling Syr in on it because Syr can read him well and him interacting with two of us is better than him interacting with one of us.

Agar's on his way towards a third sadface, and three sads is pretty much equivalent to depression.

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@Nacho ~ Nope. Your reads are just accurate like they were in Xenoblade. Maybe try a mirror to look at them.

What reads are wrong other than the one on you?

kanye seems town so far because he's questioning stuff, prodding good players. his townread on natirasha was good and his scumread on sakura is looking better than it should be.

hello nahco could u pls let me know how u came to the conclusion that i have a townread on naty

matias***

early sakura defenders: is this kinda shjit to be expected from sakura? does it make her more likely town or scum in youer eyes?or is it just null 2

yep it's the kinda shit to be expected from sakura
i lean town on it.

@SyrTrum:

Ok yeah, I don't feel comfortable with this anymore. His play here is really weird compared to previous games, but in a way that's a towntell and I feel like I'm just forcing the scumread at this point.

I liked this a lot. I also like the fact that he's pushing on Majiffy this early, who is almost certainly scum.
Why do you scumread him?

So are we supposed to excuse his scummy-as-fuck null-tell, then?

Yes.

Mollie sorts me based mainly around the way I behave around her, not whether I'm lurking or not.
Ffery sorts me based on what I see when I see it, if my pushes make sense, etc.

Majiffy!

[NachoKoopa]

Specifically, you seem to be reading all these guys town

Empking
DeasVail
Sakura Hana
talah
Pyrotechnics

And that's all but one of my scum reads.

I'm not reading Empking town!
DeasVail/Pyro/Sakura Hana I feel confident won't be able to avoid me for long if I'm wrong about them, but talah seems ridiculously town to me.

he was asking for existence, not proving all of them were wrong. where was he implying you said they were all wrong?

He said my reads were accurate just like they were in Xenoblade, where my reads were famously horrible.

@Nacho: just wondering, where'd you get a scumread on Maji? I couldn't find it anywhere o.o

I have a scumread on Jiffy based on his interactions with me. I'll probably talk about it more when he doesn't satisfy me in his next three responses.

I saw it, cocknogger. What exactly do you want me to say? I've seen both of them vote you for LurkerSackCho, you can't deny that.

Games where I've been scum against mollie/ffery:
Inheritance Mafia (mollie never told me I was scum, she just roleblocked me after pegging my partner)
Bingo! (poor trajectory)
Ninja Council (called scum, no reasons why)
Dixon Hill (ffery didn't read me as scum)

So here I am denying that; prove me wrong. And explain to me why you're sorting me out like mollie/ffery and not like Majiffy.

[NachoKoopa]

...Pyro... I feel confident won't be able to avoid me for long if I'm wrong about them.

Oh! Sort me now. I should be easy for you nacho. Come on.

Guess what my read on you is.

[NachoKoopa]

nononono i told you to guess

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You should let Syr lead posts like that. He can sell it better.

I agree.

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RAWR

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So, did you ask me that question for a purpose. Or are you just going to troll. because I thought we were going to dance or something nacho.

If we dance, it's so you can sort me out. I had your slot as town before you even posted.

And for instance, I don't believe for one little tiny second that you think that syr can actually sell our townieness more than I can, because it's just what I do.

tammtrum
i was referring to you selling caps. they don't look quite as good on you as they do on syr.

I'll ask them to send me links, I don't like digging and you know that.
I've been wrong when they've been right in the past. So I'm trying something new.

Links aren't needed.

If you're not willing to go over my ISO -- especially since your main argument is "lol u don't post enough," meaning it's a short -- that just shows you don't actually care, because you already know my alignment.

Nacho has been slightly avoidance-based in his posts and I'd like to see him respond to Pyro who I think are being proactive.

Where have I been avoiding anything?

I have strong suspicions you might be, unless this is multiball.

Why?

Ok. Lets lynch Pie. He's easily the scummiest fucker in here.

How?

where the hell is kanye. he was posting a lot near the start of the game and now it seems like he disappeared. given a lot of stuff has been going on, for me the change of pace is a scumtell

That's typical kanye.

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Oh so "poke him with a stick" is why I have a wagon on me.

Fucking dolts.

Why the hell are you wagonning Empking now?

Also why do you feel like you're playing ScumLurkCho rather than TownAsFuckCho?

It feels like you stopped sorting me after you asked this question. Why?

whole lotta words, whole lotta nothin'.

Attacking DV for fluffling is like attacking you for being a dick.

Too much "This is what town would say!" and not enough "I'm town and this is what I'm saying!"

This doesn't actually make any sense?

Possible emoticon tell. That would be something for a meta dive and I hate doing that shit.

dumb tell.

Because I'm the worst, most transparent scum player on this site, let me tell you, buddy. I can't possibly make incredibly legitimate cases on anyone as scum and get pretty much anyone lynched ever.

You had a bit of trouble getting Cait Sith lynched if I remember properly. You'll probably have a bit of trouble trying to lynch me.

I'll ask them to send me links, I don't like digging and you know that.
I've been wrong when they've been right in the past. So I'm trying something new.

I don't like this at all, but I don't really know why. I think it's obvious that you're not gonna ask ffery or mollie for links because who would actually do that? I think you just want to stop interacting with me so you can do your scumjiffy thing in peace.

In general, your play has you pushing pretty hard on top suspects with your words but not voting them and pushing them like you actually want them lynched, which is weird to me (Empking vote is a prime example; why are you voting empking over your stronger reads? Because he's easier to get lynched? And why did you call him a town lurker when you had a scumread on him earlier and showed no signs of starting to think he was town?). I feel that you're more aggressively discrediting people who call you scum; usually you ignore people when they are calling you scum for dumbshit reasons because you know that it's no big deal since you're not getting lynched by those people? And meanwhile you're avoiding interacting with me much even though I'm one of your suspects and scumreading you, which is double troublesome. If you're town, be more town so I can get to lynching other people who deserve lynching (which could be empking).

[NachoKoopa]

This Empking wagon is bad and you should feel bad for voting on it.

Why?

[NachoKoopa]

I used to like them when I was younger, but now all of their songs start sounding the same although most are still hilarious.

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Why wouldn't he just call Empking scum?

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And why does a wagon become bad when the leader stops supporting it? Do you think Empking is town?

[NachoKoopa]

waynegg
pieguyn
leviathan93
Pyrotechnics (Tammy+Syryana)
Sakura Hana
talah
Natirasha

Here's my strong town block.

[NachoKoopa]

I don't like working with large townblocks in large games unless there's a lot of people being obvtown for some strange reasoning; I like drifting through the days looking for strong townreads and strong scumreads until I get a good nugget. My nugget for the day seems to be 'jiffy.

[NachoKoopa]

Matias shouldn't be there and the names I added should be.
Otherwise it's pretty good!

[NachoKoopa]

Koopa Post (written by Nacho):

He wants you all to know that he hates wallposts with a fashion but this one is being typed up by me so it's not gonna be so bad for him.

-He doesn't like Kanye, Matias, or Empking's openings. He agrees with Sakura that giving town something to analyze is better than giving them nothing, and kanye's getting votes on us faster seemed like it was promoting a quicklynch.
-Doesn't like mastin's self-imposed post restriction.
-Matias loses townpoints for jump onto Sakura, he likes sakura's push on mastin though.
-Matias, conflicting logic can still be town (is often still town!).
-Post 87 (Nat's endorsement of Sakura) makes him think both are likelier to be town, likes the "I claimed power in my first post, of course I'm up to something".
-Pieguy's #104 was a good response to Sakura.
-Liked Beli's vote on wayne for how it came about.
-Sakura townread strong strong strong.

~K

[NachoKoopa]

Pretty chunky nugget! That's gotta be like 64 grams! Could you ISO Emp though and see if you see what I see with he and the nugget?

I see Emp being weird around Majiffy.
What do you see?

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I want nacho to sort me. We play a lot together. Both of our heads hydra with nacho, in the sorting, I could get a better read on nacho, and if he's not sure about me he needs to be. The sooner we can figure out if the other is town or not, the sooner we can get to bouncing ideas off each other.

You can bounce reads off me before you figure out that I'm town. Majiffy-scum is a beast that's going to need your help to take down.

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I am towning the towniest I can town, you just have your head up your ass.

Brushing me off again. What is your current read of me?

[NachoKoopa]

Ease of wagon without any real condemning case.

Scum bus for absolutely no reason. You know this.

I have higher priorities. You can wait.

And yet here I am telling you to make me a higher priority and you keep brushing me off. Why?

I have alignment-shaded dickery. Mollie is actually starting to pick up on it.

But there's dickery as either alignment, just as levi fluffs as either alignment. You need to be familiar of the player in order to sort out the differences; levi fluffs as either alignment.

