The game of the year: town won!

[Amrun]

The Mini-Librarian is actual scum. He was trying SO SO SO hard to fit into the crowd with chesskid. He thought chesskid was going to be lynched anyway and wanted to be part of the cool kid party.

Btw, fuck you guys. I like playing with chesskid.

VOTE: Mini-Librarian

Rhinox, syndromeofadown, and Hoopla are town. (Going to share my townreads in this game due to numbers.)

I think I had another townread but I forget.

I hate Rhinox's plan. I want to scumhunt naturally. Putting limitations on it like that will decrease town motivation and threat perception of the scum.

I also think Johhog is pretty scummy and wouldn't mind that going down.

I don't think Ice Guy is particularly likely in this game to be scum. Not the worst lynch for wifom, but I lean town.

I don't want to PL redff. I'd much rather pl players likely to flake, like Captain Corporal. I don't plan to tolerate lurkers in this game.

P-edit: Oh snap, I'll have to re-read that wagon later.

[Amrun]

Oh, God, I don't think I can read all of this. I would say I will catch up, but realistically speaking, I probably won't as it will keep growing at an insane rate.

Fritz - MoS is v/la right now.

dramonic will probably CONTINUE to not post and lurk, so that's a great policy lynch, as is Captain Corporal, as I noted earlier. And Moneybags probably isn't the worst ever, but the other two would be better. I have 0 opinion on any of their alignments at this point.

[Amrun]

Wait, wait.

Okay, coalitions are dumb. Let's disband them.

Hoopla, I want to join your coalition to disband coalitions.

UberNinja is probably not scum.

p-edit: Also getting town vibes off of BBmolla.

[Amrun]

PS, Zoraster hasn't posted yet either. There are probably others.

[Amrun]

I'm a day cop.

[Amrun]

Here's the better question do you really think scum would be 5 men wide when mimes were what 3-4 deep? And then the game would be almost over at 19. I don't see that happening.

You think there are less than five scum in a 50 player game? o.O

[Amrun]

mod: Why is johhoq still in the vote count? Does Theamatuer really have two votes?

fixed

[Amrun]

Do we actually think moneybags is scum? If so, I'm okay with sheeping some townreads onto that wagon. If it's just a random policy thing, I'll take some time to find someone better.

-wdit: Trevor, why did that make you scared to vote?

[Amrun]

Techno, thoughts on Milk please. And why you decided to first say that moneybags is scummy, then say that you think Milk is more scummy, but still end up voting money.

I like this post.

VOTE: techno

[Amrun]

Amrun was your daycop claim serious?

I DON'T KNOW, IS IT?

[Amrun]

Ok, I've done an extensive re-read of the game, and here are my reads on everyone:

Spoiler:

In

this

game? YEAH RIGHT

...admit it, you totally fell for it.

And here are the correlations between possible scum pairs/trios based on my reads:

Spoiler:

The fact that you even

opened

this spoiler speaks poorly to your adaptive learning skills.

On the bright side though, it might say something good about your sense of humor!

STOP BEING A KILLJOY BBMOLLA =[

In all seriousness, I'll probably skim the game at some point and place a real vote.
For now though, there's way too much shit flying around for me to give a rat's ass.

In case anyone missed UN admitting to trolling...here you go. Lynch it with FIRE

Why would that have anything to do with being scum or not?

[Amrun]

I asked you a question, T-Bone.

[Amrun]

@Amrun - Because trolling is anti-town.

What? How? I asked how it's INDICATIVE OF SCUM, and you answered so vaguely. You're just latching onto obnoxious behavior and hoping you can get a mislynch out of it.

VOTE: T-Bone

Vote: trevor

I also like this vote.

[Amrun]

Why do you think Fritzler is scum?

[Amrun]

T-Bone, I have no idea how many votes you have and I do not CARE.

You STILL haven't answered my question and you're scummy as fuck.

[Amrun]

Well I'm going on V/la. Might get a post or two in tomorrow late night. On that note, silly BBmolla, not Town cat, Vanilla Townie.

EDIT: I answered your fucking question Armun. I'll answer it again. UN's behavior is anti-town. Thus he is anti-town. I'm getting fucking frustrated with your blatant retard-like reading ability.

I didn't ask if he was anti-town. You didn't say, "We should lynch Uber Ninja because he's anti-town." You said that he is SCUM. You repeatedly refused to answer my question as to why his behavior makes him scum.

[Amrun]

T-Bone: redFF, petapan, manho, Fritzler, and all the lurkers have anti-town behavior. Are they all anti-ton?

I'd say yeah. Statistically of course not everyone who exhibits anti-town behavior can be scum, but it's a good starting point.

Show me meta of you espousing this terrible crap elsewhere.

[Amrun]

Go look for it your fucking self. Meta arguments are shit.

Sorry, a bit much.

------

Go look for it yourself.

I can understand your aggression.

Amrun, stop being an arrogant prick. YOU are the one coming off scummy as fuck. incorrect wording while being haggled or voting anti-town isn't scummy, it's simply poor decision making at BEST. Vote jumping, riding one person over small elements of what they say, OMGUSing and lacking any credible scumhunting IS scummy.

