Mafia in La-La Land (Game over!)

[petapan]

hi

[petapan]

give me a bullet point or two, for my amusement, while i catch up

[petapan]

This is the first real large I have been in since I returned to site (currently playing in a 15 player game, but I really do not consider that a large). First time around on site, I had trouble keeping up in larges and could not get reads off of anyone D1. So I decided to try and create a flash in the pan in an attempt to help me get reads.

what exactly where you doing to try to "create a flash in the pan"?

[petapan]

withholding comment on other things until i get an answer on that because i love keeping my cards face down

[petapan]

withholding comment on other things until i get an answer on that because i love keeping my cards face down

In other words you like to remain non-committal while not helping town's scumhunting effort at all?
Congratulations, one million scumread points for

Gryffindor

you.

Konawa's initial vote on Mehdi felt ultra scummy, but right now he's feeling more and more town. I still think Mehdi is town right now, however, newtown feels different from newscum.
I'm perfectly okay with lynching Kondi, however.
But right now.

Unvote: Konawa

Vote: petapan

How about you actually give some contributions and reads?

mafiascum.net

[petapan]

i have opinions but i don't want to influence konowa's answer to my question, and i don't do lists as town, pretty much ever, unless there's a lot more information than on page 11 of a large game

if yr dying to know my opinion on a player all you have to do is ask specifically

[petapan]

peta, I tried to create a flash in a pan by withholding my read and being obnoxious about it.

not sure i like this answer because it feels like more a scum backtracking "lol reactions" than a town-motivated one. what were you trying to do with this, what do you think the results were?

[petapan]

i'm like really ugh on the stuff konowa is giving me but overall just not that hot on the case on him, more like lukewarm

i think kondi is flagrantly just bullshitting his reads this game - as town he's able to provide some rationale and generally is pretty readable tbh but here it's like he's pulling everything out of his ass, so that's where i'm at. was leaning this way but wanted to question konowa just to be sure

VOTE: kondi

[petapan]

what do you make of his whole "trying to cause a flash in the pan" explanation?

[petapan]

your tone is fine dw

[petapan]

i feel like i'm waiting for something to happen but then i can't think of what it is

[petapan]

Fuck me.

You are actually playing very close in tone to your town meta.

i was just about to say that tonally he comes across as scummy lmao

[petapan]

Also, I'm still kind of eh on Kondi. He could easily be scum from most of his posts, but I'm not sure if he'd go for the hydra-attack as scum. I think Konowa's more scummy anyway.

i don't know what you mean by this. i think he's bullshitting his reads - as town i'd see more reasoning, more thought process but he's just kind of pulling things out of his ass and comes across as overconfident in what he says.

[petapan]

Fuck me.

You are actually playing very close in tone to your town meta.

i was just about to say that tonally he comes across as scummy lmao

Derp what do you think of Inox? ISO the bitch

i had him as eager newbie who was sort of fish out of waterhad dumb reasons for his suspicions but i didn't think he was just trying to adhere to a formula i dunno man (although my day 1 reads aren't the bset thing in large games because there's so much information to process so i wouldn't lean heavily on what i say(but kondi is still scum))

[petapan]

Blatant school proddodge. Weekend is coming up, I should be able to do something.

quoting for when he doesn't deliver

[petapan]

nahhh i think that's scum reasoning tbqh - cherry picking a single game and saying "he's acting different" is the ultimate weaksauce

[petapan]

"as usual" would be a fallacy - as town from when i've seen you, you don't say much but there's a thread of logic - i don't see that here and i think you pulled your big list of reads out of your ass

[petapan]

he answered it in his ISO because someone already asked him this

[petapan]

that was a p. scummy post by manho i don't really like it

[petapan]

mmm yeahh i went to check some of his games and he's always concise but i dislike the intentions of that post

UNVOTE:
VOTE: manho

[petapan]

4nxi3ty: What are your thoughts on PV and Kondi and why is a PV lynch better?

Cause PV is more likely to flip scum. I agree with his aggression looking forced and kondi's last post gave off townvibes. Also the fact that pm, bitmap, and konowa are all sitting comfortably on the kondi wagon kinda invalidates it imo.

not really, sheeping is more or less just indicative of playstyle rather than alignment for those players

[petapan]

you aren't doing yourself any favors whatsoever

[petapan]

the only reason you should be afraid of me this game is if you are scum

[petapan]

i'm just making banter because this game is a swamp atm but also because i am relaxed

[petapan]

for now yeah tho it's not strong enough i felt a need to say anything

[petapan]

he's basically a big fat ball of nothing, same with a lot of players in this game, was hoping the pressure on him would get a response but ehh

[petapan]

activity sitewide is always down on weekends, have a little patience

[petapan]

nahh that doesn't look like a partner defense tbh

[petapan]

yeah i know i see what you are saying but i am not sure that i agree

[petapan]

I have fallen really far behind so I'll just wait for D1 to be over because this just seems like a whole bunch of yelling at each other and nothing is happening very proactively

yeah i know the feeling faking it is so hard sometimes

[petapan]

kondi seems to be mass replacing out so i don't take it to mean anything either way

[petapan]

read on pmysterious?