Not really. You don't get it, though. I understand.

I have played with levi and I'm telling you it's wrong.

I am towning the towniest I can town, you just have your head up your ass.

I missed where you towned. Point it out for me?

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I am towning the towniest I can town, you just have your head up your ass.

Brushing me off again. What is your current read of me?

He does this all the time!!!!

Not as town.

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Well then..VOTE: arcangel9

Let's get this over with.

Can we not wagon AA9 for no reason and instead just read her? She can be town without being pushed first, you know.

And I'm telling you that you're obviously not understanding what I'm getting at.

What are you getting at, then?

I think Pyro is just as interested in sorting you based on you sorting them, as you are/have been interested in getting a read on Majiffy based on him sorting you. So I don't see why you're resistant to elaborating on your insta-town on them.

I haven't refused to sort them or done anything even close to that; Tammy thought I didn't have a townread on them when I did, so I took extra care to troll her about it. Meanwhile, Majiffy made what seemed like an attempt to sort me and then backed off when I started attacking him, which was weird as hell and still something that I very very very strongly dislike.

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oh yeah, and pv at a cursory kneejerk glance feels town

I agree with this!
I don't agree with that other read you have.

Hopefully, we'll see.

How sure are you on the read of the slot i took?

Could be town!

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Nacho - Talk to me about Jiffy because I'm not seeing it. I'm not well-versed in his scum game, but he doesn't feel anything like he did in Syryana's game.

His interactions with me feel horrible, and I don't think that I've ever sorted him any other way. I don't like how he continually brushes me off this game; we usually play off each other a bit when we are both town. He ascribes the weird interactions to him trying to sort me out in the mollie/ffery way yet called me "lurker ScumCho" (mollie/ffery never sort me out based on "lurking"). I called that out for being bullshit, pointed out that all the times they've successfully sorting me on ms, it's never been because of that. Majiffy said he'd ask for links, but it seems strange he wouldn't have a specific game in mind, and he sure as hell isn't going to ask for links.

I just got done playing with a scum jiffy who was arguing for me being scum when I was a near universal town read.

He didn't make an attempt to mislynch you until you were both in LyLo together, and seemed pretty happy to get the free SD mislynch even though he still pretty clearly thought you were scum.

Theres nothing illogical in that post, and if you think there is its becausd you're bringing your prejudices from later in the game.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Vote: AGar

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are you scum lavi?

i'm sorry...yes....

I really liked this response to kaney.

also. is there a possibility of a mafia tracker?

This seemed like a decent amount of paranoia: subtle, yet clearly there. I'm not sure levi would think to do this as scum, especially since the answer is pretty obvious.

Nati, I see no way in hell how you can be scum with the way you are acting, but at the same time I have never played with you so I don't know what you are capable of. currently reading you as TOO OUTRAGEOUS TO BE SCUM.

I liked this read as well.

@majiffy, like your entrance was any better. =P it took you 4 posts until you actually posted something worthwhile. =P

I can't imagine my model of levi-scum talking shit.

as for emp. I'm kind of nervous to jump on the wagon.

If levi scum, he's scared to jump on the wagon because he'll be blamed for a mislynch.
If levi town, genuine.

No matter how much I wish he was, I really don't think Agar is scum. i know this kind of comes from an appeal to emotion due to his frustration with the game and I know it can all be an act. =P but i still believe it ain't. =P seems too much like him I feel.

This is also something that I believe is less likely to come from levi-scum, feels genuine.

[NachoKoopa]

Well then..VOTE: arcangel9

Let's get this over with.

Can we not wagon AA9 for no reason and instead just read her? She can be town without being pushed first, you know.

.

*twitch*

Attacking arc immediately ruins the read. I tried doing that in a recent mini normal, should have had her pegged immediately, didn't work. She doesn't respond properly if you're not supposed to read her as town.

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Did I ruin the read nacho?

Nope!

Fine ladies..i didn't had a chance to finish my catch but i started it.
My reads will be up later today..once i get into game..i am in game... now hold on!!!!!

nacho if you could make any one lynch happen instantly 2day what would it be

Majiffy.

NACHOKOOPA - It's nice that you realized I asked you about Levi (and the last post you quoted was one I like as well) but I also asked you about Sakura Hana.

I know! I ran out of time yesterday and could only complete one towncase.

I disagree and wonder why you were immediately trying to interfere....when there was a whopping whole one vote on her! I've seen her respond to pressure as town and town tell quite strongly, so I don't understand your motivation for interfering. I thought you were the type who found arguments and debates "interesting" and something you could gauge reads off of quite well. This reads as someone who is trying to get AA on your side.

Pushing someone just to push them is sort of a bullshit way to get a read on someone, and natirasha is a leader this game and thus has the potential to lead pretty quick "pressure wagons", which would mean AA would pull an alignment-neutral freak out and ruin the easy read I know I can get when she gets into the game.

and the way he's reading him here looks weird.

I usually don't clash with Majiffy earlygame.
I also don't understand why "weird" = Nachoscum.

he said that he thought that Mastin might be town from this weird experiment thing, but I don't quite agree. I think that if Mastin decided pregame to experiment with a stilted style, he'd still do it regardless of alignment, so idk we'll see.

The experiment itself wasn't town but the implementation sure as hell was.

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I got 3 people to choose from, so i pick the middle one.

I can't see Sakura coming up with this as scum and then pushing it consistently throughout the game. My experience with Sakura-scum is trying to hide a bit, sometimes following me a little too closely, but Sakura-town gets transfixed with things and goes after them in a consistent way (she'll attack it strongly for a moment, then she'll leave it alone for a while, then she'll come back to it again). She doesn't have that same pattern in scum games at all.

What else are you thinking? What do you think of my reads?

You're the almighty nacho,

so i shall... follow your reads I also agree with you on mastin, and the rest of his posts dont dissapoint in that regard.

I liked this a lot. There's a tiny twinge of something that's off in a good way... it's not sarcasm and it's not exactly talking down to me but it's not entire serious, if that makes sense. Sakura's interaction towards me in scumgames lately is sort of like that; she takes advantage of her meta of sheeping me in order to hide under the radar a bit, but this was just in a tone I wouldn't expect if she was scum.

Let's make it 9 stupid votes then.

Unvote
Vote: Majiffy

L-2

shittalking town tell.

Well sorry but I can't make you like my posts every single game.

Same tone in 153, more pronounced. She's becoming less dependent on my read of her as a player as town, and this is a bit of a natural progression from this. There's a bit of frustration that's reminiscent of Xenoblade, and I liked it a lot. This is where I got a strong townread on her.

although you can see this as a spiritual vote for Sakura as well.

Good, dont hold back on me just because of how I may react.

And then there was this which was even more town! This is where I went "damn Sakura really is improving" because in the past she would see this as an attack from someone who was previously supporting her and it would frustrate her a lot. Here's it's essentially a challenge for people to come out her, to test her new style as town. I don't think she'd be so open as scum to being attacked, especially when she can dodge it a bit with her emotional meta.

Unvote
Vote: talah

You seem too concerned about how you're coming across.

Strong townread for most, this was a push against the grain. I liked it.

I already said multiple times he's super town, but I can't explain why yet.

I think if Sakura Hana had a reason for calling someone town as scum, she'd out it. I can't see her making a townread that she has no way of backing up, and I can't see her holding back on the reasoning as scum for the lulz.

[NachoKoopa]

I usually don't clash with Majiffy earlygame.
I also don't understand why "weird" = Nachoscum.

And to explain this a little bit more, you know exactly how my interactions go when I'm scumreading someone I'm pretty close with. The townreads and the scumreads are usually for weird reasons so hell yeah the interaction is weird. He just feels off to me. I'm having a lot of trouble describing why, but the way he's interacting with me isn't natural and the way he's making his pushes is not the way that he usually does as town at all; there's less conviction/passion in them. Yes, Majiffy can fake conviction as passion as scum, but it's something he consistently has as town and never ever drops, but he falters a bit with it as scum and gets sketchy.

[NachoKoopa]

He's also sooo happy to stop interacting with me. I think that if he got a weird feeling on me earlygame, he'd pursue it; if he didn't want to deal with me D1 like he usually did, then he wouldn't even try. The fact that he started it, picked it up, dropped it feels weird to me. Majiffy-scum says he's not scared to interact with people, just like I say I'm not scared to interact with you as scum. But there's always that bit of hesitation as scum, and I KNOW he knows there's no way in any of dante's 9 circles of hell that he's going to push a mislynch on me day 1 and get away with it, and I think that's why he's backing off.

[NachoKoopa]

What in the...

Well, you see Sakura, Chewbacca is a wookie, but he lives on Endor...

