Mafia in La-La Land (Game over!)

[Shiidaji]

Hello, feel free to call me Shii.

Vote: Mehdi

[Shiidaji]

Kay, PM is probably town.

I agree with the notion, but explain how you came to the conclusion.

The dreams' information far outweighs the damage done by outing yourself considering the size of the game, so I think claiming results in the morning'll work.

[Shiidaji]

Since you bear a '12 join-date, I assumed voting you would more probably produce a reaction which'd help me read you. (It did.)

Mehdi, have you ever played as scum?

[Shiidaji]

Unvote

It's fine. I don't see first time ScumMehdi trying to townslip by asking about the MafQTs, so.

[Shiidaji]

Not in any finished forum games. I've been scum on another site and I can link you to the two scum games I have there if wanted. I've also been scum multiple times on EM (username there is the same as here).

I asked deas since he mentioned it.

P-edit: @Deas, I personally think if someone checks a qt they'd send the confirmation then too, but it's mostly null to me then (if confirming was needed to use the qt I'd lean more on minor town tell).

How did you communicate as scum on the other site?

Also, what is your explanation for PV not confirming while online?

Vote: Deasvail

What is the point of the first question? Why are you pushing at the non-confirmed when you have people online to push already?

[Shiidaji]

Why are you scum DV

PEdit: @kondi Not always. Having mutual townreads is beneficial in dayplay, and I find it outweighs the scumkill factor as NKs are pretty formulaic.

[Shiidaji]

Ew, I forgot that the cry smiley sucks.

Now answer.

[Shiidaji]

Shii I don't understand the point of your second question when all of us are non-confirmed (and I'm one of the people online).

I'm referring to the type of confirmation that Peregrine and Darkcrimson have yet to do.

@Shii: I might have worded that wrong. Outting townreads is fine, but reasoning is a no for the most part.

Why? Explaining your thought process makes you easier to read.

[Shiidaji]

Quil why did you make Deas scum ;__; I like him.

In Page 2 Mehdi displays a lack of knowledge of the QT system. I fail to see where your line of questioning is leading to.

That's what scumreads are for.

So... You do this in your other games, yes?

[Shiidaji]

Mehdi, have you ever played as scum?

Shii, why did you ask this question?

In order to find out if Mehdi was faking her lack of knowledge of the Mafia QT system. If Mehdi has never played as scum

and

isn't scum here, she would be unaware of the confirmation/Scum QT process.

[Shiidaji]

Er, He*.

[Shiidaji]

Then why didn't you understand my questioning?

Your Post 55 comes after Mehdi had confirmed that the other site uses a different type of mafia discussion. Google Docs being provided by the mod or by fellow scum is unimportant to figuring out an alignment. Thus I think your questioning is just posturing, trying to appear town by scumhunting.

@Mehdi: That really doesn't matter as long as the player isn't under immediate suspicion. My reads usually aren't taken as important anyway.

@Shii: You mean try not to explain townreads but explain scumreads if necessary? Yes.

You want to know why they aren't taken seriously? Probably because you don't explain them. Explaining a townread and just stating that you find someone town makes no difference for the scum, but it lets townies understand and read you better.

[Shiidaji]

@kondi Not really. I doubt first time scum would come up to the game basically asking 'Hi, how do I not get lynched?'

[Shiidaji]

I thought that if the Google doc was provided by the mod, then it would be a lot like the QT system on MS in a way.

I think we're both town though. So you don't have to be sad, you just have to belieeeeeve!

You're making me doubt myself now. I'll sleep on it.

(Ha!)

[Shiidaji]

Reading through again, the thing that's still nagging in my mind is why you voted Agar over Mehdi if you were pressuring the latter?

Inox, is your vote on DV serious? Do you have a read on him?
PEdit: Hey you.

[Shiidaji]

Re: Deas at my Post 81

My vote on DV is due to meta. I don't think I've ever seen him as scum, but he's definitely not matching his meta in Destiny Mafia, which I hydra'd with him in.

That was meant for Inox, but elaborate. How is he being different here that it warranted your vote?

[Shiidaji]

Unvote

Retracting Deas read.

Ohgod Mehdi's questioning method reminds me of Me!Town when I first joined the site.

[Shiidaji]

Deas you're actually town hug me <3

I doubt Agar would be the type to tell under pressure after that obvious reaction fish, so I'll look through page 1 again for anything. Otherwise I'm stuck waiting on the other three-fourths of the playerlist to check in, as I lack scumreads at the moment.

