Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Blackberry]

I doubt he is BP. Did you read BNM? If he is BP it is 1 shot BP

I skimmed the important parts morseo. Relooking it up, Scar (old CR) was not a 1-shot BP in BNM... he was fullon bulletproof... ?

[Blackberry]

Do you know how much hate the mods got for making the CR BP?

No, I didn't read any player posts.

If I was a mod I'd make the CR bulletproof and all his cult members dying with the cult leader. Thus, the town succeeds by the majority of the players successfully figuring out who the CR is. A vig or mafia shooting the CR seems dumb IMO. If the CR's recruits don't die or revert back to town after CR dying then I think the CR shouldn't be in the game in the first place. But that's just me...

Is it true it was never confirmed what happens to recruits when CR dies?

[Blackberry]

@BB, 2077-

Spoiler: You're speculating a lot; come back down to Earth and let's lynch the CR

-In BNM our role PMs all specifically stated that we have a <

colored

> Ring. Our role PMs here don't say the same thing. I doubt there's any game mechanic related to hammering to take rings or whatever.

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Thank god you said that. Earlier I said there was something weird about my Role PM that I realized after reading BNM (What was it? : That I don't have a ring and I freaked out...). However, after doing some research on my character I came up with an explanation as to why this made sense given my character (and thus led me to believe my power can't be stolen).

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At this point I *think* it's obvious what I am and thus it won't matter if I claim or not. If we don't lynch CR, I think I can prevent getting killed tonight BY CLAIMING (and by promising to do a specific action).

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The fact I'm not the only person without a ring, I hereby destroy my theif theory.

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Unvote, VOTE: WLC

Peer Pressure. Yall better be right.

[Blackberry]

We need a hammer, I haven't pulled anything.

Plus, OS seems sincere and Kast has at least proven he is intelligent and looking into the game.

Shrinking CR possibilities. Plus of the remaining possibilities, one in particular I may be able to prove as non-CR if both of us are alive tonight.

[Blackberry]

Also, I don't think WLC is town anyways. I do think he will be anti-town of some sort.

[Blackberry]

OBTW Toast is confirmed non-CR via Oversoul claiming he knows of the block on him.

Unless Toasty was CR and OS the recruit which was my argument the entire time Andrius. -_-

[Blackberry]

Ah.

Did you 'read'? Or ... sleep?

[Blackberry]

Just die in a hole. Because of recent interactions when WLC flips CR Subliminal or Tans are likely recruits.

I've been pushing for a WLC lynch pretty much all game, if he recruited me, why would I still do that? Bus attempt? If he is the CR why would he recruit me knowing that I have been pushing for him all game?

Ummm, if he IS CR... wouldn't the recruit auto-lose? How can he win? He'd be alone (1 is dead, there's only been 2 nights, thus there can only be 1 remaining). If it's someone with a power, they'll be caught in the long run because they no longer have that power. Long-story short, if we kill CR today, I think the recruit should be at the back of our minds not the front because they aren't a threat (unless someone was right about a 'back-up cult recruiter... which seems dumb...).

[Blackberry]

Dear Kast;

...and anyone else who thinks WLC is the cult recruiter...

We think it's pretty goddamn obvious that WLC is mafia. We think the votes of Apokalyptika, Toogeloo, and Ghostwriter, which display an avoidance of voting WLC even when he's the only valid counterwagon, are proof of this.

We will hammer WLC only on the condition that you make a vow that if he dies and flips Mafia, you vote whoever the fuck we damn well say for the second lynch. If he flips cult or town, fine, no obligation, but if he flips mafia we get to say "WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO" and then you lynch our target of choice.

Deal?

Cult and his recruitee. Gotta love 'em.

It makes absolutely no sense for a 'recruitee' to post the above.

[Blackberry]

Mr. S, how do you explain CJ=CR when he claimed Dr.?

[Blackberry]

Actually thinking about it...

Who do you think is likely to get the 'fake claim' of a Cult Doctor by the mod?...

MAFIA?

or

CULT LEADER?

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It would give mafia an unfair advantage to know it's a safe claim cuz now he knows that there is no cult doctor, but town doesn't. Cult leader is already associated with the cult and it doesn't give town or mafia an advantage over the other in finding the cult by gibing HIM the fake claim, it just lets him know there isn't a cult doctor.

[Blackberry]

I'm tempted to do the 'do nothing and sit around' strategy that seems to be working for Nikanor, Andrius, hiplop, etc., etc...

But my tempatation to play and win overrides that.

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@ Mr. S, I did throw my anti-cult doctor theory out the window earlier when I unvoted. In fact, Muffin illuminates as non-CR, non-mafia for bringing it up and questioning Nikanor, etc.

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Muffin & Mr. S... what would you propose we do at this point? Get CJ to claim his new power? Get CJ to show up at all?

Does anyone agree with me the ring had to have come from a pro-town role and the fact no one is claiming it is... odd? If everyone ignores my OS/Toasty theory, the only person left I could see giving the ring is Mr. S and he obviously didn't do it. >_<

[Blackberry]

You only have to give us your vote if you were wrong and we were right.And what's the chances of that occurring?

None because you are wrong, Skrew. Once he flips CR does that mean you get to be my lackey? I am going to enjoy this.

If he flips CR, I'm voting scum-confirmed-vezok.

[Blackberry]

I want to be bonded to someone...

*looks at Nikanor*

Cuddle-time?

[Blackberry]

I dislike allowing Tans to hammar.

Given Larfleeze's ability last game...

WLC, hammer yourself once Mr. S puts his vote on you...

[Blackberry]

You claimed Larfleeze.

I've said over and over again. You are not acting how you acted last time we were town together. And you have ignored me every time I've said it.

[Blackberry]

Yes, post 672 is the hammer, with post 673 being incorrect. Friend should have been early on the ooba wagon, and therefore, there should have been 12 votes on ooba. So the "final votecount" is:




Votecount 1.2.Final

ooba (12) - Mr. Subliminal, Friend, Kast, Nikanor, ToastyToast, FrozenMirror, hiplop, WeyounsLastClone, Andrius, vezokpiraka, Apokalyptika, tanstalas
WeyounsLastClone (1) - ooba
Apokalyptika (1) - Candle Jack
inHimshallibe (1) - Lady Lambdadelta
Kast (1) - mastin2
mastin2 (1) - nopointinactingup

Not Voting (6) - marco1610, GhostWriter, zMuffinMan, kondi2424, inHimshallibe, Oversoul


Okay, NOW the lynch scene is coming...

Not to mention, you've already hammered once.

Although, the fact we don't have items, I actually don't think we have anything to fear. So I change my mind, I don't care (LOL).

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I said YOU aren't acting the same. What you just addressed is how I am acting. Wtf?

Plus, you've played one game with me as town, one with me as scum. I think there's a clear difference in how I played in both those games. You have yet to mention or say 'BB is acting how he did when he was town' (i.e., my wacky/rambling-ness).

[Blackberry]

woah am i really in prod danger? damn. sorry guys

The important notes:

* Apparently we're lynching WLC
* You missed my theory that Toasty is recruiter, recruited OS, OS must now lie and pretend to be roleblocked when in fact he gave CJ the ring because he was delayed N1, but he can't admit he gave CJ the ring because that reveals he wasn't jailkept... but that's just a theory I have based on CJ's choice of words that he was looking for an 'indication from his target whether he succeeded or failed' despite the fact OS at that point claims to have already got a PM saying he had failed.

[Blackberry]

I agree. Hammer. I just want to see a flip right now. >_<

[Blackberry]

Can't you just, I dunno..., hack into his computer and do it for him?

[Blackberry]

WeyounsLastClone (6) - Andrius, Kast, Nikanor, Oversoul, vezokpiraka, Blackberry

*MAGIC*

WeyounsLastClone (8) - Andrius, Kast, Nikanor, Oversoul, vezokpiraka, Blackberry, Mr. S, tans

[Blackberry]

*EVIL MAGIC*

WeyounsLastClone (5) - Andrius, Kast, Nikanor, Oversoul, vezokpiraka
Candle Jack (5) - Mr Subliminal, zMuffinMan, ToastyToast, Blackberry, WLC

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BWHAHAHAHAHHA

[Blackberry]

FLIP

FLIP

FLIP

[Blackberry]

<== Wants to see Mr. S become an OS Lackey.

[Blackberry]

B?

[Blackberry]

omg you guys lynched wlc wtf

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN

COMMENT ON MY TOASTY/OS THEORY NOW (or actually, wait to see what WLC flips first)

[Blackberry]

Nikanor/hiplop

Here

Here

Here

Lastly,

Here

Here

[Blackberry]

Cuz you haven't responded to it.

[Blackberry]

I will take the replacement under my wing and he will be my apprentice.

Rule 1: You don't need to read the thread, just go with the flow till you feel caught-up.

[Blackberry]

A!

[Blackberry]

TANS.
HIPLOP.
YOU LIVE IN CANADA?
B/C NIK+TOAST+DTM+I ARE PLANNING ONE.

A MAFIA? i think people frown on that kind of thing ._.

lol

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E!

[Blackberry]

SEXYKREW! =D

[Blackberry]

>=( I already know it's sleepykrew. No have to be mean.

[Blackberry]

TANS.
HIPLOP.
YOU LIVE IN CANADA?
B/C NIK+TOAST+DTM+I ARE PLANNING ONE.

