Yeah, I'm gonna ignore this game for a while.In post 992, Sajin wrote:I wish you guys would cool it a little bit. 40 pages already is a little much and I need a while to sift through it all. Give me a bit.
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You just scumslipped.In post 1356, TheReverend wrote:Ok I was going to decide whether to claim miller or not after I'd read, but I see my predecessor already has.
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Your predecessor claimed Miller Tracker before he went out. I could see you claiming Miller as town Miller Tracker, sure. I could not see you playing the whole "I don't care if I'm lynched today" if you were also a power role on top of the miller aspect, though. I also didn't like that you had excuses for the late Miller claim after replacing in."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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ugh can't sleep yet. waiting for something. i guess i'll read to pass the time.
So?In post 1011, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Nacho, you've really never specified your read on me.
yeah.In post 1047, Mac wrote:also feels like a major townslip.
booooIn post 1050, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:²: If it's ok, I'm going to read ² as one person and not two separate people. Same goes for Beast. ² is scum to me because he reads TD as scum with little to no base and seems to be ignoring TD's more towny posts.
Aj The Epic: Null-Scum. I perceive AtE in #945 but that's pretty much it.
Andrius: Null, lack of posts.
BeautyAndTheBeast: Town. Reading well and catching things and no scumreads as of yet.
BROseidon: No reads as of yet.
Cabd: Null-Scum, mainly for not specifying reads in #931.
dntfkingcare: Null, lack of posts.
Ghostlin: After an ISO after Varsoon's read, scummy.
GuyInFreezer: Town. No scumreads. I like you asking questions.
jon_h61: no posts.
Mac: Town for the most part, but look at his #811, #821, and #831. Detailed analysis AJ is scummy, waits for nacho to vote, then says he's "considering" voting as well?!?!?
Metal Sonic: Null (no posts)
orcinus_theoriginal: Town. No scumreads, and acts and reads town.
RachMarie: Agree with Mac's #1010. Seems to be ignoring large portions of the game.
Sajin: Null.
Svenskt Stål: Active lurking, seemingly. Active early on but quieter now. Lingering scumreads from the claim and such.
Nachomamma8: Null. Towny early in game, but I feel a little less so about that.
TiphaineDeath: Town, scummy early in game, but did a 180
TMTOLBTWNTOF: No comment
Varsoon: Null, I'm finding it hard to read him.
keep going, this isn't nearly enough
I have two sure scumreads.In post 1058, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I will unleash high hell
To get this fucker varsoon lynched
Just look how inconsistent all his reads are
And oh my fucking lord this ghostlin push
Just
Nfkeood
GUYS
If you try to derail them both, this game will reach 200 pages.
I also will never lynch you.In post 1114, Andrius wrote:Careful, the last time you made a promise like this it didn't hold.
But seriously, keep me to that promise please because i'm usually right when i say things like that >.>
I think he's waaaaaay townier here.In post 1199, Aj The Epic wrote:And you say I don't know you. I've played a very recent game against you as part as a hydra, you were exactly the same.
awwwIn post 1207, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
stfu aj that game is still ongoingIn post 1202, Aj The Epic wrote:Fire (with Nacho)
there's no way in hell he's scumIn post 1284, ² wrote:Also, you and Nacho nailed Mac that other game IIRC. It would be nice to know what the two of you think of him this game."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
8. Ghostlin
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon
I'm not lynching any of these people. Most of them I'm not lynching ever, but there's too many people in here for me to actually say that. I would like everyone in this list to focus in on each other if they aren't comfortable with each other, though."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I agree with this. I used the words "scum slip" because I wanted to get an immediate response. I still find the slot scummy, though.In post 1455, Ghostlin wrote:I don't buy Nacho's assertion that it's a scum slip. What I think happened is he got to Page 1, decided to confirm the Miller part of the role before going forward and finding the Tracker part."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I don't like that you finding something is hinged on me finding you scum because that's bullshit. You don't need room.In post 983, ² wrote:4) I can see why you're thinking this, but turn the table for a moment. What would your reaction be if I ignored all of your questions and instead continued with finding scum? I'm pretty sure you'd assert that I would be trying to direct attention away from me. I trust that f and I will be able to find something if you'll just calm yourself and at least entertain the possibility that you're wrong with your current read.