[petapan]

posts are garbage but gut town because of his/her (its?) post about getting wagoned super early in the game

i actually looked at him and realized i was thinking of blastoide when i asked for a read because he was one where i'm thinking i noticed a thing. i think pmysterious's response was fairly null and he's a big void of nothing otherwise

[petapan]

actually meh just did the research myself and i thought he might be overly formal newbscum but that is Just How He Posts

[petapan]

petapan is scum for waiting for others to support my lynch before casting the vote. konowa is still scum, so vote stays.

never actually did this, dawg

said a post you made was bad but at the time i still suspected kondi more, chewed it over, read other people's evaluations then decided i liked voting you more

also why did you wait this long to say this

[petapan]

tbh though i thought about things and i wish we could still lynch kondi but the slot will get bullshit replacement cred and people will be afraid to vote that way and ugh

[petapan]

Wait, what? I know I haven't posted much and I put nothing down on the table, but that doesn't mean I should be lynched. Have anymore reasons other than what Peregrine said?

UNVOTE: Kondi2424

why are you voting kondi?

[petapan]

Wait, how am I scummy again? I'm kind of far behind so I'll just sheep or something. PMyst is probably town. I'd be surprised if he was scum.

why is he probably town?

[petapan]

don't answer questions i'm not asking you plz

[petapan]

like i get that he gets attacked a lot because he's young and really bad at posting but i'm more specifically interested in bitmap's thought process here

[petapan]

@Bitmap: You and me both, lol. But why are you voting Matt in this game - just out of spite?

Part of it is out of spite and the other part being that Matt seems to be playing this game like he did in that last game which gives me a red flag.

probably because he's the same person

[petapan]

i know what he's saying and am disagreeing wioth his assessment

this game feels like it's in the doldrums but i don't rly want to move my vote. not in favor of voting konowa at all koc is like ehh if i have to i will

[petapan]

thank u so much

[petapan]

UNVOTE: Rach VOTE: KoC

Rach wagon is sadly really dead (which the fact it started near the beginning of the day, but won't grow fine is another reason why it likely is on scum) so for now I'll swap to a more viable wagon and I suspect koc more then manho.

i literally didn't realize rachmarie was in this game

[petapan]

I'll get you for this Matt. I liked you until now.

Wait, it was fake? I got tricked. D:

Oh well, now without worry of dying today, I think I'll read back over to see what I could find to take note of.

not sure if scum or just stupid

[petapan]

yeah ok

VOTE: PMysterious

[petapan]

the "i'll get you for this" tonally seems more likely to come from upset scum than town but it's p. weak tbh

idk i'm annoyed because i have this huge scumlurkinginthebackgroundbutnoonewantstovotethem feeling

[petapan]

Who. Why aren't you on them if we have an extended deadline?

extended deadline doesn't mean much when activity is generally low and kondi still hasn't been replaced. i'm not on them because i got swayed to vote the guy that i am voting right now

[petapan]

bitmap being paranoid of matt is probably a town-tell

[petapan]

Petapan: Why is being swayed still the reason when the one who swayed you is voting for someone else?

they are?

[petapan]

i am also voting pmysterious?

[petapan]

who do you think is scum, and why?

[petapan]

I don't wanna be lynched Day 1. I didn't mean for it to happen that way. I was not upset at Matt at all, I was just overreacting. Give me all of the questions you can pull at me besides asking for me to claim and I'll get all of them in 1 post.

What's wrong with my Avatar?

[petapan]

but seriously i asked a very simple question, the only question that matters

[petapan]

just kill him for the love of god

[petapan]

It's odd that you were included in the list. Also, that Shamrock kill looks like a vigilante, so we should all probably figure out who the next most likely scumbag is and let the vig shoot him/her.

it's you

[petapan]

i'm not feeling the fire right now this game so i'm sheeping the people voting KoC because i'm reading them as town so yeah

VOTE: KoC

can't be sure if N is scum or just

that dumb

i'm going to play a wait and see game there

[petapan]

So based off this I'd say it's N. Matt was all over Manho yesterday and Manho replaced out. Bitmap is another possibility, but I think we should go after N. What's up with KoC? I'll look up on him, but I didn't see anything drastically scummy from him. Can someone explain?

but why does this make him scum

[petapan]

I thought I was pretty townish Day 1.