A MAFIA? i think people frown on that kind of thing ._.

NO.
A MEETUP.

WILL THERE BE SNACKS?

If you come, yes!

I LINKED YOU NOW RESPOND. GO!

[Blackberry]

SEXYKREW! =D

ohaither;)

ohaither

Can our rings mate?

OH WAIT, THEY CAN'T.

[Blackberry]

I LINKED YOU NOW RESPOND. GO!

I read the first line and was like "Yeah I already know that Toasty is scum why am I reading this?"
I'll probably be voting for Toasty for the second lynch though, if you want to get a wagon going.

My theory is he is CR. Based mostly on the fact he claimed to block OS last night and I think OS gave CJ that ring, which means OS couldn't have been blocked.

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If WLC flips CR, I'm voting vezok. Delaying a Tracker... wtf? Also, vezok's WL claim/story doesn't add up to me.

If WLC does not flip CR, I'll vote Toasty.

[Blackberry]

Nikanor, are you a Green Lantern expert?

[Blackberry]

hiplop, it was a Bastard game, obviously.
>_>
<_<

SexyKrew was the secret answer.

BB wins.

Bulletproof-Lynchproof-Autowin is my reward.

*sits back and eats popcorn*

[Blackberry]

Wikipedia has made me an expert. Why?

I was curious if I had given away my character or not by things I said. But if you're not an expert, nevermind.

[Blackberry]

CANDLE JACK

IS OBVIOUSLY TOWN. THERE IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE A DOCTOR IN THIS GAME.

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TOASTYTOAST IS THE CORRECT LYNCH. OS IS THE CULT RECRUIT, TOASTY IS THE RECRUITER.

Who would give CJ a ring?
* A town-sided role
What town-sided role wouldn't come forward?
* A cult-recruited person (OS) who must now fake being roleblocked and can't confess he gave the ring

Vote: ToastyToast

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Everyone Else:

Not CR

Candle Jack - their claimed role is definetely in this game
Blackberry- their claimed role is definetely in this game
Kast - saw Tans target Andy, confirmed non-CR
Andrius - has powers stolen N1, confirmed non-CR
hiplop - confirmed white lantern, non-CR
zMuffinMan - confirmed white lantern
tanstalas - confirmed non-CR, because he
vezokpiraka - confirmed delayer because of OS (most likely mafia for delaying a tracker)

Leaning No

Nikanor - 'jailkept' Night 1, unless CR can't be roleblocked (hmmm) OR nopoint was somehow recruited Night 2 [I will admit my gut actually says Nikanor is a good lynch, but he is voting Toasty right now so I'm really happy with Nikanor...]
inHimshallibe - claimed 'Red Miller'

???

Oversoul - delayed N1, jailkept N2... (UNLESS, nopoint was N1 target and it got delayed till N2 and still works... this actually seems possible... lots of people told me the action still goes through because it's a N1 action that was delayed, the N1 action does not therefore become a N2 action)
Mr. Subliminal - Ughh, doesn't act CR? - I have a complete and random guess about what his role is, but completely a random guess (lol)
ToastyToast - claims to have jailkept OS last night

LIE

... OS gave a ring to CJ

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Everyone except for Cult

(i.e., Mafia/SK?), if you are smart enough to keep my alive tonight, I can and will use my powers to DETECT CULT RECRUITER. By tomorrow I will either confirm one of the bottom five as non-CR or condemn them as CR.

[Blackberry]

Andrius, I'm 2 seconds from claiming just to get your vote off of me (also I think it's obvious what I am if you READ, specifically, Kast's posts).

Let's get our shit together

Also, I really think we should get organized with everything. I'm really disappointed that just because we have two lynches in a day, everyone seemed content with not discussing (both Candle Jack and Nikanor appeared to be lurking, as they both suddenly appear after the lynch has been sent in... I am not accusing people of being anti-town because of this, as I think the MAJORITY of people are doing it and I feel people think 'oh we have two lynches, it's ok, we can slack off and get this done with').

I think we all need to put our thinking caps on and work together. There's 13 of us. There's no reason that onlt 4-5 of us should be doing most of the posting.

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Commander Muffin

Muffin, I think you're smart and have been asking the right questions. I want to assign you to help sort out all the white lantern-claimed people and confirm they all got the same PM as you did. Also, we need things clarified, such as if it's true WL's can't be Cult Recruiter (Mr. S posted this, but then backed-down from his claim, etc.)

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Andrius, do you want me to claim? I already have most of it written out.

[Blackberry]

I laugh at the mods who think that double-lynches will solve the games' problems.

I DONT FUCKING KNOW.
I DONT KNOW.
OK?

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What do you think Subliminal's chances of being CR are?

Because I don't like the Toasty odds and CJ's town and you're on the chopping block out of POE.

If you do not take your vote off me, I'm claiming. For the same reason you are not voting CJ, once I claim, you will not be voting me.

I agree with you that CJ is town 100% (unless recruited, but still, town 100%).

I posted my list with 5 people who it *could* be.

I am fine with posting my excel sheet too after I claim.

Mr. S - doubt he is CR. However, this is why I want all the White-Lantern claims sorted out and what not so we can confirm who is telling the truth. hiplop & Muffin are 100% confirmed from what I've seen. I don't know about the other claims.

I'm also fine with a Mass Claim. And since me and CJ have claimed, there's really no reason for us NOT to have a mass claim. Not to mention, I still want to know who was bus-driven/redirected if I was...

[Blackberry]

After dropping hints upon hints, Kast has practically called it out.

I'm going to claim, because I think I can convince Mafia/SK not to kill me tonight by working with them to find CR.

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I am

Soranik Natu

.

Green Lantern

. (I have posted in green text twice now).

Mafia Cop

. (I stated that Doctor was the ONLY role that I didn't want to claim and that it was the only role that I saw as confirmed-non-CR when earlier I had stated Doctor AND Mafia Cop are the two roles that will be confirmed 'in this settup').

Spoiler: Very First Posts

My two very first posts in the game I question Nikanor about his investigation ability. Because, knowing my ability, my first instinct is that if there is any other direct-investigative roles out there, it is going to be a Cult Cop. His investigation sounded odd to me. This is also why I questioned inHim about his miller-status early on. Which I will get to in a second.

Spoiler: Night 1 Logic

In fact, Night 1 I had to choose a target without reading the game. My method was to select a person at random, and skim their posts to see if anything struck me as odd. I forget who I skimmed first, but they said something that sounded convincing that both Toogeloo and Frozen had a high chance of being mafia. So I went to Toogeloo and saw him claim of JOAT and 'Cop' which immiediately struck me. I was about to send in my investigation for him when I double-checked to see he was dead. I then read Frozen, who seemed to have not-a-lot of posts and flying low so I sent in my investigation for him.

Spoiler: Freaking out about not having a ring

After realizing I didn't have a ring (didn't realize season 1 had 'items' until today), I read my character and read something about her swallowing her ring so I assumed maybe I can't lose my power because my ring is inside me and thus can't be stolen (lol).

Spoiler: MAFIA/SK READ THIS, My Deal for Tonight

I will use my role tonight on inHimshallibe. Mafia, this will either confirm him as miller, or condemn him as CR if he is lying about being a miller. I also want to add, my role says absolutely NOTHING about color of the person I'm targetting. So inHim's flavor about being red struck me as odd. Killing me TONIGHT will be bad FOR YOU. Because chances are inHim is a miller and people won't lynch him. If he is CR he will come up as non-mafia and we can all lynch him. Killing me, we will just assume inHim is in fact a miller or maybe mafia, but they'll be no reason to suspect him as CR. Plus, if he is mafia (OR MILLER) he will come back guilty and we will have no reason to lynch him so you don't have to worry if he is in-fact mafia.

Spoiler: Bus Driver

When Muffin claimed yet another role that 'could roleblock'. This triggered an idea of bus driver and I rechecked my Cop Results because I remembered Night 2 being slightly different than Night 1 but I wasn't sure. After reading my PMs, my first guess was 'maybe me and Mr. S were bus driven, and my target was whoever Mr. S submitted'. However, after asking the moderator some questions,

the bus driver doesn't work like this, it only switches who targets those two bus driven

. Which made me think 'oh, I'm not bus-driven, Muffin was bus-driven.'

Night 1 my result (paraphrasing) said 'Frozen is not mafia'... Night 2 my result wording changed to 'Your Target is not mafia'... Which made me think I was bus-driven because the mod specifically changed my result wording (there's slightly more to it but it's getting too close to mod-quoteing)

Spoiler: Night 2 Target, @Kast, 'Why it was obvious I wasn't CR'

My Night 2 target was Muffin. I have bluntly wrote this in one of my posts (Muffin=Town). Also about the CR-thing with Kast. I specifically quoted Muffin's PM where he listed me as his top 3 suspects for CR. That is why I stated 'it's obvious I'm not CR and it's obvious as to why' (because my target was suggesting I was CR). This is also why I stated 'my logic then no longer applies' (because since then Muffin has backed-off me after I challenged you that I wasn't CR...).

And yes, Andrius, it does matter. Because half the people here are just placing a vote for the time being (such as on WLC) and then ignoring the thread/lurking and not reading anything and not having any time to rethink their vote (barely anyone responded to my Toasty/OS theory which tells me no one gives a damn about this game).

