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GhostWriter wrote:We have to "lynch" twice. We'll have plenty of time.
Actually, it only takes one vote on someone else to make that person a kombatant as well since the rules state the two players with the highest amount of votes go against each other. Technically, the player getting the most votes will more than likely get to choose their opponent if all other votes are on him, which is why I think they get to talk during the Kombat phase (it allows the person with the most votes to build a case against his opponent).-
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springlullaby wrote:Alright
1. I think there is a chance Bunnylover and I are both town. I had forgotten this was a large theme.
2. But checking up on Ermac, I don't see why that would be a miller role.
Statement 1 says you think you both are Millers (if you think BL is town, then you think he is Miller).
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The part of your PM that indicated your way of confirmation, ie. what the first two parts of the statement are referring to.
Also, I will not acknowledge selective quoting. Your post has a clear disconnect in delivery that appears as though you are trying assuage the suspicion on you and then immediately leap to a claim. Me pointing out what appears to be a logic fallacy didn't have anything to do with your claim, so I didn't feel it needed to be posted with the quote.-
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Unvote
Vote: Palisades
That should lock Palisades into the fight. I would prefer Springlullaby be the second fighter personally because I found her more scummy from the whole Miller shenanigans, but I'm wondering if there is some further strategy involved in making sure we get rid of the person we want to get rid of when a fight starts. If the majority of people want Palisades gone, then what's the point of sticking a Miller in the Pit with them? Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?-
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Toogeloo wrote: Why not put someone no one wants to get rid of in the Ring and make it a slam dunk "Flawless Victory"?
Five words.
What if Palisade claims cop?[/quote]
Palisade is already going into the ring, we should get a claim from them before we even get to a second participant, because same argument could be made that "What if one claims cop and the other claims Doc?" If Palisade claims any kind of power though, are we just going to believe it and quickly get a Miller in there and lynch the Miller instead?
springlullaby wrote:@Bunnylover: I'd like more flavor on you please. Specifically I'm going to leave out one major element of my role, please fill.
c. My being a miller is considered a XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. (Please fill in the xxxx)
Here you are looking for a specific phrase.
Yet, here...springlullaby wrote:@ BUNNYLOVER
Bunnylover wrote:
@Kise: I'm not sure what that means.
I think it means that my miller is an ability so basically its like this
xxxxxxx(miller passive) - description.
If so, then yes its like that in my pm.
The passive is called Former Evil Slave.
This check out with my PM. My miller status is indeed indicated as a passive ability. Although my role is called Reformed Black Dragon Leader.
The fact that our roles seem to be checking out with each other make me think that we are both town and that mod just decided to have fun.
This make me wonder about the following:
Bunnylover wrote:
Pali, The Fonz, Spring, MOS = leaning scum.
Why do you think I'm leaning scum considering the above?
Also, my role clearly state that scum are called the Black Dragons. Is it the same in your role PM?
You are fine with it not being exact at all.
Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.
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CooLDoG wrote:Toogeloo wrote:
Based simply on my own role, I think EVERYONE has a passive and an alignment. So being a "Former Evil Slave" or "Reformed Black Dragon Leader" are not the same thing. I could look at my PM and just tack on an adjective to my affiliation and change it however I want too.
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May I inquire as to how you know this? Not asking for a claim.
I have a passive that states my affiliation, which I know the entire town cannot also share (because there are not enough members of this affiliation), and that it describes I am aligned with town.-
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See, I think Spring didn't read the thread and just thought she could get a Miller claim out there. Since then she has been trying to figure out how to make it passable. She first retracted it, almost as if she was going to take back the Miller thing like she hadn't read her PM thoroughly. Then she tried to fish the Miller condition out of BL, which ended up failing. I think she was hoping for BL to state what makes Millers scan the way they do, and instead BL came out with "Former Evil Slave," which made Spring have to come up with a way to make them look like they could still be Millers, and she just came up with the "Reformed" thing.-
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kiwieagle wrote:What is this....
I dont even....
He SAID he got a guilty in you. Why are you saying he got an innocent on you?
