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Post Post #243 (isolation #0) » Wed May 16, 2012 10:19 am

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Oh dear. I think hell already broke loose :S

Note to self: Be calm, and brace yourself for the read...
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Post Post #263 (isolation #1) » Wed May 16, 2012 10:40 am

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In post 165, The Mini-Librarian wrote:URRRRRRRRRGH.

I was told Chesskid was a good policy lynch. I voted for him.
I take complete responsibility for that.


I brought up the "Chesskid was as good as dead thing" because I was accused of being opportunistic. Which is just false.

You know what have been more opportunistic for me? Not posting. Because I wouldn't have to expose myself
and
Chess would be dead.

So are you guys really voting me for asking why we are policy lynching someone and then going along with it?

(as of now, I'm on page 7)

This post is really stupid and is hellofa scummy. "Oh dear, woe is me!" Pulling the old WIFOM :roll:, and the whole tone seems like it's horrible.

If nothing happens when I reach the end, I'm voting you. Just a fair warning.

Well, then again, you might be a mime. Which would be fucked up.

(sorry I'm posting before I'm caught up, this just caught my eye)
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Post Post #269 (isolation #2) » Wed May 16, 2012 10:47 am

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In post 192, MattP wrote:
In post 190, BBmolla wrote:Honestly Mimes should just claim and we should just lynch them. I don't believe there is any incentive for us not to lynch them, they'll just get in the way.

That means they get to share in the town win for doing nothing, nty

Why did you shut down such a good plan before you even knew that Mimes end game when they all meet their win condition? Like, shit it right down? Why can't you at least entertain it for a while, so maybe the mimes claim, and we then decide to not lynch them?

In post 225, mykonian wrote:
In post 205, Moneybags wrote:
@mod: Can you confirm or deny that Mimes end the game when they meet their wincon?


I can confirm that.

This. Game. Just. Went. Psycho.

PS: I'm caught up :D
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Post Post #270 (isolation #3) » Wed May 16, 2012 10:48 am

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VOTE: The Mini-Librarian

Because I keep my promises.
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Post Post #291 (isolation #4) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:03 am

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In post 283, callforjudgement wrote:
I think that's a lynch!

I think the mod's vote count is missing imaginality's vote then?
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Post Post #333 (isolation #5) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:23 am

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In post 313, UberNinja wrote:I am not opposed to an izak death either.

And why aren't you opposed to a BB lynch?

Also, sorry, but did I miss you're other happy-to-go for the ride lynch? Because the
either
seems to imply that.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #6) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:28 am

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In post 328, UberNinja wrote:Why the HELL are people
justifying votes on other people
with "Keeping my word" and "I keep my promises"?

It's a fucking
50-player game
and I'll be damned if you need to justify
anything
on Day 1.

FOS on Fritzler and Fluffy. Fuckin fucks.

Oh good, so I won't be looking completely retarted if I just go around voting for people? Yea, because that is not suspicious at all. It's all because this is Day 1 and there are 50 players. I don't have to justify
anything
.

PS: I forgot to mention. I think you made a wrong turn on Mafia Boulevard back there.
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Post Post #363 (isolation #7) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:34 am

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In post 347, Johhog wrote:
In post 331, BBmolla wrote:
In post 327, MattP wrote:p-edit: Johhog is not town. Guaranteed now.

100% agreed.

K good, you're derptown.

Matt, the best move for scum is to lurk d1, especially in this game. Not WIFOM claim Mime/Mafia. If you think I'm scum, you must also assume I am retarded.

Scum right there.

Explain please. Because this looks like you're throwing shit in the air. Which it probably is, not matter what you're going to say. Also, keep that in mind when you answer. If I hear shit, I'm voting.

And that's a promise. I kept my last one ;)
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Post Post #370 (isolation #8) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:39 am

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Psst. Why aren't more people voting VOTE: UberNinja?
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Post Post #381 (isolation #9) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:43 am

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In post 371, YYR wrote:Is petapan a redFF alt?


Haaha lol this made me laugh :P

Yea. Just wanted to point that out. Nothing to say in this second. Maybe in a second or two I will :P
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Post Post #393 (isolation #10) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:47 am

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In post 383, izakthegoomba wrote:Someone present an actual case on me.

kthx

tl;dr

Actually, you should probably be acting less scummy if you're town. Kthx.
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Post Post #400 (isolation #11) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:50 am

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In post 384, BBmolla wrote:Red and Izak, thoughts on both.


If Izak is town, he should probably stop talking. Or maybe he is town because he keeps talking? Or maybe he is scum who wants us to think he is town for keeping on talking? I'll try to make up my mind soon.

Red should probably be lynched. Just because he would analyze the people on his wagon good.
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Post Post #410 (isolation #12) » Wed May 16, 2012 11:55 am

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I'll leave the honors to Matt then :P
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Post Post #425 (isolation #13) » Wed May 16, 2012 12:00 pm

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It's one of izak or BBmolla today. Not both. Decide people.

Though UberNinja should be before them both.
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Post Post #563 (isolation #14) » Wed May 16, 2012 1:53 pm

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In post 541, T-Bone wrote:THIS. So much this. Can the 'One-Line Post Peanut Gallery' stop posting or perhaps...and bare with me, this is a crazy idea...stop posting or GASP scumhunt. Either or would be fine.

OMG…. *GASP*.

How do you prefer people should scumhunt, sir? By taking random.org, generating random numbers, and then blocking them? Excellent technique, I must say.
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Post Post #566 (isolation #15) » Wed May 16, 2012 1:57 pm

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Can someone clarify if Iza is dead or no? My Tylenol bottle ran out. Have to go to the drugstore for more.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #16) » Wed May 16, 2012 2:03 pm

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Oh look, a wagon I can jump on.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: T-bone

I still want UberNinja lynched. If this fails, I'm hopping back.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #17) » Wed May 16, 2012 2:16 pm

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In post 572, Kairyuu wrote:
In post 561, izakthegoomba wrote:Kairyuu, what have you done?


I have done things. Glorious things. Things that will be revealed whenever myko logs back on.

Long story short I sent an action to the mod that would cause your lynch to fail and something else to happen instead. As for what happened instead, I would have to be an IDIOT to reveal that before the mod comes back. If it worked, and I was right, good things happen. If it didn't work, I'll try again. If it worked but I was wrong, oh well.


Does this role have anything to do with you alignment? Or can it go to any alignment?
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Post Post #576 (isolation #18) » Wed May 16, 2012 2:21 pm

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Oh, btw, I told the drugstore to deliver my Tylenol ASAP. So I'll try to keep my headaches under control ;) *

*I should prob stop spamming :shifty:
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Post Post #580 (isolation #19) » Wed May 16, 2012 2:31 pm

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In post 579, T-Bone wrote:@Luffy - I dunno, by analyzing posts and or not spamming the thread with one-line BS? Or asking questions for meaningful discussion? That'd be a good start. Page 23...I see none of that happening. A little discussion about Izak's impending lynch/not lynch, some One-Liners, and some bandwagon hoppers because it's "cool" I suppose. I'd like someone to go through Page 23 and quote every single scumhunting post...because I don't see a single one. That's not a slight to Callfor, Izak, Trevor, or Kairyuu, since they are talking about the Izak lynch. So I got a question for you, what have you done in terms of scumhunting or meaningful discussion?


In post 572, Kairyuu wrote:
I have done things. Glorious things.
Things that will be revealed whenever myko logs back on.
Probably not this :P


Your turn.
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Post Post #586 (isolation #20) » Wed May 16, 2012 3:39 pm

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In post 577, UberNinja wrote:why the fuck do you want me lynched, but you're voting t-bone, who was also voting for me?

looool


So, why are you suggesting I should be buddying?