I feel like we lost you a while ago, buddy.

This is a fake dumbtell.

Nope.

I'm Asagi Caldwell. I pilot the M1 Astray. My night action is a 1-shot watcher flavorized as a "flight pack".

Interesting symmetry with talah's power.

Unvote
Vote: Pie

Maj makes good points.

Like what?

#194: "I probably wasn't entirely serious." -- What is this shit?
#600: "It feels like" is more wishy-washy language than I'd expect to see from Nacho; I've never met the other head of this hydra, though. Also, "actually"
#612: "Seems to be"; wishy-washy II: The Revenge

I find it strange that you pick up on one of my more aggressive posts to be wishy-washy.

prod dodge; content in a few hours.

This needs to be nailed down by the end of the day, as does arcangel (who looks like a fantastic vote).

Oh, and all these D1 no pressure claims are baaaaaaaaaddd

Yep.

Multiball confirmed.

Stay strong, town.

This is probably the worst push I've seen in a while.

Occam's Razor wins here.

It does. Occam's razor says that pieguy is a vig that crumbed in his first post and you're still pushing it for absolutely no reason.

Nacho, when you get here can you please say what you think of Majiffy?

My Majiffy opinion is everywhere in my ISO.

If the majority of the town wants to mislynch so be it, but you can do it without my vote.

It's Day 1. You should be trying to push some sort of wagon by now.

[NachoKoopa]

oh and I'm Tolle Koenig, my mobile suit has no abilities. =/

can you please clarify that your role pm explicitly states that you possess a mobile suit with no abilities?

yes, that is correct. I possess a mobile suit with no abilities.

this is weird as fuck

[NachoKoopa]

"I made a ridiculously awkward and hard to spot (read: also hard to pin on him later if he had ever claimed something else late-game) crumb that SCUM MAJIFFY FOUND AND STARTED PUSHING ME ON BECAUSE OMG SCUM please ignore the fact that he would probably just stay quiet and kill me if he really found it and there's no possible way he could just be pushing me as either alignment without seeing said awkward crumb HE MUST HAVE SEEN IT HES SCUM LOL"

This is his argument.

This is the argument of caught scum.

This is the argument of town that is batshit crazy, which pieguy has demonstrated to be for a while. We're not lynching a claimed vig because "lol he's not flailing hard enough"; vigs are a claim that can be taken care of with bullets and shouldn't be lynched d1 because you're afraid of getting vigged.

[NachoKoopa]

For those of you watching at home, pissed-off-forced-to-claim town is indignant and pissed off, not playing hopscotch-inane-possibilities "gotcha!" game trying to make themselves look townier.

Just so you know.

not significant enough to be worth lynching a vig claim
i don't even know how you got this wagon off the ground in the first place.

[NachoKoopa]

Any shots of votes in this group:

Yraelz AGar
PeregrineV
leviathan93
Kise Svenskt Stål
Empking
Majiffy
Mac ArcAngel9
Kalimar

are good votes. Anything else, not so much.

@Kdub - Did you stop looking for a replacement for Matias?

[NachoKoopa]

Vote: Majiffy

[NachoKoopa]

Jiffy-pie-whatever shitfest

Jiffy-pie shitfest reached its climax when Majiffy kept pushing a lynch on him because he wasn't flailing enough. The chances of pie surviving more than three day phases as a claimed vigilante, multiball or not, is slim to none and will require an entire faction to give up their nightkill if he wants to survive that long as scum. As SK he has to survive the rest of the game with giant neon signs pointing towards him dying a gruesome death so there's actually no reason to be voting him right now.

We have three days and plenty of good wagon options as long as we don't lynch pie for absolutely no reason.

[NachoKoopa]

Meanwhile, you're voting a claimed watcher that you should by any reasonable measure be reading as town by now.

Yraelz AGar
PeregrineV
leviathan93
Kise Svenskt Stål
Empking
Majiffy
Mac ArcAngel9
Kalimar

Choose one. We can lynch it together.

[NachoKoopa]

So you think not a single scum is voting me right now, what with 2 competing wagons?

And you think 3 scum piled onto Pie simultaneously, what when there were 3 competing wagons {Majiffy/Pie/AGar}?

Just want to make sure we've got it down on paper here.

No but I think every single name on that list is a better push than what you're doing there.

Yeah I really don't give a fuck what people say, pieguy is still the play.

You don't give a fuck about pieguy being a horrible lynch?

Vote: Kalimar

Come, Majiffy.

[NachoKoopa]

I believe both Majiffy and Pie should die, but Majiffy should die first. and if Majiffy does turn up town THEN Pie should die, because i highly doubt that this is a town on town argument going on. I really don't get that feeling. =/

It is scum on town. but i'm not sure which one is which, but I'm leaning majiffy as scum and pie as town because I believe the vig claim. but both should die to give town answers! VOTE: majiffy

Why do you discount town on town completely? You also have some questions about your gundam that you haven't answered.

I was " Picking my own nose, and sticking my hands in my pockets. Ewww!"

Is this what you did when you waited tables in your college years?

I'd be ok with a Kalimar lynch... I wanna see his answer to my question first, but currently he's hardly posted anything and the posts he's made I can't see any direction in his play. 0.0

I'll be making an impact in this game soon enough.

If you had to pick between Majiffy and Empking dying, which would it be?

Alright, time to throw a spanner in the works of this wagon.
I can pretty much prove I'm town. I'm an x-shot DayVig.

I was contemplating waiting on this because I simply haven't had time to read this game properly. However, I've found mastin's push on me dodgy from the start and I've had a gut bad feeling there all game. I'm usually pretty good at detecting inauthentic pushes.

Avada Kevadra, fire and brimstone, death to all interlopers, etc. etc.

Kill: mastin2

What happened to the choice between Majiffy and Empking?

Scum dayvigs are a thing, and the way Kalimar framed it--as if the shot confirmed him town--seems like a ploy to me. If you wanna go into mod meta, Kdub is one of the best mods on this site and I KNOW he is more than willing to subvert expectations of roles.

Not full scum dayvigs.

For him to be town, he would have to be critically incompetent, and I am not relying on such thoughts.

I'm interested in hearing more from him because the "critical incompetence" would be critical scum incompetence as well. There's also an ArcAngel who has prod dodged two too many times and we've just got five extra days to sort her out. I'm going to use it.

Vote: ArcAngel9

[NachoKoopa]

I'm not wagonning her to read her.

[NachoKoopa]

I'm not wagonning her to read her.

Then why are you wagoning her? Do you already think she's scum? Why?

I think she's scum because she's prod dodging hard and not even making an effort to skim around the posts when she does show up. She's been active elsewhere, it shouldn't have taken this long to get into the game. She's stalling.

I mean, do you?

I don't think that way.

also I'm pretty sure I have. what question haven't I answered about it? the name? i don't have one.

What is your suit's name?

Conspiracy theory obligates me to wonder whether this is indeed multi, where both scum factions have *anytime* kill abilities. The command wasn't dayvig, it was kill, which would support this marginally I suspect. So would x-shot.

This is a hell of a conspiracy theory.

Let me clarify: you are saying that Kalimar is looking pretty town.

Having just killed town.

Townies do the darndest things.

I still don't think Pie is the best lynch for today tho.

ArcAngel!

I EXPECT him to subvert site meta.

When you subvert site meta by giving scum a role like that, you don't fuck them over by putting another role that essentially counterclaims them.

Pie kills Talah.
Pie claims busdriven.
GG.

Then we lynch the living fuck out of him.

[NachoKoopa]

DeasVail, we're not lynching Majiffy anymore.

[NachoKoopa]

DeasVail, we're not lynching Majiffy anymore.

Is he town?

Yep.

I hate these nacho posts. I hate that short reply to everyone approach, he can be scum too.

And yes Nacho, we are beheading Majiffy.

You've played with me for... how long?

[NachoKoopa]

I've been worried about that, but I'm still a bit hung up over him being so scummy earlier, and I could still see his recent posting coming from scum. Is there a reason why I shouldn't be thinking this?

He passed the threshhold of "playing really well if scum" to "can't fake this as scum" a little while ago.

Balance

Multiball

Scum GF, SM, JK

WW RB, JK, X UL

Town

Alien
Priest
Doc
Watcher
Unl N Vig
X D Vig
Saulus
7 VT

But I think we'd be seeing an entirely different game if that were the case...

What was this?

but skim conclusion is if Kalimar lives through today and the night, then he is leashed and only kills by direction.

But not pieguy?

VOTE: nacho
^ for example

This isn't going through, go for your other better option.

Oh god, i had no time and you already built wagon on me
Nacho, why are voting me.. I am not scum..i am very much town...