Why would he think your scum if he got a innocent on you?
He isnt so stupid.
If he got a guilty on Amrun, he would have voted Amrun first thing of the day. He voted Palisades.
In fact, he said he thought Amrun was WLC's partner, which would make Amrun a Black Dragon, not an Earthrealm Invader.
I believe Reck was stating he thought Muffin was probably Scum, and of the opposite faction of Amrun. Metaing a tad, and I'm not sure if this should even be taken into account, but Reck gave 4 Bah's when he died, and Muffin is the 4th name on the list... I could be reaching a bit, but not sure if that is coincidence, or even if he was (or should) be talking in code, so I probably will drop it at that. But kiwi is wrong about Reck stating he had a guilty on Amrun, that much I am sure.-
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:Toogeloo wrote:I think Reck was stating that Muffin was the one trying to paint him as scummy, not Amrun.
PEdit: Reck DID vote Palisades out the gate Day 2, after voting for him Day 1 as well. Wouldn't he have scanned Pali Night 1, just to be sure?
We're not lynching Amrun because of Reck AT ALL. I've been trying to put Amrun up for death since Day 1, until Kise wrecked it, and then Day 2 we had a slam dunk so we couldn't kill Amrun yet. We've got another slam dunk today, but we might as well keep putting Amrun in the ring every day until we get a chance to actually finish the job.
Why are you trying to kill Amrun? He's not a Black Dragon, and the case on him yesterday was that he was trying to protect WLC, who was a Black Dragon.-
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Mastermind of Sin wrote:That was Reck's case. I've been trying to lynch Amrun since Day 1.
Also, how do you know he's not a black dragon?CooLDoG wrote:Mastermind of Sin wrote:Unvote, Vote: GhostWriter
I'm not throwing ABR up there with him.
Also, Amrun is still scum, and it has nothing to do with Reck being a cop.
However tempting it is to go ahead and place my vote on amrun, I can't. Sadly, amrun is town. I copped her last night. Simply because the association tell on her being scum WITH WC. I was sold on her, too bad.
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Darox wrote:Vote: ToogelooNice slip.
Man, we don't even need another power role guilty claim to continue our streak, time to go 3 for 3.
If you think the html thing is some kind of slip, you would be wrong. I had spent the majority of my day at this site:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/
Including Mafia:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefa ... s/60048878
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/575926-mafia
GameFAQs uses those stupid < and > html things, and you have to type them in since they don't have the nifty little [B] button like we have here. Since I have been spending the day getting ready for vacation and playing mafia at the same time, I got a little exhausted and forgot which site uses which tags.
I will just claim now though if this is going to get out of hand, because I am leaving in a few hours and won't have any time to defend myself further than this .-
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ABR was killed by a Shuriken Shower AND a Heart Rip. That sounds like Reiko and Kano by my research, and I think that is one from each side (Earthrealm Invader and Black Dragon). Burned to death sounds like Scorpion, so I imagine that is Vig since I don't think Scorp falls in either category. Head Devoured is either Mileena or Reptile; I think Reptile makes more sense, since isn't Mileena allied with Kitana (thus making her a town member)?
I missed most of the Day yesterday, but I did read through Oversoul's "gambit."
Why in the hell would you try to claim Masons with a claimed Vanilla, Oversoul? Even if you managed to get that worked out perfectly, you can't honestly expect anyone to have bought it, right? With me leaving for Yellowstone for a week just after my claim, I'm pretty sure I would have claimed Mason and may or may not have named my partner, just to ensure I wouldn't have had to worry about it while I was gone, not Vanilla.-
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In post 1002, Oversoul wrote:No... Mileena is definitely the person doing the head devouring. In fact, I would go so far as to say that Mileena was a lyncher to Kitana. In all of your research, I don't understand how you missed that painfully obvious fact.
I only researched Fatalities and was just going off what I remembered from MK II, MKIII, and the original MK movie (Kitana was good there). I thought they were like Sisters or something, but clones makes sense.