I'm not being arrogant at all. I don't care about his incorrect wording. I asked him to tell me what was scummy about UberNinja, and he had NO ANSWER. Literally none at all. THAT'S what's scummy.

NONE of the things you listed are scummy except for not having any credible scumhunting, which isn't even true.

[Amrun]

IS CC BEING LYNCHED? That's a good thing.

[Amrun]

Oh, nvm, I forgot T-Bone was scum. Why is he not dead?

V/la for the weekend

[Amrun]

But aiming for a modkill like that is pretty sketch.

[Amrun]

Is T-Bone being lynched? Good.

[Amrun]

WHY ISN'T TBONE DEAD

[Amrun]

Because he's SCUM. He had NO IDEA why UberNinja should be scum when I asked him. He DIDN'T KNOW. He obviously DIDN'T CARE. He was hoping he could ride that obnoxious behavior to a lynch without ever justifying why it was scum behavior (and it wasn't).

[Amrun]

How would you even know that? lol. You're wrong anyway.

[Amrun]

Shows how much you know me (not). I yell at people for being idiots all the time.

Also, I have fully explained my scumread on T-Bone, so stop.

[Amrun]

Wow, that was incredibly rude for no reason at all.

Fuck you.

I'm done. Wake me up when he's dead.

[Amrun]

I have explained reasons. I think those reasons are compelling. T-Bone's responses to my questions were absolutely scummy. it's the scummiest thing I've seen so far. I'm voting for it, and I'm going to push it, period. It's a hell of a lot better than any of the other lynches that have been lynched for absolutely no fucking reason at all.


FUCK YOU, T-BONE. I HAVE NEVER SAID ANYTHING LIKE THAT TO YOU.

[Amrun]

YOU DIDN'T ANSWER IT WHEN I ASKED

YOU ANSWERED IT LATER AFTER YOU HAD TO THINK ABOUT IT

FUCK YOU I HOPE YOU DIE

[Amrun]

I'm going to have one more post since apparently there's been some confusion.

T-Bone, you're being a fucking humongous douche bag. You're attacking me PERSONALLY because I am attacking you in the game. I am too stressed out to handle that right now and you should feel fucking ashamed, regardless of your alignment.

But the "I hope you die" comment was meant as "I hope you die (in game)." I got "warned" for saying "I hope you die" in a MAFIA GAME, which is bullshit, considering you have been personally attacking me and I bet you didn't get shit.

I've been v/la for days for shit happening in my life and FUCK YOU X27,0000 for telling me to replace out. I'm not posting for the rest of the day because I've had enough. I'm clearly too fucked up because of Real Life Things to handle people taking things beyond the game right now, and clearly, no one else in this game has a problem with him being so unnecessarily mean to me, so I'm just out. I'll be back tomorrow, hopefully with a T-Bone scumflip.

[Amrun]

VOTE: T-Bone

[Amrun]

Hoopla is still as town as she was yesterday.

[Amrun]

a T-bone flip would tell us more than any arguably any other flip right now.

Why?

Are you serious?

[Amrun]

He claimed VT yesterday, Hoopla.

And no, this is NOT the generic quicklynch. This has carried over from yesterday, where we STRUGGLED and LABORED to kill him, and ultimately failed. His hammer was fucking atrociously survivavilistic and his play is terribly scummy. He needs to DIE.

[Amrun]

What the fuck is this shit?

VOTE: LowMan

He's acting shady.

I'm happy T-Bone is dead even if he was town.

I think this lynching shit is trolling and I'm ignoring it for now.

[Amrun]

Amrun, theamateur, uberninja, kondi2424, mattp, luffy, Thetrollie, lowman, spyrex, Staeg

T-Bone's lynch patrol.

The next lynch needs to be one of these, before mafia push another mislynch. Chances are there were multiple scum pushing this wagon so our chances of hitting scum is quite good.

Because to be honest, T-Bone's lynch was one of the stupidest I have ever seen, and there was little to no accurate tells on him, just nit-picking, random voting and bandwagoning. I wouldn't be suprised if the majority of those players are scum. Theamateur is probably the only one I have a townread on, and its subtle at best. In fact, I would be happy to lynch half of them today.

Starting with Matt P.

@Robotnick2 no one is policy lynching red today. We have a list of suspects right there, with scumtells pouring out of nearly every one of them.

This post is bad and you should feel bad. The T-Bone wagon was probably MOSTLY town. He did scummy things and then acted like a total jerk, THEN hammered in a scumtastic way. Those things garner votes from town. There could be scum on there, but with 40 players and 10 or whatever to lynch, quicklynches aren't a tell and wagon analysis is a whole different ball park. There isn't necessarily scum on every lynch wagon.

I happen to be voting someone on the wagon, but that's because I find him scummy. This sort of terribad wagon analysis needs to be nipped in the bid. The Moneybags wagon is far more likely to be scumfilled than this one, as that one had literally no basis at all. That and CC. Still, I haven't bothered to look at them yet because when it's only a % to lynch, scum don't HAVE to push mislynches like they normally do.

The wagons will be useful when we have a scumflip or two, but not yet.

[Amrun]

Elmo, vote for Lowman.

