The game of the year: town won!

[IceGuy]

~*~*SOME REDFF META*~*~:

C9++ - RedFF is put under pressure as a Goon and fakeclaims 1-shot Vig that hasn't shot yet. Buys himself some time.

Like I said - no chance that redFF fakes VT as scum in a bloodthirsty town. Outside chance of Mime making a claim that shouldn't save him, but I wager he is town.

No, that's not good meta.

[Muffin Wednesday]

Fine, add Johhog into the pool. IceGuy, BBmolla, or Johhog.

[T-Bone]

Okay I went back and found my protown reads.

Town Death Squad

Me
Rhinox
Syndromeofadown
SpyreX
Chevre
Amrun
Chronopie
callforjudgement
Kinda like Hoopla, Nobody Special, imaginality...so we'll add them to the list anyway

That makes 11. I feel fairly good about this town list. I'd be surprised that if for some reason we got down to these people and there is still anti-town left. There is a distinct difference between the people scumhunting in a protown way and just flooding for the sake of flooding so we can get random lynches. I think it was Spy who suggested that

if you can only manage a one line post to GTFO of this thread.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

• izakthegoomba (8)
  : petapan Milk MattP Elmo TeH AzN BBmolla Muffin Wednesday Chronopie SpyreX
  
• redFF (4)
  : YYR TheTrollie UberNinja Fritzler
  
• UberNinja (4)
  : izakthegoomba Chevre Luffy T-Bone
  
• BBmolla (3)
  : Johhog callforjudgement Hoopla
  
• Rhinox (2)
  : dramonic Trevor
  
• dramonic (1)
  : PeregrineV
  
• IceGuy (1)
  : Nobody Special
  
• Milk (1)
  : Moneybags
  
• petapan (1)
  : IceGuy
  
• YYR (1)
  : redFF
  
• Not voting:
  AGar Amrun Captain Corporal Ellibereth funkybike1 Gregory imaginality Kairyuu Lupo manho Mastermind of Sin Rhinox Robotnick2 SleepyKrew Staeg sykedoc syndromeofadown TeChNoWC theamateur Zajnet Zdenek zoraster

With 48 alive it is 10 to lynch.

[MattP]

T-bone, you sore that I abolished my "intuition meta"?

[Muffin Wednesday]

That's a pretty bad list, T-Bone.

Also, it's nine to lynch.

[Hoopla]

No, that's not good meta.

IceGuy really working the Mime angle.

It's good meta. Explain to me how it makes sense for redFF to claim VT as scum in this game. That game I linked shows he is at least switched on enough to understand that if he wants to live longer as scum, he fakes a role that buys him time.

[T-Bone]

I really don't have much to say to you Matt. You're just another player flooding this thread with

nonscumhunting nonsense

. I bold for emphasis in case you don't understand what you're doing...or rather not doing.

Thank you Call, Izak needs to go.

unvote, Vote: Izak

UberNinja or Petapan next please.

Where did I go wrong Muffin?

[IceGuy]

No, that's not good meta.

IceGuy really working the Mime angle.

It's good meta. Explain to me how it makes sense for redFF to claim VT as scum in this game. That game I linked shows he is at least switched on enough to understand that if he wants to live longer as scum, he fakes a role that buys him time.

You've got one example of a scum game. Where are his other scum games, and where are his town games?

[callforjudgement]

On the Vig shooting argument: I remember hearing someone saying something about a Mafia Doctor?

In that case, I think the Vig(s) should either shoot BBmolla OR IceGuy.

Fine, add Johhog into the pool. IceGuy, BBmolla, or Johhog.

It's probably best not to try to form vig pools in situations where you have multiple vigs and expect them all to be town, or acting as town. (If a killing role isn't acting as town, then they aren't a vig.) I've been thinking about directing from pools, and decided that it's only a good idea either as part of a breaking strategy, or when you suspect some of the people you're directing are fakeclaiming scum and want to have a reasonable chance of overlapping targets.

