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You shouldn't be offended. When there's nothing better to do on day 1, there's nothing wrong, stratigically or morally, with voting for the person you think is the weakest player in order to help your side. Now, I don't think you're a weak player, personally, and I don't especally like the bandwagon on you, but you shouldn't get offended or threaten to leave the game because of it; it's just part of the game.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Not at all. I didn't know you felt that way. I respect your feelings, as unflattering as they may be. But I don't play this game to ruin other player's experience of it. With two players that wish me off on factors outside the boundaries of this game, I am happier to withdraw so that you can all have a better quality experience. It's my choice.Mastermind of Sin wrote:i hope you're not trying to put me on a guilt trip or anything...
No hard feelings. You all have fun. I'm OK. Carry on.
On that note,unvote,vote:Fritzer. I know he loves to bandwagon, but that vote just seemed beyond the pale.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um, no; this is now a discussion relevent to this current mafia game, at least as some people seem to be going for the "Day 1 lynch the bad player" stratagy and as it relates to BJ's vote for you. So discussions in PM are not approperate, I don't think, unless you and BJ are allowed to PM each other. Otherwise, you have to have this discussion in thread.Max wrote:
I don't actually remember this (PM me the link please)BJ wrote:vote Max
Forgot about his little stunt in an earlier game hammering HIMSELF when he was the fucking cop.
Besides, I'd like to see this link as well; if nothing else, sounds like a funny game.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I understand the viper bandwagon. Viper has not been helpful to the town this game, and in fact, he almost never is helpfull to the town with his play, so he's probably not a bad day 1 lynch. However, this post looked odd to me.
You're voting viper because he was "a little defensive"? He hasn't even given any kind of real response to the people voting for him at all, he hasn't even tried to defend himself yet. Your vote makes no sense to me, and when someone jumps onto a fast growing bandwagon with a vote that makes no sense, I wonder if they're scum going for an easy lynch.mlaker wrote:I'm just saying that I barely looked at this game and forgot about it. What with MeMeMeet and all. I'd like to find a good vote but I don't really see any, is it a correct assumption that the Viper bandwagon is for lurking? And if it is for lurking then why not me as Fritzler stated or any other lurker. After the initial wagon it seemed to me that Viper a little defensive. It seems a solid choice at the moment.Vote Viper
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Huh?SpamWise wrote:Holy crap, I think we've done something bad wagoning viper (if my supposition about his role is correct)
Not sure why you would make a post like this...if you think viper's pro-town, and you think he's given some hint about his role (I don't see it, but whatever), then why would you draw attention to it, instead of just putting it in your notes and keeping it under your hat? Why would you give hints to the possible role of some other player you think is pro-town?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Max wrote:I think anyone still looking at peoples names should be lynchedunvote:mlaker
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I still don't like Mlarker's early scummy looking vote for viper, but I'll give his replacement a chance to respond before I push that bandwagon any farther for the moment. For now, I think I'll vote Max, for trying to get several people lynched for making a huge deal about what was pretty clearly either a joke or a mostly-random vote, depending on the person, neither of which is really an anti-town activity on day 1.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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He said he was jumping on the viper wagon because viper was being "a little defensive", but viper hadn't defended himself at all. It looked to me like he was using craplogic to come up with an excuse to jump onto a fast moving bandwagon.Bogre wrote:Okay, after re-reading, please explain why tmklakers vote for viper was scummy. I'm open to arguments.
Otherwise, I'm not getting a real good read on anyone yet, so I'm considering an unvote right now, but I'll keep it there for a while yet.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Yes, he asked about the reasons other people were bandwagoning viper, but then voted for him anyway. That dosn't make him feel better about him.
And several people vote for him because they seemed to agree with me that it was a scummy looking post. How does that make you/him look any better?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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When I asked you to share, I was hoping you'd give some example of which posts you found scummy; you know, quote the posts and say why they're scummy. Or are you trying to not commit yourself to anything solid?viper0933 wrote:
People are all over the place saying things are scummy, and it seems unnatural before the triple-vote.Yosarian2 wrote:
Ok..care to share what, exactally, you think is scummy?viper0933 wrote:Oh. My. God. It seems like at least every other post is scummy nowadays o_o.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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One problem I have about spamwise is this. He said this:
But then he kept his vote on viper for another 4 days, only removing it because "the bandwagon was stalled."SpamWise wrote:Holy crap, I think we've done something bad wagoning viper (if my supposition about his role is correct)
If I suddenly came to the conlcusion I might be bandwagoning a pro-town power role and wanted to avoid the person having to claim, I'd just quietly unvote or move my vote without making a big deal about it. Spamwise did just the opposite; made a big deal about it (perhaps to fish for viper's role?) but keeping his vote there anyway.