In post 1002, Oversoul wrote:Why wouldn't I try to divert the nightkills onto Vanilla Townies? That way we wouldn't have lost anymore power roles, which are rapidly declining.
In every game I've played with Masons, Masons aren't killed until closer to Do or Die. While they are confirmed town, they are also mostly harmless. Scum would more than likely take shots at other people they think are Power instead. In this game we still had claimed power alive in CooLDoG, so I imagine he still presented a more lucrative target over "Masons" simple because he was at least half confirming people to be not scum, and Kano is still out there for sure with the Heart Rip. I still maintain no one would have believed you with my Vanilla claim previously though.
In post 982, zMuffinMan wrote:I actually agree with this. Prior to today, I was working off the assumption that there are two different scum factions (you know, 2 specific millers 2 specific cops, etc), but this game makes a lot more sense if we assume there's only one scum faction in this game (a combination of black dragon invaders).
I'm still kind of operating off the assumption there are two teams. CooLDoG may have hit one Black Dragon already, but he was also half confirming several people as well. With a lack of claimed power out at the moment, the Invaders may have felt he was too dangerous to their own alignment as well as players were getting narrowed down.
Going over T-Bone's ISO, I think either he never used his power, or he used it on BL/Ludi early.
He has a ton of Snake hate in his ISO, especially with:In post 535, T-Bone wrote:Vote: SnakeComing in, and not reading the thread, only to contribute to the two vote hammer on Amrun yesterday that the majority of us specifically asked NOT to happen, killing all discussion we had going on.I wanna put Snake and the second person in the pit today. (That'd be Cooldog, and Muffinman with the late hammer, but sigh one is confirmed town)Definitely Snake because Snake needs to die, regardless of who else we throw in the pit.In post 621, T-Bone wrote:Kill Snake with death please. (after we kill the outted scum of course)In post 623, T-Bone wrote:Well anyway, kill Snake with death for randomly coming in and ending all discussion yesterday.
..But Snake never posted more than a single line that could be asked if it would be truth or lie. So I think that is just T-Bone acting on his gut.
However over the course of his ISO, he states he thinks Ludi is town, and he brings up question about spring's Miller status and it's strength (but the way he asks it, sounds like he possibly lie detected Bunny because of the comparison question).-
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In post 1018, Magister Ludi wrote:Toog, thats a rather big post with not much relevance.
There is a lot of relevance to the post for my own scum hunting. For one, I am trying to determine Oversoul's reactions to my questions to truly determine whether or not he is scum. At the moment, I am going with my original gut (and reason I didn't vote him to death yesterday) that he is town who made a stupid mistake. Vibe I am getting is that he wouldn't [as scum] try to claim a Masonry with a claimed Vanilla. I just don't see how people would believe it, and honestly, him screwing up the delivery is probably the most promising reason to believe it.
Determining whether or not two teams exist will help us as well. It will be less likely scum will bus scum if there is one team if they can avoid it, especially after 2 scan lynches to their team. But if there is two teams, they may be more inclined to fight each other to continue to look better. Muffin makes a good point though that the only kill that could indicate a second team is the ABR kill, as the other two deaths may be more likely to be Even Night Vigings.
By my opinion, my ISO of T Bone would also suggest that attempting to scum hunt based on his flip is likely not going to tell us anything, since the only person he had a hard on for lynching didn't give enough posts for T Bone's ability to work.
In post 1018, Magister Ludi wrote:Who are the top three people you think are anti-town, and why?
Right now, my thoughts are leaning to kiwi for some odd posts, including posting that spring is more likely to be scum since bunny was Miller, and claiming that T-Bone was aggressive towards Snake.
My other two choices would be Booger and Darox (inb4omgus), both for the same reason. Neither is really doing anything but going with the flow of the game and egging other players on as if they were watching from the peanut gallery. They've had a little content now and again, but for the most part, they have just laid a few votes, had a few fluff posts, and let everyone else do heavy lifting.
Town-wise, I've felt the Timeater slot and you have been pretty town. Amrun and spring get some town credit as well due to scans and flips, though I do hate that spring has had all of one post since Day 1.