You've been lurking for an entire day and ignoring the hell out of this game.

there is whole lot of lazy asses and scum are in my wagon... as soon as i get hold on with this game... i ll smack eachone your butts!!!!!!

Post or perish. You've had a very, very, very long time to catchup but this game gets absolutely no love at all.

huh every single one of arc angels posts is a prod dodge or promise of future activity. i went from being really mad @ that wagon (because i assume its a nacho started wagon) to not actually minding it at all.

I like it a lot better when you typo stuff because when you don't it looks like you're getting way way serious

This reasoning is not reasoning.

See this game. AA9's actions here remind me of it. She was town. I'm not saying AA9 could be scum here, but her inactivity is at most null.

Her activity there versus her activity here is STILL different; in the other game, she lurked like hell but at least provided snippets. Here she actually hasn't provided anything that's close to being content.

itd actually make me really happy if u vigged nacho actually.

we can lynch nacho. unfortunately wayne is most likely town, will never be killed and will be used by scum. He's a much better vig target.

I'm assuming/hoping this was a Syryana post.

We also think his push on majiffy is weird. Majiffy is a pretty strong, and annoying, town read for both of us (annoying is me at least!), and the way that Nacho is pushing him is just off.

I've explained my Majiffy read in a lot of places; he felt off to me for a while based on the way that he was behaving towards me and the majority of what he was posting was not anything that would give me a strong townread. This transitioned to me being stuck into herding him from not lynching obvtown power roles which was a major case of deja-vu. I'm now of the opinion that he would be perfectly happy to 1v1 me Day 1 if scum, especially with a bunch of anti-Nacho pockets here and there.

What if we leave Levi and Beli out and put kayne in the pool?

Not a snowball's chance in hell.

Lynch me before Kanye.

At first I was a little weirded out by this, but then I transitioned into a proud father.

[NachoKoopa]

pie can u pls explain your thought process here tyvm

I've lost all my will for this game seeing as I'm most likely going to die N1, so I was just following Nati literally putting no thought into it whatsoever. I didn't actually think about it till later =A= then I realized he almost certainly has to be mafia dayvig

That's dumb.

[NachoKoopa]

Nacho ~ I know the theory of too many TOWNZ=MULTIBALL. What's the theory on too many SCUMZ?

No scum?

pie can u pls explain your thought process here tyvm

I've lost all my will for this game seeing as I'm most likely going to die N1, so I was just following Nati literally putting no thought into it whatsoever. I didn't actually think about it till later =A= then I realized he almost certainly has to be mafia dayvig

That's dumb.

but is it dumb town or dumb scum.

Dumb town. I have trouble picturing a pieguy who plays fantastically earlier in thread as scum, claims, and then starts playing like shit and completely gives up after fakeclaiming.

like, no one is actively trying to solicit votes for either of the leading wagons and thats a little bit troubling 2 me.

Majiffy and wayne's been soliciting crazy hard for their wagon on town.
I don't think the wagon on AA9 needs much cheerleading.

[NachoKoopa]

I want you to thoroughly elaborate on this with quotes

and links.

There's nothing more graceful than quotestripes.

Yes but D1 policy lynches are the worst kind of policy lynches

Hmmm?

If we PL day 1 WITH by my count 6 claims and 1 dead body, I'm going to either cry, fly into a murderous rage, or dive into a pit of hypodermic needles. Seriously, this is just. so. god. damned. stupid. Seriously. DEAR GOD PEOPLE.

It's not a policy lynch for me. I'm guessing Arc is gonna show up in two or so days with a claim and how she's been lurking but that doesn't make her scum and then we can lynch her happily.

btw some1 who knows seed flavor pls can u tell me what you expect the different factions (assume multiball or at the very least a powerful 3rd party element) in this game to be given the rolename claims/fakeclaims that have been presented thus far?

Federation/Orb/Three Ships, ZAFT/PLANT, Blue Cosmos

[NachoKoopa]

Meanwhile, you're voting a claimed watcher that you should by any reasonable measure be reading as town by now.

This is where you started to become very town to me. I liked the push on me here in order to read you as town; I find as scum you usually maintain that you're obvtown from the very beginning, but here you brought that up after you had been continuously pushing on pieguy and inferred that you used the one-shot watcher claim as a an ace in the hole in order to help pie get lynched faster (so you could be considered town and then everyone pushing on you could move on). I don't think you'd go balls-out for the D1 lynch as scum but that's pretty much what you're going for here.

In case you flip town, I'm going to mock you with this in the future.

"We should leave this really scummy player with a kill alive so that he can make anti-town kills before we decide to lynch him like we had every opportunity to do on d1"

This post was good for obvious reasons.

I mean the idea that ScumKali decided to pop in with a huge wagon on him, shoot a townie off his wagon claiming to be aiming for scum and to slow his wagon down, and then return to his same behavior that started the wagon on him in the first place is just about if not more insane than the theory that I saw pie's vig crumb and pushed him to get him lynched instead of just killing him at night.

It's just baffling how retarded this site has gotten with the evil criminal mastermind theories.

This is a lot better than your "choose a random player to white knight and white knight them" reasoning that you usually have as scum.

Actually still have (3) scumreads.

This is weird for you but it's weird in a town way; I can't imagine you as scum in such a large game refusing to expand your lynch pool/hide behind your usually large lynch pools even if you were going for the "tunnel the fuck out of this player and make him die" shtick. I also think that you try to stay as close to your town meta as possible as scum, but this is a strong difference.

Heck you can even use your watch on pieguy so you confirm if anyone attempted anything on him, and if he's NK you caught scum, if you're NK'd... that'd be great actually.

If I use my watch on Pie then he can kill ME and claim he was redirected.

Herp a fucking derp you're not so good at this, are you?

This paranoia comes more from town-Jiffy than scum-Jiffy. Scum-Jiffy's probably gonna be alive tomorrow so there's no reason prepping for the next day when all that's gonna do is fuel the "why are you still alive?" questions three nights down the road.

[NachoKoopa]

I'll be the first to admit that I haven't even read his/her ISO.

You should think about doing it soon. It's a pretty amazing read.

You think it's odd I wouldn't want you vigged?

No. The policy lynch/policy vig combo is not exactly endearing, though.

[NachoKoopa]

But the wagon isn't going anywhere today.

[NachoKoopa]

Vote: pieguyn

I suddenly feel very enlightened.

[NachoKoopa]

Wake seems town.

[NachoKoopa]

I suddenly feel very enlightened.

Do tell!

I'm losing faith that AA will actually flip scum, and I suddenly have ignited faith that there is scum in the case of the disappearing vig claims.

[NachoKoopa]

whats making you lose faith in aa? last i checked shes still ignoring the fuck out of this game and posting elsewhere?

Pieguy is avoiding this game in a way that is decidedly more impressive.

[NachoKoopa]

okay but how does that relate to aa being less likely to flip scum.

AA when scum wasn't completely afraid to post, just extremely reluctant. Completely ignoring her wagon even when it got closest to a lynch seemed to be something that was more likely from her completely disconnected from the game than her scum having trouble faking content.

[NachoKoopa]

okay so lets suppose pie comes in and decides to come clean and offers full cooperation with town. who do we lynch with one day left at that point?

this is an open question to everyone pushing pie aswell.

PL Arcangel is the only real answer.

pretty much

[NachoKoopa]

Nacho, why did pie claim vig so early?

Because he made a mistake, it seems.

the AA9 ISO despite joining it, the major wagon of Day 1, (I think scum feel pretty self-conscious about this kind of thing) is more likely from town, so I'm not really interested in pursuing any kind of wagon there for the time being.

I thought his kanye interactions were a lot more townie, actually.

Pie could also be scum claiming SK for self-preservation at this point, which is even more dangerous as he can choose to exclude any scum from his faction in his list of killables.

I would be extremely happy if we got to control a scumfaction's NK.

If he is SK, chances are he's going to hit more town than scum being guided by an uninformed majority.

this is stupid.

The problem Sakura (what a nice, feminine name) is that if the SK messes up and knocks out a Townie, it's OUR collective faults. If Scum were clever (in which they are) they'll happily allow Town to direct the SK to accidentally kill Town.

If scum have blocking/protective roles, then this is actually a large worry.

Stal is scum due to his claim. His alleged role is a mechanic. That screams doctor in a setup with huge flying robotic machines. Doctor wouldn't claim something that would make their inherent role obvious. Thus, Stal is scum.

I have no idea what you're saying.

Vote: DrD

[NachoKoopa]

I would also be unbelievably happy with an Empking flashwagon.

[NachoKoopa]

Nacho, Stal claimed Korijo Murdoch. Given my lack of knowledge of Gundam, I googled it and came across the wiki. The character is a chief mechanic. That suggests he repairs or heals machines. Repairing machines suggests a doctor. Doctor shouldn't claim something that makes their role obvious. Stal is scum.