Sorry, but a person who is randomly blocking and another who is suggesting that we go on the day randomly lynching people
can
both be scummy. Why is it wrong to want both of you on the witch burning list?
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Post Post #589 (isolation #21) » Wed May 16, 2012 3:51 pm

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In post 587, UberNinja wrote:i'm saying what the oracle would say were she here: you need to make up your damn mind

what you are saying is inconsistent and thus puts you on *my* witch burning list

Unvote; Vote: Luffy

:roll: This is the conversation:

Uber: Blah blah blah. People shouldn't be justifying their votes Day1. More scummy stuff. Whatever.
Me: *votes*
T-bone: *votes Uber out of nowhere*
T-bone: Lalala. Let me throw these weird random.org blocks out there.
Me: o.O *votes T*
Uber: Oh lookie! He's voting the person who was voting with him against me! He must be scum!

You're suggesting that because T-bone was also agreeing with me on your vote, that I should see him as innocent? When he didn't justify his vote at all? Nor any of his lists? No, the enemy of my enemy is
not
my friend. You are not both mutually scummy. It's independent cases.

Where is my inconsistency? For saying both of you are scummy?
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Post Post #590 (isolation #22) » Wed May 16, 2012 3:55 pm

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In post 588, Muffin Wednesday wrote:Calling it a night.

This ^
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Post Post #632 (isolation #23) » Thu May 17, 2012 12:13 am

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Fuck yea. Kairyuu, you're freaking awesome :P

Also, there were 6 jester team? Seems somewhat difficult for them to actually win.

Also, I think we're down to 43 right now.

MOD: Does the Izak lynch count as a lynch, or does it not? As in, do we have 3 lynches or 2 left right now?
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Post Post #633 (isolation #24) » Thu May 17, 2012 12:13 am

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^ Ignore me please. I'm stupid. Have to read whole posts from now on :P
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Post Post #634 (isolation #25) » Thu May 17, 2012 12:18 am

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In post 628, TeChNoWC wrote:
Not sure I like the T-Bone wagon. Is everyone hating on him for taking charge of town? Not something I mind, eagerness is better than sneakiness, and someone who can keep track of this game is a valuable asset.

No, everyone is hating him because of his failed and awkward attempt to take charge of town. Also, it's not a valuable asset to comfirm town all the way at the beginning of day 1 without explanations, and then throwing some scummy list and saying these are the people that should be lynched.
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Post Post #645 (isolation #26) » Thu May 17, 2012 12:58 am

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In post 636, TeChNoWC wrote:Anyone worth reading (other than T-Bone, obviously)? Fuck reading the whole thread at this stage, it would bore me to tears.

You should probably at least try skimming the thread, what is important to some people might be different than others.

But some critical events: The Chesskid lynch, the TML lynch, the failed Red lynch, the Izak lynch (which first went up, then down, and then moved up again), Kairyuu stopping it, the attention BB and to a lesser extent, UberNinja, have been getting, the somewhat small lynch wagons on them, the T-bone thing.

I guess there is more I'm forgetting...
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Post Post #739 (isolation #27) » Thu May 17, 2012 8:57 am

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In post 701, Hoopla wrote:That's why the mafia will be divided into two or three teams. I suspect two teams of 5-6. It doesn't make sense to have one giant scumteam that can bully through mislynches.

Agree. I was thinking of multiple scum factions also. I think it would be a huge overpower if there were like 10 people on the same team, no matter how much the player list is. They can pretty much control the whole game if they actually work well enough, and it is a lot harder for town to actually try making connections and getting reads even if a scum is lynched, since the huge scum team can pretty much just throw out too many different plays/strategies out there.

In post 705, Hoopla wrote:Anyone who cannot see that having a coalition in this game is stupid and makes no sense is automatically disqualified from being in charge of one.

Agree with this. That's 2/2 for Hoopla ;)

Anyone who cannot see how turning this into a kingmaker game is stupid and defeats any chance of town to actually try and win, and is only counterproductive.

In post 708, Hoopla wrote:I'm starting a rival temporary coalition dedicated to the destruction of all other coalitions. Upon achievement of goal, we will promptly disband.

Accepting signups (1/10):

Hoopla

Sign me up please.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #28) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:05 am

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You know what would be really fun? If we just hammer with no claim :P
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Post Post #752 (isolation #29) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:05 am

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I mean, he already came on, and saw he's in danger, and didn't claim, so :roll:
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Post Post #755 (isolation #30) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:11 am

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Oh, cool. BBmolla,Rhinox and theamatuer are double voters, and Iceguy is still alive to be voting petapan :P
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Post Post #760 (isolation #31) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:28 am

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Meh. Hammertime? I think we can afford to call his bluff even if he is truly vt.
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Post Post #762 (isolation #32) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:28 am

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^ That was unfair -___-
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Post Post #767 (isolation #33) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:42 am

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In post 764, MattP wrote:There are so many scum this round that they can easily influence (and they will) any attempt to lynch scum. I think a block of five pretty obvious town would actually be effective by this point to counteract this. We should also be looking at wagons that were quickly dissuaded.

This is why I agree with Hoopla that it would make more sense for there to be multiple scum teams and/or have an SK or something as opposed to just one huge team of evilness.
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Post Post #771 (isolation #34) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:46 am

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Techno, thoughts on Milk please. And why you decided to first say that moneybags is scummy, then say that you think Milk is more scummy, but still end up voting money.
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Post Post #780 (isolation #35) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:55 am

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In post 644, TeChNoWC wrote: Just looked into moneybags, nice scumread. He does nothing but push on wagons, and posts nothing else; no scumhunting, nothing. Just lynch hungry, and at worse, lynch hungry for a handful of people that he has given no indication for as to why they should be lynched.

Unvote
Vote: Moneybags


In post 653, TeChNoWC wrote:Inclined to think Milk might be a better lynch. Moneybags might not be giving reasons and seems to just be picking on randoms that give an appearance of scumminess, and seems like a pretty big non-contributor (plus yeah, buddying with BB is a concern), but Milk is behaving the same way. Gonna check the guys milk is after, but I swear it seems like a bussing tactic. He seems uber convinced Money is scum, and I could think of nothing better for a scum to do at this stage than lynch one of his buddies so he gets chucked in the town pool and forgotten.


Had a change of heart here, eh, but you still managed to keep your vote on money? *

*Also, note, since you thought it might be a bussing tactic, inclined to hear your thoughts about that.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #36) » Thu May 17, 2012 10:59 am

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I'm still interested in lynching UberNinja. Also, my gut has been telling me SpyreX is town when I see him post, but I haven't really looked much into it.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #37) » Thu May 17, 2012 12:09 pm

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Just checked activity. We only have 45 posters including the mod out of a total 51.

Anyways, I think I'll hop back on the UberNinja wagon. The T-bone wagon looks like it's going to go nowhere.

VOTE: UberNinja
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Post Post #826 (isolation #38) » Thu May 17, 2012 2:59 pm

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Because I'm bored, here are the people who haven't posted at least once yet:

Zajnet
staeg
lupo
Zoraster
Gregory
(We can cross him out, since he left as part of the mime)

If any of you guys above are actually following this, please check in. I get awfully lonely without company (yes, even though I have all the others talking :P I should say I would get less lonely).


In post 820, Trevor wrote:Why are people really doing read lists with 40 people in the game? I find it hard to believe you can "most definately town" read 7 people, especially people like redFF or Uber.

(Assuming you're referring to Muffin's post up there)

It seems pretty reasonable. I'm assuming that it's not really set in stone or anything, but just really defining different boundaries. Why is that unhelpful? With 40 people, isn't it somewhat helpful to at least try to group people into different regions? This is as bad as UN's "LOL! No one needs any justification for anything they do on Day 1" thing she threw out earlier.