I know this. I'm not quite convinced that the reaction afterwards was coming from buldermar-town, though.In post 983, ² wrote:10) Alright, I can see that this is really bothering you. Here is how I remember it, but I might mix up details because I really didn't consider it that important. I was talking to f about reads on gchat. I read both of TP and Cabd as scum. I read a post in which you said one or both of them was obv town and I asked you about one of them. When I asked you about your reasoning for thinking that person was town, I thought we were talking about the other person, so when I went to ISO the person I was actually ISO'ing the other person. This should all be confirmable if you reread. It's better that you do it yourself because a) I don't want to and b) if I'm doing it, you're just going to think I selectively quote certain posts or something similar.
This slip shows that he's at least looking, which I appreciate and get a townread from.In post 1001, Cabd wrote:Also i'd like to redact anything I said about TMTOFETC regarding meta because I just realized that the game is still technically ongoing, and I apologize for that. Sorry all.
I know how to deal with these two, don't worry.In post 1006, Sajin wrote:@Nacho You are being to obvious with what your doing here. Thus no effect.
This post is even townier than all of GiF's other posts.In post 1009, GuyInFreezer wrote:Ghostlin don't steal my thunder.
Go have fun with your other scumreads.
Varsoon is mine.
It's a HARSH fucking townslip, especially since we can waltz on over to Cabd's site whenever the hell we like and double check what he's talking about. He is town, town, town.
Why would he as scum, considering you lynched him last time and he was town...?In post 1071, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:/And varsoon has played with me before so why would he use that to incriminate me/
The fact I'm pushing him as scum, probably.In post 1087, GuyInFreezer wrote:@TMT: tell me what you don't like about nacho.
okieIn post 1418, Metal Sonic wrote:help me understand why he's on your town list(and I, not)
Please stop doing this. I recently started reading you as town, and it hurts that you do things like this to me.In post 1452, TheReverend wrote:I understand why my slot is a problem for you guys. But you have to ask why as scum sven would first of all claim miller, then full claim miller-tracker for no apparant reason, and why I would come in and say stuff like "tracker role sucks" without having the means to back my comment up. I'm a lot more careful, at least I try to be, when scum. I tend to be haphazard when town, because I just post what I think and don't worry about how it's perceived by town. When scum, I read back my posts to try and make sure I'm not fucking up. Of course, this is self-meta, which isn't of any use to anyone who doesn't know my game. But jiffy is aware of my town game, and he knows I can be all over the place."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I liked this. Paranoia of miller claims is good, and he's attacking Sven for forcing things into absolutes, which was one of orc's points and shows me he DOES have reasoning that speaks to him. Weak town lean.In post 69, Cabd wrote:Pretty much my thoughts as well. Forcing it into Black or White is really bad when Gray exists. I've also seen plenty of wolves claim miller and make it to a win in endgame, sooo...
I know for a fact that scum were sitting back while the Sven thing happened. This observation makes sense since it was only a few loud people railroading against Sven, and I don't think that Cabd-scum would feel the need to call out his buddies that quickly. Slight town lean.In post 76, Cabd wrote:If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.
And when I poked him a little bit, he expressed frustration which is nice because he DID take a position and he wasn't afraid to respond aggressively and point out to me and show that he did. Trajectory on this is pretty good too; he calls out Sven for his miller claim, makes an observation to cover his bases, someone misreps him and he's a little frustrated so he responds with sarcasm. Moderate town lean.In post 82, Cabd wrote:Oh wow, Nacho, you've got me. I''m sitting back and taking no sides on this, I definitely didn't already vote for sven and voice an opinion.