We need to get organized. We need to think outside the box. We need to find the mistakes and figure out who is what and who can be confirmed non-CR, etc. No more slacking. Let's play the game people. Also, I'm 100% down for a mass-claim because we've already done all the damage we can do.

[Blackberry]

I AM HERE.
YOU JUST WIGGED OUT OVER ONE VOTE.

Unvote

BB is town.

I AM DOWN FOR LE MASSCLAIM.
FROM DAY FUCKING ONE.
BECAUSE THIS GAME IS BREAKABLE AND WE CAN DO IT.

I may be on drugs.

Not a joke.

Not illegal drugs though. Hehe.

I think I'm also frustrated with the fact nobody is playing the game. F#ck me if I haven't read the first 50 posts, but f#ck everyone else who isn't reading today and who isn't contributing.

Also. After actually reading the WL stuff, I do think it was a mistake, but at the time after he kept asking to vig me I thought him highly suspect. Also, when I DID read, I saw WL is confirmed NON-CR, but at least one person said he is NOT confirmed NON-CR. So not such a terrible choice (I also considered selecting Kast so as to prove that I'm not CR, but in my head I thought 'Muffin will come up mafia, Kast will track me, then I can say 'I can prove I'm not CR by lynching my target last night'... but things didn't go as planned... lol).

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Do we want to get the White Lanterns sorted out first? Those that claimed WL and are 100% WL, and those that claimed WL but aren't really confirmed yet?

Confirmed, 100%:
hiplop
Muffin

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Mr. S, what can you offer us?

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Also, I don't think Cult knew that it was a Cult Cop/Mafia Cop. Maybe Cult was told 'there is a cop.' So inHim decided to claim miller, as he did not know the specifics, so he thought the best way to avoid GETTING INVESTIGATED was to CLAIM MILLER.

I am using my powers on inHim tonight to confirm him non-CR. Plus, this will keep a truce with Mafia and give them an incentive to not kill me. At this point I don't really care about finding mafia since we've killed 3. I just want to find the CR. If I can confirm 100% that inHim is non-CR, then that is what I'm going to do tonight.

[Blackberry]

I'm posting my excel sheet. Feel free to tell me what to update. I'm not going to risk someone effing it up and screwing with my excel sheet, so I'll do all the edits.

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Link removed

- The Book of Oa

(updating at this time)

[Blackberry]

Yeah, let's just get Mr. S to claim... >_<

[Blackberry]

If CR, inHim would claim miller as to NOT BE INVESTIGATED. If he was tipped off about the cop but had no idea what exactly the cop (Anti-Cult Cop) was.

Just my 2 cents.

I considered inHim last night, then thought "Oh, nevermind, I'll just get a guilty even if he is mafia, there's no reason to investigate him." It makes sense for CR.

I'm not budging, I'm using my power on inHim tonight and if mafia kill me, well f#ck them.

[Blackberry]

If/when you claim Mr. S:

Anything you know about your roles (White/Non-Lanterns).

Targets each night.

Etc.

[Blackberry]

Mr. S

- You stated White Lanterns can't be cult earlier, is this true? Can WL's not turn into cult?

Mr. S

- How do you have an ability, yet not have a ring? What is the difference/what does that mean?

[Blackberry]

Also...

Next to your name, in your role PM, does it say what membership you are apart of? I.e., 'White Lantern', or does it say something else?

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I think we should make someone who ISN'T already confirmed (Muffin, Hiplop) confirm Mr. S's statement.

[Blackberry]

Yes, I don't think Nikanor has confirmed in any form that he is WL.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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If you aren't cooperative I will vote you too. Us non-WLs need more information from you guys to get a better idea of the picture.

I agree answering if WL can't turn cult is a good thing to keep secret. But do you know, for a fact, that all 'White Lantern' claims are in fact, not cult?

[Blackberry]

(I wonder... if the people without rings got to steal the rings and vanillized town people... and that these Justice League members, could be GOOD or EVIL, but that they have a neighbor-like place where they can all talk...)

[Blackberry]

Nah, I just want more information because I feel like I'm in the dark.

How is it possible you KNOW they aren't Cult Leader? Does your PM specifically STATE this?

If NOT. It is very possible a cult leader was given a fake claim that IS a White Lantern.

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Actually, if you all are actually waiting for rings. N1 I know who was given a ring. Perhaps N2 the person giving rings gave it to CJ instead of a WL... ?

[Blackberry]

I am using my investigation on inHim. I am not budging.

My flavor says nothing about my ability detecting the COLORS of the mafia so I find it really odd his flavor actually states he is miller because of how red he is.

Not to mention, my flavor technically doesn't explain the WHY (motivation - yes, the why - no) behind my cop ability, thus I find it odd that inHim's claim DOES explain the WHY behind his.

Anyone with a PR, does your flavor actually say WHY you have your specific ability?

[Blackberry]

How is it possible you KNOW they aren't Cult Leader? Does your PM specifically STATE this?

If NOT. It is very possible a cult leader was given a fake claim that IS a White Lantern.

This is a very important question because it lets us know if we SHOULD clear the WL or if we should look into them further. At this point we all know Cult/Mafia are given fake-claims. It is very likely CL could be given a claim such as the rest of you.

[Blackberry]

I don't trust any of you are actually

thinking

considering nobody sees/saw what I did with OverSoul and his mistakes. His wording 'No indication from my target that I succeeded or failed' flat out does not make sense in my opinion if he tracked him, but nobody seems to be on my side about this.

[Blackberry]

Considering that your opinion on Candlejack is best expressed as, "He claimed doctor, therefore he's legit," we don't really give a fuck.

You don't give a f#ck about finding Cult and confirming or not-confirming people as non-CR?

O_o

There is absolutely nothing wrong with answering the question, except for the fact you are being non-compliant.

[Blackberry]

@OS

- I find it highly suspect the mod would tell you, 'You did not succeed'.

Did you submit an action for N2?

If yes, when did you know that you were able to submit an action?

Did you ask the mod if your 1-shot was still available?

If you did, when did you ask this?

[Blackberry]

I'm not calling you scummy. I'm asking for f#cking compliance.

I asked if your PM specifically states the other WL's are not non-cult. I am trying to CONFIRM YOU NON CULT YOU F#CKING MORON.

If you are clearing eachother based on flavor, WE ALREADY KNOW MAFIA HAS A FAKE CLAIM.

Thus, this is why I am asking, are you clearing them because your PM states so, or are you clearing them because you assume the Cult did not get a WL as a fake claim?

The fact you are not answering it, if other WL come on and are more than happy to answer it, this only makes me highly suspect of you.

Not to mention, the fact you claimed the Entity, then retracted it, without any hesitation, makes me feel like that was your fake-claim but for whatever reason you retracted it or something.

In all honesty, your playstyle reads as town, so stop f#cking it up and be compliant. There is no reason to not give information that Muffin/nikanor/hiplop will give us anyways.

[Blackberry]

Muffin / hiplop / Nikanor

Can you answer the below (since Mr. S is non-compliant):

Does your role specifically state that other WLs can not be the Cult Recruiter?

Or, are you clearing eachother based on the fact that you all have the same role flavor about WLs?

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What do you think of the idea that the Cult Recruiter could have a WL claim as a fake-claim?

[Blackberry]

Other head here.

Blackberry, do you think any of zMuffinMan, hiplop, or Nikanor are the cult recruiter?

Do you think we're the cult recruiter?

@Oversoul:

Man, you're totally right. You should vote us.

The fact you are being noncompliant makes me suspect you could be and just want to be considered clear.

Nikanor acts cult-recruited today. He is barely posting considering he said this is his 'favorite game'.

Muffin I doubt but it's always possible. But I'm going to say least-likely.

If hiplop had a fake-WL claim him being cleared based on his flavor-play would definetly be a smart move.

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Mr. S, why do you not care if people vote you? 7 to lynch, there's probably 2/3/4 mafia left, 1 sk/3rd-party, 2 cult (CR & possible recruitee). If just a few town people vote you, it doesn't take much for the anti-town to hop on as well and make up some excuse for voting you before you have a chance to unvote. I feel for the most part anti-town wouldn't act how you've acted, but I really feel you need to be more compliant with people and not say 'Whatever, vote me'.

[Blackberry]

Scum Remaining:

1 SK (Randomly will guess a WL - because everyone else has claimed actions)

I'll say... 2 Mafia (Vezok & ???)

1 CR (???) + 1 Recruitee (Anyone, unless CR was roleblocked)

[Blackberry]

The fact you are being noncompliant makes me suspect you could be and just want to be considered clear.

Nikanor acts cult-recruited today. He is barely posting considering he said this is his 'favorite game'.

Muffin I doubt but it's always possible. But I'm going to say least-likely.

If hiplop had a fake-WL claim him being cleared based on his flavor-play would definetly be a smart move.

You suspected none of us before the WLC lynch. WLC was not even your top contender for you for recruiter. What changed?

Mr. S, why do you not care if people vote you?

Because it's not lylo and anyone who quickhammers will lose, thus no one will. See: WLC lynch.

I have an open-mind. Unlike everyone else, I am not afraid to think about everything and change my mind.

I'm considering all the possibilities here and only clearing those that are 100% cleared as non-CR.

[Blackberry]

I have an open-mind. Unlike everyone else, I am not afraid to think about everything and change my mind.