VOTE: KoC

is this supposed to be a joke

[petapan]

the reaction thing is like his only towntell though and the rest of his play is like maaaaan are you even trying

[petapan]

name them

[petapan]

i wanted you to name them because being vague doesn't help anyone else and i'm too lazy to manually pick out who's lurking

[petapan]

gamma i hate you for that avatar

i'm going to stop being a POS and read everyone this week as i feel like it's going to be necessary

[petapan]

jarvis, elaborate to me on why you read konowa as scum

not really interested in lynching N, was willing to give him a chance to post and while he's been kind of dumb

i am upset that this whole dream thing means we can't jusdt lynch seastormjt

[petapan]

Bitmap I'm null on and just trusting the words of others saying his reaction to history mafia ending was a town tell for here.

stop trusting that because i'm revoking it because outside of that he's really bad

[petapan]

konowa could be a PoE scumread for me but ugh i read some of his posts and the way he talks just comes across as town every time i read it

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Bitmap

feeling it

[petapan]

why does he do that as scum, though

[petapan]

petapan, help me lynch Knight of Cydonia, and I'll help with Bitmap and, later on, Seastormjt.

i dunno why you're bargaining with me on my chump reads esp when i've been lurking like hell

[petapan]

given the proximity to deadline though, KoC lynch > Rach lynch based on recent posting and the way the wagons are acting, though i don't know if we're ever gonna get substance out of rach. i thought maybe KoC was townie but he's had more than enough chance to defend himself and it's like nuthin at all

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Knight of Cydonia

[petapan]

jester is a scumclaim

[petapan]

he's dead now - jester is a role that wins by being lynched. no one uses it because it's a bad role and claiming it is essentially asking to be lynched because of the fact that it is very rarely used

please no one clear rach because of all this okay that's all i ask

[petapan]

really, really dislike everyone who dropped off the radar

ironicat.png

[petapan]

i'm going to beast this game as soon as we get the flip though

[petapan]

VOTE: konowa

don't think konowa is scum, i don't agree with the first part of his 178 but it looks pretty town to me.
my vote is a little garbage right now but i want to wait for a few other people to get in here before changing it.

would waaaaaay rather lynch kondi than konowa here. still think konowa's 170something is more likely to come from town and can see his other posts coming from town.
not REALLY confident in a kondi lynch but the how many mafia->konowa vote is bad and i don't see at all where his suggestion of inox being coached is coming from.

Unvote, Vote: kondi

hi

[petapan]

i'm pretty much completely abandoning my reads from earlier ftr

N and Jarvis are both town, reck might be retroactively town which makes kimor town, i had a tinfoil hat ~theory~ about how rach was possibly scum w/ KoC but given gamma-scum i doubt it ref: #637

[petapan]

Still town here even though I understand I'm probably going to be lynched today. Will do my best to get solid reads out soon.

gl with that

[petapan]

why do you think you're "probably going to be lynched"

[petapan]

yeah it's not shiidaji and iirc i thought 4nx was townish but I don't have anything substantial to back that up i'll have to look at him

[petapan]

that's L-2 so no one come in and go hurf de durf imma quickhammer before everyone gets to post

[petapan]

He posted thursday promising reads, if he hasn't posted by sunday then he needs to die (and i have a feeling he won't)

[petapan]

oh huh i guess he is

honestly i can already see this game dying a horrid death while it stalls out waiting for him only for him not to deliver but w/e let's try to make some use of this time

peregrineV, elaborate to me on why you lean toward seastorm or 4nx with your suspicions

[petapan]

trying to push N as scum is so bad it almost makes me think you're town

[petapan]

that's just him white knighting probably, KoC was on the wagon already + he didn't have much compunction about voting manho

granted N's iso is terrible but it doesn't read scum-motivated to me

[petapan]

there's literally no chance of it being a 3-scum game, with 21 to start i'd say 4-5 scum depending on how much town power there is + how much the dream mechanic is weighed as a balancing factor

[petapan]

@4nx: nnot rrreally

plus seriously look at the way reck talked to gamma

[petapan]

i mean i can see where youre coming from on both of those (and seastorm really at this point should be lynched on policy alone because there's always scum to be found in flakey permalurkers) but it's not feelin super strong to me

[petapan]

idk what do you expect i wouldn't make a case to explain why i'm town on day 3 when i'm not getting lynched either