I hate the fact that people are just basically shutting down any kind of helpful idea because "there are so many players". Did people signup to play random.org? If yes, by all means, continue. But please, make it clear that we won't be expecting anything serious from you in this game.
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Post Post #912 (isolation #39) » Fri May 18, 2012 8:45 am

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Still behind the UN lynch. Agree with BB in the it looks like he's tollolloling to try to slip and town. Also, when he is pressured, he is put into the "sigh, now I have to do
work
" which also seems like trying to be slipping as town. There is some recent content, but it's kinda too little too late.

Actually, that might not be all true ^ I'm contemplating whether to stick behind the wagon or not. But I'm leaning towards that. I'll iso in a bit to see if I can make up my mind better, but for now, my vote will stick, because some good stuff seems to be coming out of the pressuring.

As for the people who are declaring him as town, explain please. Like CFJ, I am only mostly contemplating whether to get off the wagon or not because some people I trust are calling him town.
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Post Post #929 (isolation #40) » Fri May 18, 2012 11:05 am

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All right, since some people may not be able to catch up with so much stuff going on, I'll attempt to summarize because I'm bored and have some free time :P I'll try to be unbiased as I can.

TL;DR


First, people policy lynched ChessKid. Here was the lynch wagon:
----- Chesskid (10): Captain Corporal,
Agar
,
Johhog
, theamatuer, Hoopla,
Izakthegoomba
,
Iceguy
, Fritzle00BF40]the mini-librarian[/color], Milk
Rhinox suggested we cut the people down to 5 groups, and then lynch one person from each group.
ChessKid flips Mime. Mime win when all of the mimes are lynched. They are like a Jester group.
The Mini-Librarian is lynched. He flips VT. Lynch wagon:
---------- The mini-libarian (10): syndromeofadown, Rhinox, Amrun, hoopla, T-bone, Fritzler, Imaginality, Uberninja, Luffy, Elmo teh Azn
People jumped on Red. He got to L-1. Matt stopped the lynch. "REDFF IS TOWN BECAUSE THE LAST PLAYER TO ROLECLAIM VT WAS LYNCHED. REDFF IF SCUM WOULD NOT MAKE THAT CHOICE WHEN IT JUST CONDEMNED SOMEONE. HE HAS NO REASON TO ROLECLAIM VT FROM A TOWN PERSPECTIVE. GET THE FUCK OFF OF HIM."
People started jumping on BB for trolling, spamming, and bad vote justifications.
T-Bone comes in. Starts making (random?) blocks of people. See posts 443, 477, and 541.
People jump on Izak. He is lynched.
Kairyuu claims that Izak is not dead. Some time later the mod confirms this, and says that Izak was not lynched, but instead, Ice
died
. Ice flipped Mime. Since all of the Mimes can't win anymore (because Ice wasn't lynched), they rest leave (Gregory, Agar, Johhog and Izakthegoomba).
Imaginality starts a moneybags wagon in post 641. Techno jumps on, and says that he thinks Milk and money are both suspicious, and might be bussing.
Fritzler wants to make a coalition with the most town players to kinda control town. Hoolpa, and several other people opposed this.
Some people, and I think by now most people believe, that there are mutiple scum teams. As in two 5-6 player teams, and maybe 1-3 SK type roles.
Moneybags is lynched. Flips VT. Here is the wagon:
-------- moneybags (10): imaginality, TechnoWC, callforjudgement, T-bone, Rhinox, redff, Ellibereth, BBmolla, Fritzler, Muffin Wednesday
Kairyuu claims to be an angel in post 807. You should probably read that post yourself, since it kind of has too many factors to summarize. But the jist of it is that it's a role where he can stop a lynch by naming another person to kill. Also, there are more the one angel. He may communicate with them at all time.
This is a very strong indication that scum have day talk.

A UberNinja wagon has been sprining up and then cooling down. Right now, he is the leading lynch wagon. He is mostly accused of trolling and not scumhunting/not showing an interest. Recentley, he started to post some content. Some people (okay, me :P) think that it's too little to late, and it's only because of the pressure.

And some other things happened. I probably missed some things :P Also, I tried to be as unbiased as I could*

*Note I failed with the UN thing at the end :P

Remember, while I tried to capture most things, I can't catch a lot of details, otherwise it woldn't be a tl;dr. So if you are interested in a specific part, look into it.
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Post Post #935 (isolation #41) » Fri May 18, 2012 12:02 pm

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In post 881, Captain Corporal wrote:Still reading :X
VOTE: T-Bone

Umm, do you always vote without completely reading the thread, or is this vote for funsies, or what? Because, ummm, this vote is shit. I don't have to tell you, do I? Well, I will anyways:

(1) You say that you are still reading
(2) You don't justify it. Like, not even pretend to justify.
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Post Post #940 (isolation #42) » Fri May 18, 2012 1:38 pm

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Okay, from the 4 lynches that took place, I think the moneybags lynch bothers me the most. For all it was worth, I think it went too fast, and gained much more steam that would be expected. It practically sprung up from the ground and then just a while later had people jumping all over it. However, even though it took so much steam, it was very disorganized, clumsy, and awkward. It just feels so off.

Looking around, there are many wagons that took some steam, and had around the same situation as the moneybags lynch, but have taken no where near as much steam as the moneybags one. Ex, T-bone, BBmolla, UberNinja, and Milk. From the top of my head, I can think of two reasons:

(1) Either that people were kinda lost and/or hoping on reaching on a compromise, and really didn’t mind a moneybags lynch, so some people might have just sheeped into thinking that it was a good lynch.
(2) Or that it had scum driving it. Meaning that they either (a) decided to pile up on the wagon, or even just steam it off, so that they can get another mislynch in, or (b) that they pushed the wagon to belittle the other wagons and cool off the steam from those other competing ones. Which would indicate that at least one of the other wagons is scum.

I think that scenario 1 is unlikely, or at least, less likely than scenario 2. I just do’t think the wagon could’ve built up that fast, unless people were really lost and/or just sheeped one another.

Okay, looking at scenario 2-a:

moneybags (10): imaginality, TechnoWC, callforjudgement, T-bone, Rhinox, redff, Ellibereth, BBmolla, Fritzler, Muffin Wednesday


Looking back, I think Techo’s 644 (and also what he says after), T-bone’s 669, BBmolla’s 717, and Fritzler’s 745 votes look the worse.

Techno: Basically sheeps imaginality’s vote, says that he looks back at money, and that he looks scummy, says that he thinks Milk is also scummy, and that they might just be trying to buss each other, says that he thinks Milk might be the better lynch of the two, but still ends up keeping his vote on money. Could it be because money was gaining more heat than Techno actually thought, and decided to keep the vote there to push the lynch more?

T-bone: This is just awkward, and poorly justified. Saying that “Moneybags is as good of a vote as any” is not a good justification.

BBmolla: He just jumps on, without any justification. I noticed this habit of basically just jumping on any wagon, as long as it’s competing with his wagon. Same thing could be applied to T-bone really, but to a somewhat more hazy extent.

Fritzler: He just jumped on. He was fishing for a quick lynch in the beginning, when the wagon just started up, but didn’t vote. Then when he came back, he put money at L-1.

Rhinox’s 682 feels townish, as does imaginality’s. Yes, imaginality’s could be scum pushing a mislynch, but I don’t think he could’ve possibly thought it would take off like it did, therefore it leans more of a townish. It also looks like genuine scumhunting.

Red’s 695 vote is awkward. But then again, it’s Red :P Ellibereth’s vote is also weird. But then again, I don’t think he used any words besides ‘vote’ and the name of a person, as someone pointed out. Call’s vote is basically null. As does Muffin’s. Don’t think any thing can come up from the votes of the last two.

