Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[Natirasha]

Which is why I'm asking you how you would balance a game with an unlimited-shot nightvig and an x-shot dayvig on the same alignment.

And saiyng "scum doc, bulletproof, roleblockers etc" is not an answer. It doesn't address anything.

How is it not an answer? That's literally how you balance it.

[Majiffy]

jiffy's arguments actually make a lot of sense.

[Majiffy]

Which is why I'm asking you how you would balance a game with an unlimited-shot nightvig and an x-shot dayvig on the same alignment.

And saiyng "scum doc, bulletproof, roleblockers etc" is not an answer. It doesn't address anything.

How is it not an answer? That's literally how you balance it.

Because it doesn't address negative utility of incompetent vigs.

Like I said; an incompetent cop just gets innos. Doesn't harm anyone. Incompetent vigs (and two of them? Christ) can end an alignment damn near instantly.

[Natirasha]

Have scum:town proportions be high enough that even random shots will likely hit scum some number of the time. Have kill-limiting abilities of both alignments. Hope your vig isn't incompetent.

[Majiffy]

With two killing town roles that roughs out to a potential of 4 dead townies every day-night cycle.

21 players in this game. 4 dead townies every cycle means even with a ratio of 17:4 you'll be reaching LYLO within 3 day phases (13:4 on d2, 9:4 on d3, 5:4 on d5)
And that's with a pathetically low scum ratio.

So if your argument has to come down to "hope your vig isn't incompetent", you should probably go back to the drawing board.

[Majiffy]

Remember, we're not just arguing theory here. We're talking about the likelihood of an unlimited-shot nightvig and an x-shot dayvig in this setup both being town-aligned.

I call no way.

[Majiffy]

* 5:4 on d4 in 1504

[Majiffy]

Now I'm going to sleep. Maybe you should go re-read Pie's ISO and then make the intelligent decision and vote him.

Toodles.

[waynegg]

No, I'm saying that he would look pretty damn town if he had more than 1 shot.

It's like trawling from that quiet stream deep in the woods. Subtle.

[waynegg]

Balance

Multiball

Scum GF, SM, JK

WW RB, JK, X UL

Town

Alien
Priest
Doc
Watcher
Unl N Vig
X D Vig
Saulus
7 VT

But I think we'd be seeing an entirely different game if that were the case...

[Natirasha]

You know what? I'm just going to give jiffy this one. I could argue further but I don't think we're actually accomplishing anything and, honestly, I suspect that we do have scum in our claimed PRs(cheeky thing: if this is multiball, having a scumtracker and scumwatcher on opposite sides is an interesting duality). Moreover, we likely have some nonstandard mechanics going on in regards to Gundam Suit Powers. In addition to the fact I'm not convinced Kalimar isn't scum and we still have the fact of softclaimed investigators ready to investigate pie. And IF pie is town, he is a higher priority target. In addition, if he's scum fakeclaiming, we get to lead the nightkill by leaving him alive until we figure out everything else. It's just...he's a bad kill no matter how you look at it.

[PeregrineV]

Still on 42 in terms of reading, but skim conclusion is if Kalimar lives through today and the night, then he is leashed and only kills by direction.

[Kdub]

Day 1 - Vote Count #48

DrDolittle (0)

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kanyeknowsbest (0)

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Belisarius (0)

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waynegg (0)

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pieguyn (4)

- waynegg, Empking, Majiffy, AGar

AGar (0)

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PeregrineV (0)

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leviathan93 (0)

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Svenskt Stål (0)

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Empking (0)

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Majiffy (4)

- leviathan93, DeasVail, pieguyn, Svenskt Stål

Pyrotechnics (0)

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Sakura Hana (0)

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NachoKoopa (0)

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DeasVail (1)

- kanyeknowsbest

Matias (0)

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ArcAngel9 (4)

- NachoKoopa, Natirasha, Sakura Hana, talah

talah (0)

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Natirasha (0)

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Kalimar (1)

- Pyrotechnics

No lynch (0)

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Not voting (6)

- DrDolittle, Belisarius, PeregrineV, Matias, ArcAngel9, Kalimar

20 votes available
11 votes needed to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-10-23 11:46:30)

Eh just PM me who to vote, Kdub won't mind.

[Pyrotechnics]

VOTE: AA9

[pieguyn]

unvote vote: AA9

[DrDolittle]

lurker = scum.
lurker = at most null.
voting aa9 is stupid when there are so many better options out on the table.

[DrDolittle]

VOTE: nacho
^ for example

[Sakura Hana]

The fact that she's posting elsewhere and avoiding this game convinced me.

[waynegg]

The fact that she's posting elsewhere and avoiding this game convinced me.

And you checked that yourself? Or did you just trust the statement?

[Sakura Hana]

And you checked that yourself? Or did you just trust the statement?

Yes I did

just now...

[ArcAngel9]

Oh god, i had no time and you already built wagon on me
Nacho, why are voting me.. I am not scum..i am very much town...

[DrDolittle]

aa9 you post like one of those nigerian 419 scammers and it clouds my views and always give me a false-positive scum read

[Svenskt Stål]

VOTE: Aa9

[Belisarius]

VOTE: nacho
^ for example

You don't seriously think you're getting Nacho today, do you?

[Sakura Hana]

Hey Beli, do you have anything else to comment on?