I liked that he called Sven out for not being around, and I like his pokes on Sven because this was the point when Sven was unresponsive and pitiful. Slight town lean.In post 106, Cabd wrote:I just dislike excuses made on the fly where somebody claims "oh I can't post" and then they post anyways. Chalk it up to my own personal meta if you wish, but town doesn't do that.
His interest in this point is strange, but shows independent thought. He's trying to get a grasp on whether something is an inside joke or serious and he refuses to let it go; mollie did this with me earlier when I tried to dismiss her with a "buldermar would understand". Strong town lean.In post 265, Cabd wrote:In post 169, Cabd wrote:Is there some past history about policying rach that I'm not aware of?
I liked his responses in this exchange between him and I. Click the post link and read it; don't want to quote the whole thing here. I usually find AtE as something easy to pick up on and attack people for, and I thought that his responses to this sounded genuine and were consistent with the type of AtE he finds scummy. Moderate town lean.In post 936, Cabd wrote:
(Assuming you're talking to me)In post 935, Nachomamma8 wrote:What do you think of 2's AtE?
You'll have to point it out, I must have missed it in the sea of 2 posts when reading.
This shows Cabd's follow up skills. He didn't know why people found TMTOLBTWNTOF scummy, didn't get a satisfactory answer when he questioned on it, figured it out himself. It wasn't accurate, but yeah I really liked the mindset behind this one. STRONG town lean.In post 988, Cabd wrote:I think everyone reading TMTOF ETCWTF as scum are basing it upon his past game where he did a similar kind of early posting, but eh.
Town. As. Fuck.In post 1046, Cabd wrote:My home site allows talking with your scum team in any method you wish, and gtalk is the most popular method. This was before somebody clarified that you are not allowed to do that here. I read it as "X told Y over gtalk to pick up their game" until it was clarified. So not a scumslip.
Cabd faking this as scum requires him picking up on that comment, ignoring all of the hydras in the game, and picking up on an opportunity to townslip based on his previous site's meta. No way in hell this is faked, considering if he was scum before this point, he would show absolutely no foresight like this. STRONG STRONG STRONG town read.
And because I can be very, very paranoid, I followed up on his scumgame to see if I would pick up on it.In post 1212, Cabd wrote:Re: People who wondered how to read me
Most Recent Completed Scum Game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0&start=25
Most Recent Completed Town Game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=25373
Still no foresight, attacked people for being anti-town and not being scummy.
And, as a bonus, he pushes a scumslip with a shit ton of fake aggression in that game because it was fake. In this game, he pointed out the scumslip, asked us to verify, but would have pushed the hell out of it if we said "oh wow good catch". Also strong townread. In addition, he's a hell of a lot more waffly this game, follows up on his own lines as opposed to "he's lurking. he did this anti-town thing". Also a STRONG town lean based on meta.
Hence his role in the town block. TD next, I think?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Will do.In post 1463, Sajin wrote:You do it to yourself. Fine you can be town. Do me a favor and get varsoon to answer my case while I am gone for memorial day weekend.
no just don't self-meta because it's stupidIn post 1464, TheReverend wrote:Shall I just float by and say nothing? I couldn't give a crap if people read me as scum, it's not like I'm expecting to make lylo. People will know I'm town before it matters.
It's strange. I think I feel more confident in AJ scum, but they could be scum together.In post 1465, GuyInFreezer wrote:@Nacho: what do you think of AJ, your scumread, pushing TMT, your other scumread?
I'm gonna push 2 who I'm sure is scum and we'll see how I feel about those two after that."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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yeah, but that was way fucking late in the game and i'm seeing different things completely here.
my experience with buldey is also a lot different than it is now; his playstyle is pretty powerfully different."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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This +In post 810, Nachomamma8 wrote:
This is TD's response to orc asking him to vote Sven. While he could have sheeped, could have said "ok, cool", he looked through the thread again, found a better vote. Yeah, it's strange that he's voting for me and not for orc, but I like that he at least made an attempt on independent thought.In post 52, TiphaineDeath wrote:Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.
