Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

3. Andrius
-I didn't like the Sven jump in 175. The part where e calls Sven out for being in a meeting seems especially weak to me. Scum fabricating reason. All his reasons for voting Sven were regurgitated--why not credit them directly? Similarly, if he's agreeing with other people's thought processes, why isn't he posting that he is town reading them? BROs lack of a vote isn't scummy, a lot of people in MS don't use their vote liberally (Marangal). Attacking BRO or not having a scum read is fucking stupid because neither did I. And many other people. Attack on Sven's 160 seems really really asinine.

Very slow on giving town reads. Mollie and I werent given a town read until post 500. I feel like it should have been earlier.

Votes: Sven and varsoon. Can't argue, but both seem like wagons that would be easiest to build a case on, varsoon especially. Makes me doubt.

Obviously I wouldn't normally be using Sven ad varsoon vote to call someone out but I'm just looking for hints of scum motivation right now

2 vote came out of nowhere

Going down this list...
8. Ghostlin

14. RachMarie
It's rach.
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Heading back off again, but I'd like to mention that Varsoon dropped his little gambit and then everyone totally forgot about it. Make him use it on 2 or something.

At what point do you realize varsoon is stupid and that the gambit won't work

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ghostlin

As Sven said, catchup post might have been fabricated, easy thoughts that look stolen

Rach and varsoon: fuck if I'm confident in reading them

TD: I don't know. Gut maybe. Your town case was pretty solid

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So my ordering:

TD: confident
Ghostlin: scum motivation might exist
Rach and varsoon: never will be sure
Andrius: only putting up with him because of you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

jesus christ you guys are giving me whiplash.

- f

Hey. Sorry, can you give me a read list from you and buld? I can't find it

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Again, going to take another step back. I feel good about the town block.
AJ is scum. 2 is scum. TMT is scum. MS could be scum, Rev could be scum.

plz lynch in the order of aj <--- rev <--- and then hopefully you will get to the point where you will want to lynch andy. you don't have to vote him just keep the focus.

I'm only ever considering rev after 2 flips scum

And even then I do think Sven's slot was town

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok jon is clearly not scum, unless he's deliberately being quiet so he can pretend to have forgotten the game. No-one forgets a game in which they're scum.

Am I the only one that thinks this is suuuuuper scummy

Also GIF did you ask me a question that I did not answer
Also did anyone else ask me a question that I did not answer

Have you SEEN how shitty all his reasons were

let me post

[orcinus_theoriginal]

plz lynch in the order of aj <--- rev <--- and then hopefully you will get to the point where you will want to lynch andy. you don't have to vote him just keep the focus.

I won't be alive that long.

Lets take bets on who's going to be night killed n1 lol

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I know at least one of your scumreads is wrong because TMT has dropped at least 6 newscumtells.

Wait so

How about

2->Aj for the next two days

And we'll consider where we're at afterwards

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nacho did you read my concerns

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why is TD not solidly in buld's scum pile but rater grouped with two towns

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I know at least one of your scumreads is wrong because TMT has dropped at least 6 newscumtells.

Then fucking vote him?

And get Metal next, he's either scum or a liar who pretends to be reading stuff he couldn't have possibly read and be making reads he couldn't have possibly been making for no good reason.

You're also still wrong about TD

You know why nacho isn't voting TMT I mean come on

Did you read nacho's case on TD it was good

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay I'm going bye bye soon anything anyone wants from me

That's an old one, but orc doesn't deserve an updated version anyway.

Lolwut

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You know why nacho isn't voting TMT I mean come on

No I do not. Enlighten me?

- b

and because he's voting you

there are varying degrees of scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So this buld method of hurling insults reminds me of BSG caught scum

i'm good now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

We could use my gambit when/if 2 hits L-1, if only to confirm things.
I'd also like to see it actually work, given that it'd drive Orc up a wall if it did.

You know that gambits only work

When people don't know you're doing it

So can you shut up now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Varsoon

Your posts are cancerous

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Do you know why your game posts are being ignored

You could think about that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I am listening to live zydeco and drinking a hurricane. wish you were all here.

- f

I love 14 hr time difference

We could've been drunk at the same time

[orcinus_theoriginal]

V/LA until end of week don't expect me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

pedit - incorrect. You want to share you reasons for thinking scum, or are you just going to soft push people without providng us with any input?