Scenario 2-b:

Okay, from the four scummies that I have listed above, I think that T-bone was at the most danger as a competing wagon, and BBmolla follows. But T-bone’s personality strikes me more as the type to actually go for a competing wagon to try and take the heat off him. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if BB did that too.

I will try to look into this a little while later; I am taking a break :P
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Post Post #1022 (isolation #43) » Sat May 19, 2012 4:39 am

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Agree with petapan, Ellibereth is town. Well, probably. Placing him there for now.

I'll be pretty mad if the CC wagon turns out to be like the moneybags one. "Oh let's lynch CC", and then everyone sheeps into the wagon. Though I am contemplating whether to actually join it or now, because it seems a bit better than the moneybags one. As I said before, anyone who votes in the same post as they say "I'm still catching up" is either dull, psycho, or scum. But I'll keep an eye on there for now.

In other news, can we please get an UberNinja or T-bone lynch in? I actually prefer T-bone now to UberNinja, mainly because what I said before concerning the moneybags lynch. So without further ado:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: T-bone

I'll be pretty happy to take arms against UN again, but I really feel it dying down, both on the thread and inside myself. But if someone wants to spark it up again, I definitely won't mind.
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #44) » Sat May 19, 2012 4:54 am

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Can anyone please see how opportunistic T-bone's votes have been all game, and how when you really get down to them, they are all crap and just sheeping or opportunistic?

In post 130, T-Bone wrote:
Vote: Mini Librarian


Posts #38 and #39 say it all for me.

In post 443, T-Bone wrote:Okay. Needs to die by lynch...
UberNinja
Izak
Petapan

Vote: UberNinja


Needs to die by other means
IceGuy

Town voting block
Me
Spyrex
Rhinox
Amrun
Chevre
errr...I need to go back and check all that. I should make notes.

In post 482, T-Bone wrote:
Thank you Call, Izak needs to go.
unvote, Vote: Izak


UberNinja or Petapan next please.

In post 669, T-Bone wrote:Here's the players with one post in the game, omitting Amrun because her one post has more content then everyone in the One-Line gallery, and I read her as town. I wish she'd post more...

Captain Corporal, Robotnick2, funkybike1, Ellibereth, sykedoc - all have 1 post.

If that's what you wanted there you go. CC just came in to vote Chesskid. Funkybike just confirmed his role. Elli just said "WTF". Robotnick just quoted Izak about hammering lynches. Sykedoc just confirmed.

Dramonic has two posts, one for a policy vote, one to ask how mimes lose.

From there it's about picking and choosing which players tried to add content, and which players continue to spam without content. So someone like Imaginality has 3 posts, but I think they are pretty good, as opposed to Sleepykrew's 3, which offer nothing, Moneybags at 8, which are crap, or Matt at 66 which are 98% crap.

Moneybags is as good of a vote as any.
Unvote, Vote: Moneybags


While that wagon is building slowly, we have one more lynch today. Perhaps we use this last lynch to take out someone who is scummy and posting a lot as opposed to another lurker. Who knows, maybe the night phase will allow some of those low posters to catch up and give some actual content Day 2.

In post 784, T-Bone wrote:I can get behind a Uberninja lynch Hoopla. His last couple of posts were just him claiming he's not going to do anything but troll. We don't need that, trolling is anti-town. I wanted to try and push Matt or Petapan here, but we can't have admitted trolls wandering around unfortunately.

Vote: Uberninja
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #45) » Sat May 19, 2012 8:11 am

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In post 1026, TeChNoWC wrote:So I'm guessing by your analysis, you would consider Muffin's vote on Moneybags pretty scummy, seeing as he did JUST THAT AND HAMMERED.

No. You guess wrong. Did you even read my analysis here, post 940 (I know it's rather wally, but still)? The most suspicious people on the moneybags wagon are you, T-bone, BB, and Frtiz. Red's, Ellibereth's, Call's, and Muffin's votes are pretty null. And Rhinox's and imaginality's are townish.

Why are you suspecting Muffin for her hammer? If she wasn't going to hammer, someone else would've. He was going to die regardless. Fritz said the only thing that we should wait for was a claim. Moneybags did that. Why is it wrong for Muffin to do that? If she didn't, what is more probable: That someone else would've hammered, or that magically all the other 9 people unvote and go on another wagon?
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #46) » Sat May 19, 2012 9:31 am

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In post 1030, redFF wrote:Look at some of the smaller wagons e.g Milk/uberninja. If you're town you should jump on a slower forming wagon because all the fast forming wagons will inevitably be scum led.

Yes, or the T-bone/spyrex ones.

But really, look at the T-bone wagon. All of the votes are leftover votes and/or votes with no justification. Infact, if T-bone flips scum, Trollie is almost confimed scum. Theamatuer would look very bad also, for vote-sitting. He is justifying the vote now with something different than the first time when he voted him a while ago, so his vote is now looking like a lazy attempt at distancing. Right now, I honestly think that a T-bone lynch would help us out the most, and he is suspicious as hell.
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Post Post #1045 (isolation #47) » Sat May 19, 2012 11:24 am

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In post 1041, Staeg wrote:Oh, and, I'd like to kill T-bone, but that Luffy person is scummy. As is techno. I'll maybe read his iso after a bit.
So are you planning on sheeping this whole game, or just at this particular moment? "Oh, I would love lynching player X, but player Y, who is also scummy, suspects him too, so no". The fuck? Why does your suspicion on me affect how you feel on T-bone, even though you say you want to lynch him? People, please make opinions for your own self and/or sheep more subtly.
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Post Post #1067 (isolation #48) » Sat May 19, 2012 3:43 pm

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In post 1046, Staeg wrote:Okay, so you have person A being. I find person A scummy. However, person A's primary pusher is just as scummy if not even scummier than A. Anything pushed by things scummier than the wagon itself has a "you read person A wrong, stay away" sign over it.

Well, did you read the sign "you read the person pushing on person A wrong, don't be fooled" to the left of that other sign?
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Post Post #1069 (isolation #49) » Sat May 19, 2012 3:47 pm

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In post 1050, Chronopie wrote:VOTE: Elmo

Spoiler: Why
In post 215, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: Milk
BAAAAA

In post 278, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: Mini Lib

Milk dies next

In post 392, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: izak

In post 871, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: Uberninja

In post 1000, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
In post 985, petapan wrote:elmo is still blatantly scum

Na broski its how I play
VOTE: CC

In post 1039, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: SpyreX


Agree with petapan (if I'm reading his post correctley), I promise that I will jump on that wagon at some point, but I really don't see the energy for it atm.
And that's 2/3rds of his Iso. The rest is fluff.
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Post Post #1070 (isolation #50) » Sat May 19, 2012 3:49 pm

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Well, that post went pretty horrible :oops: Let's try this again:

In post 1050, Chronopie wrote:VOTE: Elmo

Spoiler: Why
In post 215, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: Milk
BAAAAA

In post 278, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: Mini Lib

Milk dies next

In post 392, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: izak

In post 871, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: Uberninja

In post 1000, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:
In post 985, petapan wrote:elmo is still blatantly scum

Na broski its how I play
VOTE: CC

In post 1039, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:VOTE: SpyreX

And that's 2/3rds of his Iso. The rest is fluff.


Agree with petapan (if I'm reading his post correctley), I promise that I will jump on that wagon at some point, but I really don't see the energy for it atm.
And that's 2/3rds of his Iso. The rest is fluff.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #51) » Sun May 20, 2012 2:52 am

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In post 1071, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Alright fuckers. It's like your afraid of voting me. Come on and vote me out of here. This I don't have energy bullshit is weak. If you want me voted out let's go right now. Let's go 1v1 then Chrono. And the rest of you monkeys who want me gone because I've done nothing but sheep. Vote me in your next post or shut the fuck up about my iso.
VOTE: Chrono

Well, I would love to vote you, but you see, I'm
really
trying to get a T-bone lynch in :igmeou:

PS: You should totally stop talking because it's really not helping your case.