Flavor to role isn't always so obvious.

DoLittle, go on. I have a strong scumread on you,

SAYS THE GUY WHO KILLED OBVTOWN MASTIN.
COOL BEANS

this has nothing to do with anything, by the by.

[NachoKoopa]

Yes lets give them a list of people and they can kill the townies on the list, that's a great idea.

We're telling him to kill one person.

[NachoKoopa]

You don't notice the wealth of people going "pie, shoot aa9"?

[NachoKoopa]

So you think AA9 is town because she was a counterwagon to an SK?

[NachoKoopa]

@pie: AA9.

If he's aligned with a scum faction, then we have an

entire faction

making suboptimal kills (like AA9 over pretty much anyone else) when this is a 21 player game with a strong chance of multiball. If he's an SK, then he probably won't go "fuck you" and shoot someone randomly because this is a 21 player game and he's fucked if he goes off the path town tells him to go down.

[NachoKoopa]

Refute the logic, Majiffy.

[NachoKoopa]

You've been right once this game but I have a feeling I've been right quite a few times in my mafia career!

[NachoKoopa]

I also seem to remember a bet from back in the day which had you wearing that I <3 Nacho avatar for a while. I'm pretty fucking sure pieguy is an SK and I do not mind leashing those kills at all.

[NachoKoopa]

To a scum faction, any town is an optimal kill. Any kill that isn't their faction is optimal. Because it brings them closer to parity.

Threats differ based on roles and players. For example, any scumfaction is much happier to kill Nacho the Global Cop than they are TiP the Vanilla townie. If we can force a scumteam to keep threats alive in favor of lesser threats, then that's a pretty awesome bonus for us.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and SK claim IS factional scum, SK claim will claim roleblocked or any other number of reasons why the kill didn't go through.

And meanwhile, the scum is forced to no kill instead of shooting one of those threats.

If we direct the kill onto a factional scum, and the SK claim is SK, either the factional group will defend via roleblock or any other number of ways kills can be stopped, or kill the SK.

This doesn't seem that horrible.

[NachoKoopa]

Not if Nacho the Global Cop is leading lynches on townies and TiP the Vanilla Townie is calling out the whole scum team.

Then the threats are still different and thus "any town is an optimal kill for scum" still doesn't hold.

So? You're letting scum sit around instead of getting rid of them.

We can still lynch the partners pretty easily.

Oh wait, yeah, he could also kill someone else and claim redirected. Which, oh wait, I think I'VE FUCKING SAID THIS ALREADY WHEN HE CLAIMED VIG.

Which is completely fucking stupid and which is something you can *watch* out for, hint hint.

It doesn't help us.

It doesn't help us when scum is killing otherscum for us?

[NachoKoopa]

My point was to refute your argument that there is an objective "optimal kill" that can be argued. There is no such thing, except for kills that directly increase scum's chance to win; reaching parity. Aka any town.

My point was that some kills that help scum's chances to win more than others, and leashing a scumfaction's kill to kills like AA9 are those kills that help their chances less.

Then lets do that, after we kill pie and we have a confirmed flip to inform us.

It's not that big of a deal when he's probably just an SK.

That's most likely not going to happen.

But hey it

would

help if it did.

Nacho, please answer when the scum would be forced to no kill, especially on day 1. That makes NO sense to me.

ehhh that logic's right

[NachoKoopa]

I really, really fucking doubt it.

And this is mostly where we disagree.
I won't cry if pie gets lynched in the end, but I'm OK with the DrD lynch and I think leashed SKs can bring a decent benefit to town if they are done right, and leashing them D1 in a 21 player game is doing it right the best it can be done.

[NachoKoopa]

i wonder why nacho voting DR

vote him with me.

[NachoKoopa]

I don't think AA should be shot anymore.

[NachoKoopa]

and would actually much rather have Empking shot.

[NachoKoopa]

I don't think AA should be shot anymore.

because she showed up at 14 hrs til deadline after lurking past a significant wagon on her and continued to produce no content?

no because that was her town meta showing up to play
no reason to expect her to post content when she's not caught up/will never be caught up.

and would actually much rather have Empking shot.

why empking

Lack of towniness, will probably lurkfuck out of most of the game. Peregrine is looking like a pretty great shot off the DrDolittle wagon yesterday, though.

4) Double lynches are not necessarily pro-town. Site stats show as a whole, MS is lynching less efficient than randomly. So that's two lynches in that same pool. Do the math. It's bad.

This reasoning is shit. If MS lynches less efficient than random, then it's more important that town gets more kills than scum, no?

Yeah, I don't think so.

It's NOT clear. If the Scum kill was blocked, that'd mean we'd have a Town Roleblocker, right? But you don't know that, or do you? How would you know Pie killed AA9?

or a protective role, like most mafia games have.

Oh, and you say you shot AA9, but SKs typically stab their victims. Did anyone else notice this?

That's not typical site meta + we're fighting in giant robots and I do not believe stabbing would kill them.

Town's basically in dire straits, because it's like a new Scum faction has formed to protect the SK. Trying to control the SK hasn't worked so far, and if you fuck up again and wind up with a dead PR, it'll be too little too late. Lynch the SK, slow down the death rate, increase the time Town has to do what it does best, and remove this particular division from Town once and for all.

Why hasn't trying to control the SK worked so far?

THANK YOU. OH MY GOD, A PRESUMED TOWNIE VOTES AGAINST THE SERIAL KILLER. WHAT A FUCKING MIRACLE HERE IN THIS OASIS OF HORRID PLAY.

When Empking is your townchampion, something is going horribly wrong.

Now, on my neighborhood I commented on the flip making me shift towards Nacho and my partner stayed silent for almost all night, and he only replied when I posted my V/LA on the nighborhood why would he avoid talking in the nighborhood, makes me wonder wether he has another QT, like... a scum QT. I'd think a town neighbor would be more likely to share his opinions with their partner in case either is NK'd.

He could also have just been inactive during the night.

I'm suspecting Nacho because of the sudden push on DrD shifting from AA9 yesterday and DrD flipped town, before Nacho pushed him yesterday DrD was suspecting Nacho.

I pushed him because he was a decent lynch and leashing the SK is better than not leashing the SK.

I actually don't find jiffy's lack of a track worrying.

I actually have a

fool-proof

plan to win this game.

1. Ignore majiffy and Wake88.
2. Not lynch pie until we need to.
3. Lynch scum.

This seems pretty fucking amazing, actually!

why would the supposed Serial Killer go out of its way to help Town?

Serial Killer knows that the scum would love if the town lynched it since that's pretty much one free day for scum. If the Serial Killer does something that the town doesn't want the Serial Killer to do, then town will immediately lynch him the next day, meaning the Serial Killer can't act off the town's leash until the day before LyLo. What motive does he have to act out?

while in secret it knowingly picks off first those it knows aren't Mafia.

Not if we give him one person to shoot.

By protecting the Serial Killer, we've already paid with the slots of two Vanilla Townies. ...is it worth another one or two VTs? ...maybe a Power Role? ...what if the two Townies that died had Power Roles? If I can remember, when players die in this game, it is not made known whether or not they had abilities. By keeping the supposed Serial Killer alive, we run the risk of taking out even more Townies, and we might not even know that they had abilities. This... strategy... to keep the SK chained in hopes of striking Scum has already cost us two slots, and with each additional Town slot lost Scum gains a greater foothold on the path to victory.

What we've gained is also the elimination of two suspects, which this line of argument ignores completely.

I am a Town Tracker, but restricted in that I can only use my ability once every other Night. I pilot the LaGOWE, and my character, iirc, is Andrew Waltfeld(?).

How do you feel about the claimed one-shot tracker?

Pie did as asked.

Yes, it's unfortunate AA9 was town. But as for a good vig shot? It still was.

But, to honor her fallen memory, all Pie voters can comb AA9's posts, find her scumreads, and we will go lynch them.

Until then, I only left Levi alone because Sakura asked. But, what' she's asking for now feels so much better.

Vote: Levi

This is a horrible horrible horrible vote.

well, no one pushed. Angel. I thought she was town.

no one pushed her except for the 9 person wagon that ended up on her

If Pie is legitimately an SK, I personally don't like the kill because I thought she was OBVI town. now that I think about it, i'm pretty sure I said that.

but pie killed who we told him to
and that "who" was AA9

[NachoKoopa]

that was my version of a fly by post. i'll be back in the morning.

[NachoKoopa]

Nat is probably scum. Pie might actually be scum with him.

You're buying into that shit too?

[NachoKoopa]

I was referring to the Pie = mafia theory that is floating around.