Because your reads suck

But that isn't necessarily scum indicative

Yawn

[orcinus_theoriginal]

TD can be town

Nacho where are we lynching today in 2 and Aj I'm sorry I've been busy

[orcinus_theoriginal]

2 still.

Okay

By the way

I liked Sven and I think he's town

And the WIFOM post is getting misrep'd

From my perspective he wrote that and then realized that it could be seen as WIFOM so tagged it on because I mean he doesn't give a shit anymore lol

I like rev too maybe but Sven is town man I don't know how to say this

Okay bye

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him

It's beautiful that Orc and 2 have made the most posts in this game but they're also usually in null piles or are pretty controversially read.

this is a lie

did varsoon do the gambit yet

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Haven't paid much attention to Orc or 2,, but Nacho literally always plays the same from what Ive seen. So nulln o him

It's beautiful that Orc and 2 have made the most posts in this game but they're also usually in null piles or are pretty controversially read.

this is a lie

Drawing attention to this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

me me me me, quick before TD walls me

Alright, the first step, then.

This'll be easier with you than most other players, actually.


I want a full claim from you, including the flavor paragraph and character that you are.
This shouldn't be hard, since you already claimed and all that.

Alright, whatever. I'll maybe take your anti-town comments on board if you flip town. Maybe. I still think you're scum, I find it strange that you're not applying any pressure on me. I'd expect townies to be extremely wary of me, because of my tracker modifier. Mollie is on the ball when she worries about a scum tracker. Like I said earlier, town thought process. Scum know I'm miller. Townies do not know. You don't seem to be interacting with me in a way that makes me believe you don't know what my role is. Therefore, I think you're scum. So my vote stays.

You inherited my read on svenskt, which went to pretty strong town when he replaced out. Prior to that I was willing to wait a day and see how my read shaped up. Our vote is on someone we agree looks scummy.

- f

Wait, wait, wait.
How does scum know he's miller?
Because, as far as I know, scum would only know who other scum is.
I guess he means that scum can infer that he's miller because they know he's town and he claimed miller?
Still, blah, I had a townread on sven and I'm way less sure about Rev.

I recommend paraphrasing the shit out of that stuff because mod kill. Also, suggest you guys check with bork before proceeding.

- f

Doesn't work if he paraphrases.
It -should- be rules legal, given that he's not taking a screen-cap, etc.
Because there's nothing that lets us know if he's 100% quoting the PM, right?


P-Edit:

Ah well.
My idea was to counterclaim with my PM, minus role, and then third parties could confirm that the rhetoric fits, etc.
/shrug
It -would- work if it was rules legal, but I guess not.

Makes me think--in a Lylo situation, all players could quote their role PMs directly, and the one guy who isn't modkilled is the scum, because he would have to lie or be modkilled. Then again, I guess if everyone is modkilled, there's no one to lynch the remaining scum.

I missed all of this in my skimming

Such a beautiful post

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Extending VLA through to Sunday noon my time

Ill do a quick catchup later today (maybe)

Is there anything I need to comment on

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Confirming above

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't like sajin anymore

[orcinus_theoriginal]

mollie can you comment on sajin's recent posts on venmar

or if you did could you quote it

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay what on earth is this metal sonic wagon

This seems so weird

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm back too, sorry bout that

Rev kill is interesting.

Well done on 2, BnB

VOTE: Aj

Varsoon needs scrutiny

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why is sajin town again?

I want to look at him and varsoon today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Who was voting me again

I am here now if you would like to vote me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Varsoon: describe your interaction with 2 yesterday and tell me where you were leaning on the slot, specifying every change in your read through the course of the day

Thank you

Oh yeah and it seemed like you were still votin me by day end, spin, what was up with that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh, or he could post reads on a player that is dead. Dammit waynegg, you're town aren't you.

He replaced in halfway through the night right

I feel like this isn't as strong a tell in this circumstance as it normally would be

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why do you presume at least one scum is on the wagon

And how do you know it's multiball?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why do you presume at least one scum is on the wagon

And how do you know it's multiball?

Math wise, if we presume 5 scum, and there are 11 people on the wagon...let's just say the odds of someone NOT bussing aren't grand.