[Shiidaji]

Shi what thing (or things) made you change your read on deas?

He answered my questions with something that I had not thought of but consider town-minded (He was basically going farther into what I was doing, trying to establish a read on you, thus we were thinking the same thing.).
Post 91 Scum!Deas would not reply with 'Nothing'. Scum in general would probably not do that, but I don't see him doing it in particular.

[Shiidaji]

Inox, do you know Deas outside of this game?

[Shiidaji]

Okay, we moved from RVs to RQs. How does that make sense. Might as well remove my RV.

That wasn't a random question. I couldn't tell if Inox's first vote on Deas had reasoning behind it or if it was some inside joke. If it was the latter, then the follow-up reasoning he gave when prompted was made up, but they don't have a history and I think he was being serious.

"sigh" Sorry kondi, I trusted you, but MattP is right.

Is PM always this melodramatic and artificial?

Yes.
How do you read kondi's Deasvail meta argument? It's what's holding me back from voting him, I don't know DeasScum meta.

[Shiidaji]

I'll re-word that, it's the only thing that I found mildly town coming from him, and I wanted your opinion on it.

PEdit: VOTE: kondi

[Shiidaji]

Why is Bitmap scum?

I'd like more from AGar, particularly his opinion on Deas, I'm not seeing him as town yet.

[Shiidaji]

Why is Bitmap scum?

I'd like more from AGar, particularly his opinion on Deas, I'm not seeing him as town yet.

Wait you want me to solidify a townread on Deas for you?

How do I do that if I don't have a townread myself?

You misread. I don't have a townread on you, and I'd like you to comment on Deas. Get it?

Gone for most of tomorrow.

[Shiidaji]

Back, reading.

[Shiidaji]

I don't get the Konowa hate
I disagree with his Mehdi read but why the hell would scum vote to try to start a wagon player (Mehdi) that's been widely proclaimed as town?
It dun make sense.

Staeg and Shamrock sort of badvibes from the jumps on Kon, the latter makes up for it after the Blastoide exchange though, leaning town on him. Staeg's 222 is horrible, it's not inquisitive from a townie's perspective, it's an accusation poised as a question.

[Shiidaji]

a wagon on a player* ^

@Shiidaji Deas's posting seems pretty contrived at first, but it's early game so it's probably him just trying to spark something for conversation right now. Sometimes making little shit up gets things going in a game that isn't exactly progressing quickly, and this game wasn't exactly brimming with activity worth any shit. Null-leaning-town on him.

Which ones felt contrived, and how?

2. Staeg -town
4. xRECKONERx -duhtown
5. manho -lean town
10. Shiidaji -idgaf

Why.

@Whoever said Reck is town, why? I've yet to get any alignment vibes from him at all.

[Shiidaji]

@Shiidaji Deas's posting seems pretty contrived at first, but it's early game so it's probably him just trying to spark something for conversation right now. Sometimes making little shit up gets things going in a game that isn't exactly progressing quickly, and this game wasn't exactly brimming with activity worth any shit. Null-leaning-town on him.

Which ones felt contrived, and how?

Why does it matter?

I'd like to know if your reasoning was thrown together on the spot or if you actually thought that through, since I don't see his posts that way.

[Shiidaji]

why the hell would scum vote to try to start a wagon player (Mehdi) that's been widely proclaimed as town?

I've done this as scum before in the hope that people would think this, so I don't think it's that unlikely.

I'll reread it in the morning but I'm doubting Konowa scum atm and am more interested in its wagon, namely Staeg, kondi and Reck.

[Shiidaji]

Hay reck do you like Staeg

[Shiidaji]

Have you used meta arguments a lot in the past? What about on someone you were already voting to try to confirm their alignments? (Matt)

[Shiidaji]

Wait Konowa why are you voting kondi if you've been touting a MattP scumread since you came in?

[Shiidaji]

I don't think I can be more specific that I had to re-assess. I would like to think that I am fairly decent at catching scum, so [insert reason here of why I thought Mehdi was scum]. So the fact that no one else saw what I saw as scummy, I had to take a step back.

Hey Konowa, I'm notorious for being a meta kinda guy. Can you show me an example of a game where you had a scumread on someone and backtracked because people disagreed with it?