[Amrun]

No, lynching off of a wagon of 8 people is just as bad as Rhinox's plan of splitting us into 5 groups of 10s. It forces scumhunting to be manufactured. And in this case, there is ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANATEE THAT SCUM WERE ON THE WAGON, so it's a pointless waste of time. Scum MAY have been on the wagon, but we'll find them otherwise.

You may have been right on Moneybags; I missed the beginning of that wagon, and when I asked if he was suspected and why, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING, so I assumed it was policy.

I absolutely believed T-Bone was scum, and I was pushing him as scum before he decided to attack me personally, which was NOT understandable or acceptable. At that point, I wanted him dead even more, but I thought he was scum.

Luffy seems like he's genuinely trying and I don't understand the case on him. I don't understand the case on MattP either, but that's probably because I keep skimming the walls because my eyes glaze over. It seems more legit than the one on Luffy.

[Amrun]

It is EXACTLY the same as Rhinox's proposal. There is no guarantee there is scum on the T-Bone wagon. None. NONE!

I don't see any of the things you said as particular scumtells in a game of this size, magnitude, feeling, and speed. They're good to note for the future, but my good vibe from him over ride it all. I can see all of those things coming from town, the T-Bone vote probably even more so from twon. Scum would just say, "I thought he was scum" and leave it at that.

Also, how can it scream "bussing"... WTF. T-Bone was town and UN hasn't flipped, and I have a strong town read on him anyway. Even if you believe UN is scum (do you?), then your vote should be THERE instead of on Luffy.

[Amrun]

Plus UN has had enough people scumhunting him with pages of reasoning that there is no need for me to pressure vote him.

Never, ever true.

And so you're just bandwagoning - just like you say Luffy did. Why is it a scumtell for him and not for you?


NEVER vote based on unflipped alignments EVER.

[Amrun]

Your reasons are all bad and the only reason that would be compelling (bussing) is only true if UN is scum. You admitted that you think UN should die first, but you are voting Luffy because he has a bandwagon on him. So yes, you are bandwagoning. Luffy wasn't JUST bandwagoning either - and yes, his reasons for voting T-Bone were kind of bad, but that doesn't mean he didn't have reasons.

[Amrun]

Your "read" is based off of Luffy "bussing" UN, so that's absolutely not true. It doesn't make any sense. You said you were only voting Luffy because he had a wagon on him and UN did not.

[Amrun]

Btw, Tech is probably town for his paranoia, just misguided.

[Amrun]

BBmolla, seriously, don't say GOODPOSTING at me with your vote on me. You're being ridiculous.

[Amrun]

No, but you making a post like that without even ADDRESSING the fact that you're voting for me is terrible.

[Amrun]

Why do you think one, and only one, of me and tehcueouehw is scum?

[Amrun]

So you know there's one scum team?

[Amrun]

That or a lucky doc/roleblocker. But I don't see why I have reason to believe there are two with the evidence given.

....

seriously

lol

[Amrun]

Honestly? I think there is a much higher chance of two scum teams in THIS game, though it's not a sure thing. And even so, ONE night of one flip means NOTHING, which was more my point.

[Amrun]

Btw, if UN ever DOES lynch scum, lynch tech with great haste and prejudice. But I think UN is town, so.

[Amrun]

Trevor - remind me - were you scum in that one Large Normal we played in that got eaten by tigers, where I nailed the godfather on day1? I think it was swyellowtial.

[Amrun]

go lowman lynch go

luffy is probably town

too tired for anything else

[Amrun]

Hey guys, I am back from V/LA. Anything I need to know? Who are we lynching.

LOWMAN

VOTE LOWMAN

[Amrun]

Kondi is also town.

[Amrun]

why did you dumb fucks lynch luffy

i haven't read the lead up... can't remember if i said

v/la until tuesday

[Amrun]

Zdenek is town.

[Amrun]

VOTE: milk

[Amrun]

Why are we voting for fritzler?

And redFF - bullet a case on kondi in your next post.

[Amrun]

Bleh.

UNVOTE: Zdenek
VOTE: LowMan

Since mod has stated plainly there will be no replacements (and it'd be hard finding someone willing to replace into a 90-page game) getting lynched is my best option for leaving the game.

This account is being retired due to alt-slipping in one of my other ongoing games.

Ugh, I suspected Lowman a lot yesterday, but this probably makes him town, which is super unfortunate, considering he's obviously not going to post at all anymore.

Someone tell me why there are fritzler votes because I don't see it.

[Amrun]

VOTE: fritzler

But if he's town, Chronopie is next.

[Amrun]

OMG MATTP IS THAT BITCH

[Amrun]

GORGEOUS

analysis incoming, h/o

[Amrun]

k. I've just played a few mm games with him and haven't had any trouble so I just wanted to know why people didn't like him.

Anyway let's keep this going.

VOTE: The Mini Librarian

Wait, so you don't know why people dislike him, in fact you never had any trouble with him, yet you want to quicklynch him before he gets a chance to post? Sounds pretty opportunistic to me.

FOS: syndromeofadown

Also, is his username making fun of people with Down's Syndrome? That is pretty messed up. Modkill requested please.

Only person he only FoSed. Weird.

I already made a deal with Hoopla.