[petapan]

maybe he just felt inclined to bus dood. maybe he felt like the N wagon wasn't going to gain enough traction to go through and he felt it was better for the long game to defend a VI and bus a goonbuddy because let's face it I don't think very many people scumread him so he might have wanted to keep up appearances - also the thing is, both N and KoC were on jarvis's dream list which means that KoC was probably going to get lynched eventually as people would hunt from the list, so gamma goes to bus so he can look town and then lead mislynches afterward

it's the same dumb theory i had in abarat that actually turned out to be true even though the list in that game was a bullshit guess that happened to be correct - scum pushed a lot harder to lynch their teammate out of the list of 3 names than on lynching the two townies. not saying scum always think that way but there is a psychology to it

[petapan]

post you quoted from konowa doesn't rub me either way it's the sort of nonchalant defense of someone that is often convenient to do as scum because it's not out and out defending him but trying to dismiss the points raised against him - attacking ideas while possibly neglecting giving a read on him. granted scum do it sometimes because it emulates town thought process and sometimes people make mistakes

but basically im saying it doesnt strike me as a towntell.

but i sort of kind of almost want to start a flashwagon on seastormjt even though i know she'll flake and it will turn into an unlynchable permalurker slot for several days because i get bad feelings

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: 4nx

i got a feeling

[petapan]

your feelings are misguided by my lack of activity

you've been pretty active tbh you're solidly middle of pack it's something more gut-based but i'll elaborate

[petapan]

Ok yes we can lynch 4nxi3ty, but not today. Don't you dare derail my lynch.

i wanted to feel things out and shake it up since this day has been autopilot but yeah sure i'll be back

[petapan]

doesn't help when like 1/3 the game incl mod are inactive so i get nuffin

just realized notch is ducking even so much as making a post in this game but is posting elsewhere so he needs to die, also.

[petapan]

i felt like trying something but i realized there's no sense in me making a case on a guy who is not getting lynched today

UNVOTE:
VOTE: konowa

[petapan]

yeah but i'm fuckin lazy and bad at cases and don't have things beyond ~feelings~

[petapan]

Unvote, vote: DeasVail

no

[petapan]

I have never suggested the Konowa wagon is anything but the good wagon. In fact, now that people have got off it, I can jump on without hammering!

Why were you nervous about hammering?

Also, since this is a shiny new page, I'd like to re-emphasize the need for notch's blood sometime in the very near future.

if not for the dream thing i'd be wagoning notch right now

[petapan]

My bad guys, I forgot about this

I'm going to have to read the thread, can't right now though.

quoting this for when he doesn't post again

[petapan]

Have doubts about Notch, but waiting to see what he has to say. basically seems to be an uberlurker

him ducking the thread while posting elsewhere looks very bad and i don't buy that he forgot about a game of this size even if it is a bit slow

[petapan]

uhm

is the undreamt some 3p faction or something what is that

i would say second scumteam but he flipped vig so i'm just, what

also i don't remember being suspicious of any of those 4 people ugh

[petapan]

VOTE: seastormjt

this is a pure policy vote, going to actually read people later but this slot is beyond redemption

[petapan]

color of the flip/name ("Undreamt" as opposed to "dreamt") says not townsided, so do the kills (assuming kill order is mafia/vig, which is probable even though ideally it's random but w/e) but "vigilante" as opposed to serial killer suggests something different (and possibly factional? hrm. not that much can be done about it either way

[petapan]

iso skim of staeg says he might be scum but he did out a dream so hrmery

[petapan]

looked more like scum going after a an easy lynch than anything and as much as people jumped on him for it i took complaining about his role to be a towntell in that sort of thing that only noobtown does because newbies don't complain about being scum usually

[petapan]

oh my god i thought seastormjt flaked but she's still posting in other games now i regret being a POS and not turning it on her day 3

[petapan]

i just picked him at random to read I'm not attempting to push anything there right now okay jeez

[petapan]

jarvis: I only think using the dream as a lynch pool is bad if you assume it's falsified - otherwise, for all we know the dream pools have 2 scum, out of 2-3 remaining scum most likely so i don't know what you are thinking

[petapan]

N do you have something to post that isn't absolutely worthless

[petapan]

because it's more likely than anything mod error and suggesting otherwise is pretty much absurd

and i dunno i reread you and nothing stoo out and it's like what have you done for me lately

[petapan]

This is really rich coming from you.