For all the people that are saying the T-bone wagon is shit and/or is random/not based on anything, I took the liberty of summarizing why T-bone has much more of a case and would be much more helpful that all the other stupid wagons floating by:

Spoiler:
TROLOLOL. Why would I repeat something I've been saying and trying to drill for the past while?

But to not be a jerk, I'll redirect you here ---> This, this, and this.
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Post Post #1104 (isolation #52) » Sun May 20, 2012 3:44 am

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In post 1103, manho wrote:wait, kondi is not even in the player list.

Yea, his vote isn't being counted by the mod.

Also, people should be mass unvoting CC right about now and jumping on another wagon, because the Captain wagon is pretty much ridiculous. It would've been fine to lynch CC with one of our other 4 lynches, but using up the last one on him is stupid.
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #53) » Sun May 20, 2012 4:30 am

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In post 1105, Staeg wrote:I'll respond to techno later today, but luffy, how is using one of the first 4 lynches on CC better? I'd say that it's worse, if anything.

Meh. At least it could be justified as policy lynching/lynching lurkers, so then there would still be lynches open to scumhunt. But pushing a lynch on him when we only have 1 lynch left is stupid, since it's not so much scumhunting as it is policy.
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Post Post #1138 (isolation #54) » Sun May 20, 2012 11:29 am

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If we don't get a T-bone lynch in I will be pretty mad :igmeou: Specially considering that some people out of no where are declaring him town, and the wagon seems to always be getting derailed, which just proves my point more that he is scum and his wagon is being derailed by scum buddies. Not all of them, but a considerable amount to try and let the lynch not go through.

In post 1130, SpyreX wrote:If it comes down to it I'd rather force the committal on my wagon than see T-Bone lynched this lynch.

WTF is this? Please explain why (a) T-bone is town and (b) why in hell would you want yourself to be lynched over someone who you are not sure of their alignment*

*Unless you guys are some type of mason group. Otherwise, your argument is shit.

In post 1131, Muffin Wednesday wrote:Fair enough. VOTE: SpyreX

WTF is this. Please restraint from being so jumpy and/or shut up so you don't look so scummy*

*Unless you are paving the path to confess soon, in which case, by all means, don't let me stop you.
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #55) » Sun May 20, 2012 11:54 am

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In post 1140, Muffin Wednesday wrote:Think about it this way; is there any situation where SpyreX is town and T-Bone is scum?


Why, I can think of so many:

1) Spy and T-bone are Neighbors, and T-bone has "convinced" Spy that he is town.
2) Spy has confused a Neighborhood and a Mason group, and thinks that in the former, all people are guaranteed to be town.
3) T-bone hacked Spy's account.
4) Spy is a townie who genuinely believes that T-bone is town, when he is truly not.
5) Spy is just doing this so he can get an alternative lynch in other than T-bone.
6) Spy was first town, then he got day-culted, and is now under T-bone's control.
7) Spy is trolling us.

Yea, I think I'll stop trying now :P But some of those make sense! :P
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Post Post #1148 (isolation #56) » Sun May 20, 2012 12:00 pm

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In post 1143, MattP wrote:7 out of 7 of those possibilities are stupid, but I won't tell you which 7.

:S But I want to know which 7 are the stupid ones! BOO! :(
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Post Post #1151 (isolation #57) » Sun May 20, 2012 12:09 pm

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In post 1149, syndromeofadown wrote:He's already said he's fine being the final lynch of the day like a long time ago. He's also said T-bone is a town read which implies he wouldn't want to lynch him. Putting 2 and 2 together means he's fine being lynched before T-bone. This isn't a groundbreaking discovery.


Umm, no. Putting:

"I don't mind being the lynch with so many players as long as it will benefit town" with
"I think T-bone is town"

=/=

"LOL! Look! I am not going to be the lynch! Oh but wait! One of my town reads is about to get lynched. I must not let that happen! I'll sacrifice my own self, who I am 100% sure is town (assuming Spy is town) instead of admitting that my read on the person I declared town may be wrong! Why, this game is sooo much fun! I must be the king of mafia or something! Awaiting my award of valiant sacrifice guys..."

If you try to argue this any further, I will vote you, and will do everything in my power to make sure you are lynched.
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Post Post #1155 (isolation #58) » Sun May 20, 2012 12:18 pm

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In post 1152, MattP wrote:"If you try to argue this any further, I will vote you, and will do everything in my power to make sure you are lynched."

^Scum trying to shut another player up with threats. I see no town motivation in this threat.

For that to be true, then you must think that the argument he is making is a valid one :roll:

Okay, you two can keep on arguing why it would be very wise for Spy to want to get lynched before T-bone, even if they are not part of a mason group. I will not waste my time trying to explain why that is borderlining on horribleness.

PS: The town motivation is called: "Trying to shut down distractions"

PPS: Even if I was scum, why would I make a threat and shut down
that
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #59) » Sun May 20, 2012 3:45 pm

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In post 1158, Trevor wrote:T-bone isn't scum. Those lists aren't scum-motivated and his wagon is pretty shitty.

Okay, that's not why he is being lynched. I really don't care about the lists. The fact that he seems to be happy to go for any ride is annyoing as hell. How about you ISO him, and tell me one unique thing that you come up with that he has done. All he has basically done is either post random.org generated lists or jump on flying wagons and shamelessly sheep. And his moneybags vote is horrible. It is just awkward, and poorly justified. Saying that “Moneybags is as good of a vote as any” is hell not a good justification. That fact that he was in danger of being lynched and his wagon was pretty big would also give him a reason to jump on a competing wagon to take the heat off himself.

Also, even looking at it from an outside POV, a T-bone lynch would still be very helpful in analyzing a lot of people much better. His flip would do a lot more than the other competing wagons.

And as I said, the fact that his wagon keeps getting derailed is just more evidence that points towards his scumminess. Did you see how easy the moneybags (or even TML) lynch went through? Do you see how fucking hard it is to get this T-bone lynch in? Just look at the differences.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #60) » Mon May 21, 2012 12:13 am

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Oh for fucks sake T-bone :roll: Nice OMGUS analysis there. No really, you deserve some kind of medal for doing it so unsubtly.

"Here, let me take all the people on my wagon... AND CALL THEM SCUM! LOL, super awesome scum-hunting skills!"
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Post Post #1274 (isolation #61) » Tue May 22, 2012 10:14 am

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VOTE: T-bone

Also, this:
In post 1138, Luffy wrote:If we don't get a T-bone lynch in I will be pretty mad :igmeou:


Also:
In post 1248, SpyreX wrote:I really dont like this new T-Bone. At all. The only saving grace is that level of caustic isn't scum during the "keep heads low" phase.

I especially don't like this:

Gonna start ISOing some other players tonight. Let's get a Luffy lynch done and leave CC for a town aligned night kill.


No. Never this. Not in this setup. Not in a billion years.

Hi. You should probably be confessing you're scum with T-bone sometime soon. Like, very soon. Kthx.
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Post Post #1278 (isolation #62) » Tue May 22, 2012 10:17 am

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In post 1267, Hoopla wrote:What...

Only one death? Strange.

One scum team might have withheld so it will look like that we don't have multiscum, or the different scum groups cannot kill on the same nights (ex, one is on even days, the other on odd days). I am not ready to believe that we have just one big huge scum group yet.
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #63) » Tue May 22, 2012 10:18 am

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In post 1275, MattP wrote:Lynch targets for the day:
Luffy

Good plan?