I'm in no interest to throw a vote down at the moment, since for all intents and purposes, I lost an entire day of discussion that I am still analyzing, and the other days were freebies from scans and modkilling. I do think kiwi will end up with my vote at this current pace though. I think the Oversoul voters are looking a bit opportunistic at his fail of yesterday, so I am trying to get a better read on those slots as well.-
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Spent some time this morning ISOing a couple players.
Mastermind of Sin has moved up my list of scummy players. He was White Knighting Palisades to the nth degree since Day 1. If he is scum, he would of course have known that Palisades was town, and he was Pal's only defender. The "I told you so," comment I think was just butter on the toast.
However, what I really don't like about MoS's ISO is that his must lynch lists have included a lot of people who are town, and yet he is ok with it.
...btw, I hate when people include themselves in the "town" category. Just leave yourself off the list, it's assumed you think you are town, because everyone wants to think they are town. I get bad vibes from people who do this.In post 115, Mastermind of Sin wrote:
People Who Are Scum:
xRECKONERx
Kise
Albert B. Rampage
zMuffinMan
People Who Are Not Scum:
Fate
The Fonz
Mastermind of Sin
His next, "must-die" list:
Great, he chose the lurker scum to add to the list, but it's still comprised of mostly town and a half scanned player. The Fonz is the only question mark, but I don't get scum-vibes from Fonz, so not really a point in his favor.In post 324, Mastermind of Sin wrote:I would be willing to throw any of the following into the pit against Palisade-town before I'd throw Ludi in:
ABR
Ghostwriter
The Fonz
Amrun
xRECKONERx
Kise
If anyone feels like starting a wagon on someone from this list, I'm with you.
Here he tries to mask his list as being "good." He even states Amrun is scum for his own reasons that aren't tied to WLC, and doesn't want to preclude the possibility of Amrun on the other faction, yet he doesn't explain why he thinks this. He even knows that Amrun is half scanned and still votes him, which I am sure is because Amrun is still a hot topic on Day 3.In post 596, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Posted on Day 1:
Mastermind of Sin wrote:I would be willing to throw any of the following into the pit against Palisade-town before I'd throw Ludi in:
ABR
Ghostwriter
The Fonz
Amrun
xRECKONERx
Kise
If anyone feels like starting a wagon on someone from this list, I'm with you.
In other news, I feel pretty good about the net I cast in this post. ABR and Reck obviously rubbed me the wrong way because they were hiding that they were a power role. Process of elimination leaves me feeling pretty comfortable with my vote, and The Fonz still looks good for lynching, too.
I don't think Amrun is scum because of interactions with WLC, although that was certainly a nice icing on the cake. Not being a Black Dragon doesn't preclude Amrun from being in the other scumgroup. However, I could get behind The Fonz going into the ring tomorrow instead of Amrun, if y'all want to be pussies about it.
...though this is going against scanned scum GhostWriter.In post 667, Mastermind of Sin wrote:OMG NANOOK IS BACK! <3
HAI NANOOK!
Vote: Amrun
Let's get this done and give Amrun another KO.
however his reasoning is:
...which sounds hypocritical to me, because MoS's entire ISO is devoid of any real case on any of his initial suspect pool, or even The Fonz, his current vote.In post 673, Mastermind of Sin wrote:Amrun has been on the Palisade, Cooldog, and Springlullaby wagons. All terrible wagons on town players. She hasn't really given us any useful content all game. You accuse me of not posting a case on Amrun, and yet Amrun hasn't posted a case onanyoneall game. It's just goddamn shameful how scummy she is, and you're giving her a pass because she's not in the same scumgroup as WLC? Bullshit.
The rest of his iso is White Knighting of Palisades, and then throwing out votes in sheepish manner on Oversoul and kiwi. Now with the new day, he is back on The Fonz.
Overall, I really don't like the entire iso of MoS and I think he is scum.
In post 1027, Magister Ludi wrote:See, Toog, that logic applies to IS as well. Come join this wagon.