It's also interesting to note that while spamwise loved the viper wagon and the max wagon, the one wagon he has avoided is the mlarker wagon. He never even commented on it at all, and neither bogre or mlarker ever said anything about him, which makes me wonder if they might be scumbuddies (although I realize I'm getting pretty speculitive here).
Spamwise, what do you think about the Bogre/Mlarker wagon? Bogre, what do you think about the Spamwise wagon?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Yeah, agreed.mystery meat of doom wrote:Unvote, vote: Bogre. Reasons as everyone else has said.
Spamwise struck me as scummy with that comment about "Vipers wagon stalling because his scumbuddies haven't jumped on".FOS: Spamwise
If Bogre, or anyone else, has any other reasons or claims or arguments why he shouldn't be lynched, or why someone else should be lynched instead, speak now or forever hold your peace.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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(shrug) Spamwise is still my #2 suspect. But I'd still rather just lynch Bogre.ibaesha wrote:unvote; vote spamwise
This game is dragging, if we're not lynching Bogre, I definately haven't seen any reason not to pressure spamwise.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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First of all, I got confused with the switching of offices, but how do you know that Jack Johnson's office was that of a vanillia townie?lordy wrote:I suspect the moving of offices has to do with the moving of roles.
As such, if im correct, ibby is now a cute little townie.
Awwww.
Second of all, if you do know that for some non-public reason, why would you share that information with the scum?
And third of all, if I understand the nature of the game and if you are right that Jack Johnson's office was empty, that dosn't mean she's a vanillia townie; it just means she's a vanillia townieif she's a good guy. Alignments and abilites are supposed to be completlly unlinked in this game.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um, you do understand why it's suspicious that you tried to out a vanillia townie, no matter if your reasoning was correct or not, right?lordy wrote:Actually, no I messed up the offices. Im thinking of the fact that offices determine your role based on my role pm.
And who was in ibby's office resterday? Spamwise.
Vote: ibby
I was merely voicing my theory, and you guys had a nice jump, so
MajorHandOfSuspision: Spamwise.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Lordy still hasn't answered the key question I asked him, either.
If you thought she was a vanillia townie, why would you say so in the thread? Whatever your reasoning was for thinking that (and I've got to say I still don't at all understand the logic behind your speculations), that's an inherently anti-town move; saying "I think X is a vanillia townie" is bad for the town if you're right, and looks like a fishing attempt either way, as how a person responds to a comment like that often shows if they're pro-town or not. It makes me wonder if you're the one blowing up offices (IE:roles) and trying to figure out which offices have the power roles like cop and doc so you can blow them up.
And then, when that was pointed out, instead of answering my questions, you suddenly voted for her when you had just said you thought she was a vanillia townie. Yes, of course she voted for you; you made an anti-town move. Your OMGUS vote on someone you had just said you thought was a vanillia townie makes no sense, and that was what finally convinced me to vote you.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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No one thinks you did, Lordy; Kurtz is just defending himself based on what he thought you said.lordy wrote:I DID NOT CLAIM!!!! NOR DID I CLAIM ALIGNMENT! DO YOU GUYS EVEN BOTHER TO READ MY POSTS, OR ARE YOU ALL JUST SCUM WHO JUST WANT TO CONJURE A LYNCH OUT OF YOUR ASRE SO YOU CAN MOVE ON TO NIGHT AND KILL?
Lordy, if you want to avoid being lynched, you have to chill out and answer the questions I've been asking you. You know, actually respond to the people who are accusing you, instead of flipping out over a mostly irrelevent side issue and typing in all caps that everyone who suspects you is scum.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I know what you are asking, I'm just wondering if there's any benifit to the town in me saying what role I have now, if any. Unless there's a reason to do so, no sense in letting the scum know if I'm a good target or not.Max wrote: I'm saying did your role change when you moved roomI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Again, that's not the reason people are on the Lordy bandwagon.TheCesspit wrote: As too scum? Not sure as yet. Need to think on some more. Not sure it's lordy, as he's been blasted for a claim he never made. Someone on that wagon as been trying to cast him in a bad light.
Interesting to see you defend him with that kind of crap logic, though.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Looks like it's time for me to make a lurker list.