Vote: redFF

Keeping my word.

unvote, vote: redff

redff is basically conftown.

T-Bone, I would like to create a coalition of the willing with you to lynch the other 2-3 lynches we have (I don't know if the Izak lynch counts). Who do you think we should let in our coalition and why? We need 8 other members.

Is Mastermind of Sin in this game? He hasn't posted. If he had, I would nominate him to be part of the town death squad.

Weird mention of MoS.

I actually meant that Tech and Aumrum-ineum (like Finding Nemo saying ammonium) are town. You are pretty legit, but don't want to fall under my command....eh...

Vote: UN

UN is town. Kind of strange mention of Tech, makes me slightly suspicious, but otherwise read tech as town.

Trevor
is CONFIRMED TOWN
who is also now granted IMMORTALITY of shots.

What if we lynched trevor. Then, if he actually died we lynch ellibereth for lying?

Very confused by this - how would trevor dying "prove ellibereth wrong?" Trevor would have to flip scum for this.

Vote: SpyreX

FOS: Everyone not voting SpyreX

SpyreX and Chevre both probtown.

VOTE: Trevor

[Amrun]

Why? You seriously think fitz would buddy a scumbuddy that hard?

[Amrun]

VOTE: milk

Bleh.

UNVOTE: Zdenek
VOTE: LowMan

Since mod has stated plainly there will be no replacements (and it'd be hard finding someone willing to replace into a 90-page game) getting lynched is my best option for leaving the game.

This account is being retired due to alt-slipping in one of my other ongoing games.

Ugh, I suspected Lowman a lot yesterday, but this probably makes him town, which is super unfortunate, considering he's obviously not going to post at all anymore.

Someone tell me why there are fritzler votes because I don't see it.

SpyreX, what is the point of this post?


Also, anyone wanting to lynch Jackal now should feel fucking ashamed of themselves. Jesus Christ.


It's been a long time since sykedoc posted, so that's a pretty valid lurker lynch, but why is everyone ignoring my post about Trevor? I expected him to be dead by now.

Also I think funkybike is town.

[Amrun]

He wasn't trying to lynch you. He assumed you would flip scum. Now, why would scum do that? Hmm.

And I suspected you earlier on, though lately you have been trying so I've been kind of ignoring you. You are playing very, very differently than in that other game, which is why I asked if you were scum.

[Amrun]

i can't read fritzler. he's acting stipud, but not scummy.

But manho votes Fritzler with no explanation after the wagon is obviously inevitable. BUDDY ALERT WOO WOO WOO

LowMan, if your issue with the game is altslipping, why not replace your alt with your main? (At least one alt has done that already this game.)

Meanwhile: SpyreX is probably town, but seems to be insisting on anti-town play. The only reasonable non-tedious point that's been made recently is Peregrine's point, so I'll go join him on his wagon.

VOTE: BBmolla

Also suspect callforjudgment as buddy. Totally, 100% completely ignores the Fritzler wagon despite posting votecounts, trying to support a counterwagon here.

If you started lynching the lurker list, it'll probably be best to continue. There's probably scum in there, and we knew going in we were going to lose a few VT's out of it.

Ignores Fritzler; passively supports lurker hunt. Scumpoints.

I don't even care if he is scum

vote: Fritzler

Not a bus.

VOTE: Fritzler

To help keep this game moving.

Not a bus.

vote: fritzler

Totally a bus.

VOTE: manho

As much as I do think Trevor should die, this just feels so right and the Trevor thing is full of wifom, inherently.

manho must die. It has been decreed.

[Amrun]

Be more useless, BBmolla and YYR. I wonder if it's possible.

[Amrun]

Why do you think?

Honestly? Half of me suspects you don't like the pressure he puts on you and that would be a simple way to get him out of the way. I have seen RedFF call you names before and you never requested a modkill over it. And if you are town asking for someone else you have a town read on to get killed is suspicious to say the least. But then again RedFF is kind of a dick, so the other half of me can see why you don't want to play with him.

Chronopie's "k by me." is kind of weird after Fritzler's flip.

Also suspect callforjudgment as buddy. Totally, 100% completely ignores the Fritzler wagon despite posting votecounts, trying to support a counterwagon here.

What is more towny behavior - not seeing a case and voting someone else you think is scummy or not seeing a case and voting that same person anyway? Because that's exactly what you did. Also, what's your deal with Trevor? I'm not following your case a all, if you even posted one.

There's not much I can do. The only thing worth mentioning is that you said that you didn't understand the Fritzer votes, and then proceeded to vote him anyway even though no one really gave you a reason after you post. Instead you chose what seemed to be an arbitrary target from the current lynch wagon in the event that Fritzer flipped town.

You're saying Amrun is suspicious/scummy while at the same time are saying Fritzler + Amrun aren't scumbuddies? Explain.

You're missing something important. There's a huge difference between "not seeing a case" and voting another suspect and totally ignoring the leading the wagon and supporting other bandwagons. The former is what PeregrineV did (and he's probably town for it) and the latter is what callforjudgment did, and it's scummy.