[NachoKoopa]

And when he ends up being SK, no one will bow down to me for noticing the obvious.

[NachoKoopa]

I'm skimming because this game got really stupid somewhere in the middle. PeregrineV seems more town lately.

[NachoKoopa]

Empking/AGar/Sven is my vig pool.

[NachoKoopa]

Nacho - What do you think about Wake?

Too crazy to be scum.

[NachoKoopa]

Save it, Scum.

My suit ability, Tank Mode, activates every other Night.

I can track people.

Last Night, I tracked Majiffy. My result is that he did nothing.

I pilot the Lagowe.

You will not lynch me, and I will see you lynched, murderous Scum.

If I cannot get enough leverage to lynch the supposed Serial Killer, then I should be the one to control him. I already foresee select suspects disagreeing with it. Let me control him, and I will make sure we have more-than-made-up our minds to use him. We also need to decide when we should lynch him, too.

Serial Killer Target Pool

1) Wake
2) Sven Stal
3)
4)
5)
6)
7)
8)

Nominations

Waynegg: Empking, Pyro, Wayne

*I will fight tooth and claw to see this through, to unify Town, even if it gets me lynched.

[NachoKoopa]

Those were my favorites.

[NachoKoopa]

No. I am saying neither of you will persuade by insulting someone.

Nacho, leash the sk or lynch, pick a side.

I would be voting the SK if I wanted to kill the SK.
And if I don't want to kill the SK, I want to _ _ _ _ _ the SK.

You cut me, Nacho.

What happens if we lynch Empking and he flips Town, and then pieguyn kills another Townie?

Then we fucked up and we should probably lynch better tomorrow.

Vote: Empking

[NachoKoopa]

Vote: Wake88

[NachoKoopa]

Vote: Wake88

Hey you showed up.

My laptop was stolen! I'm not reading the last 40 pages because I'm sure they were dumb.

[NachoKoopa]

So I've heard. Gratz on making it here. You're prob dead tomorrow, btw. Not related to your laptop at all, though.

It's extremely sad that I can only muster up a single salty tear for this scenario.

>DV wasn't in the pool of targets for Pie
>DV flipped presumably factionalscum PR
>Majiffy is arguing that Pie is factonalscum with a rolecop somewhere in his faction
>Explains everything
>Lynch still not happening

Rolecop doesn't explain how they found DeasVail scum.

Actually my current crazy theory is that your shot got redirected onto Deas.
If I were to deny my senses regarding the mental link I'd further postulate that you're on the same scumteam as Deas, probably with kanye.

But my mind does tend to run on with these kinds of strange considerations.

This is incredibly dumb.

[NachoKoopa]

I'm being useless because I don't have the time on my hands that I normally have and am getting swamped by incredibly useless information constantly. So now, I'm ignoring 40 pages and winging it. The concept of a redirector is dumb because pieguy was supposed to shoot AA9, shot AA9. Next, pieguy is supposed to shoot someone in his pool, so then he shoots DeasVail? Why would a redirector redirect him onto DeasVail? If scum, why wouldn't they take out a bigger threat? If town, why wouldn't they claim they redirected him?

The idea of a redirector is a tinfoil hat theory that was brought up D1 by Majiffy because Majiffy mods fucked up games. Most people don't mod games like that, and speculation of things like that should be pretty much eradicated when the evidence of them doesn't show up where it should.

[NachoKoopa]

Talah, you weren't for lynching the SK for the past two days but now that the SK's been hitting scum, it's time to lynch him?

[NachoKoopa]

Because you think he got redirected onto his own team?

[NachoKoopa]

That's a fine argument but if you read the flavour for the Gundam Deas flipped, it has three abilities - the second of which is basically a *description* of a redirector in different terms. The first ability is what Deas flipped.

Flavor doesn't make up for an absence of evidence. Why didn't the scumteam redirect pie N1? Why did they redirect him onto DeasVail?

Secondly if Majiffy's town and already caught pie as faction-scum, why couldn't he be right about Deas as well? More to the point, why did pie vig Deas over Majiffy when pie was banging the Majiffy-scum wagon the entire time?

Majiffy being correct about Deas adds no credence to his pie-groupscum theory, especially when there's evidence to the contrary and that his theory requires an approximate fuckton of logic leaps.

[NachoKoopa]

Damn nacho why are you making me think you're town with these posts! I wanna lynch you for once.

You could have bussed me in Dixon's Hill, you know.

[NachoKoopa]

nacho whos dv scumbuddy pls.

The guy I'm voting seems like a pretty awesome start.

[NachoKoopa]

yah okay bes ides him

AGar, Sven.
Outside of that, I have a fuckton of stale townreads that I'm going to be working on sorting through today.

[NachoKoopa]

If I knew that, I'd be in a fucking scumteam. Speculation doesn't trump speculation. Either is valid, especially when you're saying redirector is stupid and ignoring flavour which implies it.

Did you click the link?

I don't give a shit about flavor in most instances. I care about things like "if a redirector was alive with a claimed SK on D1, how would they act?", which is actually pretty important before you bring speculation about them up.

[NachoKoopa]

That's a fine argument but if you read the flavour for the Gundam Deas flipped, it has three abilities - the second of which is basically a *description* of a redirector in different terms. The first ability is what Deas flipped.

First of all, why are you afraid of the scumteam having similar gundams?

[NachoKoopa]

Scumteam is Blue Cosmos, not Forbidden Gundam Pilots.

[NachoKoopa]

Nope. One of them is the main protagonist in the show and totally a super good guy.

[NachoKoopa]

Why did you shoot DV?

[NachoKoopa]

Town: Nati, talah, Matias, Sakura, Pyro, Levi, Beli
Null-town: kayne, PV, Nacho, DV
Null: DrD, Sven, AA9, mastin
Scum: Majiffy, Empking, Kalimar, waynegg, AGar *
* I seriously doubt AGar x Majiffy is scum vs. scum, so this is impossible unless multiball. not too sure yet on exactly who else it would be in that case (from DrD, Sven, AA9, mastin)

townlean

my best guesses besides the 5 I posted would be any of my null reads: DrD, PV, Sven, DV, Wake. probably Sven, then DV, then DrD as the top 3

suspicion increases on Deas somewhere near the end of D1

Makes sense that suspicion would increase during Deas's absence D2.

[NachoKoopa]

I don't like talk of Majiffy-Deas teams, but that's not because I don't think those two are capable of a day 1 cross bus, but because Majiffy is a townread for me.

[NachoKoopa]

Then the whatever-titled equivalent of knowing which alignment a player has. Christ, nitpick more.
Why are you arguing inane details instead of the actual point?

Alignment cop seems like a stupid ability for a scumteam to have, and there seems to be much better ways to use it than "have scum claim vig, investigate people and shoot guilty results".

>Pie's faction has an informative role to find the other scum faction
>approximate fuckton of logic leaps

Pie is group scum requires mafia D1 claiming night vig, controlling their faction's kill, and their faction not only being fully willing to give up their kill, but also willing to look for otherscum and burn the towncred they could get from lynching otherscum via dayplay and instead having their claimed scum member shoot them. It also requires Rau La Flaga to be a one faction scum that has a mental link with complete opposite townie, and it requires Rau La Flaga, that guy who isn't affiliated with anyone, to be factional scum.

[NachoKoopa]

probably just gonna emoticon prod dodge until wake gets lynched

[NachoKoopa]

If Talah and Levi vote for the SK, our wagons would be equal. Then we would need two more, and we can finally end this controversy and lost Townies over the confirmed Scum.

A reduction of the rhetoric would be amazing ty.

Pie: You are an enemy, whit whom I have a truce at the moment, you must have a plan to screw town over. I don't trust you.

what's his plan, do you think?

[NachoKoopa]

you stubborn bastards

[NachoKoopa]

[NachoKoopa]

Aww, Majiffy. You think I'm reading your meta wrong. You think I read meta like others. I don't. I read your personality and meta that. Your personality says you'd unleash something this jacked up on town in a heartbeat and direct all the other little scummier to play their part so perfectly. Yeah, that's your meta. All your scum games, hell, all your GAMES, are different. A classic meta guru would never clue in.

My personality is the same as either alignment, so gg on that I guess.

I didn't agree to any deal that didn't involve lynching pie immediately on d1 like we should have on d1.

GET THE HINT?

So your saying day1 lynch Pie.
Night1 you die (because they don't have to shoot Pie, and you are megascumhunterman)
Day2 we lynch EmpKing
Night2 DV doesn't die, but some town player does.
Day3 we are where we are now but have 4 dead town, one dead SK, and no dead mafia.

Whereas now we have 4 dead town, a dead mafia, and an SK on the hook.

The 2nd one is better, because you are alive in it.