I thinkvote Nachois better really.
Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.
Then, when I bring up evidence pointing out that yeah, fake miller claims happen, TD backs down completely. No fuss, no talk, no complaints. I liked that the unvote came so clean and so immediately; normally when scum get called out on something like that, there's a little more complaining before they drop it.
orc tells him to vote, he tells orc no.In post 168, TiphaineDeath wrote:not feelin' it, I'll get to back to you with a vote when I am .
fuck that.
Vote doesn't come from pressure. It might be a not that original vote, but I definitely wouldn't call it a bad one. The WIFOM shitstorm that Sven generated from "I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do this" is pretty solid.In post 278, TiphaineDeath wrote:My thought process here is pretty simple guys, I voted nacho because he felt opportunistic springing on something I'd never seen happen before, but have seen scum try to get a lynch out of. He proved me wrong, so I unvoted. Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.
vote sven
That being said, I don't really mind votes on him; he just seems like a slow start player in general, so I'll be much more interested in things once he posts his catchup.
HEYIn post 901, TiphaineDeath wrote:Now that I'm done yelling at the people voting me, maybe I can worry about the rest of this stupid thread.
I'll admit to some amount of skimming here, I'm doing my best to read it all, but honestly a day and a half for this much is not reasonable. My best work comes from re-reads anyway so I'll work with what I've got for now. Aside from the sven scumishness two things stand out to me from the rest of this, post number 588, and 742.
FUCK YOU GUYS
I AM TOWN, HERE IS MY THOUGHT PROCESS
ALSO I AM SKIMMING
TD's getting a lot of heat at this point, and the natural scum thought process is either to be pandering to everybody and answer the case on you in a well-reasoned way, let me defend him and hope that people buy it, or make up a shitty catchup post and defend yourself best you could. TD made a strong defense post, was like "I'm skimming but I'm doing my best", found scumreads, attacked them. I really, really like this post.
I also liked this a lot. I've had a scumread on 2 for a while, I'm defending the shit out of him, TD dismisses my read nonchalantly. Slight town lean.In post 920, TiphaineDeath wrote:Town rage by 2.
The "I won't lurk" response to me giving TD shit read very genuine on me, as did #1434 (his iso #17). In particular, "I won't lurk x.x" is his response to me telling him to "lurk so I can defend him" is pretty fucking nice; I'm giving him a free pass and he's just like "lol, no". That's a very strong indication of a town mindset.In post 962, TiphaineDeath wrote:I will not lurk X_X.
No actually varsoon if you had continued to push me after that post of mine I would have felt much less certain of my read on you.
See when I specifically tell you doing something would be omgus, i.e something generally considered anti town and bad, if you are willing to do it anyway that probably means your read is real and you honestly believe me to be scum. When I confront you with that obvious setback and you drop it, it feels like either your read was weak in the first place or your read was fake. I'm going for option two here.
I look at timestamps too, I noticed this same exact thing.In post 1401, TiphaineDeath wrote:12:17 A.M (I'll Iso Tiphaine)
12:18 A.M (Ok, I just isoed tiphaine)
Yeah, no.
vote metal sonic
I very much liked this post.
In post 1217, TiphaineDeath wrote:I quite honestly have no idea what is being discussed here, and suspect about half the playerlist is with me X_x.
Feeling alone, feeling ignored, more of a town mindset than anything. See: GiF and his "I feel alone" posts. It's a hard game to get involved with as town because of the mollie-me pushing 2 as scum for mostly meta reasons, but the fact that he is still pushing, still trying to get something done and picking up on good things is a good sign.In post 1434, TiphaineDeath wrote:I feel ignored X_x."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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i'll talk about past experiences in a minuteIn post 1486, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
I am not seeing what I am seeing in the jerome thing either that is what makes me hesitant and would rather lynch ajIn post 1480, Nachomamma8 wrote:yeah, but that was way fucking late in the game and i'm seeing different things completely here.
my experience with buldey is also a lot different than it is now; his playstyle is pretty powerfully different.
but his scum meta has evolved since then; did you check out the link to BSG earlier?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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No, but look at how he handles pushing ffery/Nero."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Next, Rach. I'm heavily relying on a game here since I read her wrong in Popcorn, but am figuring out where I went wrong with that specific read.