I decided to support the Fritzler wagon for a couple of reasons, some of which I'll tell you now and the rest of which I won't. a) I looked at his activity and noticed how much it had dropped off lately, b) I found the way his wagon formed quite interesting and thought Chronopie's hop on was scummy, among others, and this meant that his flip would give me something to go on. As it turned out, I now think Chronopie is town because of all that.

As for Trevor, after fritzler flipped, I went through his ISO to see what stuck out, and Ellibereth called Trevor conftown, and fritzler responded with something like, "I wonder if we should lynch Trevor to prove Elli wrong so we can lynch him afterwards for lying." Ie, he assumes that Trevor will flip scum (but yet never voiced any actual suspicion of Trevor as far as I can tell). So it was really weird and I think he should die for it. But manho should do it. If only I had about 5 votes.

nstead you chose what seemed to be an arbitrary target from the current lynch wagon in the event that Fritzer flipped town.

What event would Fritzler flip town but also be scumbuddies with Amrun? I guess that's the part that confuses me

I was rephrasing that she said she would try to lynch Chronopie if Fritzer flipped town. Wording is a tad confusing I suppose.

Regardless of this, I'm still not really sure that Amrun particularly scummy. This whole game is hard to get a good grasp on, and a lot of town (if not most of us) are playing what can be seen as anti-town behavior. I still can't even fully comprehend the Fritzer lynch, and it developed pretty quickly. I suppose some heavy bussing could have been the cause, but it still developed far too quickly I think.

If you think there was heavy bussing involved in the Fritzler lynch, why haven't you analyzed the wagon? That goes for Hoopla as well, actually.

[Amrun]

*die too, not do it. lol weird.

[Amrun]

As for Trevor, after fritzler flipped, I went through his ISO to see what stuck out, and Ellibereth called Trevor conftown, and fritzler responded with something like, "I wonder if we should lynch Trevor to prove Elli wrong so we can lynch him afterwards for lying." Ie, he assumes that Trevor will flip scum (but yet never voiced any actual suspicion of Trevor as far as I can tell). So it was really weird and I think he should die for it. But manho should do it. If only I had about 5 votes.

OK amrun. Let's say that I am scum and ellibareth is town. Why would friztler bus me just to lynch a town? Did you even consider that maybe fritzler might have tried to apply pressure onto me and get me lynched?

Of course I did. But he actually didn't do this at all ever. He didn't even vote for you when you had wagons etc.

The point is that Fritzler didn't ACTUALLY bus you. If he had seriously gunned for your lynch, it would be totally different. But he didn't. He just made a passing "haha" comment that I don't think was meant to be serious, but may have accidentally contained a buddyslip.

[Amrun]

OK, so I just ISOed manho. His early posts are bad, his late posts are bad, his posts in the middle are pretty good, though. Not confident enough he's scum to join the wagon, but I'm not confident he's town either.

(Oh, and it seems it's Milk who's on my votecount but shouldn't be.)

This post is unbelievably bad.


But my beautiful wagon <3

[Amrun]

Stop posting idiotically scummy things and I'll stop commenting on them.

I don't give a flying shit about you calling me scum. You also clearly don't know what OMGUS is. I'm so fucking sick of seeing that buzzword thrown around in ridiculous fashions as if it means something.

My appraisal of you CLEARLY originated in wagon analysis. Stop ignoring major wagons that turn out to be scum and you might stop showing up in wagon analysis.

This game... lol

[Amrun]

YES

IS THAT A LYNCH???

SHOW ME THE RED

[Amrun]

HAHAEOIUREAHAHE

OWEIURHAHAHA


HEUAHA


SUCK IT

[Amrun]

Having second thoughts about Trevor.

BUT THAT'S OKAY 'CAUSE

VOTE: callforjudgment

way to avoid the scumwagon AGAIN, broski

[Amrun]

Too tired, will analyze manho and his wagon tomorrow.

[Amrun]

just noticed your signature, UberNinja, and I appreciate it.

[Amrun]

Vote: SpyreX

FOS: Everyone not voting SpyreX

VOTE: SpyreX

VOTE: T-bone

VOTE: T-Bone

what am i reading?

fritzler hasn't mentioned spyrex at all.
elmo hadn't mentioned spyrex at all.
matt's vote is actually good. he was voting t-bone before voting bbmolla some pages ago.
and that last quote is kondi's only post.

wait, kondi is not even in the player list.

elmo's reason for not scumhunting is bad.

the player size is big, but you knew that it will be that big when you /in it.

the wagons is most likely scum-driven in some sense, so sheeping is worse than random lynching.

the underlined is also targetting all those saying we need not scum-hunting until later.

vote: elmo

Townpoints for elmo, HUMONGOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS scumpoints for SpyreX.

night is so short. don't have time to read.

but i'll spend some time doing this:

Hey, can someone who is bored do ISO Zdenek, Trollie, and Chronopie, and give thoughts please? I think all 3 can fit the flying under radar scum profile.

zdenek is not scum. a scum flying under radar won't attack a player like him.
too little posts from trollie. but he is more likely scum flying under radar than townie not keeping up with the pace. not sure though.
chrono is likely town.

they all have little contribution since the mimes are gone, which is a small scum tell. and they are not commenting on wagons other than the one they are on, but i don't think it automatic makes them scum.

EBWOP: not reading all the ninja posts.