In this case, overlapping vig targets are bad; we want as many town-directed kills overnight as possible, rather than kills on just the obvious targets. This means that although vigs should feel free to aim for obvious targets, they should also feel free to spread their shots around if they have a hunch; we'll have more dead scum on average that way, and also more dead townies who would have wasted mislynches. (If someone's going to be lynched anyway and you vig them, and the lynch that would have been used on them instead hits scum, that's just as good.)

[Kairyuu]

vote: izakthegoomba

If the previous vote was not the hammer, mine was.

[callforjudgement]

That's a pretty bad list, T-Bone.

Also, it's nine to lynch.

"2) Lynches go by majority as normal, but the maximum amount of players needed for a lynch is 10. So, the first day you need only 10 to lynch, from 19 players on this becomes normal as well." It's 10 to lynch (a majority of 48, capped at 10), and will remain that until we get down to 17 players.

[Kairyuu]

For reference: I have no read on izak one way or the other (I don't even know what he's posted). Something interesting is about to happen. Hopefully. Might not have worked. We'll see.

[redFF]

Fair enough. VOTE: izak

I'm just afraid redFF will never die if we don't lynch him now.

Who are you, do you know me, and is the only reason you think a policy lynch on me is a good idea from listening to other people in this game?

[Muffin Wednesday]

But it's WIFOM, Hoopla. If he knew this, he could claim VT in hopes of it being a stupid scum move and coast.

Not sure he'd think of it, but still.

@T-Bone: I disagree with Rhinox, syndrome, Chevre, and NS.

PEdit: TML was lynched at 9.

[T-Bone]

Personally I'd rather to try (try being the key word) direct a vig pool. Otherwise we'll have a case of trigger happy Vigs trying to be heroes and shooting active people who may or may not be scummy, leaving us with lurkers and people who aren't scumhunting.

Muffin, I meant about my list, not the lynch count. I understand that much. I thought you were taking issue with my town reads.

[Muffin Wednesday]

@T-Bone: I was talking about the town reads. I disagree with those four.

[Hoopla]

You've got one example of a scum game. Where are his other scum games, and where are his town games?

I'm not trying to prove the ratio of the times he fakeclaims as scum (and his town games have nothing do with his fakeclaim ratio...)

I'm trying to prove that redFF has the mental capacity to understand that it is optimal as scum to fakeclaim a role when you're about to be lynched. I cannot see him being on the level above that and predicting that people will wifom whether he'd do that as scum. There is no way he can possibly think he could get out of jail with a VT claim and he knows it.

[redFF]

That's a very low opinion of me

[Hoopla]

But it's WIFOM, Hoopla. If he knew this, he could claim VT in hopes of it being a stupid scum move and coast.

He's not on that level. Few people can pull that off purposefully.

[redFF]

But not incorrect.

[petapan]

cool, time to move on from izak

uberninja is pretty blatantly just trollin' it up and people biting on it as acting like scum are dumb and/or scum

don't have an actual read on him

bbmolla workin' hard to undo the good will on him but idk if he's the best person to lynch

don't lynch redff

need a fresh wagon, going to look at random isos

[Hoopla]

That's a very low opinion of me

IceGuy is the one with the low opinion of you. He thinks you aren't smart enough to realise that fakeclaiming a role as scum there is the right play.

[callforjudgement]

But it's WIFOM, Hoopla. If he knew this, he could claim VT in hopes of it being a stupid scum move and coast.

Not sure he'd think of it, but still.

@T-Bone: I disagree with Rhinox, syndrome, Chevre, and NS.

PEdit: TML was lynched at 9.

The thing about scumteams being able to talk to each other (especially if they have daytalk, but possibly even if they don't, if they had time to talk pregame) is that redFF doesn't need to have thought of it himself; one of his buddies might have suggested it. (I know that when I was scum in Mafia with the Kitties, I was pretty freely suggesting claims that would likely keep them alive to my buddies.)

[Muffin Wednesday]

I've done it. But meh. You're not his partner, so I don't really care.