First of all, the read on me.In post 376, RachMarie wrote:Played with Nacho loads and so far he feels pretty much his town meta.... Though he does have a tendency to replace into scum slots LOL... but yeah feels towny to me.In post 573, RachMarie wrote:Ok guys n gals Nacho is definitely hitting my towndar...
Read progression here is very natural. She had the townread on me originally, which is an easy one to pick up on which was exactly the situation in popcorn mafia. Then, she follows up on read later, strengthens it. Ending has me as solid town, no more waffling.In post 1149, RachMarie wrote:So far Town reads : Nacho, Andy, B n B. Orc,
Now look at Popcorn. Similar situation, this is literally the only time she gave a read on me and I was town as all hell. No development, no trajectory, none.In post 547, RachMarie wrote:I definitely want to hear more from Nacho, he does have a strong record of replacing into scum slots....
Also, it took her 22 posts in Popcorn to come up with a read, and her strongest scumread was on obvtown for "trolling". None of her reads had any sort of trajectory at all, and she just lurked through the game and coasted by on me defending her until she just stopped posting and I started dropping the townread. Here, she's been aggressive with reads, is asking relevant questions, is calling out OTHER people for inactivity... This is not anything close to her scumgame at all, and if she is town I will happily eat several hats until a hole forms in my stomach and I die from internal bleeding."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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hell noIn post 1419, GuyInFreezer wrote:@nacho: out of those lists I probably want to focus on cabd/TD/mac.
Tbh I think town mac and scum mac are same ;-;
in poetic justice he was a waffly piece of crap and here his posting is AWESOME"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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You'll find wagon analysis won't be as reliable when so much of the conversation has been dominated by us. Scum is not going to pick a side in this argument until they know what the fuck is going on. What do you think of my townblock (if I added you)?In post 1519, ² wrote:Nacho, what do you think of my wagon analysis? (if you can put aside your idea of us being scum for just a moment and look at it)
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I liked this. It was an unpopular position, and it shows another form of independent thought.In post 161, Mac wrote:Reading page 2 at the moment. Sven is pretty town: his reasoning is solid. He is NOT wrong in saying that even if someone claims Miller, if they are universally town read they will probably be killed, regardless of claiming Miller.
usually when scum finds antitown shit like this, they go crazy on it. Mac did not.
I think the progression on this read great. Initially found Varsoon scummy, sees him attack an obvtown player he was afraid to attack before, has a little residue paranoia because he's unfamiliar with a scumgame.In post 691, Mac wrote:I liked orc for town early on and think I still do. players like nacho, mollie & co are probably a lot better at reading him than I am but so far he's playing pretty similar to the poetic justice game that finished not long back. however I am unaware of his scum game as of yet so I'm not sure how comparable his town game is to his scum game.
that said, your attack is pretty brave since he's been townread by alot of players so far. does that make you town? possibly, it's very putting-yourself-out-there and it's not something I'd expect from scum. however I don't know your scum game. do you have any completed scum games I can take a look at?
super fucking genuine.In post 698, Mac wrote:actually that's a dumb question and should be ignored.
I don't think that Mac would be this open about his thought process as scum, especially when he's facing off against the same group that just nailed him earlier
And this is very, very solid. He's seeing things he could easily attack, picking up on it, throwing them on the table for observation and not attacking them.In post 811, Mac wrote:TD wagon.. hard to tell with TD. his sven vote is stupid and his "everyone hates me " post is stupid but I can't differentiate that between scum/dumb town play at the moment. Aj's vote on TD is a big misrep too, TD did not vote Nacho because "no scum would ever claim miller" but because Nacho felt opportunistic. I mean, yeah sure that is SO far from the truth about Nacho but that's a big stretch of a misrep. since then, Aj has tunneled the shit out of him and apparently believes TD is "conf scum" but how he came to this conclusion is anyone's guess.