shut the fuck up and answer the question

[petapan]

you have zero opinions on this game other than "well rachmarie hasn't done much so i think she's scum, not gonna vote her though...". functionally you're slightly more relevant than seastormjt and she hasn't posted in nearly a month. you aren't even fucking trying. if your head wasn't completely entrenched in your ass you'd see i was defending you on the page before this - and yet now i want you to die anyway as a result of this exchange because even if you're town you're not even playing to win anymore so you you can get out

[petapan]

"lol no u" doesn't really cut it as a defense and i am not above the catharsis of lynching townreads that act like standoffish jackasses for no reason

you're too dense to actually parse anything i say, that's cool

let me lay it out in simple terms for your dumb self: setting aside me being doubtful of staeg because his posting has gotten really lazy lately, he did out a dream, and i was one of the people in that dream (can scum even dream? I don't know if that's a possibility). there are 3 other people in that dream, which is good odds for lynching scum. i think shiidaji is town (i rarely vocalize townreads when they are not put under pressure) so that leaves seastorm and 4nx. felt oddly suspicious of 4nx yesterday but mainly wanted to get a reaction, still haven't read his iso in full even though i should it's not that long. but regardless, seastorm is a mega-lurker who has basically abandoned the game and even if someone replaces them i don't think they'd be able to redeem the player slot. in a large game there's usually going to be at least one or two scum that lurk their way through because playing as scum is

hard

and stuff and it's very easy to fade into the background when there's a lot of noise being generated. all of this makes me feel like seastormjt is a good lynch.

in conclusion eat shit, N

[petapan]

hopefully staeg having the same thought as me re: scum getting dreams means he is town. it would make me feel good. (i know it can be faked but the timing of it is nice)

[petapan]

man i'm dumb how do i read the mod post over and over and miss that part of it

right okay so scum presumably can know when it's safe to fakeclaim a dream so it's only useful if you trust the dreamer and i don't actually have ubertown reads on any of them - i think the way greygnarl claimed his dream is townish though even though bitmap was a useless pos and i think jarvis wouldn't include himself in a list as scum? like i know as scum i wouldn't make up a list with my name in it i'd just name a bunch of townies and laugh

[petapan]

N the second I see you at L-1 I will hammer you

[petapan]

i

don't even think he's scum

but he is so bad at posting i don't care

Uggghhh not feeling the rach wagon anymore
Let's do this for a bit

unvote
vote: KoC

Not too long, though, deadline's in 4.25 days

staeg is town btw

[petapan]

the timing of it is pretty critical - the KoC wagon had died down and people piled on rach, and then independent of any impetus he moves back to KoC. He's cool. Not for lynching.

also the way you reacted to the KoC wagon is pretty horrible, tbh but tonally some things suggest to me you're town. working on ISOing anxiety now.

[petapan]

that was @ DV I was too lazy to edit it when i should have

[petapan]

4nxi3ty -

why do you suspect rach now aside from asking permission to hammer the day before

[petapan]

i was asking a question of the guy voting you but thanks for explaining that anyway

soo have you read up on people yet

[petapan]

Peta, what was @me?

your reaction to KoC getting wagoned

Her play here is very different from the last time we played where she was town.

not good enough

UNVOTE:

VOTE: 4nxi3ty

[petapan]

where do you notice it differing?

[petapan]

Did you have any thoughts on my reaction before today?

no, because i didn't notice it. i don't parse information thoroughly all the time or take notes and sometimes i don't see stuff until i reread

as the game has gone on it has become more apparent. originally i wasn't sure because it could've been related to activity and trying to get into the game but now i am confident it is alignment-related.

She is much more engaged in searching for scum as town. Whereas here she has been playing very under the radar, following the crowd, jumping on easy things.

see but more or less your analysis this game has been consistently shallow and lacks concrete examples for most of your suspicions. and this is just another instance of it.

[petapan]

Someone asked why selected-Staeg-quotes are scummy. Because, narratively speaking, weak early bussing of Jackal (KoC-slot) disappeared without a word and eventually came to straight steeping of KoC onto the PM lynch. And I seem to be in the minority in not liking Staeg's hop onto KoC from Rach at the end of day 2.

honestlyy i know staeg can and will bus readily, too readily, even, but the timing and wording of it don't come across as convenient

[petapan]

no actually it looks like that was just a question and you're inferring it as some form of criticism, please stop

[petapan]

Actually yeah, I see what you mean.