Muitiball was a presumption with multiple kills and no claimed Vig--I tend to presume the worse, but we could have an SK or an unclaimed Vig.

um no

I could randomly generate 11 people and then say that there is at least one scum in tht list and my results would be just as meaningful

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You are an idiot for claiming and your anger looks incredibly untownie

Ghostlin and I are neighbors

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh

Shit

I read that post wrong


I'm sorry I'm so sleep deprived

[orcinus_theoriginal]

My bad >.<

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah, I read "we" over "I" in your all caps

Hjnnnnnng

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But I saw your post and realized that your reasoning doesn't actually make sense wrt POE in 2 wagon.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Wooooooooooooow.

I sure as hell saw squat. But okay then orc, you outed it. Nice.

Alignments unconfirmed, right? You both feeling town on each other then?

Ghostlin has a stronger town read on me than I do at him

Yes unconfirmed

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But I saw your post and realized that your reasoning doesn't actually make sense wrt POE in 2 wagon.

OK. Random-wise, you're right, it doesn't make sense except I suspect certain people being Town. Now, 11 players out of 20, 1 being scum...isn't rubbish, actually. That said, I did find some things in the ISOs.

Although not Venmar's ISO, because don'tfuckingcare didn't really fucking care.

Okay but a case that is built with the mindset of POE in a random 11 person sample doesn't sit right with me. I for one think it completely possible that no scum were on the wagon. Not likely but certainly possible.

I think you should scumhunt without using that as your starting point

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What you are reading is how abrasive my playstyle can be and because it is different than how the average player plays town you assume he must but be opposite of what the average player is (town) and is therefore scum. If that is correct, then please talk to nacho or someone else and get a reason from them. If that is not correct, feel free to ask me some questions.

It's not abrasive in a town way tho

I mean. I don't mind abrasive play. I have abrasive play. I think it's good to a certain extent.

but I think that some of your accusations have too little actual substance and too much flowery insults.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also, you don't have to put words in my mouth. I can do that perfectly find on my own

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I like ghostlin tbh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Scum might want to back off because it gives them a chance to, Yknow, stop talkingg

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I don't find trolly comments "genuine emotion" tbh

[orcinus_theoriginal]

his initial reaction was not trolling though

Will wait for varsoon's replies to talk to you about him

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hum. Didn't get what I quote tagged from the first page of ISO.

Regardless, B&B, why aren't you scum?

Okay

So are we lynching varsoon before or after aj

Because we're lynching varsoon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.

Oh my GOD.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

HAPPY SCUMDAY NACH

what would you like your bday present to be

[orcinus_theoriginal]

my body is ready for that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Eh, fuck it.

Vote : 2

Vote: 2

I'll be revisiting Sajin soon enough.

PEdit: errrrr

This is so faked considering thre was 8 minutes between the votes

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah fuck man I'm scared of your opinions yeah that's it


To everyone else: sorry I haven't been posting substantially, but I don't really see a lot to talk about given today's lynch is a bit of a foregone conclusion before now. Ill make something big when I get home

You're squirming again.

How am I squirming and why are you trying to discredit me with something that obviously just isn't true

I think 2 is town.
But we've only got 3 days.
I don't wanna vote 2.
But there's a chance I'm wrong and 2's scum.
So
I don't know what to think.
I think 2's a better town player if 2 is town than most of you guys.
But this -is- a game with 20 players.
We can mislynch a few, I think.
I don't wanna.
But we can.

How's that fence you're working on?

It's not a fence when I'm pretty outspokenly for 2's Town status and even made a case for it based on ISO evidence.

How's that name-calling working out for you?

@Andrius' 2659


You couldn't sound more like a stuck-up, condescending person.
People like you are why I don't want to play mafia on this site.

Regardless, 2 is town.
You could push through the 2 lynch or, you know, actually lynch someone who's likely scum AND actively doing work that is causing town misdirection, etc.

you took it out of context.
Andrius was just reiterating Varsoon's thought process.

GIF, can you convince me that 2 is scum?

I'm not buying it.

hahaha, this setting up of the lynch of AJ, then me.
laughable.

Eh, fuck it.

Vote : 2

How did this progression work out?

I also really don't like Cabd, for some reason.

Vote: Cabd

I'll vote here for now.
I don't know what makes him town, and it's weird that he's so conf-town when I don't think of him as such.
I'll do some ISO work and see what I can figure out.

And this was while Varsoon was talking about the 2 wagon being bad

I don't see the progression here

2 was not a deadline lynch

Why did Varsoon switch suddenly to putting a vote down on 2?