Erp, never mind. Answer this though v

2. Staeg -town
4. xRECKONERx -duhtown
5. manho -lean town
10. Shiidaji -idgaf

Why.

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i <3 staeg

This tells me nothiiing

PEdit:

But you've said yourself you have dirt on Matt that isn't relevant to his demeanor.

[Shiidaji]

I remember liking Inox because of his first post prob not coming from scum and the Deas read switch but I sort of forgot about him and ehhh


manho's first post gave you townvibes? He has uh
two posts
Yeah. (And the first one was weak and too concise for my tastes)

[Shiidaji]

No I mean manho

And uh

Why are you here.

[Shiidaji]

Huh.

Hi as evidenced by my extremely low post count I'm not from around here.
Is there anything in particular I should know about this community before I do something notoriously stupid? (i.e. Things that are considered UNSPEAKABLE OFFENSES, philosophy on no lynches, etc...)

That said

Vote: DeasVail

Because

that question!

Inoxbb what are you referring to in the last line of the above?

[Shiidaji]

Shshhhash peta sigh

[Shiidaji]

Hi, busy until this afternoon but I got that nudge.

manho- Lean scum although really I'm just willing to accept matt's read on him here. The main problem with it is I find kondi more likely to be scum and both being scum isn't that likely.

This is almost word for word my opinion on manho

[Shiidaji]

Reading

Might be out tomorrow, depends on if I'll have internet when traveling

[Shiidaji]

Unvote

Spoiler: bleh

Reread, I sort of ignored some people the first time around (Shamrock/seastorm/Gammagooey/Blast come to mind)

Page 5-6 still giving me heavy kondiscum and he needs lynching eventually, and I pretty firmly believe in MattP being town now
Sham's early Mehdi push tasted bad for me but he redeemed himself later on.
Retracting Staeg scumread, sort of iffy-town on him now
Dislike Bitmap's concise posting
I like Gamma, his thought process throughout is similar to mine
I

think

Reck is town here, even though ReckScum would be experienced enough to towntell. Either way I'm not lynching that.

-P11andon-
MattP/Deas points up through P11 sort of dumb down my Konowa town read, but 292 feels genuine and ugh I don't see it
Seastorm's catchup post tastes town despite the weird 3p accusation, I guess I can see that coming from someone who knows Inox well though

No I mean manho

And uh

Why are you here.

I got a townread on manho from his post the first time through and reading through again I corrected it to a null read. Do you want to know what I thought my first time going through because I don't remember.

Yeah, but if you don't remember then ~shrug~

PV lynch over kondi lynch? Definitely.

What why?

manho is ew and needs rope sooner or later
Peta townread sort of petered out at this point but it's mostly just gut, his questions irk me a bit. It might just be the hypocrisy bit biting me through though
PV sort of town after P18

Well Kondi's probtown too

For replacing out? Nah.

@Gamma How did jackal's first post read town to you? I'm thinking otherwise.

KoC's PM vote entrance is ew

Reck is doing his best to twist my townread down on him
P21-22 Bitmap jump on Konowa sucks, I understand sheeping but that's all he's done this game, but his vote on MattP afterwards doesn't feel scummy (Unless they're both scum and that was a shit distancing attempt, but that's unlikely since MattP is likely town)

[Shiidaji]

KoC do you have any scumreads or are you going to ride this PM thing to death?

[Shiidaji]

You're weird and I want to know why you asked that, but your tone in the vote post was way better. I mean I'm not lynching Shamrock any time soon and I'm in mild disagreeance with the PM wagon as I have a decent townread on him.

KoC hasn't said jack about anything in the game besides PM at this late stage of the day and considering I didn't have a townread on his predecessor, I dislike it.

Have we ever played together? (Staeg)

[Shiidaji]

Oh Artemis Fowl, right.

[Shiidaji]

@Shii: How did I "towntell"?

You said something like "Why are people calling me town?", which is a basic towntell for me, but again ScumReck could easily pull that off.

[Shiidaji]

See Reck I had this preconception of you being a very avid scumhunter and all the noncommittal stuff is what's tugging me down on you.

That is incorrect, you've commented on other parts of the game and even in that same votepost have expressed interest in other wagons, so your case is different from his.

[Shiidaji]

Vote: KoC

[Shiidaji]

Let's get this straight:

You began voting PM as a policy lynch, while you were 'still reading' based upon him being a VI
And after a full read-through he remains your biggest and best scumread?