VOTE: 4nx

hi

[petapan]

hi

Hey! How's it going?

why are you questioning the vote when you made the vote on him yesterday

[petapan]

well I would have to disagree considering I went into more specifics with my rachread than you did with your read on me <.< (wish you would get on the same page as me, seeing as you are my strongest townread). Just look at how rach slides onto the PM, KoC, and Konowa wagons to see how scummy she is; She is doing the same thing N today as well.

she never actually voted KoC. which is...interesting. not for that fact but for other things. i don't think her play has necessarily been spectacular but i don't think it's been notably scummy and you have yet to highlight how exactly her play is differing from her townplay, in your opinion. (i also know she suspected as town a fair deal so that is where i hesitate)

why exactly are you reading me as town anyway when i've been phoning it in for most of this game

[petapan]

However it is a bit easier to figure things out in a newbie game that I was in from the beginning , that a much larger and complex game like this one. I am still sorting people out.

so are you ever going to try to read people this game

[petapan]

Because I imagine that there is an actual reason for the vote other than lololol wagon.

Why didn't you answer my question?

does this mean you are questioning jarvis's motives or that you never actually read 4nx as scum

[petapan]

okay then i'm not getting at all why you did the vote thing yesterday

[petapan]

Part of me wanted to see what reactions (whether from 4nx or others) came from it. Part of me was bored and just felt like it.

k.

[petapan]

i'm conflicted

[petapan]

KoC trying to just wing it on another easy mislynch first thing in the day makes no sense.

why doesn't it make sense idgi

[petapan]

Because he's just used up his easy-lynch-pushing-cred on PM, in what world is he expecting to get away with a mislynch on N? Specially with that vote-post.

a world where the game is kind of derp and people are piling on N for a bad opening post (when he replaced a guy that was a major wagon day 1) and he thinks he can get away with it - seriously it's not very far fetched

i mean my problem here is tonally i read N as town where rachmarie is super scummy but circumstantially has interactions suggesting she might be town, strategically though i don't think she's a great lynch at all based on the dreams. neither is likely to ever be of any value to this game whatsoever.

so i'm stuck here being fat and useless because because i'm too afraid to vote either of them

[petapan]

you've played one game with me

[petapan]

Emphasis: played

"always" implies multiple attempts

[petapan]

Seastormjt 2012-09-25 12:29:01 36 days 10 hours 12

isn't it sad

only sad because the vig is dead

[petapan]

If anybody from my dream pool is the cop they need to claim immediately. I have a plan.

i sincerely doubt that there is a cop in the setup but thanks for trying. (if anyone doubts greygnarl is town after this they are dum)

[petapan]

staeg hasn't posted in a week and it's bugging me. going to try to read the people in the greygnarl dream again i guess.

[petapan]

bad vote, equinox

[petapan]

Day 2 before he died, Mehdi2277 was pressuring 4nxiety and Rach and KoC.
Day3 before he died, Kimor was pressuring Seamstorm, 4nxiety, DeasVail.

[citation needed]

[petapan]

no see what he just said is legitimately completely untrue

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

[petapan]

i might follow you on that even though it contradicts what i said earlier

[petapan]

not sure we'll be able to get a flashwagon going technically it's close to deadline but i'm not going to shed any tears if we have to lynch N

but basically staeg has gone to hardcore lurking (but hey check his messages posted) and my earlier point for him as town is silly given i have immediate meta on him that says he has a proclivity to bus so

VOTE: staeg

[petapan]

frankly i still feel squicked over lynching anyone from greygnarl's pool but his "i have a plan" thing is probably the towniest post in the game so far

[petapan]

Day 4 ends 4th November 23:00 GMT

though it's anyone's guess as to whether or not he shows for that deadline

[petapan]

Unvote, Vote: Staeg

(expired on 2012-11-04 23:00:00)

did you change your mind or is this a deadline vote

[petapan]

jarvis yr kinda weirding me out right here w/ yr 'tude

[petapan]

nah

[petapan]

but you being super-cocky is starting to make me raise eyebrows

[petapan]

i mean there's no reason they would do it but they would do it, is the thing.

[petapan]

i'm going to sleep on it

[petapan]

Actually also Jarvis, a read on N would be awesome.

he's been calling N scum the whole time he's been in the game
would be more useful to ask him to present some reasoning

[petapan]

person would get a dream telling them the last scumz, and they're clear of having killed so the only option would be for scum to counterclaim there but idk there could be contingency clause for how dreams are generated when it gets down to that

truthfully i don't know what to make of jarvis this game because he's been kind of aggro a lot with not so much substance backing it up and some truly harebrained theories but i always have a soft spot for people who suspect me because scum rarely do because it's easier for them to just buddy me then kill me off

[petapan]

"error in the creation of" implies that it's mod-generated but regardless i'm not going to take the names appearing twice to mean anything when the info from dream #1 is effectively useless