Cabd vote: Scum flailing to direct a counterwagon? I don't see any other reason for it. It can't be town because Varsoon obviously didn't want to direct a counterwagon that would actually /work/.

I feel, Nacho, like it is because of the defense you and others are giving Varsoon for his "crazy play" that he is actively TRYING to fit his play to your expectations. In that sense, you are teaching Varsoon how to act town.

That's not what we're doing.

WE're not trying to teach people how to act town. We are trying to find scum.

But to me, between the chaos he is causing in the thread with gambits and all that shit and the whole talk about pizza just seemed very /forced/ to me, it looks like he's trying to conform into the standard you openly set for him.

I still think he is scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah he did

What do you feel about it?

Pedit: damnit dude

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Yeah he did

What do you feel about it?

Pedit: damnit dude

And you get on

my

case about bad reaction tests.

Buy me some pizza.

THAT WAS NOT A

THAT WAS NOT

VOTE: Varsoon

Cabd you can put your vote back on Aj

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That was not even remotely comparable to all the shit you have been pulling

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And you are ignoring me

But it's 1:30 am so I'm sleeping Cabd are you actually in the same zone as me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nacho: reconsidering maybe that you're right on Andy being town. But varsoon, sorry I'm not going with you on that read

I can agree with the rest of the townblock for now

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BnB what's your opinion on Varsoon again

Also VOTE: Aj why is he so far from lynch again

[orcinus_theoriginal]

See the thing that is ticking me off he most (strangely) is the pizza thing, right now

Do you see how forced it looks

It is obviously scum trying artificially to mimick something he thinks he will get towncred for

Ffs

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And he continues to ignore me and the concerns I raised wrt his 2 vote

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh Cabd I think your hydra partner in GCBC is my time zone then

I think maybe I forgot it was somebody in that game

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Aj isn't flipping town SEE THIS IS FAKED CONCERN FOR TOWN

HE SID THE SAME THING WITH 2 too!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

If you answered my 2 concerns go quote it for me because literally your posts have so much fluff I only ever skim them anymore

[orcinus_theoriginal]

...food tell?

I thought it was a typo for good tell but then you wrote it twice

Lol I did not know there was a name for that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why

Would you point that out

If he was BP congrats now scum knows

If he is scum congrats you gave him a fakeclaim

Cabd shut up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

No Cabd

It's too forced TO BE TOWN

[orcinus_theoriginal]

well if he denies it I really don't see how he can claim it later

Okay well I'm happy that he did

But that was a dumb thing to do cabd

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BRO and GiF are not posting enough I am quite disappointed in them

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay well I'm happy that he did

But that was a dumb thing to do cabd

fucking instantly
and guess what
that was town as fucking shit

One town tell does not a townie make

[orcinus_theoriginal]

people breadcrumb in the strangest ways on this site

What site did you play on

Because I would like to try there sometime

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Happy Scumday Nacho!

Also, just going to add Orc to the town pile.

I wasn't before?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh right VLA nvm

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Okay well I'm happy that he did

But that was a dumb thing to do cabd

fucking instantly
and guess what
that was town as fucking shit

One town tell does not a townie make

I think he meant me, not varsoon.

Gif, did you pass the turing test by laughing at my checklist, or are you a robot?

No he was talking about varsoon

I enjoyed your checklist and I may steal it in the future

GIF tell me what you are making of the game I'm too tired to ask you questions

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mollie, Buldey, Jiffy

I have landed on your home world

[orcinus_theoriginal]

EM is shit

Oh hey hammer

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Guys lets talk about that hammer

I liked it

[orcinus_theoriginal]

if aj is town i will eat my hat

and since when did you start town reading me lmao

[orcinus_theoriginal]

but if aj actually flips town, venmar should be scum

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orcinus_theoriginal- Town, but paranoia says I should put him as scum.

This is the most forced + faked paranoia I have ever fucking seen.

Also, when Sajin said it was obvioius, it's obvious. Stop acting like it isn't.

I wonder if the hider crumbed

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh yeah yeah yeah and

VOTE: Varsoon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

aj the epic leaning scum

aj leaning town now

aj hasn't displayed anything scummy as of yet that I can see, so he will be a null-town until i can read him further but nothing extremely incriminating that I picked up on as of yet.

But you had him as scum in 1153?