Zdenek is probtown. Chrono probtown. Trollie not sure.

lowman is town.
NS is scummy, but he is always scummy, so idk.
amrun is town.
kondi is likely scum.
spyrex is strange, but he is the powerful wizard. i would rather sheep him than go against him.

but spyrex is voting amrun. i think she is town. so i really don't know what to do.

i think i will not vote unless i have a strong scum read then.

This IS kind of a weird thing about NS ... but more important is the weird thing about SpyreX.

Guys, I know you want to lynch BBmolla, and he is being a super derp and might even be scum, but SpyreX is TOTALLY SCUM.

VOTE: SpyreX

[Amrun]

Wagon analysis is kind of boring - only significant people are callforjudgment, for being off of it but still posting and trying to drum up a wagon on me, and I kind of found NS' "Absolutely" a little bit scummy but still am not really feeling him as scum.

SpyreX KNEW Fritzler was at L-1 but didn't hammer - and posted a hammer after the real hammer fell. He's doing NOTHING but active lurking and throwing down hammers, which abdicates all wagon responsibility and is terrible, and I won't tolerate it any longer.

He's scum.

[Amrun]

DOUBLE FURTHER, if you dont lynch either of us I will literally just throw hammers down on anyone for the rest of the game and that will be the absolute extent of my contribution.

(abluh abluh abluh SpyreX is SCUM TBone is SCUM I AM ABUBUBHABA)

Wasn't that about T-Bone? He was lynched.

But yeah, you're still scum. Yes, I pushed the T-Bone wagon and was wrong. I also started the manho wagon and made that happen, and I was right.

So trying to dismiss my suspicion of you because I was wrong about T-Bone is scummy and super super beneath you.

[Amrun]

I KNOW you said you weren't going to contribute... How does that make NOT CONTRIBUTING any less bad?

That's not the reason I suspect you to be scum, but it would be a convenient scum tactic. manho's ISO is particularly incriminating in regards to you. He defends you when you're not even significantly threatened and just acts strangely about you all around.

I didn't understand the fritz wagon at first because no one presented a case - yes. So what? What are you even trying to say? You're just trying to discredit me without even trying to paint me as scum. So lazy.

[Amrun]

You're mistaking me with someone who cares. Sooo lazy is a hella ice burn this game snap. Let's not forget like 5 pages ago (ohh yea I'm followin along) you were sure I was town and then threw down another bad vote buttttt let's not stop that train.

Like I said as long as hoop dies soon I couldn't care less. I'm just flooredafter fritz flipping scum there's actually a doubt about this.

Do you have a good case linking the two? Perhaps it would serve you to re-state it rather than baw.

[Amrun]

...What?

[Amrun]

Oh, and Hoopla, why did you ask what the connection is between you and SpyreX, not what the connection is between you and Fritzler?

[Amrun]

Yeah, do some analysis, Elli. Those aren't good votes.

[Amrun]

No idea. My guess is at least 6, could be more?

[Amrun]

We're sheeping ME >:{

[Amrun]

He's not scum.

[Amrun]

PS: If you lynch me and you see that wonderful town flip if the next flip is BB Molla AND NOT HOOPLA I will hunt you down in the netherworlds and make sure your spirits never find release.

Yeah, no. You still won't even explain why. As zoraster pointed out, you are not even VOTING Hoopla.


Oh, and, speaking of, zoraster could be scum. Last time I saw him powerlurk, we were scumbuddies.

[Amrun]

when was that?

and i'm powerlurking because I was told I could because "no one will care for the first 10 weeks or so." So I really have no idea what's going on.

Flay's angels game.

And that's the most scum motivated statement I've ever seen. You're lurking because someone told you the town wouldn't care. Yeah. Scum much?

[Amrun]

Why not?

[Amrun]

MattP? What the fuck? I thought I'd be dead today, damnit.

Welp, time to actually read the rest of yesterday... (Well, later tonight when I'm at a comp)

Gj lynching another scum, no idea what happened there as of yet.

But it does probably mean spyrex is town from what I vaguely remember.

Until I can read and do analysis:

VOTE: callforjudgment

[Amrun]

Tech, serious? I got manho lynched.

But apparently some cop shenanigans happened or something and it ooks like MattP counterclaimed NS, which is hilarious. In that case, yeah, MattP kill makes sense. I haven't read the rest of yesterday yet.

[Amrun]

On the other hand, this practically confirms Spy and I as town (unless Spy is a Godfather). Scum would have no need to kill Matt unless he was right.

Nah, if you were scum, you could have killed him to be able to make that argument. It's all WIFOM.

If I were scum, the benefits of keeping Matt alive would greatly outweigh the benefits of killing him.

How so?

[Amrun]

I don't agree with kondi on this one, but he's town.

[Amrun]

He totally believes what he's saying.

[Amrun]

mod: Bbmolla is also voting callforjudgment

[Amrun]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SpyreX
Lynching town to move game forward.

I sure hope Mykonian learned something about setup design from this game.

This is the worst vote on the SpyreX wagon, in hindsight - it came after NS was starting to get attention, but before the fakeclaim. Don't like it.

MattP is so obviously lying it's not funny. At no point does he vote for nobody special until just now.