No :P

But really, I'm not getting lynched. No really, it won't happen. Try it. You'll fail :P
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Post Post #1284 (isolation #64) » Tue May 22, 2012 10:22 am

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o.O Only alt left :shifty: (Damn you kondi, betraying me! I thought we were going to start an alt
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Also, if anyone is bored, you can entertain me with who you think I am :wink:
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Post Post #1292 (isolation #65) » Tue May 22, 2012 10:48 am

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In post 1287, BBmolla wrote:T-Bone is still town folks -.-

Oh, good. So you're confirming we don't have a cult that can change someone's alignment during night? /sarcasm

^ Sorry, had to do it. But the "still" was too tempting :P
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Post Post #1293 (isolation #66) » Tue May 22, 2012 10:49 am

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In post 1289, Nobody Special wrote:I just want to point out that, while the playstyle looks mighty familiar, this impostor is NOT ME.

:shifty: Ah, yes, "not you":P
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Post Post #1299 (isolation #67) » Tue May 22, 2012 11:29 am

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Well, that's what we call a fail ^

*sigh* You don't understand how sad and angry that happened :( I feel your pain kondi.
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #68) » Tue May 22, 2012 11:49 am

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In post 1301, YYR wrote:I feel like testing this.

Oh, goodie. How about you help lynch T-bone, and then you can have all the fun you want after?

Also, just fyi, Hoopla and kondi/Muffin are my strongest town reads. Unless they confess scum, I won't be voting them anytime in the near future.
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #69) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:14 pm

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In post 1322, redFF wrote:Hey guys the wagon that takes one page to get to 6 votes is probably not on scum.

Hahaha. This post made me laugh so hard. This lynch has only been trying to happen since like the middle of Day1. No biggie
at all
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Pedit: Did I miss something? o.O
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #70) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:17 pm

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Wait, who was the Lyncher(s)? I'm lost o.O.
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Post Post #1340 (isolation #71) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:23 pm

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In post 1339, Staeg wrote:
In post 1338, Luffy wrote:Wait, who was the Lyncher(s)? I'm lost o.O.

Have you been on site for longer than 8 months? On your main acc, that is.
No, I just joined recently, like early april.
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #72) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:39 pm

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In post 1343, theamatuer wrote:alternative: scumteam too slow to send kill
thoughts?

Agree with kondi. Not a whole scumteam (unless they have shit luck or something). Maybe a SK or something.
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Post Post #1365 (isolation #73) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:43 pm

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Maybe a little more context in the game info would've helped. So, mimes, lynchers, what else, o.O? Is there even a scum team? :P
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Post Post #1372 (isolation #74) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:47 pm

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PS: I still think T-bone was scummy. Sorry T-bone :P :mrgreen: *hug*
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Post Post #1376 (isolation #75) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:50 pm

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In post 1373, BBmolla wrote:I don't see why so many people are surprised, I mean there were mimes in this game, and look at it this way, if T-Bone had gotten night killed we would have lost. That's why it made no sense that were so few kills.
Yea, but as long as even a couple of people suspected T-bone, he would’ve never been the nightkill, especially when there is 49 other people to pick the nk from. And T-bone suspected wouldn’t have been hard with 6 lynchers.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #76) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:56 pm

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In post 1383, kondi2424 wrote:Oh god this is turning out bad.

I was trolling. Don't claim.

FUCK YEA. I knew it. You were role fishing too much. "Oh, so who was really scum?" "What other third parties were out there".
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Post Post #1395 (isolation #77) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:57 pm

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I almost outed myself as scum too.
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Post Post #1400 (isolation #78) » Tue May 22, 2012 2:58 pm

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In post 1396, Trevor wrote:FUCK YEA HE DIDNT CATCH ME THOUGH - Luffy

I know, I'm too smart ;)
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Post Post #1405 (isolation #79) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:00 pm

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In post 1402, MattP wrote:
In post 1398, kondi2424 wrote:Look at all the people that believed it. And look at how you're attacking me, but not BB.

I obviously hate BB too

p-edit: I DON'T KNOW STAEG WHATEVER

PS: kondi was talking to red.
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Post Post #1414 (isolation #80) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:03 pm

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Can we please get the T-bone flip? *tries to summon myko*

But it's 4am, damnit
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #81) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:04 pm

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In post 1411, Staeg wrote:
In post 1406, LowMan wrote:Oh, FFS.

Someone deserves rope for that...

And is lucky I'm not a role with a kill ability.

VOTE: Kondi2424

Luffy came out as bad in this gambit, not kondi.

Oh yea, totally bad. I almost claimed scum :roll:
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #82) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:07 pm

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In post 1418, Trevor wrote:Hey, vote Peregrine if you are town and if you want to see a scumflip.

This is almost as bad as me trying to shut down syndrome. Almost. Wait, where is Matt so he can jump all over it for being a scum trying to shut down a townie, having no town motivation whatsoever?
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Post Post #1423 (isolation #83) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:09 pm

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In post 1420, Trevor wrote:Yeah, let's policy lynch more obvious townies, because that works wonders for the town.

Policied Chess ---> Knowing there is Mime ---> Ice mime slipped ---> Ice killed ---> Mime lost.

Pretty wonderful there.
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Post Post #1429 (isolation #84) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:18 pm

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Oh cool. I'll be hiding in a corner from now on. Right down to your left if you need me. Which everyone should prob forget about me. Like, forget I'm playing for the next few game days.
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Post Post #1444 (isolation #85) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:54 pm

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ISOs of random people, from my little hiding corner:

Fritz - null leaning towards scummy
Trollie - scummy
manho- townie
Zdenek- scummy. Too much snipping from the sidelines and fence-sitting.
Milk- scummy. Too much deflection.
funkybike- null leaning towards scummy out of too much nullness
syndrome- swingy/null. Can go both ways really.
Chronopie- leaning towards scum. Seems to have too much fake contribution.
Elmo- swingy
amatuer- leaning towards town
Chevre- null leaning towards town. Has some tl:dr -__-
dramonic- 3 posts, two are random votes, and one is asking about game mechanics. Screams scum. But then again, too few posts to actually judge.
sykedoc- Null leaning towards town.
NS- Null

Most are pretty much the combo of gut and skimming of ISO.
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Post Post #1445 (isolation #86) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:54 pm

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Oh, we're running Amrun? I actually kinda liked him.
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Post Post #1448 (isolation #87) » Tue May 22, 2012 3:57 pm

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In post 1446, BBmolla wrote:Well don't, she's scum.

Well, you learn something new everyday*

*I'm refering to the gender of Amrun. Should prob learn to read the thing that says "gender".
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Post Post #1451 (isolation #88) » Tue May 22, 2012 4:00 pm

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Hey, can someone who is bored do ISO Zdenek, Trollie, and Chronopie, and give thoughts please? I think all 3 can fit the flying under radar scum profile.
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #89) » Wed May 23, 2012 12:41 am

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Wait what, you're
actually
voting Matt? o.O

You're either (a) a scum who is lost or (b) a townie who is lost.
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Post Post #1491 (isolation #90) » Wed May 23, 2012 12:46 am

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In post 1486, TeChNoWC wrote:Amrun, theamateur, uberninja, kondi2424, mattp, luffy, Thetrollie, lowman, spyrex, Staeg

T-Bone's lynch patrol.

This is pretty much stupid, as you are analyzing the wrong wagon. Yes, theoretically, this is the wagon. But I really think you should instead be analyzing the people who were
pushing
on him late Day 1. Yes, a lot of overlaps, but the lycnh happened so fast, so it was pretty much who ever who got online voted him. Some others were pushing yesterday also that didn't get a chance to vote.*

*I hope this is true :P I don't have the time to look at Day1 right now (almost about to leave the house), but I think you should look at his wagon yesterday.
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #91) » Wed May 23, 2012 12:49 am

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In post 1490, TeChNoWC wrote:And I guess I better not be hypocritical, so I'll ISO you right now and post my thesis on why you iz so scummy.