Your calling me "weird" for thinking that is "weird" in itself, as I do not think it is "weird". My thought process is pretty clearly explained.

Weirdo.

[Shiidaji]

Shush you this needs answering

The "none of the other wagons are going to go through today" mentality is bad as it's what discourages scumhunting from the people that don't really lean strongly on any of the main wagons at that point in time.

[Shiidaji]

i know what he's saying and am disagreeing wioth his assessment

this game feels like it's in the doldrums but i don't rly want to move my vote. not in favor of voting konowa at all koc is like ehh if i have to i will

manho?


Hey KoC get in here.

[Shiidaji]

Changed vote because of time constraint but time was extended.

I am not concerned with KoC right now.

Quil's votecounts have had the *deadline suspended* thing out for a bit, and 525 came right after Quil's 523...?

Oh right Matt, how is kondi's sudden replace out a towntell? And please do concern yourself.

[Shiidaji]

I failed to notice this insightful post v

O

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I said please what more do you want from me

Money?

[Shiidaji]

If you are honestly going to tell me that this wouldn't be a scummy, active lurking post from any other player on this site, you are a liar. I have strong suspicion that the people currently pushing me were waiting for precisely this kind of push from someone on PM as a known liability so they could pick someone off his wagon and push an easy lynch. The fact that there isn't a lot to read from me right now

(which I'm working on)

is helping this, because the majority of their case is built on "ooh, I don't think town would do that" rather than any actual hard scum-hunting.

This, now. Also, have you ever lead/tried to lead a PL y/n

VOTE: PMysterious

Someone slipped.

lolwhat show me.

PeEdit: Wait what the fuck

[Shiidaji]

Well, kondi and Bitmap I trust and I'm glad to know that we're on the same team. However, there is something about you Mehdi that I just don't trust.

I SWEAR IF THESE THREE ARE SCUM I WILL DIE

[Shiidaji]

STOP CALLING ME TOWN YOU'RE MAKING ME BLUSH

BUT THE PM-BITMAP INTERACTIONS ARE MAKING ME PUKE

Despite 116 PMscum might point to kondiscum too actually

And kondi's list of fury put Bitmap in 'likely scum'

Ohhgod I'm just agh if this is it

[Shiidaji]

Reck, are you dumb? I am actually not asking this to be mean, I am genuinely curious.

This fucking "PM slipped omg" bullshit is just that: bullshit. I read the post in question, NOTHING in that post is a slip, and the quickwagon just screams scum influence.

Hi why aren't you voting Bitmap by that logic over your TownSham read

[Shiidaji]

the "i'll get you for this" tonally seems more likely to come from upset scum than town but it's p. weak tbh

idk i'm annoyed because i have this huge scumlurkinginthebackgroundbutnoonewantstovotethem feeling

Who. Why aren't you on them if we have an extended deadline?

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Regardless of PM's alignment I'm liking BitmapScum right now, 678 + his voteposts are way too contrived and the "Back to my game!" bit felt really forced.

[Shiidaji]

Really busy until the 4-day weekend, bear with me etc.
Need to re-read the game with confirmed town in mind, MattP typically has great reads and I can't remember if anyone tried to discredit him at some point. Have suspicions as to the Shamkill but I won't voice them yet.

Mehdi's on the right track right now though.
VOTE: KoC
Quality imagevote.

Pick a better one next time.

With a bus in it.

...so who am I sheeping while I'm catching up?

Equinox how far were you into the game when you made this post?

N's leaning town for me from his post.

I'll try and decide who I think is scum when I have time.

How?

[Shiidaji]

Konowa read on KoC go.

[Shiidaji]

Received, tomorrow morning looks promising.

[Shiidaji]

See sig, I'll mostly be phoneposting and doing Isos is going to suck until I can get on something with a keyboard

I'd ask for no hammer yet since I haven't looked at the game with Gammascum in mind

[Shiidaji]

Spoiler: Bleh II

Rach can be town for Gamma’s blatant misdirection from the KoC wagon D1 Post 625 AND He did the same thing again in 906
Deas is still Townbby
+ Mangoscum because MattP’s good at catching things
Reck-Kimor gives my Vig/SK trying later to seem viggy vibes after the Shamrock kill (+read 717, 769, I won’t go into it further)
Bitmap still sucks but his early paranoia around MattP still bites town despite all this sassy crap that he’s been pulling
++ Konowascum because of the shit PM jump
+++Manho/N scum because of KoC’s image vote on him, the fact that he went on imgur to upload something means he put thought into the vote, as nonchalant as he tried to make it, and the image gives him a pass from saying anything that might’ve been damning

Jarvis’ posting makes me feel a ton better about the slot, but he replaced kondi... Either way I'm not lynching that to-day

Ignoring early badvibes now, peta is town, plus compare his and Gamma’s jumps on KoC, his is so not a bus.