I'm considering all the possibilities here and only clearing those that are 100% cleared as non-CR.

So you're considering Candlejack and Kast, then?

They're in the clear list.

I'll say... 2 Mafia (Vezok & ???)

If there was only some way of...investigating...someone that might tell you if they were mafia or not!

I'm investigating inHim. My mind will not be changed.

[Blackberry]

CJ - can you clarify what your new ring is?

Point 1: There is no Orange Lantern besides Larfleeze & Lex...

Point 2: Rolecop... isn't that the same thing TANS had? How does your power work CJ? If it is the same exact thing tans claimed and tans hasn't commented that his ability was rolecop... well then...

I.e., at this point I'm fairly convinced that (for whatever reason) CJ now has Tans' ring now that I remembered there's only two orange lanterns ever (and technically Role Cop = the same thing tans claimed, just stronger-ish).

I also think CJ is 100% not the CR and anyone voting him is going to kill off an important town role. At the very least, leave him alive so we can see what he gets tomorrow. We can direct/select his target based on who we suspect.

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@Tans

- What is your role ability called exactly?

Mafia Copier

?

[Blackberry]

I also meant to say this in the previous post, but I don't think your claim will keep you safe; if you ARE able to find cult, they're just going to recruit you and stop it. If you are NOT able to find cult, they can ignore you. If you are going to find mafia, they should kill you. Since you announced that you're going after the miller; if InHim is ACTUALLY a miller, then scum have motive to kill you, thus protecting themselves tomorrow, and setup InHim as a mislynch for tomorrow.

If mafia KILL me, that leaves no reason to actually GO AFTER inHim. If inHim is CR he would want me out of the way, but if MAFIA kill me then jokes on them cuz then now we know they just want to f#ck with us.

If inHim is aligned with mafia, it will keep inHim safe 100% to keep me alive. If inHim is NOT aligned with mafia, it will benefit them to keep me alive because for all we know inHim could come back non-mafia and then we KNOW he is CR.

I am not changing my mind on this.

Not to mention, if there's 2/3 scum left, I'm pretty sure one will be investigation-immune like last game.

[Blackberry]

Fine, how about

Toasty jailkeep me then

. Or consider/WIFOM it.

If he does JK me, it might save me... and of all people, I will be able to prove him as non-CR.

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Mafia doesn't need to prompt.

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I say we leave CJ alive, and don't protect/block him.

Best Case Scenario:

Mafia kill him, he's dead, yall no longer suspect him, Mafia does our work for us.

Best Case Scenario:

Mafia keep him alive, CJ can prove or condemn someone else's claim... let's say... OS? Or... Nikanor might be a good one. Someone who hasn't already confirmed their ability.

[Blackberry]

CR won't recruit me because I'm a high-profile target for mafia kills on subsequent nights. If I die the following night it would be revealed I was recruited and then yall will know who CR is.

Not an idiot >=(.

[Blackberry]

You think I'm recruited right this moment?

Considering you keep calling me an idiot, why would someone recruit an idiot? Wouldn't CR be fearful I'd f#ck everything up and not want to recruit me?

-_-

[Blackberry]

So.....

CR could have a WL fake-claim.

Got it.

[Blackberry]

I really shouldn't say this, because it might just fuel people's fire, it's just an idea I saw and looked up.

But looking @ Andrius, he has been very CJ-is-town for, like, ever. If CJ was *hypothetically* CR, and his two recruits were in fact who he targetted each night (Andrius N1, then nopoint N2) that might actually make some sense...

BTW. If CR DID recruit nopoint N1, wouldn't the CR know the WL PM by now? O_o

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Who did Muffin target N1?

[Blackberry]

I think Nikanor is capable of doing what he did if he was bulletproof recruiter... but that's just me.

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How about this question:

OVERSOUL WHAT IS YOUR ROLE ABILITY SPECIFICALLY

(I might have missed it, let me go check).

[Blackberry]

So what are we left with?

CJ
Kast
inHim?

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After thinking about it, Dr. fake-claim for CR makes sense. And now claiming Role Cop seems odd, cuz now he can just fake everything easily (unless someone tracks him).

Would CR be given tracker as a fake-claim? No.

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OMG this game confuses me. I considered the possibility that Frozen was CR and mafia publisher could change it somehow... LOL

[Blackberry]

inHim name-claimed? Where is this?

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I disagree, vanilla should go last. Obviously CR can't lose their powers, so why claim first?

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The CR is either inHim or CJ

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I say we wait for inHim.

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CJ, did you character-claim?

[Blackberry]

Saint Walker with an orange ring now, correct?

[Blackberry]

hiplop:

* Apparently can't find the hint from Mr. S
* Didn't talk about getting a special PM until AFTER it had already been brought up

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I say we make him claim first. Or second, after inHimshallibe.

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I honestly am at a point where I think everyone is cleared as CR (lol). I just want to lynch CR, go to night, and get killed...

[Blackberry]

BB, check out the part where hiplop claims unrecruitable, almost as a throwaway comment, and then doesn't really do much. I think he was given a fakeclaim (or just fakeclaimed) that he was unrecruitable so he would never get lynched (hopefully) and so he would never have to prove an ability which he couldn't prove.

Yes I do.

I think hiplop is highly suspect when I actually look at him.

Also, why would you claim Unrecruitable when now you can't waste the cult's lynch on you? Hiplop apparently doesn't even bother to think about that at all, when, supposedly, he's had all game to think about his role he would think 'I probably shouldn't claim unrecruitable'...

I'm 100% down for hiplop claiming first.

Unvote, Vote: hiplop

[Blackberry]

last day phase I got A pm about white lantern stuff. I thought you triggered that.

Did anyone ever confirm/deny that this made sense?

[Blackberry]

I read Vezok & Subliminal already.

You being CR as a WL fake-claim might do that to 'prove' yourself based on flavor.

[Blackberry]

I can't take this game anymore, TOO MUCH THINKING/DOUBTING.

My gut says it's Nikanor.

>_<

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Toasty could be Mafia Roleblocker who is fake-claiming blocking Nikanor that night, when in fact Toasty blocked or did something else.

...

Eeeeee.

Ahhhhh.

Mass tears.

[Blackberry]

Wait... why would Andrius block Mr. S after his entity claim (which I actually believed to be partially true - and still do).... ?

[Blackberry]

There is a Black lantern cult -_-... as per the rules.

[Blackberry]

WOW.

So I just read Nikanor's posts. The whole message thing that people got during the Day on Day 1... what exactly was it about?

I think the CULT RECRUITER sent it to you guys to f#ck with all of you and confirm himself/herself as WL. The white lanterns are all people who are RESURECCTED, so it makes sense that the BLACK LANTERN can talk to them.

Not to mention, Nikanor at first pretends not to be WL, then he claims WL.

[Blackberry]

lolMoI.

Implying one of them is lying. I lean Nikanor actually. Though I'm not sure what their reason for lying could be.

It's possible that I'm a white lantern, but I doubt it. tans could be lying I guess, but I don't know why he'd do that.

oh holy shit that clears things up
who else just got a pm?

The second quote makes me think he is the one that sent the message. O_o

Not to mention, why would the mod send a message in the middle of the day?

[Blackberry]

My question goes to all our outted WLs. One of the discharged, or one of the 12?

Gambit or no gambit doesn't really matter. Toog is scum.
But I thought you guys were White Lanterns, not Leaguers? You both?

In this post Mr. S you make it sound like you didn't get the PM. Is this correct?

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I think we should look into who got the PM and who didn't get a PM that is a 'WL'.

If every person who got a PM had already hinted/claimed White Lantern, yet not all the White Lanterns got the PM, this would tell me it was sent by someone (the CR) to f#ck with people and clear themselves *eyes Nikanor*.

[Blackberry]

* Cult want to build up their numbers without having their members get killed off so they can win faster.

* Recruiting me, I will likely not last long, so they have no reason to do so.

* Not to mention, they're not going to recruit me JUST so they can get ONE lynch out of inHim.

[Blackberry]

Im against inhim claiming, I already know what he is due to my masterful intelligence.

[Blackberry]

Hmm. I'm not sure that could work.

I just delay the action so it will resolve. He probably has to be roleblocked the day I delay him for the action not to work.

If this is what you think then your vote should be on OS... or are you not reading the thread?

[Blackberry]

Hmm. I'm not sure that could work.

I just delay the action so it will resolve. He probably has to be roleblocked the day I delay him for the action not to work.

Also, this sounds like, 'Shoot I am a one-shot delayer and I delayed the person my mafia partner vanillized last night, I'm going to get caught'... or something along those lines...

Possible Theories:
Tans-Vezok scum team?
Tans is vanillalizer, Andrius never claimed this, because... ANDRIUS WAS RECRUITED N1 (dun dun dunnn), and thus, wasn't 'Vanilled'.
nopoint was recruited Night 2 somehow.
Drill Sergeant (of course) targets Tans, whom uses his abilities on Kast and WLC.

Nikanor is scum/CR?

I'll let yall figure out the rest.

[Blackberry]

How am I contradicting myself?

OS, why are you voting CJ? This makes no sense whatsoever. CJ is def. one of the people we should NOT be voting. There's lots of cult and scum lurking around, why not wait till we resolve the White Lantern stuff before we get further.