Lurker List:
BabyJesus: Not really a lurker, he did just post on the 1’st, but does it seem to anyone else he’s not posting as much as usual? He’s only posted twice since July 11’th, and I’d like to hear more from him.
Harry_Potter: He just posted, and he did say he’d be out of town until Augest 10’th so there’s no sense prodding him. Nonetheless, even before he said that, he only posted 4 times all game, and has said almost nothing. Once he gets back, we really need to hear a lot more from him.
MrBuddyLee: Lurker. Has not posted since July 18’th. Mod, please prod him.
PookyTheMagicalBear: Lurker. Has only posted once in the past month.
bluemonick (replacing viper0933): Has only posted once since he replaced viper, and that was about a week ago.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So, you're attacking me because you don't see my logic with the bogre bandwagon yesterday?BrianMcQueso wrote:Ignoring everyone else, let's see who's bandwagonning:
Lynching Bogre:
Harry_Potter, Fritzler, BabyJesus, lordy, Yosarian2, armlx, Max, MrBuddyLee, mystery meat of doom, zu_Faul, ibaesha, Colonel Kurtz, spectrumvoid
Voting Lordy:
SpamWise, Mastermind of Sin, bluemonick, Yosarian2, BabyJesus, PookyTheMagicalBear, Fritzler
People on both lists:
Fritzler, BabyJesus, Yosarian2
Now, profiling Fritzler and BabyJesus as wild bandwagoners, that leaves Yosarian2. I realize voting Yosarian fornotbeing an excessive voter and lyncher seems silly, but there's something less tangible that bothers me about him.
In every other game I've played with Yosarian, I've tended to agree with his logic and can understand a lot of the things he does. This game, however, something seems...different. The way he's thinking doesn't really flow with me like it usually does, as if he's playing differently.
Something doesn't sit right with me, and I know it sounds stupid, but I figure it's enough to justify one vote.
vote: Yosarian2
Mlaker looked very suspicious, especally when he attacked viper for grounds that just weren't true, so I voted for him. When bogre replaced him, I backed off for a bit, but when bogre continued to look suspicious, refused to defend himself in any way other then accusing everyone who attacked him, and finally just gave up and lurked for ages with a huge bandwagon on him, yeah, I pushed for his lynch.
All you said about the bandwagon all day was this.
If you disagreed with my logic, you should have said so then.BrianMcQueso wrote:Not sure Bogre is scum.
Not really sure we could get to lynch anyone else at this point.
Not sure how a claim would help us, either.
*sigh*
As for me "not being an excessive voter and lyncher", that depends on the situation. Take a look at Himaliayn mafia, recently finished over in the New York forum. I was a townie, and I was on nearly every single bandwagon all game, townie or scum.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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The suspicious things about Lordy was that he first speculated in thread that someone else was a vanillia townie, which is something you should never do as town, then when she voted for him for that he flipped out and OMGUS voted for her back. Both are scum tells.spectrumvoid wrote: I disagree with the lordy bandwagon. What has he done to seem scummy? There was some confusion over his so-called claim, but I read that as other people misinterpretating what he originally said.
Anyway, I do think that bluemonick's post was very suspicious, and I'm considering voting him, but I'm not going to join it just yet as it's moving quite fast, I'll wait for him to try and clarify whatever it was he was trying to say in his rather bizzare last post.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um, pleanty? he's only posted 3 times. The one that looks suspicious was the one where he voted for me, for reasons that don't seem to make much sense.Masterchief wrote:Which post is that? There are plenty that are suspicious.
Anyway, I'm still wanting an answer to my other question. Why do you think the bluemonick bandwagon isn't "going to do much", and if you think so, why are you on it?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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(shrug) He was looking extremly scummy, and had completly given up defending himself, and posting all together for that matter. When I realized he had already claimed vanillia (a claim scum often do make, BTW), it seemed like there was no more reason to wait. I wasn't lynching him BECAUSE he was a vanillia townie, I was lynching him because he was either a scum or a vanillia townie who wasn't even posting to defend himself; I thought scum was more likely, but either way I was fine with it as a day 1 lynch, as a vanillia townie who's not posting is completly worthless for the town anyway.bluemonick wrote: I think these posts need to be reread and looked back on. Bogre claimed townie but yet he was still lynched by this two towards the end. Yosaiain2, that is really suspicious, you just saying, "Can we just lynch him, then?" Isnt that what a Scum wants to do, Lycnch Townies.