^Pre iso


I iso'd cabd and aj right now,
aj is a lot more helpful than i thought. upgraded to town

But you had him as town in 1391?

I don't like this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

MS continues to post like shit, can we kill him now please?

vote MS

Fuck off

VOTE: TD

Fun fact: This is MS' only vote of day 2

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orc can we lynch varsoon first?
i really want to and i really want you to want to and i really want nacho to want to

that's why my vote is there

But MS needs to be looked at

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, Rach vote is stupid considering BOTH mollie and majiffy had her down as town

I've resigned to my inability to read her so I think we should just trust conftown majiffy in this

Rach tbh is not worth my effort to read. I might PoE her alignment down at lylo like I did in borkgame but yeah she's lynchbait as either alignment. Going to trust the man with meta.

Nach yo we gotta talk

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh yeah.

I don't think venmar crumbed his target which is stupid

[orcinus_theoriginal]

GIF, please explain why you aren't scum.
Rach, why are you extra-passive this game? I'm used to more activity from you as town.
Nacho, lead me on the right path. I don't wanna think you're scum, but you won me over really easily too.

Three SHIT questions

1). What the fuck is this. He's not scum because his role PM says he's town. What the hell is this question
2). Rach had her computer broken didn't she?
3). Ohmygod nacho is town you dipppp

[orcinus_theoriginal]

fair enough

NACHO
THE TRIUMVIRATE NEEDS YOU
FOR THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS

btw

I'm starting to lean town on you independent of nacho's read for your proactiveness

So you're probably town factoring in Nacho's read

[orcinus_theoriginal]

also, lets discuss the 3 kills at night

2 scum factions + X shot Vig
1 scum faction + 1 SK (w/X or 1x bulletproof, probably)+ X shot Vig

2 scum factions+ 1 SK (w/X or 1x bulletproof, probably)

The bolded are the most likely in my mind.

I have a question to everyone who has played with ghost before

This is the second time he's failed completely in analysis (the first was trying to scumhunt off a wagon that hit scum)

Is this normal

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Nice catch, didn't see that.

VOTE: Rachmarie

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Also, I will be keeping an eye on Rachmarie. Don't let me die baby Rachy.

Yes, this is definitely a crumb.

Sajin is town.

I need to rethink all of my reads right now but Rach is being lynched today

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sajin, who's scum other than rach again? Refresh my memory

[orcinus_theoriginal]

+Nach

Who's in the lynchpool tomorrow? MS, Varsoon...?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because this day is basically a foregone conclusion

[orcinus_theoriginal]

varsoon

is

the lynchpool

MS looks funky too can you comment on that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Who wants to go associative hunt rach to find out who her buddies are

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yep thats what the letters mean he told me in the onsite chat one day. Cause I asked him about it... It is amaxing what happens when you ask questions...

Speaking of which:

I have some questions for ya all

I do have work to do plus NS and I are getting ready for company. I get to meet his son this weekend. So I was not able to continue earlier Mac BTW why so hot on me? There are 20 players in this game who else are you looking at? Do you have town reads as well as me for scum? Tunneling tends to make you miss the bigger picture... ...

Var I am not ignoring you, but so far I have not really seen any glaring tells either way from you so you still are prob leaning town. One of these days I will get a chance to play with you when you are scumz...

Ghost do you have anything else besides the whole calling me stupid and trolling? Cause yeah not impressed with that, though overall you seem towny I still need to really look over your ISO more Unlike the TD dude you actually have posted a fair bit.

TD dude umm anything else besides no one can read that fast? Cause that is not that much of a case, especially with as few posts as you have. I know that Nacho has you as town but I have you as kinda meh atm...

DFK??? ummm still waiting for more from you? I do understand the pace of the game is really fast and furious, lots of hyper poster, but umm we definitely need MORE from you.

MS is definitely a bit of pot meet kettle cause his ISO is also very short whilst he complains to Nacho for putting TD on the town list but not him ummm ... You definitely need to post more, and I will say that at least TD has posted some content... you can go in the leaning scumz pile...

more later cause this already must be a wall

Is Jon even in this game? Has anyone metastalked him to see if he is just not posting much? Cause this is not typical of his play from when I have played with him before... He was much more active. The whole shit I forgot about this game is understandable, but since then?

Andy

I admit I am not as active as usual even though I am not still on V/LA, I still do not have my own computer yet, and am sharing NS's computer. We are working on a plan to buy me a new computer ASAP. Plus his son is here for a visit.