There is obviously something up with the white lantern claims because:

WL are claiming to received two things: Their original PM hinting they're a WL, and a follow-up PM. People should confirm who exactly got what, as people are combining them into one group it appears.
Some claim to have gotten a PM that clears them.
Yet not everyone claiming WL has gotten this PM.

In other words, the PM was either sent out by an in-game role (CR) or people are lying about being WL and only have it as a fake-claim.

[Blackberry]

Why are you saying 'that's it.'

My point was, yall need to clarify/confirm who got what. Because it seems to me yall are lumping it into one category.

Did LLD claim to get this PM?

[Blackberry]

Why not just lynch OS?

If he flips town, we lynch CJ.
If he flips cult-recruited, we lynch Toasty.
If he flips red-mafia (as suggested by LLD), we are happy, and we lynch CJ next.

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At this point, either CJ is lying about the ring or someone (OS) gave it to him (or mafia did something and is not admitted to it and it's going to cost THEM the game because CR will end up winning because of the confusion [i.e., redirection Mr. S to CJ) or (least-likely option?) there is some hidden mechanic no one knows about that allows people to gain powers.

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Also, I want a name-claim from Toasty ASAP.

[Blackberry]

HUGE SLIP BY OVERSOUL

OS reveals that he knew the original ring was 'modified' BEFORE CJ reveals that his original ring was 'modified'.

Spoiler: CJ Reveals New Power

FINALLY back from V/LA and had a chance for a reread.

Point 1: There's lying scumbags somewhere in the list of players who have/had blocking/protective abilities. Probably two (either two Mafiosos or Mafioso/Cult).
Point 2: Does somebody want to claim responsibility for the creation of the Justice League masonry? Because if I don't see somebody claim it soon I'm going to assume that it is triggered, and that means there are scum in it (probably Mafioso + backup Cult Recruiter by What Would Tarhalindur Do?). I'm STRONGLY leaning towards WLC being the Mafia Roleblocker, and Nikanor as bulletproof backup cult recruiter makes a lot of sense to me.
Point 3: Kast/WLC, refresh my memory: What Lantern colors are you? I vaguely remember Green/Green, but want to confirm. (There's a reason for this that I will explain once you two have confirmed Lantern color - I *think* tans just outed himself as scum, but I'm not sure...)
Point 4: On a related note, SOMEBODY want to explain that ability that targeted me last night? More specifically,

why the hell do I now have a colored ring that isn't a Blue Lantern ring

(at least that *appears* to be the flavor behind me losing my original ability and gaining a new one).

Speaking of that, I have no problem claiming what my original role was: Saint Walker, regular doctor. Protected Andrius N1 and nopoint (oops) N2. (Speaking of that, either Nopoint's suicide was unstoppable or his death trigger was slightly delayed... flavor suggests the former.) I'd rather keep the new ability under wraps for now, but I'll claim it if necessary.

Vote: Blackberry

for now.

- Tar

No where in CJ's post does he state his original ring changed/modified. Instead it is implied he lost his old ring and got a new ring (why the hell do I now have a colored ring that isn't a Blue Lantern ring) - this suggests a new ring.

Spoiler: Blackberry's Accusations

Now I'm afraid I'll somehow get DAY-KILLED if I don't outright say what I think.

TOASTYTOAST IS CULT RECRUITER.
OVERSOUL WAS A 1-SHOT SOMETHING (HAWK is my guess, AND IS NOW THE RECRUIT).

Toasty claimed to have JAILKEPT oversoul last night (first off, why jail-keep someone that only had a 1-shot ability?).

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HOWEVER, Oversoul was DELAYED NIGHT 1. If Toasty JAILKEPT him, then the action would not have went through.
* However, Oversoul's action did go through, his 1-shot ability somehow involved giving CANDLE JACK A RING.
* Oversoul claimed he targetted Candle Jack Night 1.
* Oversoul indicated he would be able to know if his target was reached.
* Oversoul indicated his ability could somehow reveal/not reveal if his target was the Cult Leader.

*Last night Candle Jack got a ring (Strong assumption this is from Oversoul, and since he was delayed, CJ didn't get it till Night 2.
*Candle Jack admits he got a new ring/power.
* Oversoul, Post 1937, mentions lynching Candle Jack. In other words, CJ has indicated he got the ring, yet Oversoul is ignoring/pretending it's not from him by saying he's fine with lynching CJ. In other words, Oversoul will deny giving a ring because he is now part of the cult (this is the only thing that makes sense, as well as, it makes sense for CR to ADMIT to who they targetted in case of watcher/tracker).

Oversoul can't admit to giving CJ the ring, because then that would reveal that OVERSOUL WAS NOT JAILKEPT. He gave him the ring, and since recruit occurs LAST, he then turns to cult.

(Originally, I had a problem with Oversoul claiming NON-LANTERN yet all the others that claimed NON-LANTERN mentioned the White Lantern being in their PM which told me there IS no 'non-lanterns' just WL's that are mentioned in their PMs. Then again Mastin [dove] never claimed this so Oversoul was either faking the WL claim or is probably [Hawk] who would also not know this).

CJ, any info about your new power that would indicate I am correct might help (for instance, if it's a 1-shot that destroys the CL or something, that is 100% from Oversoul that he gave/used to you... yet he clearly denies the fact you are cleared non-cult because he mentions in 1937 that he is fine with lynching you).

I am almost positive CJ's ring is from Oversoul, which means he wasn't jailkept. OR even if the action still goes through despite the jailkeep, the fact Oversoul is ignoring this and is fine with lynching CJ anyways suggests something highly fishy.

(My question involves being delayed followed by jailkeep... however, I realize that Oversoul's ignoring of the ring & still wanting to lynch CJl gives way to the fact Oversoul is not town.)

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Also, considering there is no other Jailkeeper claims, Jailkeeper seems like a safe claim for a cult. No one else is a jailkeeper, but there are lots of roleblocking roles.

No where in my post do I mention a ring being 'modified or changed'. My suggestion is CJ lost his original ring and gained a new ring.

Spoiler: OS's Reaction/Slip

Whoa whoa whoa.

I was not culted by ToastyToast last night.

I do not have a ring modifying power

/ring switcherooing power. I was able to choose on the first night between the ability of Watcher or Tracker. I think I already said this, but I took Tracker and used it on CJ.

I don't understand how me saying my ability could confirm or condemn CJ would lead to anything other than an investigation role. I repeat, my ability did nothing to change the role/power of my targets I merely tracked him.

Also, I don't buy WLC's claim. If he was Mera he would be a Red Lantern, and Cult Doctor doesn't fit at all with that claim. She has no healing abilities.

If you think I was recruited last night lynch ToastyToast, but I will not be on that wagon. I was delayed and blocked both nights. I can confirm that Vezok and Toasty's powers did work. I was not recruited and do not believe Toasty to be lying about his Jailkeeper ability.

Nobody at this point has said or mentioned the possibility that the original ring was MODIFIED. All talk up to this point is based on theories that the blue ring has gone and a new ring has appeared. However, we later learn that (magically?) OverSoul is in fact correct that the ring was 'modified'. How did he know this!? Because he knows what his ability is.

Spoiler: CJ reveals his ring was 'modified'... after

Ok.

So, we protected Andrius Night one because he was our biggest town read.
On night two, we protected nopoint for several reasons. One was that Friend was exceedingly adamant about him being town, we suspected some sort of role information to be at hand (and it was, as they were masons, though nopoint was recruited night one by then.) {maybe outside chance of a night zero recruit}. Plus, I also had a pretty good ( I thought) read on him being town so I convinced Tar to protect there.

Anyways, at the end of the night last night, our role shifted (for reasons still unknown) from Doctor to Rolecop, in the orange lantern corps.

To that effect, I've been asking Tar to get his and expand on his third point, as he had some convoluted idea behind it, but seeing as he's been missing in action and mafia is not top priority right now, I'm going to wait on it.

It is, though, highly likely someone is totally lying/misclaiming what abilities they posses here, as there appear to be way too many roleblocks and I'll sort through myself to try and figure out what, if anything, that means.

Also, going to reread to try and hit the cult recruiter. To that effect nopoints day two, (and possibly day one) will be of import.

CJ doesn't reveal this until after.

My work here is done. We're lynching Oversoul of ToastyToast (CR).

[Blackberry]

Also, this seems like Oversoul (Day 1) was crumbing that he could give out a ring.

Spoiler: Ring

A mason whose investigative, bulletproof, and can pass through my ability? Yeah there's no way in hell thats town.

With Subliminal claiming to give people their white rings that is actually very possible

[Blackberry]

No. Our flavor mentions our ring initially, as the power of hope working to enhance the power of the other corps, giving them an 'unbreakable shield'. Our ring has since changed color, with the ability to 'search peoples hearts'.

So yeah, we're now part of the orange lantern corps.

This is supposed to be the CJ quote. I got over-excited and quoted the wrong thing, but everything's still in right order of when things happened, etc.

[Blackberry]

Why not just lynch OS?

Why would we ever lynch Oversoul? There's no way he's anything but town or a recruit[1]. Lynching Oversoul is a downright terrible move.

If your question is "Why not lynch Toasty," it's because we think CJ has a higher chance of being the recruiter, that's why.

[1] We are so not sure where you got the possibility of Oversoul, who is the only person besides us to be on every single mafia lynch, is mafia, but upon reflection, we also don't care.