Besides, I have a long-standing belief that a good guy who is vanillia should NEVER claim, while for a scum it often is the best move to claim vanillia, so if someone claims vanillia on day 1 I'm generally very willing to lynch them; I'd rather lynch someone who claimes vanillia then someone who refuses to claim, especally on day 1. There was a long discussion on the subject in the mafia stratagy forum a while back where I make my beliefs on the matter clear, viewtopic.php?t=2872.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Really? Ok, who do you think looked more suspicious then bogre during day 1? Who would you have tried to get lynched instead of bogre at the point of the posts you are quoting?bluemonick wrote:
Lynch someone other than Bogre.ibaesha wrote:Bluemonick: I'm curious. You weren't present for yesterday and your predecessor contributed basically zilch.What choice do you believe you would've made had you been in the game yesterday when we were nearing deadline?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Umm...you could try, like, defending yourself? Answering questions people ask you? Acting like you might want to live or something?bluemonick wrote:
Ok Im mafia if that's what you wanna believe, nothing else seems to be working.Max wrote:What BLUE Monick says he wants to be lynched
seems scummy
I sense a claim
I don't know if you're scum or not, but if you continue to act like this, your lynch is probably inevitable.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Really? Ok, who do you think looked more suspicious then bogre during day 1? Who would you have tried to get lynched instead of bogre at the point of the posts you are quoting?bluemonick wrote:
Lynch someone other than Bogre.ibaesha wrote:Bluemonick: I'm curious. You weren't present for yesterday and your predecessor contributed basically zilch.What choice do you believe you would've made had you been in the game yesterday when we were nearing deadline?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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She. She's a she.bluemonick wrote:Because he's very Scumadeltic
And I think you're going to need to go into a bit of a better argument then that.
Anyway, you're one away from lynch. If you want to claim, the time to do it probably now.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, that could be.
The question is, is the "blows up office" thing an ability in an office somewhere, avalable to whatever scum or townie ends up in that office that night, or is it an inherent scum ability, like killing people?
Either way, I really don't think it was a pro-town move to blow up my office, and I'm very interested to find out who did it. Has anyone been moved into an office that gives you the blow-up office ability? If so, who had that office the night that the ability was used on me?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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MOS: these are the offices that have been changed, destroyed, or reopened so far.
Yaw wrote: The office of Jack Gallagher is locked up, and the rest of you retire for the night.Yaw wrote: ibaesha reassigned to Jack Johnson's office
SpamWise reassigned to Jack Quinn's office
Yosarian2, occupying Jack Xavier's office, loses office
Jack Gallagher's office opened[/b]Yaw wrote: MrBuddyLee reassigned to Jack Nelson's office
the silent speaker reassigned to Jack Fox's office
Jack Campbell's office opened[/b]I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I would guess that the office moves are most likely an ability located a few people's offices, which would mean that either town or scum could end up with the ability. Which also means that we should probably avoid power-role claims as much as possible, because if a certain office has, say, cop stuff in it, scum could quite possibly either destroy it, or switch the person out of it and leave it empty.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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From the queau thread:
So the mod said "three different layers of role will be assigned randomaly and independenlty at the beginning of the game". So I think it sounds like there's no connection between alignment and what ability you have, and that they were assigned randomaly.Yaw wrote:Your name is Jack. As a good Jack, you have the inherent ability to perform any task, as long as you have the tools to do so. You work in the offices of ACME Industries, a place with many marvellous inventions...so when killers infiltrate the office you will have to use the tools you have to drive them out.
This is the next generation of role-motive split games. Three different layers of role will be assigned randomly and independently at the beginning of the game. Even I don't know what will happen here, but it should be a fun time figuring everything out.
Makes me wonder, though...if one level is your alignment, and one level is what office you are in and what ability that gives you, I wonder what the third layer of role is he was talking about?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Baby Jesus? Pooky? You guys are in this game? Heh...I'd forgotten that either of you were playing. As I look back...Pooky's only posted 3 times since July 6th, and BJ's only posted a few times this month while saying almost nothing. You're two of the more experenced players in this game, we need to hear from both of you guys a lot more then this.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Yeah, it's occured to me that the third layer of roles might be some people who inherently have the power to destroy or rearange offices. If so, though, that would also have been assigned completly randomally and independently, so that's another set of roles that might be town controled or scum controled, no way of knowing.spectrumvoid wrote:I'm guessing the 3rd layer is blowing up offices. Just a guess though... We've been assuming that blowing up offices is due to a tool that can be found in somebody's office, what if it's independent of everything? As in, the mod just randomly chooses someone each night and asks him/her to choose an office to blow up?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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