ISO of IS agrees... Batch him with Bogre and Darox. I doubt all 3 are coasting scum though, and my initial gut was on the first two I mentioned.
In other reads. 3 people on Oversoul at the moment, two of which I have listed as possible scum picks. I am thinking of those two is probably scum since I still maintain the votes on Oversoul are opportunistic. kiwi is the one I feel worst about though.
I'd like to vote either MoS or kiwi at this point, and since it's early enough I might be able to convince people, I will go with my current case.
Vote: Mastermind of Sin-
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I operated under isolation already knowing that Palisades is town, and reading the intent behind his posts. He could be Serial Killer for all I know, I just don't like the way he posted his defense or his "I told you so," nor his follow up list of anyone being lynchable that was on the Palisade lynch. My statement that I think he is scummy for calling someone town is the opinion that I have seen that before and didn't like it.In post 1042, zMuffinMan wrote:toog wrote:If he is scum, he would of course have known that Palisades was town, and he was Pal's only defender.
Well, if you're working on the assumption that there are two scum factions, then no, he would not have known that Palisades is town. And as far as I can tell, you still are working under that assumption, aren't you? Which makes this a very interesting thing to say.
You will also notice that I have been drinking the kool-aid over the last couple pages, agreeing that the burned to death characters are likely vig targets (whom I think is Scorpion), and agreeing that the only kill that looks like a possible double kill is ABR (whom I believe is Reiko and Kano). I have not tried to make any assumptions of scum fighting scum as of yet since I haven't been able to concretely state that we do or do not have multiple anti-town factions.
To the best of my knowledge, I have never played with you or mastin before this game (exception being [redacted] which is currently running as well which mastin was in as well). I try to avoid meta as it's more trouble than it's worth, and have never researched a player I've never played with before.In post 1048, Mastermind of Sin wrote:In other news, I think Toogeloo and kiwieagle haven't read up on their MoS meta recently.-
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In post 1087, Internet Stranger wrote:Read again, none of you are suspects except for Ludi.
Are you saying we are all town in your eyes then?
In post 1077, Internet Stranger wrote:
At first I was thinking that Muffin was the scumbag for the silly sheeping.
Or MoS is also making bullshit lists and floating around like a vulture in order to see if this little wagon on me gets any traction.
Or Toog for doing the same thing as MoS.
Or maybe Fonz for making bullshit mini-lists and narrowing down from a pre-prepared field. But at least Fonz looks like he is scumhunting.
This is offhand scum hunting IS. This is why it appears as though you have 5 suspects. You CLAIM that none of us are suspects, but this list appears to be a way to come back and say, "this person is scum for this reason, and this person is scum for this reason." If you survive and Ludi flips town at some point, you have given yourself a list of outs.
Still don't like MoS, especially with his lackadaisical vote on IS. Town meta or not, it almost looks forced.
CSL's last post is awful, and he hasn't been back to defend his stance on it.
Bogre is no where to be seen, prod please.
Darox continues to post coast. I'd like to see an actual opinion on who is scum or town from him. His current vote is more of a "better than nothing," vote (it's on me, not MoS, btw).
kiwi came in and did another soft jab at Oversoul before disappearing. It wasn't even content, it was more of a retort post.
Can we have a springlullaby replace or something at this point, please? Slot is more than likely town, so the input would be nice to have.
Of the Oversoul voters, Nero is the only one to put together a case outside of the fail-gambit is fail. kiwi, Bogre, and CSL are all lurkish (non-existent) or soft on content. Kiwi's attempts to subtly imply certain aspects of the game still make me dislike him the most (like the implication that T-Bone was going after Snake, like it had something to do with his power). CSL's odd statement and lack of impression from the slot all together has me list him second. Bogre and Nero are probably the town of the Wagon, though neither is a paragon of their role if this is so.
With that, I will have Limited Access through the Weekend. My mother is in town, and my wife has planned some activities. I will try to poke my head in when I can.
V/LA until Monday-
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Sorry I haven't posted since my V/LA ended. I have a kidney stone, it came on suddenly, and I have been on percocet and had little energy to do anything yet alone worry about a mafia game.