Wait what? o.O If you already have determined me as scum, why the fuck would you do an ISO if you are already going in with a confirmation bias? You'll just ending up pulling random posts and calling everything I do as scum, because you entered with the mindset that I am scum. ISO are supposed to be done to determine unbiasedly your opinion of someone.
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Post Post #1493 (isolation #92) » Wed May 23, 2012 12:49 am

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In post 1490, TeChNoWC wrote:And I guess I better not be hypocritical, so I'll ISO you right now and post my thesis on why you iz so scummy.


Wait what? o.O If you already have determined me as scum, why the fuck would you do an ISO if you are already going in with a confirmation bias? You'll just ending up pulling random posts and calling everything I do as scum, because you entered with the mindset that I am scum. ISO are supposed to be done to determine unbiasedly your opinion of someone.
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Post Post #1550 (isolation #93) » Wed May 23, 2012 9:14 am

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OH FFS Techno :roll:

I have taken the time to combine all your shitty reasons for why I am scum, for funsies:

1. I am scum because I "bussed" UN, who you apparently know is scum.
2. My gut told me SpyreX is town, who apparently, is also confirmed scum.
3. I called the CC wagon shitty.
4. I "jumped" on the T-bone wagon. Which, evidently, was somewhat of a horrible wagon to you. I am sorry to break your bubble, but apparently, 9 other people thought that was a reasonable wagon. Okay, you can argue that scum was pushing it (though I agree with Amrun that it's prob mostly town), but there are still townies who wanted to lynch him. I still stand by my push. He was playing horribly, and acting scummy as hell.
5. Apparenlty, you say
"I'll give it to Luffy that he does SEEM like he is trying, posts often and has some useful things to say, but his vote on T-Bone was fluff and had no basis to it, other than pushing a wagon and he openly admitted it. That, coupled with the fact that UN was his biggest scumread for most of D1, and he never pushed it. I'm not familiar with his usual playstyle and maybe he is often conservative, but it just screams bussing scum to me."
, which TROLOLOL, makes the most perfect sense in the world :roll: Sorry, but if you want to play with people who have the same exact mindset as you, you should try cloning. I hear it works wonders. Otherwise, deal with the fact that different people have different opinions.
6. Apparently, I have said that I pushed on T-bone for "leading town". Pulling up quotes would really be helpful. Because you're definitley either twisting my words, or making shit up.
7.
"Nevertheless, kept telling everyone he had a strong case on T-Bone"
Can you please point out a stronger case at the time? Yes, the case
was
actually pretty strong, considering that no body else really had a case on anyone else.
8.
"Voted for T-Bone BEFORE he even came up with these reads or noticed them".
Yea. That was for using random.org to generate lists and block people.
9.
"Seemed to be trying to rolefish off Kairyuu".
Really? I asked one damn question. Also, Kairyuu isn't stupid or something. Do you really thing as scum, I would actually be stupid enough to try and "rolefish"?
10. "classic WIFOM after T-Bone flipped, feigning town surprise". I actually did feel a little bad when he flipped town. Is there anything wrong with that? Why are you assuming right away that it has to be scummy rather than genuine?
11.
"Pushed for a T-Bone lynch when UN was supposedly his 'strong scumread', and yet posted little about him nor tried to convince others of his scumminess"
Oh, sorry, I forgot that my opinions had tobe set in stone. Thanks for enlightening me.
12.
"Long walls on his reads on others (not a great tell, but often scum like to hide amongst lots of words and big posts with little telling content)."
Well, evidently, this post should be flashing red lights at you, right? Sorry, not going to change my playstyle because I want to look "less scummy" by "writing less".
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #94) » Wed May 23, 2012 9:33 am

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I actually will jump on the YYR one-man-wagon right now, because looking at the votecount, I agree with it the most. Though I can prob easily be convinced to sheep the PeregrineV or Spyrex wasgons.

VOTE: YYR
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Post Post #1565 (isolation #95) » Wed May 23, 2012 10:35 am

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In post 1564, Trevor wrote:Isn't callforjudgement enough? He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts.
Yea, I mean this risk of lynching him
is
great, considering we'll be losing those helpful votecounts*

*Unless he agrees to continue on doing them even after being lynched :P (Call, you should totally agree to this!)
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Post Post #1576 (isolation #96) » Wed May 23, 2012 11:12 am

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In post 1573, BBmolla wrote:Do you think you have to wholeheartedly and completely disagree with everything your scumread says?
QFT, @Techno.
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Post Post #1589 (isolation #97) » Wed May 23, 2012 1:24 pm

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Putting my 2 cents in, I do agree with UN. Not as much as the reasons he game, but when I read these:

Trevor
In post 1564, Trevor wrote:Isn't callforjudgement enough? He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts.

In post 1567, Trevor wrote:What? We are speculating whether CFJ is using those votecounts as means of gaining town-cred and if they are really necessary. I think he is town, but whatever.


You can't tell me that these 2 posts aren't horrible contradictions. First you say that Call has basically made himself look townish with the vote counts, and then right after you say, you "think he is town, but whatever".

Sooo... what was the point of making the first statment in the first case, if you think he is town? Why are you trying to get suspicion on your townreads? If you would've said that you think he is null because of the vote counts, or that the vote counts can really be WIFOM, you would've looked fine. But here, it looks like "Oh, look. Let me throw some suspicion towards a generally liked townie, and then get myself out of the hole by saying that I think he is town."
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Post Post #1592 (isolation #98) » Wed May 23, 2012 1:34 pm

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In post 1590, Trevor wrote:Did you not read? Tell me where in the first post I called him scum. Luffy: Tell me where I suspected him.


“He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts”

Uhh, I think that is very indicative that you suspect someone. I mean, why are you throwing a fastball in the first place then if you don’t think it’s suspicious? For funsies? Or for the town’s entertainment? Or… maybe, to throw more WIFOM and confusion onto a townish player?
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Post Post #1594 (isolation #99) » Wed May 23, 2012 1:45 pm

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In post 1591, Trevor wrote:
In post 1565, Luffy wrote:
In post 1564, Trevor wrote:Isn't callforjudgement enough? He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts.
Yea, I mean this risk of lynching him
is
great, considering we'll be losing those helpful votecounts*

*Unless he agrees to continue on doing them even after being lynched :P (Call, you should totally agree to this!)

Might I add, you agreed word for word with what I originally said.

Might I add the I did not 360 a second later and start preaching that he is town?

PS: That was also mostly a joke. If Call is acting scummy, I'll vote him. I really don't care how helpful people might be appearing. Yes, the vote counts are a good bonus, but it's not a free pass. Just like someone pointed out some while ago, when I made my tl;dr post, someone commented that (s)he thinks some people are doing helpful things to stay out of the radar. Yes, some people's radar might work that way (as in, giving a free pass to people who are helpful), but I really don't care what you are doing, I'll analyze you regardless.
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Post Post #1597 (isolation #100) » Wed May 23, 2012 1:56 pm

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In post 1595, UberNinja wrote:Luffy who are you an alt of please? I don't remember seeing it.
Oh, I had hoped that some people missed my alt slip :shifty:

Probably not very helpful, but I am an alt of Ser Arthur Dayne. I joined this site recently, but I've played a lot of times on another website (Westeros). The only people I really knew before beginning on the player list was BB, since I know him from Westeros, so I'm more familiar with his playing style.