TD, check the timestamps on this one. He saw my vote, was like "yeah, I was thinking the same thing", ISO'ed AJ, voted. I see no reason for a posture that you're gonna turn into a stance 15 minutes later, so this felt good to me.
I tunneled the fuck out of him in Poetic Justice, as did Marangal. None of his responses looked anything like this.In post 990, Mac wrote:I get the feeling ghost is tunneling me. like hell I'm "agreeing with nacho to look town." fucking ridiculous reasoning. Apparently to ghost alot of my posts "look town" but I'm still scum. I'm bored of him tunneling me already.
This backs my original thought up, and the fact that he was like "no, that's not happened but even if it did I wouldn't give a shit". Beautiful.In post 996, Mac wrote:
just because nacho voted before me, doesn't mean I was waiting for him. regardless, nacho's a strong town read of mine so I'd feel pretty comfortable with him anyway.In post 945, Aj The Epic wrote: Mac's vote looks bad. He presents a well thought-out case on me, then waits for Nacho to vote. I've got to run to work (I just needed to catch up before you guys let loose the flood gates) so I'll respond more to his post later.
Fucking awesome trajectory in this vote, ffery back me up on this one.In post 1338, Mac wrote:
no. no it's not? you are usually an aggresive player and not afraid to throw out a scumread. you spent most of poetic justice preaching to the high heavens about how Majiffy was correctly scum. now, your scumreads are tenative, and you are making an effort to discredit me by lumping me in with mollie's sheeping which is completely untrue.In post 1335, ² wrote:
You're going to have to examplify this, because I don't see it, and it looks a bit like a silly excuse to sheep mollie's tunneling.In post 1318, Mac wrote:why are you hanging fire?
I still don't think that should effect how cautious buldermar is. it's out of character.
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I am more than comfortable with this now.
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I'm literally too tired to explain another townread.In post 1521, ² wrote:Why is Varsoon town?
But I can urge you to join me on this:
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I'm excited for this. I'm going to wait for this. Meanwhile I'm going to keep working on my town block.In post 1572, ² wrote:Other games have calmed down for now. I'm going to spend tonight pretty much exclusively reviewing this game.
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I'd trust you but I need a minute to recalibrate considering you fucked my read of them to hell and backIn post 1577, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:@ nacho & mac
what would you do if I told you that I was now 95% certain that 2 is scum and that aj is their scumbuddy? would you trust it?
i was reading buldey as scum until very recently where you were like "no. i don't see what you see." and now you are going to a 95% read
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Mac, here's Rach.In post 1492, Nachomamma8 wrote:Next, Rach. I'm heavily relying on a game here since I read her wrong in Popcorn, but am figuring out where I went wrong with that specific read.
First of all, the read on me.In post 376, RachMarie wrote:Played with Nacho loads and so far he feels pretty much his town meta.... Though he does have a tendency to replace into scum slots LOL... but yeah feels towny to me.In post 573, RachMarie wrote:Ok guys n gals Nacho is definitely hitting my towndar...
Read progression here is very natural. She had the townread on me originally, which is an easy one to pick up on which was exactly the situation in popcorn mafia. Then, she follows up on read later, strengthens it. Ending has me as solid town, no more waffling.In post 1149, RachMarie wrote:So far Town reads : Nacho, Andy, B n B. Orc,
Now look at Popcorn. Similar situation, this is literally the only time she gave a read on me and I was town as all hell. No development, no trajectory, none.In post 547, RachMarie wrote:I definitely want to hear more from Nacho, he does have a strong record of replacing into scum slots....