Except Day 2 you lynch DV because you obviously can't read

So you now have 2 dead town, 2 dead scum.

Whereas now we have 4 dead town, 1 dead scum, and a scum that no one wants to lynch because

And btw if Pie is the SK I don't believe in a second scumteam.

I agree with this. Also the argument about Pyro is irrelevant. We flip Pie based on him being

claimed scum

, amongst a number of other factors I've already enumerated. We can move onto who is or isn't scum based on that flip... after the flip.

Funny how that works.

I don't have the patience to herd cats today.

[NachoKoopa]

^ Crybaby scumposting

Important in the sense if Pie can be mafia or is the SK.
As SK he is no danger now.
And you are at the moment having 2 lists, people who are scum if Pie is SK and people who are scum if mafia.
That tells me you need number 1.

And all of this has to do with flipping pie and has nothing at all to do with Pyro.

I don't have the patience to herd cats today.

I don't have the patience for much of anything.

Vote pie with me.

Pie was able to catch DV.

Pie didn't catch shit.

I

did.

Ok majiffy I will vot pie

[NachoKoopa]

I thought Talah was scum and that you WOULDN'T be protecting him, but rather Wifom. His whole interaction with Wake was scummy as fuck. I didn't want to get in another days long battle with Talah like I did with Wake. So I shot him. I have one more shot left if we don't lynch Pie here. Pie needs to die though.

VOTE: Titus

[NachoKoopa]

so I assume there's 4 mafia left out of 13 players
and a SK
before you lynch me, do you all really wanna put it at 4-7, with one mislynch till LyLo? I don't think that's a very wise choice. I'm pretty sure you all would have eventually lynched wayne anyway and everyone was telling me to shoot wayne. I sent in the kill on wayne immediately, was trying to decide between wayne and jiffy, then I didn't even realize deadline hit >_<

Titus is a mafia strongman btw

Strongman probably wouldn't have day kill powers.

[NachoKoopa]

I don't follow the progression from this

its likely titus is not the strongman.

to this

vote titus

Not being the strongman doesn't mean not being scum.

[NachoKoopa]

VOTE: nachokoopa

I understand this completely.

[NachoKoopa]

Sure. I have 1 daytime shot. 2 night shots. The dayshot was spent by mastin. The first night shot was spent by me tonight on Talah.

Ability names?

[NachoKoopa]

Yeah but you have to keep in mind that you're important to in a position that you were nearly unquestioned town. Talah, even as a PR, was not unquestioned town. I, along with others, had doubts. I'm only questioning your position as town due to your behavior which suggests you intended to lynch me at the start of the day.

You also don't seem to be honoring your part of the agreement. Period. Why won't you do that?

Shooting the person who the bg claimed to be protecting is the worst shot you could have possibly made. And maybe, maybe that could have been enough for you to survive later because yeah maybe you would make a shot that bad. But the kill somehow going through pyro's protection as well? Too much coincidence for Titus town.

[NachoKoopa]

Finally. Let's get this shit done

VOTE: pie

Talah shot doesn't bother you at all?

[NachoKoopa]

Ok. It seems right now. Good night.

I don't expect Nacho to be phased but I would expect an acknowledgement. The only people who don't react to being voted are scum or are certain they won't be lynched.

There was an acknowledgement! Why would I be certain that I wasn't going to get lynched today?

[NachoKoopa]

In other news, if SK killed and vig killed, then where did the scum kill go?

It didn't go anywhere. Titus is just scum with a really bad fakeclaim.

Sure. I have 1 daytime shot. 2 night shots. The dayshot was spent by mastin. The first night shot was spent by me tonight on Talah.

Ability names?

Lupus. How the fuck is that relevant?

Oh wait, hat's right. You need to look busy and get on a popular wagon. If you were town, you should be alarmed by the number of people FoSing you.

Mod: Please recheck the count. You have Pyro self-voting.

Fixed

what do you gain by not answering the question? what do you lose by doing so?

I did answer the question. My ability is Lupus. The name is irrelevant, so I answered.

OK, now help me out a little bit more. How is your ability formatted? Let's look at Empking's to see what I'm talking about:

METEOR System (one-shot) - During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, you will be told what type of action (killing, investigative, protective, blocking, or miscellaneous) that player performed that same night. You may only use this ability once during the game.
Anti-Beam Shield (one-shot) - During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, you will protect that player from standard kill attempts, as well as prevent them from performing any active abilities that same night. You may only use this ability once during the game.
Full-Burst Mode (one-shot) - During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, and if that player pilots a mobile suit, you will disable any mobile suit abilities that player has for the rest of the game. Upon that player's death, their original mobile suit abilities will be revealed as usual. They will be informed of this fact when told that they have lost their mobile suit abilities. This action will resolve after all other actions that night. You may only use this ability once during the game.

You're telling me that your ability is:
Lupus (three-shot) - During a day phase, you may target another player. If successful, that player will die immediately and all votes will be reset. During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, that player will die immediately. You may only use Lupus during a day phase once and during a night phase twice.

versus something like

Lupus (one-shot) - During a day phase, you may target another player. If successful, that player will die immediately and all votes will be reset. You may only use this ability once during the game.
Dark Lupus (two-shot) - During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, that player will die at the end of the night phase. You may only use this ability twice during the game.

because your version seems horribly inelegant and not at all like something kdub would do at all

[NachoKoopa]

<3

[NachoKoopa]

What makes Titus look townish at this point?

[NachoKoopa]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4242995

Look at kdub fakeclaims. They are like bork's, meaning that one role possibility is given for you to claim. If you claim something else, you're going off the script.

[NachoKoopa]

Also, if Titus town, how did talah die?

[NachoKoopa]

I can't say I have a good picture of her scumgame. Do you?

[NachoKoopa]

Scum already has a flipped roleblocker.

[NachoKoopa]

There are also far too many missed kills for it to be multiball, so multi faction theory is no good.

[NachoKoopa]

Although you do have a point about claiming the shot, but Titus scum could quite possibly claim a shot like that.

[NachoKoopa]

Scum already has a flipped roleblocker.

I know, which is why I thought strongman at first, but nat said his rle implies multiple rbs.

Scum roleblocker + jailkeeper.

[NachoKoopa]

Multiple roleblockers!

[NachoKoopa]

Because WIFOM says you werent going to protect there so you should probably shoot there even though it might kill you, remember?

[NachoKoopa]

I skimmed PV claim in my bloodlust but that's weird in a PV sort of way.

[NachoKoopa]

NO! We are lynching the sk.

If we are not, we are lynching Nacho. Really Nati, Nacho wakes up just to push me and you think that's a bus. I also cannot see two rbers alive.

if you don't think there's a roleblocker alive, then you have to believe I'm scum and should be voting me.

And you should stop just stop defending your moronic shot. I've about had my wits end with you.

The simple way to take care of these things is by lynching them.

[NachoKoopa]

Role block preventer. Anyone I target cannot be role blocked. I've been on Pie every night.

Roleblock preventer?

[NachoKoopa]

Nvm carry on I'm an idiot and haven't slept

[NachoKoopa]

1) A oneshot cop is basically a mylo win if scum lying. Claim used it, guilty on town. Scum win.

I could see the problem with this if talah saved said guilty until LyLo, but he didn't.

2) Talah's sudden switch on Wake seemed like bussing rather than genuine. She was on every train but Wake (until I pointed this out).

And then Wake flipped town.

3) She lacked aggression towards Stal and Wayne, who were both claiming cop and acting in a manner to protect Wayne.

And then Wake flipped town.

4) Her total reluctance to give us a confirmed clear when she supposedly believed we could leash the sk.

Where did he refuse to give a confirmed clear?

5) I didn't observe crumbs of a result. That's the weakest bc I usually don't pick hem up.

He didn't have any results so that explains why he didn't crumb them.

6) Generally following the heard other than wierd Wake interactions.

Other than weird Wake interactions... even though wake was town...

[NachoKoopa]

Really I hate this role because I've only ever seen it as a scum role before which is why I danced around so much before claiming.

Obv answer to only 2 night kills is Nacho's bussing his strongman.

My strongman that shoots during the day as well?

The context makes no sense other than to throw dirt on PV who is fucking obvtown at this point.

How does it throw dirt on PV...? How is PV obvtown...?

[NachoKoopa]

Welcome back Levi. Your reads don't make any sense.

[NachoKoopa]

Ooey... really. Including yourself in your town list.

VOTE: Levi

This was the least of his sins, ETL.

[NachoKoopa]

UNVOTE:

actually, you know what? i can buy the vig thing considering the flavor of this game and the suits abilities.

This was also absolutely ridiculous.

[NachoKoopa]

And doesn't make any sort of sense.

[NachoKoopa]

Really I hate this role because I've only ever seen it as a scum role before which is why I danced around so much before claiming.