Equinox makes me feel better about the Inox slot

Eh on Seas right now, still tastes mildly town, not lynching right now

4nx tastes good for stuff like 792 (I don't know if he's gotten better since I last saw him as scum but he just feels different here too)

omg 794 Konowa u scum

Konowa-N scumteam choochoo?

Blastoide sux and the way he replaced out with commitment makes It so I can’t read it well since he continued to post…

870 Jarvis gives me strong town vibes

ATP Lynch {Konowa/N/Blast}

896 feels like N trying to appear useful

Staeg TownTown for going KoC->Rach->KoC again in 931

Equi +town as 945 doesn’t feel bussy

I think we should go after Rach.
VOTE: RachMarie
I'm sure she will be here soon since someone mentioned her name.

LOLOL
LOLOL
HI BLASTOID BLATANT KOC -> RACH WAGON MISDIRECTION SUPSUPSUP

I’m up for eventual Bitmap death too

Seas hamer wasn't bad

Mehdi NK is interesting. Mehdi’s on the new side, so a strong scum could have manipulated her well, so I’m thinking she died because she was an almost universal Townread and/or she had her sights set on the right people. She was looking at KoC->Konowa->Rachmarie->Blast, so I’m liking scum in there too.

When I asked Konowa for a KoC read

As far as KoC read, I didn’t answer at the time because I hate phone posting anything that requires substance. Without fully reading yet all I remember is that he pushed PM first as a policy lynch and then said that some of his behavior is scummy. Without reading it looks as if he wanted PM out of the game no matter what. If he [PM] was scum, it was just bonus. Having played with PM before, I can understand the motivation behind this.

I don’t think it is indicative of alignment though.

It's a jumble of IIoA and a null read, real noncommittal-like.
Go ahead and check 'KoC' ('Knight' brings up 0) in Konowa's ISO and despite him being a major topic and wagon, he pops up thrice pre-D3 and that's only after being prompted (The above). Plus Konowa delayed the read so it's less relevant in discussion when he's forced to say it (which is something I like to do as scum with buddies, eheh)
Pre-D3 Gamma not once showed up in Konowa's ISO.
In the same vein KoC never mentions Konowa.

Konowa bringing up Reck-Kimor reminds me of the suspicion I had of that slot being a killing role but yeah that can be handled sometime later, since whatever it is it's killing scum.

Not to mention I like the people on the Konowa wagon/off it that want to come on (Deas) so I'm feeling hella good about this one.

[Shiidaji]

Vote: Konowa

[Shiidaji]

Kill these guys: Konowa, N, Blastoide

Listen to these guys: Petapan, Deasvail, Staeg, Equinox?

Go back and sheep MattP if something or other.

[Shiidaji]

I'd say something about Staeg being town there unless you specifically want Equi to answer that.

[Shiidaji]

You didn't even use multiquote there, that's Jarvis'.

[Shiidaji]

Go ahead? Deas didn't call it.

[Shiidaji]

Nah wait I wanna see PV's 'content'.

[Shiidaji]

Quil? ):

[Shiidaji]

Yeah go ahead. I sent the backup mod another message but I'm sorta sad because I love Quil's flavor

[Shiidaji]

No problem with the hydra.

[Shiidaji]

Kimor - Vigilante of the Undreamt (Killed Night 3)

Mod

- Was he town-sided? The second kills were SK-y as fuck. (I mean he was kind of obvious with Reck not wanting to replace out/peta calling him out but still)

Vote: N

[Shiidaji]

DeasVail
Jarvis
N
Staeg

It doesn't say they are scum. It just gave their names.

Paraphrase?

[Shiidaji]

Disagree. Why not N? The KoC imagevote reeked bus.

[Shiidaji]

Why Staeg?

[Shiidaji]

Hi, reading the thread in the morning, been busy with VLR (Go play that now)

ALso Sandy's coming up the east coast right now so there's a possibility of no internet around Monday or so.