There might be two mafia faction (just like the first game). In which Oversoul bussing his mafia leader wouldn't be that bad, now would it?

His claim of 1-shot watcher OR tracker makes no sense to me as a town role.

Lynching Oversoul guarantees we can figure out who CR is (between CJ and Toasty) without losing a power role.

[Blackberry]

Then we go after CJ if no one confesses to giving CJ the ring.

I believe CJ for the most part and definetely don't want to risk lynching a power role that I strongly believe is in this game.

Oversoul's 'Rage' is just starting to look fake to me.

1: Yes, he did say he got a new ring at first.
2: YOU were the first person to bring up a 'modified ring ability'
3: It wasn't until later that CJ admitted that his new ring was his old ring that changed colors.

Point-Blank: One of CJ/OS is lying.

Unless a Mafia Redirector is involved which I doubt or a WL can claim to have done something to CJ which no one is claiming. All signs point to OS giving the ring to him.

Not to mention.

OS is only voting himself for one reason right now, ONE reason... to prove his 'rage' and make others think his rage indicates he is town.

Somebody give me a good reason OS is voting himself if he is TOWN.

[Blackberry]

Or to put this more succinctly: your *entire* reason for wanting to lynch Oversoul is that you think he's the ring giver. If he's not the ring giver, you have nothing.

@Oversoul:

You claim this in #1263:

What? That doesn't even make sense. I'm not cult. If he can steal abilities that are already used up he might get something. If he can't, then he won't get anything. I've already crumbed what my ability was, but you all took it as a cult claim.

Please show us where your crumbs are.

This is the post that made me look to see if he crumbed anything about giving away rings.

[Blackberry]

OS, answer Mr. S's question.

If you were town and were this 'upset' I'd think you replace out, not vote yourself.

[Blackberry]

Show crumbs plz.

I actually have no intention of lynching CJ if OS did flip town. That would only prove Toasty 100%. I'd wait till next day and see everyone's results. I strongly prefer we not risk lynching a claimed ROLECOP just because 'PoE' might indicate him, when there's a MILLER and OS still out there that are high priority suspects as well and can not help us at all with their night results.

La La La

[Blackberry]

Oversoul, why have you still not claimed your role ability word-for-word?

If OS really wanted modkilled, he'd just post his role in the thread. He is just pretending to act like a raging lunatic so yall think he's town.

[Blackberry]

After Vezok delayed me, I asked the mod what does that mean. Can I send in my target again? He answered in a vague, sarcastic way saying, "luckily for you I don't think it would hurt to send it in again". When I was delayed I thought it was time to crumb and that was when I made the 1-shot comment and the cult comment because I was confused as to what happened to my role.

This doesn't make any sense considering you were DELAYED, not ROLEBLOCKED.

I.e., you wouldn't need to send it in again, i.e., what you claim the mod said doesn't make sense.

>_<

[Blackberry]

Well, I have only read up to the first lynch on D1 so far. I hope to get through the rest of the game this weekend. However, since I've been asked to claim, I will do so.

I am Guy Gardner (1-shot PGO Vigilante). I am a member of the Green Lantern Corps. The way my role works is that the first time someone targets me with a night action, they die. Once my PGO has been used, I get a one-shot night kill. According to the messages that inHim got (the mod forwarded them to me), I lost my one-shot PGO on N1 (doesn't say who targeted me), and inHim used the vig shot on Peregrine on N2.

I am aware that inHim fakeclaimed miller at the start of the game. I assume this was to prevent investigative roles from targeting him and dying.

I believe this. I really, really doubt this is fake.

Maybe Frozen targetted inHim N1 (because he knew he was a Cult Cop and thought him claiming miller with red didn't make sense).

Regardless, I think kdub is cleared .

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I know what happened probably.

Oversoul was both delayed by me and also roleblocked by someone else two nights in a row.

Or you are a mafia roleblocker and thus why you just happened to target the person who was also vanillized.

Btw, did you ever explain why you targetted a claimed TRACKER? What were you expecting to happen? How is the tracker supposed to be proven if you 'delay' him? Wtf?

[Blackberry]

If Oversoul gets modkilled for quoting his Role PM, we may be fucked.

If he gets modkilled and is town, which is really the only case where he's going to get modkilled, Toasty should be on Candlejack, full stop. I don't care about "I'mma rolecop," I think he's the recruiter.

vezokpiraka should be on Kast. If both vezok and Kast are telling the truth, Kast should(?) receive his report from N2 regardless.

I really don't see Toasty-cult-recruiter if Oversoul is town.

If there's no modkill, then we can all discuss this like rational peoples instead of like raging children

Oversoul

.

Why would Kast receive his report from N2 regardless?

Also, Kast was Vanillalized... O_o

[Blackberry]

Why would CR fake-claim a Tracker, something they know they won't be able to prove N2/etc./etc...

[Blackberry]

holy fuck I feel stupid. I know what im looking for, but i cant find it (breadcrumb) ._.

thats a really good plan krew. +1 etc

Maybe you didn't get the PM!

[Blackberry]

no. I (think) I know what im looking for. Cant see what else they meant, but what im looking for could lead to a modkill i THINK.

Pretty sure the other WLs know what im talking bout

Why don't you breadcrumb it then somehow?

[Blackberry]

hiplop

Read the PM.

Read the posts.

Profit.

hiplop doesn't have a PM.

[Blackberry]

@Muffin

Make note that his ring turned Orange the SAME NIGHT that Tans lost his Orange Ring powers, which are very similar (Role Cop = Role Thief, just more powreful o.O).

Just something to make note of...

I do, however, want to note, that of everything I've read on Green Lanterns, I have never once read/seen a 'ring changing colors'.

@CandleJack

- Can you confirm that your original ring did in fact change colors?

I think another possibility is CJ actually now still has his Doctor ability and is lying for the sake of the town and now has two rings... or am I wrong?

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ALSO

@Oversoul

(another slip)

You claim the moderator told you 'luckily for you it won't hurt to send it in again'... however, you are NOT a 1-shot, so that doesn't make sense in that context (i.e., the moderator wouldn't say that o.O).

And the fact you aren't modkilled means you're lying, as you're not quoting your real role PM.

How many times have I called OS out on his mistakes, yet no one is listening?

[Blackberry]

Hiplop please prove you got this PM

NOTHING you've posted has indicated or cleared that you did indeed get the WL PM

Since the other suggested they'll reveal it anyway- why dont you do the honors. Eh?

[Blackberry]

Wait! Inhim accounts for 1 kill each night which means there's only 1 mafia factiOn most likely!! :-O

[Blackberry]

Why are Andy and toasty repeating what I said a few pages back. >:-)

[Blackberry]

I'm slightly VLA. Moved to new apartment today. No Internet yet. On iPhone. Be back soon! Love and miss you!!!


BTW


Hunger Games. Just started reading it. Sooooo. Excited. We so excited.

[Blackberry]

The fact that Nikanor was the one that SAID "All those who got a WL PM are confirmed non-CR" and is now voting someone else who got the PM is ... WTF.

Nikanor WOULD fake-claim Cop D1 to get someone lynched because it WOULD be the perfect play for CR because then everyone says 'Nikanor defintely isn't CR"... and Nikanor has already claimed Bulletproof. Unless Dana has specifically stated "I am not making the CR bulletproof this game" I find it highly likely the CR is in fact bulletproof because mafia killed the CR at night is ridiculous in terms of fairness. So Nikanor can fake Cop, claim guilty, not worry about being killed cuz he is BP CR and then continue the game and laugh at everyone.

And to add on top of all that, when I was invited to this game, I got the impression Nikanor wanted me to join cuz he knew I'd be on his side (I thought we would be mafia together). However, N1 he didn't know I had replaced in yet and after D2 I would have been a horrible recruit. I.e., he hasn't recruited me yet.

[Blackberry]

Yall accuse ME of being dumb, when every single one of you are f#cking idiots voting two of the most confirmed non-CR people in this f#cking game.

*** Mr. Subliminal would not act like a moron (like me) if he was a CR. Skrew's partner would tell Skrew to stfu and not hydra with him if they were CR.

*** I guarantee there is/was a Doctor in this game.

Nikanor, you said everyone that got the PM is confirmed non-CR, YET, you are voting someone that got the PM. I KNOW you are the f#cking cult recruiter. My gut shines big and bright and it says not to trust you. If Nikanor is a BP CR it makes perfect sense to fake-claim a Cop so people say 'He has to be town for that', yet look at him, he's still alive. Yall are morons. MORONS.

And yall thought I was dumb. I guarantee you won't lynch the Cult Recruiter if you kill either Ludi or Mr. S

[Blackberry]

FYI, Andrius is a cult recruit.

Nikanor is most-likely scum.

[Blackberry]

*Nikanor is most likely Cult Recruiter.

Unvote, Vote: Nikanor

[Blackberry]

Blackberry, tell me why you objectively can't be the recruiter.

I still am in favor of completing the mass claim as per my last post.

Because I'm an effing Cop. >_<

You think there's only a CULT COP and no MAFIA COP? That makes little sense IMO.

I don't know what objectively means exactly.

Also, from my behavior I think it's pretty evident I am a pro-town person because my thoughts/actions can't be faked.