Obv answer to only 2 night kills is Nacho's bussing his strongman.

My strongman that shoots during the day as well?

There are such things as scum joats.

With day kills and strongmans? That doesn't make any sense, considering our protective roles are a one shot jailkeeper and a bulletproof bodyguard; the day kill already acts as a strongman for the scumteam. They don't need any more than that.

[NachoKoopa]

Ooey... really. Including yourself in your town list.

VOTE: Levi

This was the least of his sins, ETL.

But it was the nail nacho.

Fair enough.

[NachoKoopa]

Vote: leviathan

[NachoKoopa]

And townier!

[NachoKoopa]

Why Nacho over Levi Nati?

I find Levi's wagon composition very suspect.

Elaborate.

Ugh, a self-vouch from Nacho. Ew.

Am I not supposed to vouch for myself? Because I thought that was something I was supposed to do

[NachoKoopa]

Actually Nacho, I would help you lynch Titus now, but you're scum

You could help me lynch Titus despite your incorrect beliefs, you know.

[NachoKoopa]

Fair enough. We do have a lot of power.

This is where I'm at at the moment

kanyeknowsbest
Pyrotechnics
-
StefanB
EspeciallyTheLies
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AGar
Belisarius
PeregrineV
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leviathan93
Titus
NachoKoopa

Everything under the second line is where scum feelings start coming. My main worry about Levi is he feels like he's being pushed by scum as an easy lynchbait wagon. I really don't like that Nacho's not shown any fear at all about his wagon all game. He usually at least has the oomph to tell us his wagon sucks or he's town or something. I don't like EtL being that high, but >neighbors.

I mean, I don't mind the wagon on me. I have been lazy and fed up with things for the majority of this game and it's been pretty much a mirror of my old scum play. I'm just not scum

[NachoKoopa]

Just checked my role PM. My abilities are linked to my suit.

My paranoia sense is tingling. Why separate the two unless we have roleblockers that block just suits or people who can steal suits.

Abilities? I thought you only had 1.

[NachoKoopa]

The only thing with Levi is the way DV talked me off of him day one, but then ended up putting him in his scum list when he had to rearrange things.

This is an excellent point. From my POV, he was also far too quick to give Sakura a town read (based on the neighbor QT), plus his reactions yesterday. I'm fine with lynching Levi.

what? I know her play. she was super obvious town this whole game, and then you came in and just mess things up. the only reason I still have your role as town is because of her.

What has ETL done that has been scummy?

[NachoKoopa]

persionally between a weaker player who is scum and a stronger player who is scum, id rather lynch the latter.

it's really great not to lynch the stronger player who is town though

[NachoKoopa]

like really really great

[NachoKoopa]

that's okay! you'll see it one day, buddy.

[NachoKoopa]

Nati, only one. I plan on using it tonight. While Kanye cannot be a scumbuddy with Pie, keeping Pie alive benefits town.

Beli, go on. I don't know where you are coming from, but you at least seem to be trying.

The wagon sucks not for who is on it but for the reasoning. I do suspect one of Pyro/Nati as scum. The Levi wagon has one scumread (Nacho) but better reasoning.

You keep having scumreads that require you to tie them to people who have not flipped scum. Why is this?

[NachoKoopa]

The only thing with Levi is the way DV talked me off of him day one, but then ended up putting him in his scum list when he had to rearrange things.

This is an excellent point. From my POV, he was also far too quick to give Sakura a town read (based on the neighbor QT), plus his reactions yesterday. I'm fine with lynching Levi.

what? I know her play. she was super obvious town this whole game, and then you came in and just mess things up. the only reason I still have your role as town is because of her.

What has ETL done that has been scummy?

I don't know what he has done that is scummy. I town read people. I spend time looking for town. ETL just doesn't seem like a playing townie even though I know they are one because sakura was.

Well this was a useful catchup.

[NachoKoopa]

What info do we get by shooting Nacho or Levi when they are deadmen walking? Play to the longterm.

You get confirmed as town when otherwise you will most definitely be lynched?

[NachoKoopa]

Nati, only one. I plan on using it tonight. While Kanye cannot be a scumbuddy with Pie, keeping Pie alive benefits town.

Beli, go on. I don't know where you are coming from, but you at least seem to be trying.

The wagon sucks not for who is on it but for the reasoning. I do suspect one of Pyro/Nati as scum. The Levi wagon has one scumread (Nacho) but better reasoning.

You keep having scumreads that require you to tie them to people who have not flipped scum. Why is this?

Not sure what you're saying here.

Also, Nacho you have highlighted a goid reason for scum me to want to vig you and Levi, towncred. The rejection of towncred should clue you in to the fact I am not scum. That is setting aside the whole, gunsmith without a vig is stupid.

I'm saying you said that Kanye and wake were scumbuddies at one point after wake had flipped town.
Why is gunsmith without a vig stupid when there is a serial killer?
And no it's not towncred, it's confirming yourself as town which is kind of a big deal since scum you can't do that.

[NachoKoopa]

Nacho is a far better option than levi.

I don't remember this position before. Is it Levi's townread on you?

[NachoKoopa]

I wanna hammer it.

[NachoKoopa]

No. I think if you are both scum, lynching you gives us more to work with in terms of associations than lynching Levi.

But we aren't both scum.

[NachoKoopa]

Errrr, no, if one scum one town, scum knows town neighbor is town, offs town neighbor, one dead town neighbor looks like both neighbors town. Sends in to huge wifom spiral, easily rideable till endgame with good scum. Always assume scum is smart.

I do. Yet, killing your allies isn't smart as scum. If the neighbor townreads the scum neighbor, there is no point in killing the town neighbor as the town neighbor can be an asset in determining who is mislynchable and creating mislynches. If the neighbor cannot be manipulated as such, then shoot him.

Ideally shoot the town neighbor before the scum neighborgets lynched as a scum neighbor practically confirms the other.

Enough setup spec, let's talk game.

Aaaaaand VOTE: titus. Game reading unnecessary . Choo-Choo.

If you read the game, you'd know I am town. Gunsmith suggests town vig. I am the only vig claimer. I took risks and said fuck off accordingly. I did what I hav done. The votes keep me alive, so I don't mind them. As long as scum think I am a useful idiot, I live.

Gunsmith doesn't suggest town vig, again.

[NachoKoopa]

I wanna hammer it.

Disassociative language. Good fucking lord. God damn it. Now they lynch me when I am this close to finding the scum and ending this. Ugh.

Levi - Kanye - Nacho. Signed sealed delivered.

I don't know what language is but ok.

[NachoKoopa]

also titus is town, just saying.

Okay thanks Levi

[NachoKoopa]

Sorry. I will hammer you, Titus the human with feelings of dread when she looks at the role PM given to her.

[NachoKoopa]

Nacho is a good lynch.

<3 ily nacho. But you gotta go.

I mean no one would blame you if you bunny hopped over to one of the two wagons that are objectively better than mine!

[NachoKoopa]

I don't really have a feeling that kanye is scum. He may be, but I would only support that lynch if we got to end game and still had many scum around. He's good, so he could be, but i currently feel he is town.

nati I could see as scum from his push on me, regardless if i'm playing shittily or not, his push does not seem very pro town.

Beli I simply highly doubt is scum

Nacho I feel the best chance of the moment of being scum

and Titus is definitely not scum.

neither is ETL because of sakura.

Why is Titus definitely not scum?

[NachoKoopa]

No... It doesn't. It suggests that Nacho will vote me when my wagon gains steam.

I'm pretty sure I said something to the effect of "will hammer whenever".
If that's what you meant like this, then yes! Yes it does.

[NachoKoopa]

How do I always get quick lynched?

[NachoKoopa]

How do I always get quick lynched?

atleast you didnt get quicklynched the other days i wanted you lynched...

ya that's true

[NachoKoopa]

we could have had it all if I was town and if my hydra partner wasn't useless the whole game except for Mastin to think I was town
And if Kalimar used his vig shot like I told him to ;'(

[NachoKoopa]

At least I don't have to read!

[NachoKoopa]

dude Tammy's was p fucking quality
I wrote it while drunk so I had my usual town passion

Kanye, I wrote yours on an iPad 20 minutes before deadline :'(

[NachoKoopa]

Hey Nacho how many you got on your team? Be straight with me.

everyone's on nachos team

[NachoKoopa]

ill never fucking forget this

:'(

DV was p lame too and I love DV a lot!

[NachoKoopa]

I'm scum.
Titus was scum.
DV was scum I think, but not sure considering you took away the love of my life from me so quickly

[NachoKoopa]

this role was pretty cool though, just wish there wasn't the shitshows the past 7 days that were no fun to read and v hard to care about