Also, it took her 22 posts in Popcorn to come up with a read, and her strongest scumread was on obvtown for "trolling". None of her reads had any sort of trajectory at all, and she just lurked through the game and coasted by on me defending her until she just stopped posting and I started dropping the townread. Here, she's been aggressive with reads, is asking relevant questions, is calling out OTHER people for inactivity... This is not anything close to her scumgame at all, and if she is town I will happily eat several hats until a hole forms in my stomach and I die from internal bleeding."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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orc, this right here is my babyIn post 1414, Nachomamma8 wrote:3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
8. Ghostlin
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
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18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon
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like i usually let you read ffery when she is in game but you honestly can't go back and forth so much because it fries the shit out of my scumdarIn post 1586, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I'd trust you but I need a minute to recalibrate considering you fucked my read of them to hell and backIn post 1577, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:@ nacho & mac
what would you do if I told you that I was now 95% certain that 2 is scum and that aj is their scumbuddy? would you trust it?
i was reading buldey as scum until very recently where you were like "no. i don't see what you see." and now you are going to a 95% read
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It's not his not-town game that I'm focused on; it's his scumgame.In post 1551, ² wrote:but, to the extent I could discern a difference, it seems to be maybe lack of focus in terms of what he reacts to/presses on. he won at endgame as an arsonist in a recent game, which I thought was a hell of a game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27065"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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ok then find the scum in the block.In post 1591, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Problems with TD, and maybe we should cut it down to our six strongest. There's almost certainly scum in a block that big
I've explained my townread on TD; where do you disagree?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It was the exact same in Popcorn Mafia; literally no one doubted me for a second except for her.In post 1590, Mac wrote:why did I not see that?
& what do you make of 1491?
and she doesn't even explain her read on you and I think it would be suicide for any scum to not read you as town.
I want to sheep you but that just seems weak.
I'm going to get you one more point, but I have to do a little research to see if recent scumgame fucked it up."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Also, please trust me on Andrius. Please.In post 1591, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Oh wrt town block
You, BB, GiF, Mac, Cabd, BRO,
Problems with TD, and maybe we should cut it down to our six strongest. There's almost certainly scum in a block that big"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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once you drop this thought, you'll be a much better town playerIn post 1597, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:But seriously I have town reads on too many people already I have to be wrong about something
drop it now. be right about everything."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I've done more reading for this game then I've ever done in a game in my life.In post 1600, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I need to start viewing some of my town reads with more skepticism and you do too"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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If you're not comfortable, talk about my reads. Where have I gone wrong? Which ones are you the least confident with? Why?In post 1604, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
I'm still not comfortable enough with a eleven person townbloc, sorryIn post 1601, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I've done more reading for this game then I've ever done in a game in my life.In post 1600, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I need to start viewing some of my town reads with more skepticism and you do too
I'm pretty sure those six (plus me seven) are town though, so can we start there and add people to the block as necessary
I don't care if you don't accept them, I just want you to find the weak points and attack them."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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It's not.In post 1606, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I know you are not going to like this but I really do think the 4th one is andy."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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Again, going to take another step back. I feel good about the town block.
AJ is scum. 2 is scum. TMT is scum. MS could be scum, Rev could be scum."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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i supposeIn post 1611, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:the only one I think you are wrong about it andy. do you want to ask me why"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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yes, you can dieIn post 1617, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks this is suuuuuper scummyIn post 1461, TheReverend wrote:Ok jon is clearly not scum, unless he's deliberately being quiet so he can pretend to have forgotten the game. No-one forgets a game in which they're scum.
Also GIF did you ask me a question that I did not answer
Also did anyone else ask me a question that I did not answer"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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I won't be alive that long.In post 1621, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:plz lynch in the order of aj <--- rev <--- and then hopefully you will get to the point where you will want to lynch andy. you don't have to vote him just keep the focus."Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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god damnitIn post 1632, GuyInFreezer wrote:@Nacho: You say after I'm done with Varsoon, you would share the town thing that is not fake-able. Are you gonna do this soon or are you gonna wait till later?"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten
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