I am a lot more comfortable playing as alts in general, since (1) I really hate using outside meta and (2) I feel like I get less personal, since I would be attacking the alt, not the actual person, etc.. But this might only be because on the other site I play on, almost all games are all alted, so I'm more used to it. But, I'll adapt :P
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Post Post #1599 (isolation #101) » Wed May 23, 2012 2:23 pm

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In post 1598, UberNinja wrote:Well, it's not like I could meta you anyway, because I've never heard of you or Westeros.
I just care if you're somebody I have played with before.

That's why I said it wouldn't really be helpful :P

I wish so bad I had dayvig powers. Sometimes, I just get the urge to shoot some people right on the spot *sigh*. Ellibereth, what happened to shooting Trevor? Or anyone else for that matter?
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Post Post #1602 (isolation #102) » Wed May 23, 2012 2:46 pm

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In post 1601, Trevor wrote:Funnily enough, I have no idea why that shot failed. Luffy, do you think I am scum? If so, why aren't you voting me?

pedit: Someone please quote 1600 when I die. Uberninja is full of shit.

*sigh* I don't particularly think you're scum. But I think you have a good chance of being one. It’s just some moments I would rather vig someone on the spot than actually have to push a lynch, especially when they do something like a slip. Do I think that what you have done deserves a vig? Yes. It would be really harder to push a lynch, since it’s mostly based on gut, but from my POV (and assuming I was vig), I would vig. Different people see different things from their POV, and that’s the beauty of lynching, especially when you are going to attempt to push a lynch based on gut, or from something that people might see differently.
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Post Post #1606 (isolation #103) » Wed May 23, 2012 4:13 pm

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In post 1604, SpyreX wrote:Those first two sentences aren't even trying.

And why is that more likely to come from scum then? Have they not the ability to pretend to actually look like they are trying? If I must say, I think that's a towntell (yes, I know I'm refering to myself :P). Also, do you not think that it might also be a playstyle/stream of consciousness tell rather than a scumtell? Again, I think I'll quote this:

In post 1573, BBmolla wrote:Do you think you have to wholeheartedly and completely disagree with everything your scumread says?
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Post Post #1613 (isolation #104) » Thu May 24, 2012 12:31 am

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In post 1610, TeChNoWC wrote:Whereabouts did you post this? I may have missed it


Here:
In post 586, Luffy wrote:
In post 577, UberNinja wrote:why the fuck do you want me lynched, but you're voting t-bone, who was also voting for me?

looool


So, why are you suggesting I should be buddying?

Sorry, but
a person who is randomly blocking
and another who is suggesting that we go on the day randomly lynching people
can
both be scummy. Why is it wrong to want both of you on the witch burning list?

In post 634, Luffy wrote:
In post 628, TeChNoWC wrote:
Not sure I like the T-Bone wagon. Is everyone hating on him for taking charge of town? Not something I mind, eagerness is better than sneakiness, and someone who can keep track of this game is a valuable asset.

No, everyone is hating him because of his failed and awkward attempt to take charge of town.
Also, it's not a valuable asset to comfirm town all the way at the beginning of day 1 without explanations, and then throwing some scummy list and saying these are the people that should be lynched
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Post Post #1616 (isolation #105) » Thu May 24, 2012 5:38 am

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Okay, 2/3 of these people should be going today:

YYR
Syprex
Lowman

These people should be dayvigged. Like, anytime:

Trevor
Trollie
PeregrineV

This post by Zdenek actually reads town, so I kinda take back what I said earlier about him.
In post 941, Zdenek wrote:1. Town represents a larger percentage of the total, so it's easy to fool yourself into thinking that you're right about them. Also calling people town can be subtle buddying. I think you should reveal your main account, since it should make reading you easier and perhaps lend some credence to your town-hunting.

2. I already did. Good to know that you aren't reading the thread. Why don't you explain why you read them differently?

3. I don't really care about whether you think your hammer was justified or not.
Town thought process: I need to reread and decide if I should hammer.
Your thought process: Hammer. I need to reread the thread.

I've said what I think about people as I've gone through the thread, I'll compile my reads later.
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Post Post #1617 (isolation #106) » Thu May 24, 2012 5:42 am

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And I actually prefer Syprex and Lowman upon a reread rather than YYR, since he doesn't really have much condeming him.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lowman

Because in a very short span, (s)he managed to go from null to "Hi. I'm scum".
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Post Post #1638 (isolation #107) » Thu May 24, 2012 11:35 am

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:roll:

This is preposterous. Can I please get a decent argument for my suspicion? I can't even grasp why I'm being wagoned. Like, at all. I can't defend against air. You're giving me nothing to work with, and I'm suppose to look townish? The only person who actually gave me something was Techno, and I answered all of his accusations, which turned out pretty horrible, and I think he sensed that literarly >90% of them were trolololsucky.

Whatever. Lynch me. But please do lynch Syprex after. Because I'm done with his bs. "Oh, let me just throw out baseless reads out there. Call T-bone town. Call Luffy scummy. Call UN scummy. Amrun scummy. And the funny thing, is no one is catching on!"

Oh wait. Nvm.
Try
lynching me.

In post 1280, Luffy wrote:
But really, I'm not getting lynched. No really, it won't happen. Try it. You'll fail :P

^

In post 1635, BBmolla wrote:Bleh. Luffy is the one person on that wagon I'm unsure of because I had them as town before. That Lowman vote was awful though.

Please ISO Lowman and tell me how he didn't manage to go from null to scummy in seconds:

He came on, and jumped on the T-bone wagon >>> "T-bone is at L-2 I believe after my vote. Let's see more votes people." Pretty hard pushing there. >>> Jumped on Kondi for the gambit, saying "Someone deserves rope for that", and if he was vig, he would kill him >>> Retracts, saying he overreacted, and jumps on Red, saying "And based on my own past experience with him, I'm fine with a redFF PL even if he's town. In a game this big we can still afford plenty of VT mislynches"

Rope, please.
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #108) » Thu May 24, 2012 12:36 pm

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In post 1647, kondi2424 wrote:Luffy is saying that he won't die from his lynch. No reason not to test that.

I think you misinterpreted what I said. I didn't say I won't die from a lynch. I'm saying I will not garner enough votes to be lynched.
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Post Post #1664 (isolation #109) » Thu May 24, 2012 1:28 pm

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In post 1659, SpyreX wrote:Matt,

Luffy is the kind of lynch that if I cant get it through RIGHT NOW its going to take the moons aligning for it to happen again. Work with me and we can make something beautiful. UN, Amrun, Kondi? Dead.

I'm right about this one we can start running roughshod and forge a masterpiece through fire and flames.

Kondi is on drugs and needs to go. I'd say hes more likely t o be town than luffy but work with me it doesnt matter. Theyre all deaddd

Do you not see that (a) you don't have the momentum to lynch me and (b) you have shitty reasons for pushing my lynch (if you have reasons at all, which I must have missed somewhere).

I'm not getting lynched. Live with it. And if it makes you feel any better, you would've lynched a townie anyways.

Also, don't deceive yourself into thinking that you ever gained the spark to get a lynch on me. You never did, and you never will as long as you keep up with your bad reasoning (not that I blame you; I really don't have a lot to condemn me, so you have to work extra hard to come up with the bad reasoning).

If you still want to push the lynch, then go ahead and rally the troops. I'm going to put you on ignore till you stop the bs. Then maybe you can refocus your attention on actually scumhunting; of course, assuming you are town. Which is becoming more and more less likely.
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Post Post #4393 (isolation #110) » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:29 pm

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In post 4390, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Awesome. Has finally ended. I still remember Zor saying this:

In post 45, zoraster wrote:fine. /in. Seems like a terrible idea. but it's a terrible idea I want to experience.

And it's true.

PS: That Spy lynch at the end was pretty horrible... And that Hoopla lynch :o

Whoops, meant to post that with this. You know, sticking to traditions, etc...
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