[petapan]

win some lose some

[petapan]

so i just reread chain of command and i dunno jarvis here is actually like he was that game - frankly i didn't notice it until now because in that game i was scum so i didn't both reading him but nah i'm not feeling this at all

[petapan]

nacho give me some real reads and not ones based on probability theory

[petapan]

okay well i'll be waiting

[petapan]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=23021

also doubles as a link for my scum meta so have at it

i remembered jarvis as kind of being easily bossed around and all over the place but that was because i wasn't genuinely trying to read him and now i see the same sort of uhh confidence i guess

[petapan]

no you had it right the first time i'm not really seeing him as scum

[petapan]

in fact from my POV i'm pretty sure the wagon clears jarvis of being scum if we're to assume 1 scum in the current pools

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: 4nx

prefer this to lynching jarvis

[petapan]

i guess i'm 'guilty' of it stalling in that my reads/persuasive skills are not strong enough to get the lynch off you but haha if you think i wouldn't just slyly work my way into hammering you instead of actually bothering to read you

[petapan]

cool let's lynch someone in a dream

i'll move to anyone for deadline though i think it's known what my preferences are

[petapan]

so i fell asleep but i guess it got done anyway

don't feel great about this but we'll see

[petapan]

well the scumteam are idiots because now they're going to get dream'd out of the game thanks for bussing i guess

greygnarl is pretty much conftown now and jarvis is town and N is probably town so it's staeg or DV

VOTE: staeg

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

actually ugh.

[petapan]

yeah i can't really defend myself here because the scumteam are fucking idiots and bussed someone who wasn't in a dream which means they'll get inevitably poe'd by dreams and i'm not an idiot and didn't want to lynch rach when i figured we could just lynch her today. but w/e wait for the dream to get outed and this game is pretty much won anyway

[petapan]

actually just realized last night

VOTE: staeg

towntell i had on him is voided and in fact the timing of his move from rach to KoC now seems pretty god damn suspicious in light of the fact she was a scum pr

(ugh god the stupid-ass rvs tell i had on agar/jackal interactions was right and it doesn't even matter)

[petapan]

pretty sure she was claiming her role in the hopes that it'd let her live - it's as useful to scum as it is to town as it tells them who is likely not a power role

and don't get antsy a bunch of ppl haven't posted yet

[petapan]

that people wouldn't lynch her jeez

[petapan]

oh well that then she was just dumb i dunno it's not worth reading into at all why talk about it

[petapan]

I've forgotten the Staeg case; I thought it was just a deadline thing last time.

(I didn't dream, so I guess that leaves PV that hasn't commented today?)

read his ISO. that's my case.

[petapan]

@ N

I believe it is set up with if then statements and rules. Of course this is the first time I have played this setup so I am not sure of all the dynamics

.

@ Grey

Really dude calm down a tad there is no reason to be so virulent about the game....

The reason I asked Empking was to get a handle on Emp's alignment not anything to do with Jarvis. I am always suspicious of people who just put a vote (especially L-1 or the hammer) without anything else to say such as reasons or a case.

I guess you missed that part so bolding it for you.

I can see the case for Jarvis, based on the dream sequence. I feel the dreams are decided in a rather complicated manner to insure no one, not even the mod can tamper with them. so based on that I will join the crowd...

VOTE: Jarvis

This is again L-1 DO NOT hammer without giving intent and giving Jarvis a chance to claim and so on.

what differentiates this from the staeg vote

[petapan]

wait so

no one is claiming to have dreamed last night?

nacho obviously wasn't serious

[petapan]

scum got the dream last night and they're not outing

UNVOTE:

VOTE: deasvail

i feel bad about this vote worse than anything this game but i don't know what i'm doing anymore

[petapan]

he's

not

serious

[petapan]

he just stitched together the dream claims from staeg + greygnarl because there are probably 2 scum left and assuming the dreams are true, that is completely accurate. soooooOOoooOoooo

[petapan]

..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

[petapan]

i want to die

[petapan]

dreams can't be altered to influence the game state

[petapan]

if you're expecting some reaction from me i'm not going to be a whirlwind of emotional appeals when frankly i know i'm not obvtown this game, have no idea why anyone reads me as town to begin with, and don't have a solid handle on who is mafia so *fartz*

i mean i thought me not taking your claim at face value was p town but what do i know

[petapan]

i'll reread people today

[petapan]

I know this is irrelevant but if it was a joke he would've just been listing everybody who didn't towntell somehow. He wouldn't have included himself.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[petapan]

i have no snippy oneliners to shoot off so i am prod-dodging until i'm motivated to do some iso reads tomorrow

[petapan]

i had a pseudo-effortpost i wanted to make but i'm not posting it yet i saved it as a draft