Pretty sure Var is probably town though I have played with him in a few games now, and this is typical of him the kinda VIness combined with noobness. Give him a few months and it should settle down. Still ♥ you Var, just talking about how you play.

Not sure why Ghost thinks I am trolling? Other than the one part about the whole minute thing. Though I really did read that handful of posts that fast. I do read fast though sometimes I do miss something and have to reread.

To give an example, last night before I went to sleep around 8 AM, I finished the last about a fifth of book 6 and read all of book 7 of Harry Potter on my Kindle.

Key is vigbait or lynchbait.... Though that does not rule out him being scumz, I think it would be better to look at others first, because Key will give himself away in the end iffen he is scumz... Other players are far more likely to be good at hiding it. They are the ones I would be more concerned with. Plus Key just replaced into a slot which has almost NO info on, so yeah...

Moving along
My strongest town reads are Nacho, B n B, Andy (partly because of Nacho partly because of though he does not post much it is mostly signal and very little noise when he does post) Orc, and Var.

after that the not as strong town pile includes Ghost, Cabd (because he is playing a lot like he did in our Newbie game together), Mac, Bro dude, (though I would like to see him post more).

Scum

AJ (hence my vote),

not as convinced that TD is a town read as say Nacho is, but ehh

and I need to look at some ISOs the whole game posting is making my head hurt especially with 2. I know both are prolific posters, but uggh 88 pages.... Bulder and fery could you please slow it down a tad?

So var looks like Rach's buddy

Rach ignores Var for half the game, puts him in the town pile, and then later...

Nacho could I have a link to that scum game of Vars? Cause he was town in all the games I was in with him and pretty much played like this and got himself mislynched a lot. So I had put him in my town pile cause of that. Would be interesting to compare him as scumz, I thought he did not have any scum games completed yet?

Sort of goes wishy washy on the read? Looks like scum doing that awkward thing where they're afraid to town read their buddies too hard

[orcinus_theoriginal]

That needs to happen, but not right now.
We can do that after we see her (scum)flip.
Yes, its worth looking at, but not that important RIGHT NOW.

You are speaking music to my ears though. More fuel for the varsoon lynch? Yes please.

Dude, it's obvious that rach is being lynched today

I'm trying to be productive here

So you should come be productive with me. Who are we lynching after rach flips scum?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Talk to me about TD

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And spinach, actually

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm afraid of a quick hammer, night passing, and seeing your dead body

Your reaction to the Rach wagon has made me put you down as solid town

So preferably I would want you to talk to me about TD and Spinach before night falls

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What do you make of MS/TD's crossvoting?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh please. BnB was town for certain, and a very likely NK target at that. Why would venmar hide behind them?

With a crumb like that, sacrificing his own life to catch a scum is infinitely worth it

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Lol flail

GIF you need to do more

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Go town!

Wait

Sorry, go scum, my bad

[orcinus_theoriginal]

never mind, guess I died. Massive fucking levels of awkwardness

hgahahahahahaha holy shit i'm sorry for posting but this is great

[orcinus_theoriginal]

happy bday

[orcinus_theoriginal]

BRO I LOVE UOU

JIST FOR THE RECORD THO I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO JAIL ME THE NIGHT I GOT KILLED

[orcinus_theoriginal]

This game needs a scummy

And I am so happy that I can retire with a win in my first 'real' scumgame

[orcinus_theoriginal]

IMO whether or not to claim miller is completely dependent on how good of a player you are

I would not claim miller because I will probably never be investigated ever if I play seriously like I did in this game

But it's personal preference

Idc about blue QT not like I have secrets in there

I did like stalking you though when you used it as your journal

I TOLD YOU TO JAIL ME

[orcinus_theoriginal]

But I love you

Thanks for bringing the game home

Btw I had the most awkward fucking moment in this game hang on

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Here. Have a cookie.

VOTE: BRO

Here. Have a cookie.

VOTE: BRO

Wait are you seriously reading him as scum?
Why are you reading Sven town recently?

Why would you ask me the first question now?
Because fery is town reading sven

Why would you ask me the first question now?
Because fery is town reading sven

There's no reason to waste useless pressure on him when he's going to be obvious town regardless of whether you put votes on him or not. It'd probably be better if you didn't go psycho aggression on him because he is new, he is obvtown, and you might lock down his scumhunting.