We have just a little over 4 days to come to a consensus on who we want in the ring, otherwise the top two with the most votes are going in.
Your list does not mention Ludi. What does this statement make you think of Ludi's alignment?In post 1183, Darox wrote:Eh.
I went back and checked, and Ludi started the IS kick, not muffin. I don't really see scum looking at the state of affairs at that time and deciding what they really needed to do is bus a teammate.
Disagree. I do think Oversoul is town regardless, but if Nero does flip scum, I don't think that clears CSL at all. Scum can attack other scum, especially if one or both of them look bad. If CSL gets lynched and flips scum, it would make Nero look better, and vice versa, but it doesn't clear either of them from not being scum.In post 1203, zMuffinMan wrote:btw, when Nero flips scum, and people begin to realise that there actually is only one scum team, CSL and Oversoul are 100% town.
@Amrun:
You and I have both been cleared to be NOT Black Dragon, but we have not been cleared as being NOT Invaders (Reck's scanning). One team or two, people can't just dismiss as confirmed since that possibility would still exist in their minds. This is why people are arguing you aren't confirmed town.
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If he stays on Oversoul, at this current pace, Oversoul will go into the Ring (we are likely going to be putting in the top two today instead of two different lynches). According to the last votals, only IS, Os, and MoS have more than 1 vote. There are a lot of single votes thrown out right now, which are more wasted.-
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Unvote;
Vote: CSL
...just to ensure Oversoul isn't going into the ring, and CSL makes a good back-up to MoS since he isn't getting attention today it seems. I am fine with CSL v. Nero in a fight to the death. Had a town read on Nero earlier, and a scum read on CSL, but I have town reads on *most* of the people on Nero, so their judgment is worth noting as well. Their arguments in the ring will be my deciding factor though.
I'm a little concerned of the exodus off of IS, and forsee a constant problem with IS v. Ludi tomorrow, especially given today was dominated by that discussion. But I very much would like to discuss the anti-town/floaters and get them sorted out as well.
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muffin, I think you have Nero wrong, and I like part of Nero's idea that Ludi wasn't the only scum on Stranger, however, with the Mafia death last night, I don't think that absolves anyone of innocence. IS is more than likely not a Black Dragon at the very least, but he could be Serial Killer (or second mafia if that idea is still being toyed with).
One thing in particular that started to bug me on reread was Amrun's continued insistence that she is Town based on a non-Black Dragon scan. It seems she is pushing a bit too hard on my reread, and that she is either Invader or SK trying to constantly show innocence.
I'd also very much prefer we don't let these idle town lie around. Not a big fan of the players who are not lifting a finger to do anything and riding other people's wagons.
As far as speculation of the teams and Night Kills...
Fate was killed Night 1 (as per ABR's watch). The only person he stated killed Fate was Ghost. Ghost was Strongman though, so I suppose Bunny might have protected Fate (or another target) and only Ghost's kill got through, assuming two kills went out that night and one was protected against.
I still believe that Reiko and Scorpion are the killers (less sure about Scorpion). Lore wise, both seem to have their own personal agendas. It might be that there are two Serial Killers in the game, one even night and one odd night. Aligned SKs could make sense, but not from what I can see flavor-wise.
As for today, I very much want less dawdling from Darox, Bogre, and Kiwi. Oversoul needs to step up as well.
For now...
Vote: Amrun
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In post 1407, The Fonz wrote:My mind boggles that ZM could still cling the the bullshit IS case after its architect was shown to be scum. That said, although I think there was more than just Ludi pushing that, I don't see Muffin tying himself to a partner that tightly.So my best guess would be MOS on the wagon.Off the wagon, Kiwi is a VI but seems to look more scum-VI (doing absolutely nothing) than town-VI (doing stupid and controversial things). Nero wagon feels a bit defaulty.
Wait... are you saying the flipped town Vanilla was really scum all along? Are you not paying attention?-
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If Fonz is scum, he's probably the Serial Killer or the "second" team. Will withhold judgment for now.