Zoraster is town. Town. TOWN.

Call just surrendered, didn't even fight back. He should be killed no question tomorrow.

If I die tonight, lynch Call tomorrow. Please for me. Thank you.

Please, let's remember this, k?

[Amrun]

and omfg call seriously managed to ignore 3/3 scum lynches

SO FUCKING SCUM

[Amrun]

Yes, I'm pretty sure kondi is scum.

Vote: kondi

For Delta: another great reason kondi is town.

Yes.

unvote

Voe: Chevre

Also Chevre is basically conftown. Would bet the game on this one.

Nobody Special's voting record isn't the greatest:
He first votes IceGuy pre-mime discovery, which isn't too bad. He actually gives reasons.
He then switches to UberNinja, with his only reasoning being that he wanted Trevor to "inexplicably die."
He then switches to Luffy, and even admits that he is sheeping SpyreX.
He then switches to LowMan, in what simply appears to be an attempt to spite UberNinja, who said LowMan wasn't getting lynched.
He switches back to Luffy, still with no reasoning. When Luffy is lynched, he switches to UberNinja, with no further reasoning provided.
He then switches to kondi2424, with no reasoning.
And now he switches to me, in what appears to be sheeping, because he didn't provide any reasons.

Nobody Special:

Why do you think me, kondi2424, and UberNinja are scum? If you have reasons, why did you not say these reasons in the posts in which you voted them?

Okay, this is a Big Fucking Game with LOTS OF POSTS. It's hard to keep up, it's hard to keep things straight. I did give a reason for UN; she's scummy. Directing lynches like she's all that and a bag of chips.

kondi is scummy because he's not doing any real scumhunting, just sheeping everyone else. You're scum because you just popped in after you got a couple votes.

Oh, and now, Trollie is scummy because he just completed a near-perfect game as scum, and he's acting much the same way here.

Everyone's foaming at the mouth trying to lynch everyone who overjustifies, and now you're trying to lynch me for not providing reasons (which I clearly did).

Sure, I'm scum, lynch me.

This is weird, because I first read this and thought, "OMG, no way would NS use meta to call a scumbuddy scum, but then I realized he never voted for Trollie at all. So idk.

Uber, let's start with Hoopla, since SpyreX says she's scum and he's a POWERFUL WIZARD and all that.

Vote: Hoopla

SpyreX: Why is Hoopla scum? I really don't think so. You need to make a case.

p-edit: YES, KONDI. YES.

[Amrun]

Blegh, I'll look for that in a bit. Fair point etc

[Amrun]

are you functionally retarded

[Amrun]

Also you apparently can't read. I analyzed NS AND his flip AND his wagon. Adurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp

[Amrun]

I'm sorry, that was rude. I"m in a bad mood. I apologize.

But basically everything in your post is wrong.

You posted during ALL THREE lynch wagons and NEVER VOTED ANY OF THEM, and more than that, NEVER even commented on their wagons despite posting vote counts. Plus you keep posting terribly scummy things like post 2724.

I talked about NS and his flip quite a lot today; I didn't talk about it yesterday because I was not around at all and did not post during that time period. Like have you read anything of this game ever.

I have posted quite a lot of reasoning for cfj scum. You're not even remotely paying attention but are pretending to do so. That's more.

[Amrun]

Oh, you did vote him, but in a way that etc. Talked about it before. Forgot.

kondi, I kind of like bbmolla as scum but not with cfj, so conflicted.

[Amrun]

So UN is unwilling to listen. Great.

Amrun, could you summarize BB-scum for me?

Useless pile of crap, also his NS vote as noted earlier.

[Amrun]

On another note, every wagon seems to come out of nowhere, with no place for discussion. It's just a few people leading the way. For example, if you look at Dramonic's ten posts, not one of them has made any attempt to be useful. The sad part is, most of us are the same way, just posting more often!

I can at least say I tried.

You haven't tried at ALL. You have zero content except wanting to lynch lurkers, while being a lurker yourself. I actually think you're probably town. But you're clearly not even fucking reading. You think cfj was lynched because of MattP, for example. Dumb.

MattP is officially awesome.

Fuck you and everyone else. I started that wagon - I suspected cfj first yesterday before MattP did. He was sheeping ME. I started the wagon today.

I never get credit for my scumlynches qq

Also your content is terrible

Looking over it, everyone seems to be taking MattP as if he was a god and not making their own opinions.

Read the game. Only theam is doing that.

Fuck yeah.

So was cfj's vote on BBmolla a bus or a deflection?

Definitely a deflection.

so far we have 10 town dead and 10 non-town (mimes, scum) dead. i'd say we are doing just about ok.

i am currently wondering why spyrex faded into the woodwork so quickly following the large amount of scum lynches.

vote: SpyreX

Amrun, kondi, funkybike, with me! let's git r done

No - NS interactions with SpyreX make him obvtown. Also BBmolla is CLEARLY, CLEARLY fucking town after the cfj flip. You're making me sad now.

He also said he thinks techno's scum

vote: techno

STOP IT

FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS

ARE YOU SCUM?

oh look another night passed while I was V/LA. Cool.

This is all you've posted all game.