I.e., the two reasons I believe I am pretty clear (my behavior, my necessary-role claim) are also the two reasons I think yall are absolute idiots for voting Mr. S (behavior) and CJ's position (necessary-role claim).

[Blackberry]

*Nikanor is most likely Cult Recruiter.

Unvote, Vote: Nikanor

Then how did he recruit nopoint?

Possibilities:

* Toasty is MAFIA and is LYING about who he roleblocked/jailkept in order to clear himself and Nikanor was not in fact jailkept N1. (lol, I realize this is you so you have to claim this isn't correct, but you asked the question)
* The Doctor protected the suicided lover, or the fact that it's a suicide, happens AFTER the recruit and nopoint was recruited Night 2.

[Blackberry]

Guys.

Mass claim.

Why are we not finishing it?

Guys.

Mass claim.

Why are we not finishing it?

Guys.

Mass claim.

Why are we not finishing it?

Guys.

Mass claim.

Why are we not finishing it?

Guys.

Mass claim.

Why are we not finishing it?

Guys.

Mass claim.

Why are we not finishing it?

Guys.

Mass claim.

Why are we not finishing it?

Especially with hiplop and Nikanor.

[Blackberry]

I change my claim.

I am SK and am murdering Oversoul tonight.

You will believe this more when Oversoul ends up dead tomorrow morning.

=D

[Blackberry]

If WL are willing to vote their own buddy who also got the WL PM, I want to know what the PM said.

[Blackberry]

The fact that some of the WL are fine with voting someone else that got the WL PM and yet aren't responding tells me that ALL OF THE PEOPLE claiming to have received the WL PM are either lying or hiding something (such as, only those with WL PMs can be recruited... nopoint for example). Why are we letting Muffin/hiplop/Nikanor slide by when it's shown they are lying about their WL PM and nobody will reveal what exactly the WL PM is?

Masonary my ass.

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Anyone willing to vote Mr. S should be equally willing to vote hiplop.

Both are claimed WL and both have claimed to got the PM. The only difference is Mr. S is acting too crazy to be the CR and hiplop is staying under the radar too much to be town.

[Blackberry]

Not to mention, in the highly unlikely event that Mr. S IS the CR... he currently has no recruits and we still have time to kill him off later since he has no recruits at this moment.

Idiots.

Idiots.

Idiots.

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Also, the fact that Oversoul quoted his PM and is not modkilled means he WASN'T quoting his PM, i.e., he was lying.

[Blackberry]

Toasty who did you target?

[Blackberry]

Nikanor CR. All in favor?

[Blackberry]

Hiplop quote the PM since y'all lynched someone who had it last round. Obviously y'all aren't clear of being CR. Also I say we spend one lynch on CR and one on mafia cuz y'all fuck everything up

[Blackberry]

Ludi did you have a result?

Toasty is confirmed mafia. He has blocked three power roles two of which were in no danger of death.

[Blackberry]

Toasty mafia
Oversoul town (f#ck)
nikanor CR
Two others are town
Ludi town
Tans ???
Andrius recruited

iPhone. Post later. XD

[Blackberry]

Not claiming till last. If I claim roleblocked then andrius and other roleblockers have an easy claim to fake by saying they targeted me. I agree with kasts post 100%. Both mafia and cult might be lying and it's best not to let them know. Blockers should claim first

[Blackberry]

Are Kast, Tanstalas still vanillalized?

[Blackberry]

Why are we ignoring getting claims from nikanor/hiplop?

Still on iPhone but why would nikanor be BP town when we already had a BP town flip???

[Blackberry]

Toast and Nikanor are the two I'd love to lynch today if I called the shots. Nik CR. Toast scum.

[Blackberry]

I agree muffin next with his downgrading ability. Then maybe vezok. These two have something in common both being roleblockerish roles. Then andrius

Then nikanor so we can lynch his CR ass if everything else makes sense

[Blackberry]

Kast - toasty can be mafia. Ie a different mafia member (andrius) or someone roleblocks OS N2 and then toasty claims it to confirm himself. How do YOU explain the result of Toasty not going anywhere? Andrius then roleblocks ludi n3 and toasty claims it again. Hence how ludi was blocked but not from toast.

I wish I was at a computer to make that text really big >_<

[Blackberry]

Why the hell are people voting before we claim.

If people do not unvote until we get claims I will intentionally lie/not reveal any of my results >:-(

If y'all are going be dumb I'll be dumb too

[Blackberry]

I'm not outting anything yet so don't wait on me.

In fact - I dont care for vezok to claim either

I want nikanor / hiplop claims and my question about the vanillaed answered. Asap.

[Blackberry]

I think:

Toasty is scum and is not in fact a roleblocker but a normal goon and he is working with Andrius and claimed Andy roleblocks n3 and n2 to confirm himself

Thus. Nikanor was not roleblocked n1. That was a gambit by toasty.

Vezok - just claim

vote nikanor

As I said earlier. Nikanor did his thing day 1 to seem clear and now he is just coasting on that and lurking. He went from "this is my favorite game" to "lala I'll just watch people get lynched and do nothing". Read Niks reaction to his PM. He is way too overeager about it. Dexter mafia season 1 the SK was allowed to send messages at night. I think our CR might have a similar ability where he might have sent the message that people got. Or it's just a fakeclaim. Either way, Nikanor is scum.

It is also possible recruits happen after death. Black lanterns, in nature, are dead people. Maybe they turned after they died-lol.

[Blackberry]

Errr. Vezok. Only claim if you targeted Toasty. If you didn't - don't claim

Then we make everyone claim

Vezok. Trust me on the first sentence of this post. If you did not target Toasty then don't claim.

More Nikanor votes.

[Blackberry]

Toasty - OS confirmed you night 2 but is now condemning you. How do you explain that?

Andrius - where are hiplops and nikanors?

[Blackberry]

Vezok is not OMGTOWN, and as such he should claim

Incorrect

[Blackberry]

Here are my demands: kill nikanor. Or at the very least get hiplop to reveal the PM since Nik just killed off someone who he supposedly said can't be CR. And get a full claim from Nikanor and we go from there. It's so bleeding obvious nikanor is not town WTF is wrong with you people.

If you do not follow my demands I will intentionally lie about who I targeted to punish you.

I was right about Mr S. I was right about Mera-dude. Listen to me about Nikanor. >:-(

Gut > Theory for me from here on out.

[Blackberry]

There's no room for lies, Toast.
I blocked Ludi.
He claimed RB'd.
Where does that not work?

OS is not a recruit. I think recruits are Vanillized upon recruition (praying the game isn't MORE broken than it already is OH WAIT TROLOLOL) as that's the only way for BALANCE. So you're saying OS is just pulling bullshit results out of his ass?
Yeah.
Because after you are lynched (and in this instance, presumably flip town) he'd be next. NOT THAT HARD LOGIC.
IT MAKES NO SENSE AS SCUM/CULT MOTIVES.

OS is town.

From the brief segment I read about night actions last game. I recall the mod saying, quote, 'the person targetted X, but they were recruited, so he might want to change his target' ... O_o

WHICH WOULD ALSO INDICATE THE MODERATOR IS LYING ABOUT FOLLOWING THE ORDER THINGY.

WHICH MIGHT MEAN THE CULT RECRUITS FLIPPED WERE RECRUITED ON THE SAME NIGHT THEY DIED (or just one of them anyways).

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@Muffin

- I was not roleblocked. When I first got my result, I thought it was really weird until I came up with a theroy. Which is also why I don't want to claim. Point-blank, I think I am being redirected. It is the only thing to me that makes sense as to why mafia didn't block me.

If I am being redirected, it makes sense for mafia to keep me alive. Because if I am close as to who they are, they will hope I investigate them, but redirect me to someone innocent. Then I can come back and report publically that that mafia member is innocent.

Another reason is if there is only one or two mafia left (I doubt it) that at least one of them is investigation-immune (I strongly believe this) and they thought I'd investigate the Godfather and come back and say 'I got an innocent' ... then kill me and clear themselves the rest of the game.

I do agree it's weird they kept me alive and killed inHim (unless they were trying to target Cult Recruits for some reason). The only reason I see this making sense is if they are redirecting me. Which is partially why I think me claiming is bad because then yall will assume I'm wrong about the redirecting and clear people as innocent.

I disagree that you think I'm suspect. You think there isn't a Mafia Cop? Wtf?

Also, I DID get a 'your target' result in my PM again, however, my assumption is mod was doing that for consistency since I publically announced that. But I still think the only reason not to roleblock me when we're pretty sure one of the roleblocking powers has to be mafia (unless we're wrong!?) is if I'm being redirected.

[Blackberry]

Kast2 here.

Read through this BB. Seriously.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?tit ... Resolution

Recruit is 9. Investigate is 10. If CR doesn't vanillize their recruits, then anyone with an investigative power would have the investigation resolve AFTER being recruited, thus it makes sense for Mods to have the investigator pick a new target.

My point is the fact they should be VANILLIAZED and should not be USING their role that round. >_<

[Blackberry]

OOooo.

I just remembered that I claimed I was going to target inHim. Maybe that is why they killed inHim because they thought they could get a mislynch out of me and at the same time kill my investigation.

After inHim's replacement claimed what he did, I believed him and saw no reason to target him.

I've already dropped 3 hints as to who I targetted last night. The first was moreso a process-of-elimination hint saying who I didn't target (I think OS misinterpreted this one as me targetting someone else). The other two point directly to who I did target. >_<

And I got a non-mafia result.