4nx -

i want your reads on me, nacho, and empking

[petapan]

i saw that but you aren't talking to nacho like you have a scumread on him

[petapan]

that's because I'm trying to convince him to bus jarvis

this does not make sense

[petapan]

i don't see why you wouldn't try to lynch someone that would confirm you as town if they flip scum and i want to know why you scumread nacho - scumreading seastorm i understand but seastorm isn't here anymore

[petapan]

effortposting my draft from earlier

think most of the dream theory stuff is dumb and kind of nonsense but i do have a thought that the oddness with today's dream is either nacho lying, which would be a really really dumb thing, or that the game itself has some sort of auto-balancing mechanic - not mod-influenced, just that with a limited number of scum left, the dreams only repeat information in order to avoid scum losing in some sort of pseudo-dethy way. i don't think discussing this at length is helpful but that's the assumption i'm working with and i want to make it known.

regardless the info from the dreams is true, completely independent of the alignment of the people claiming them. so pv and greygnarl are clear and i'm not going to bother reading them for this. this also means that the dreams claimed are likely unaltered, which has me wanting to think it's a town-tell because it seems stupid as hell to give the town accurate information as scum but i've seen people do stupid as hell things as scum so i hesitate there

ugh I was going to say I think N is town then i reread him and his one major scumread was rach, his effortposts stink, his anxiety vote today sucks, and I can't remember for the god damn life of me what struck me as town about him other than interactions and his opening post

jarvis i still think is town he's kind of annoying but i'm not sure why people actually suspect him? feels like he's legit trying to scumhunt etc no great way to explain it although i have no idea why he's not following up on his suspicion of me from yesterday

staeg is literally a bunch of white noise and nothing, the timing of him moving his vote from rach to KoC is terrible, nothing aside from the dream claim is town about him and i'd still probably lynch him

deasvail comes across as

sounding

town in his posts but i don't really have anything substantive there, his read of KoC early game was pretty damn odd

seastormjt was a POS and fishy as hell with the timing of her votes/posts, nacho is a lot better but i have to admit i'm paranoidto a degree - still generally seems to be looking at the game insightfully and i have a soft spot for people who suspect me

empking is empking, but i generally thought shiidaji was town he aggressively called out KoC and i just overall liked his posts although this one is a little bit weird as is him townreading me but i probably wouldn't vote him today

4nx, what bugs me about him but i have trouble explaining is that most of his votes seem to come with very little

why

attached to them, and when it is there it reads very surface, not like genuine analysis and it's stupid as hell for me to be trying to meta him off of one game but i feel like he was a lot more analytical in abarat - i'll do some legwork to confirm this before i vote but given that i don't townread him vs the other 2 people i'm pretty sure i'm gonna vote him

[petapan]

biggest thing that bugs me on a reread is how he clings hard to the konowa vote but never goes beyond "this looks like he's setting up connections between these players" (which later proved to be invalid) and not talking about the person he was voting. granted jarvis did a similar tunnelvision thing so maybe i'm a stupid fucker but here it just lacks real conviction

[petapan]

nope not buying it

VOTE: 4nxi3ty

[petapan]

i mean if he thinks i'm scum he obviously thinks you're town and this is stupid as hell for me to say but there are valid reasons to suspect me atp - i'm going to be suspicious at this point of people who don't suspect me at all, and to say it's 'busywork' like his reasoning is completely implausible is uhh what

[petapan]

sigh you have an incredibly low opinion of your own play this game

can you blame me? i've not been exactly on-point this game

i dunno man like

i'll go back and read him but i'm really not feeling what you are saying

UNVOTE:

unvoting so no one steals the hammer

[petapan]

because nacho and staeg are claiming matching information that includes them in the dreams

meaning that even if one is scum, the information about who the scumz could be is still true and if they're both scum it would still meet the conditions

and right now either nacho is a lying liar that will get exposed immediately, oor i'm think there's possibly some-autobalancing mechanic for when there's only 2 scumz left so that they don't get dethy'd by dreams where he just receives an amalgam of previous dreaminfo. that wouldn't be 'mod-influenced' but rather determined by the ruleset.

we'll see it's just a sillytheory but regardless, we have 2 pools with 1 scum each in 'em and PV and greygnarl are as good as clear

[petapan]

peta, would you say you've been putting a lot of depth behind your analysis? because I don't think you've had much depth on any of your scumreads this game, although I do think you've had a couple good townreads.

i rarely do

trying to be deeply analytical rarely works out for me as re-reading tends to gray my own reads, even looking through isos is kind of painful. open to criticism but i can't much help it