So, Fonz, with this new insight, how does that influence your interpretation of the IS wagon, and since we have what appears to be a cross kill (same person killed both ABR and Ludi, therefore "other" team), how do you read players overall?-
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The same person killed both the claimed Town Watcher (who was solely responsible for a Mafia lynch) and a Mafia member. Killing a Watcher is done out of fear, therefore, the person who killed both is scum and makes the kill on Ludi a cross-kill.
There is no ON Vig, and there is a huge question mark on the whether there is an EN Vig or if that slot is teamed with the ON killer.-
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My problem is that I don't believe that an Odd Night SK is the only independent action. It cuts the balls off of the SK making him only be able to take a shot every other night. I would be upset as hell if I was alone and in my faction and could only kill every 2 lynches and multiple other night kills going off.
There has to be something else about the SK, either he has a partner, or he has another ability that function on Even Nights. I can't believe a gimp ass every other night SK exists by itself.
If Fonz is the EN SK and not Vig, are we giving him a free night to do another kill for their team? How do we test him, and as Stranger says, what do we do if Fonz makes it to end game?-
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In post 1493, zMuffinMan wrote:It's not like he can hide the flavour for his vig shots. If obv-town ends up burned to death, treat him as a SK. It's that simple.
Problem with that is that as long as Mafia is alive and an odd night SK, he only has to shoot 2 times or so before we get to end game. Giving him easy targets to choose from only gives him an excuse to be at end without being taken care of himself.-
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Also, shooting people who aren't a detriment to you isn't exactly true. You did kill both the Doctor and a Cop-type character. Not sure about T-Bone, but you seemed to have the vibe that Bunny was more than just a Miller...
In post 142, The Fonz wrote:@The Fonz: I am not full claiming. You can go to hell with that idea.
Right, check the idea that Bunnylover is scum who is refusing to fullclaim so that she can claim most convenient power role if it looks like she might be lynched.-
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This too.
In post 149, The Fonz wrote:Fate wrote:I bet this is your first time with Bunnylover, Fonz
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Its sad but she's town
Yes, it is. What's the deal with her? She's hinted power role. Obviously, it is in the interests of town to pin her down to one claim, so that she can't just pull out the most beneficial claim when she's run up.-
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In post 1604, Internet Stranger wrote:The cases on Darox and Nero are shitty and non existent.
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In post 1673, Bogre wrote:In post 1671, Toogeloo wrote:Bogre laying on some ATE in his latest posts.
"I know I am going to get lynched because I am lurkish, but that is ok because my lynch will help town."
This is blatantly not true. I said I might be lynched, which is obvious is thrown in. The lynch of ANY of the people I mentioned will help the town, but for me myself, I think you would have a big proportion of the scum going for it (less need to put exceptional reasons down for voting someone who had been less present) and wouldn't put much suspicion on them.
I just think the stagnation we are now facing is the most dangerous thing against us, and I don't mind shaking that up a bit.
That was just my gut reaction to your post. I was kind of summing up how I interpreted reading it.
I will agree that there is a slight degree of stagnation.
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I feel that anyone that isn't on a leading lynch needs to justify why they feel neither should be in, and why someone else should be in. I hate these lone ranger antics of people who just want to ride out a solo vote on someone. Take stance on the top picks, and present a reason why they should or should not be in a duel today.-
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Vote: Darox
...Rule of 4. When scum lists 4 people, one of them is generally scum as well, and I really don't think Oversoul is scum. Plus I just don't like Darox.
I am legitimately interested in why The Fonz shot Nacho over either option he told us he would do yesterday (Kill Bogre, or Kill Survivor of the Duel). Most people had a town read on Timeater, and by default on Nacho.-
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If it's a two man scum team AND a two man SK team, are we fucked either way?
Also, how does everyone feel about a Mass Claim at this point?
Unvote
I haven't got a clue who the Shuriken guy is to be honest, and I think claims might help a little on the meta front. Willing to put IS in, but I think we need to put our second guess in as well, or at least hear who IS thinks is the Shuriken guy, and maybe put the two of them in together.-
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