VOTE: MoS

[Amrun]

This Captain Corporal wagon is ridiculous; and for reasons unrelated to the Corporal himself. I've just been rereading the thread (after sleeping in all morning) to update the vote count, and what really stood out to me was the way that all the most recent votes on the wagon have been unexplained and looked more like trolling than anything else.

VOTE: SpyreX

Elmo's and SpyreX's votes are just as bad, but SpyreX's wagon is bigger.

SpyreX, redff, un confirmed town. cfj HATEEEEEEEED bussing

It was between SpyreX and Elmo before. And if Elmo wants to be lynched so badly…

(I'd favour Chronopie for town over Elmo any day.)

VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN

prob elmo too

Oh, and I'm not up for lynching Muffin Wednesday just because he's kondi. We're past the time for policy lynches; lynching scum is better than lynching VIs. (Also, I don't know kondi, and what offences he might or might not have committed in the past.)

Well, he never mentioned his other scumbuddies ONCE except to ask ns if he had a post restriction, EVEN WHEN THEY WERE BEING RUN UP. So this is a bit weird but kondi is town for other reasons.

Btw, the recent conversation has been going nowhere; it'd be nice if people could post something useful for a change.

Going around taking townish-looking players and questioning their townishness is theoretically a scumtell, but I don't see scum actually do it very often. (It

is

, however, a scumtell that I like to accuse townies of making when I'm scum myself and trying to lynch them.)

I have some idea of Trevor's meta, btw, and he acts like this even as town. (I haven't seen him as scum, though, so I'm not sure if it's the same town or scum for him.)

Defended trevor with meta... trevor also probtown. so kondi is too. yeah.

VOTE: chevre

Just read the ISO, and ouch.

Chevre even more conftown.

VOTE: Nobody Special

I'm not sure I believe MattP's claim, but testing it is definitely worth spending a lynch on anyone.

This was SO AWKWARD and the only bus he did all game after I rode him so hard for ignoring the wagons. No way he was bussing on the others.

[Amrun]

Wagon analysis: Zajnet probtown

Hoopla avoided. meh. Need to re-read her.

[Amrun]

You know what.

SpyreX is town.

Let's go with this. Hoopla seemed to be voting in tandem with cfj a lot. Fritzler buddied her. She avoided all the scumlynches (didn't post at all) except for cfj and was late on the wagon with no reasoning.

VOTE: Hoopla

MoS does need death, but that's a lurkerlynch.

[Amrun]

Hoopla never voted fritzler; fritzler definitely buddied Hoopla hardcore and she even admitted it yesterday when I asked.

[Amrun]

Nah, Tech is probtown.

[Amrun]

Fritzler is a clever scum who set up obvious links between us. I'm only VT so at least SpyreX will have to reconsider his views when then happens.

I don't have much else to say, really. The town has been very effective in lynching scum with this aggressive bandwagoning technique, so I'm not bedrudging becoming a casualty of it. I'm surprised Amrun thinks I'm scum - she's usually a little more clued in.

I considered all that, of course - but I asked myself, "Would I trust this in endgame?" and the answer was no.

Honestly? I think you're probably a little more likely to flip town than scum, but HOPEFULLY, SpyreX can use this to start participating, and I do agree that his behavior regarding this is not becoming.

[Amrun]

BBMOLLA IS OBVIOUSLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY TOWN

[Amrun]

And no way scum goes out of his way to be like, "call townslipped." No way. kondi is town too.

[Amrun]

I considered all that, of course - but I asked myself, "Would I trust this in endgame?" and the answer was no.

You're implying you would trust MoS more in an endgame situation?

Yes. He doesn't have any special reason to be scum beyond lurking.

But as I said, they both have a strong case of the "needing deads."

p-edit: Stop complaining about shit when you haven't done ANYTHING AT ALL ALL GAME EVER.

[Amrun]

Yes. He doesn't have any special reason to be scum beyond lurking.

Yes, but even if you think MoS is more likely to be town than hoopla, would you really want someone who hasn't read the thread at all with you in lylo? Would you really trust someone with no reads at all? At least hoopla keeps up, and if she's scum there's plenty of time for her to slip. MoS isn't going to contribute anything at all, ever. If there are any doubts it's best to get rid of him now.

Well, I know him, and he's an extremely capable player. I trust that he'd get off his ass in LyLo.

I don't really intend to let him get to LyLo, though.

If we want to lynch MoS instead that's fine.

[Amrun]

That, too. We're on the right track, so far.

[Amrun]

Why are we trying to lynch SpyreX? He's town.

MoS, why do you think you can't be lynched?

[Amrun]

You're not at all obvtown, in any way, shape, or form. You have fucking zero content. What?

[Amrun]

I thought funkybike was town for some reason. I need to remind myself.

I also lean town on MoS now after his reaction to the wagon, as much as that annoys me.

[Amrun]

I had to do SOMETHING. You deserved that wagon.

[Amrun]

Lurker lynch? Okay.

VOTE: dramonic

We need to purge the lurkers; at least one scum is there.

[Amrun]

Chevre is conftown, theam. Are you like even remotely paying attention?

[Amrun]

HEY SCUM

DID MY BAITING YOU INTO KILLING KONDI WORK??