You see obvtown on him?

I was planning on hardbussing BRO but then I was like lol whoops okay sure

[orcinus_theoriginal]

You can't retire. We have another game to play.

No I might as well do it now there is nothing worth playing for after this game I mean like I can finish happily on this high note

Also lmao Cabd 'quick skim'

[orcinus_theoriginal]

2 has the 2nd highest post count holy mother of god

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orci, you're leaving for a while for school right?

WHatcha gonna be?

Nah burnout mostly

Can someone do me a favor. Ill be on my phone for much of the day but I really want to scummy nominate Bork for excellent moderation (also bork game)

Ill do if when I get home if not but y'know strike while the iron is hot

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I was so worried in this game d1 because so many people were just bleeding town

Varsoon lynch was actually incredibly bad, he was soooooo town oh my god

Someone like nacho said "you can't fake that kind of crazy"

And you really cant

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Wait, like what the fuck do I have to do with that quote chain at all to be mentioned here? I've been staying quiet as to not "Spread wifom" (because god knows none of you would trust my reads until I die anyways), but still: What am I missing that I'm involved here?

I've got this one.

bure bure bure bure
Your axle is shaking

reads as an attempt to pull people off your wagon to pile on his. He's giving himself up in your defense. The only motivation I can see for that is that he knows your role and it's more important than his. Since a good many people see both you guys as scum, logic would be you have a scum PR.

I really hope AJ is a scum PR.

Also, do you -really- think I'm trying to make myself a lynch target when I've got a vote on AJ?

Your play this game advocates a(n)

( ) insightful ( ) interesting (X) uncommon ( ) crazy

approach to fighting scum. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from meta to meta.)

(X) Scum can use it as a blank check to hide.
(X) It is just as likely to get false positives.
(X) It violates the mod’s rules.
(X) It will get townies killed
(X) It requires scum to be stupid
( ) It does not account for the closed nature of the setup
(X) Your solution speculates at the setup
(X) The townbloc won’t put up with it
(X) Requires too much cooperation from scum
( ) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(X) The town cannot afford the risk.
(X) Scum will see it coming ten miles away
(X) Anyone could fake the result they want

Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Rules expressly prohibiting it
( ) Lack of confirmed townies
( ) Timezones
( ) Ease of planning a response in advance assuming scum daychat
( ) Asshats
(X) Nobody trusts you
(X) Unpopularity of new gambits
(X) The existence of already successful scumhunting tactics
(X) Susceptibility of newbtown to fall for it as well
(X) Willingness of players to give you a chance
(X) People who hate your play
(X) Scum safeclaims given by mod
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
(X) It could just as easily be WIFOM
( ) Ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever
been shown practical
(X) Any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
(X) Flavor Gambits suck
(X) Why should we have to trust you and your methods?
( ) Incompatiblity with the current player base
(X) Feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
(X) Revealing info does nothing but assist scum
( ) Killing them that way is not slow and painful enough

Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

( ) Sorry dude, but I don't think it would work.
(X) This is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

prohawk I had high hopes when you subbed in. if there was one person on the site I could have picked to fill the spot you would be it.

plz don't be mad at nacho. he hates everything right now.

nacho <3 <3 <3

I think all 3 teams played really well this game.

cabd, the only person in my town bloc who was scum was orc and he was awsum.

Mollie

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think your list was the best post if the game

And there were a lot of posts

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orci, you're leaving for a while for school right?

WHatcha gonna be?

Nah burnout mostly

Can someone do me a favor. Ill be on my phone for much of the day but I really want to scummy nominate Bork for excellent moderation (also bork game)

Ill do if when I get home if not but y'know strike while the iron is hot

Done

Go nth! http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5137364

You are a wonderful person

[orcinus_theoriginal]

,,|,,

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Sound of Silence:

We never shut up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

metal sonic

wtf

why'd you get yourself banned

[orcinus_theoriginal]

you selfish bitch

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i just realized that xenogears would've been perfect to debut the fery/buldermar/orcinus hydra

eh wtv

[orcinus_theoriginal]

quite unfortunately i'm pretty sure that it was your overmodding that damaged this game, not metal sonic

[orcinus_theoriginal]

but it's okay i guess you did what you needed to do, i actually would've thought that the game should've been suspended until metal sonic came back, but whatever, satisfying finish i suppose