I don't want to take my claims word-for-word though. I'm not going to question them YET and vote any of my innocents, but down the line the possibility of a mafia redirector/bus driver needs to be considered.

[Blackberry]

Toasty mafia
Oversoul town (f#ck)
nikanor CR

Two others are town

Ludi town
Tans ???
Andrius recruited

iPhone. Post later. XD

Two others being Muffin (who I already had an innocent result on) and my most recent result.

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I agree muffin next with his downgrading ability. Then maybe vezok.

These two have something in common

both being roleblockerish roles. Then andrius

Then nikanor so we can lynch his CR ass if everything else makes sense

You can tell my wording/hint didn't really fit with the sentence that well, but I wanted to drop some sort of hint.

Vezok is not OMGTOWN, and as such he should claim

Incorrect

My incorrect was to the 'Vezok is not seen as cleared TOWN' when in fact, I have a town result on him.

Vezok is my innocent result. Hence why I suggested he not claim. Although I am still wary of the redirector/bus-driver thing. Maybe Mafia thought I was a complete idiot and was going to investigate inHim anyways. I think it was especially WEIRD that Andrius told me to investigate inHim/kdub after InHim/Kdub said 'I am not a miller, this is what happened'. I thought it was obvious from that that there would be no reason to say that if kdub was in fact a mafia member.

[Blackberry]

Vezok is 100% town from my POV

For what reasons?

I investigated him and I have my doubts (delaying a tracker).

Regardless.

The first lynch today is Nikanor.

Hiplop, claim the WL PM please.

[Blackberry]

Oooooo.

*interesting*

HMMMMMM.

I retract my claim it was a PM sent out by the CR. But I do still feel Nikanor is CR. His actions are unmistakedly that of scum. A WL claim could be his fake-claim (in fact, it makes more sense for a CR to have a WL-type claim).

Nikanor's overeagerness to clear himself strongly suggests he is anti-town.

Go, go, go.

[Blackberry]

If you were a town player, and had the town's best interest at heart of wanting to kill off the cult and mafia, how the HELL is that all you say?

W
T
F

KILL HIM

[Blackberry]

Toasty is lying scum and did not jailkeep Nikanor night 1


This does not mean Nokanor isn't CR. Toasty is just lying scum. Obviously toasty isn't CR if OS confirmed him N2 but is condemning him N3

Answer: toasty scum

Which means nikanor wasn't blocked N1. Which means there's NO reason he can't be CR

Get your votes on him.

[Blackberry]

unvote
cote toasty

I delayed nikanor.
He can't CR I think.

There's NO way Toasty can be CR so WTF ?!?!?!

[Blackberry]

Once again. Nikanor is voting someone who can't be Cult Recruiter

Nikanor - if toasty is CR - who blocked OS night 2?

I already said Toasty isn't a roleblOcker and thus you werent blocked at all the first two nights

Nikanor isn't even reading the thread.

WTF guys. Do not reward this type of behavior. You're letting cult just coast on by.

[Blackberry]

Nikanor - if toasty is CR - who blocked OS night 2?

Toasty is the CR. Oversoul is a backup CR/n0 recruit.

I accused OS of being toastys recruit day 3. Did you see how he reacted? He even threatened to quit another game with me because he was mad I wouldn't listen to him and thoUght I was an idiot. He was being sincere with that.

Kast - what do you think of Nikanors inability to read this thread when he previously said it was his fav game?

Nikanor - can you replace out if all you're goIng to do is lurk and not pay attention to anything?

[Blackberry]

Has anyone else been wondering why no one else was vanillaized? Or is that just me? O_o

A one (errr, 3) - shot thing? O.o

[Blackberry]

People need to see the clear picture:

Look for scum based on play, not based on roles and theories of what happened at night or who is CR because they were near last to claimincg (Why yall lynched Mera and why yall wanna lynched Ludi)

I was correct about Mr. S, but no one listened. His gameplay was 'CTP' (Crazy Town Personality).

I was correct about Mera, but no one listened. Once again, similar to CTP.

I am CTP (obviously).

Ludi is acting CTP as well, also likely-town.

OS is also CTP (the whole rageful thing) and is likely town, or at the very least, NON-Cult related.

[I had a dream last night that vezok was scum, lol]

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Nikanor's play: LALALALA, DO NOTHING, LALALALA, KILL PEOPLE.

Tanstalas' play: LALALALA, DO NOTHING, LALALALA, KILL PEOPLE.

* I still find it impossible for 3 people to be vanillied. I still think one of them must be lying and/or knew what their partner was doing so faked vanilliaed as well.

[Blackberry]

If you're not going go replace out then read what people say and hunt for the CR nikanor

:-/

[Blackberry]

I am hunting for the CR.
What makes you think that Toasty isn't the CR?

Why don't you read my posts and the GAME and maybe you'd know?

• Toast claims to have jailkept Oversoul Night 2.
  
• Oversoul claimed he was RBed Night 2.
  
• The only way that Toasty can be CR is if OS was a recruit by Night 2 (which we now know is not the case since inHim has flipped recruited).
  
• Plus, ON DAY 2, when I accused OS of being the recruit and Toasty the CR on Day 3,
  everyone thought I was crazy and
  OS's reaction strongly suggested I am wrong because OS was willing to quit.

Your turn Nikanor. How CAN Toasty be the CR when Oversoul claimed he was blocked N2 and we know that the first two recruits were the two people that are dead (i.e., OS couldn't be a recruit Day 2)?

Tick, tock, tick, tock.

[Blackberry]

Plus, ON DAY

*3

, when I accused OS of being the recruit and Toasty the CR on Day 3,

everyone thought I was crazy and

OS's reaction strongly suggested I am wrong because OS was willing to quit.[/list]

* Edited.

[Blackberry]

If you think that the cult started with only one member in double day then you are just a silly goose.
I think that there is probably a backup CR. Oversoul is it.

Nikanor, have you even claimed yet?

Why would there be a 'Backup CR'? That's just ridiculous.

[Blackberry]

Also, Nikanor, if OS is back-up CR, then how did OS know he was roleblocked Night 1? The recruit obviously went through, yet OS knew his action hadn't gone through.

Response to that?

[Blackberry]

I am hunting for the CR.
What makes you think that Toasty isn't the CR?

Why don't you read my posts and the GAME and maybe you'd know?

• Toast claims to have jailkept Oversoul Night 2.
  
• Oversoul claimed he was RBed Night 2.
  
• The only way that Toasty can be CR is if OS was a recruit by Night 2 (which we now know is not the case since inHim has flipped recruited).
  
• Plus, ON DAY 2, when I accused OS of being the recruit and Toasty the CR on Day 3,
  everyone thought I was crazy and
  OS's reaction strongly suggested I am wrong because OS was willing to quit.

Your turn Nikanor. How CAN Toasty be the CR when Oversoul claimed he was blocked N2 and we know that the first two recruits were the two people that are dead (i.e., OS couldn't be a recruit Day 2)?

Tick, tock, tick, tock.

[Blackberry]

I believe 100% OS was not recruited night 2

I believe 100% that Kast is mafia vanilliaizer. Who would drill sergeant select to hel detect cult ? The tracker


Nikanor. Do you realize how much you're contradicting yourself in ur first paragraph and 2nd paragraph. The logic that you are attacking people for using is the same logic you're claiming you can't be culted (but I think u are CR)

[Blackberry]

Ludi you don't make any sense...

[Blackberry]

You know what's still bugging me? That indigo light.

I don't know what this means.

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Has everyone character claimed?

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Why hasn't Nikanor claimed yet? He obviously isn't a power role so there's no reason he shouldn't have claimed UNLESS he is afraid it will get him lynched.

[Blackberry]

So Nikanor and hiplop are the only two without claims/confirmable claims?

[Blackberry]

I'm going to look @ both kdub's & other recruit's posts...

Based on kdub's post, I'm fairly certain: Toasty & Ludi aren't recruiter. I would add Kast to this list, except I find it highly odd that he kdub randomly lists Kast as a suspect. Regardless, the first 2 recruits were revealed and non-mafia so I think it'd be IMPOSSIBLE for Kast-as-CR to fake a vanilliazed claim.

Looking at whoever the first guy was whose name I can't remember but he was a lover XD.

[Blackberry]

nopoint's comments eliminates Andrius as the CR (IMO).

Non-CR due to Recruit's talk:
* Toasty
* Ludi
* Kast
* Andrius
* Pretty Blackberry

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Maybe I should look @ hiplop closer just in case XD.

[Blackberry]

Nevermind, I remember hiplop's claim.

I like my vote still on Nikanor.

AND WHY HASN'T HE CLAIMED, EVERYONE ELSE HAS. WTF?

Correct me if I'm wrong WLs, but WL have a pre-ring power and post-ring power, yes?

[Blackberry]

Darnit Muffin, I had figured out my answer by asking another question then realized that the second question answered it for me XD.

I was about to post and say only Nikanor respond.

I want Nikanor to claim, ASAP. Why is this taking so long? Every other person has claimed. >=(

[Blackberry]

Actually, Nikanor, answer this as well: have you received your white ring yet?

[Blackberry]

Actually, Nikanor, answer this as well: have you received your white ring yet?

Nikanor, I may be able to confirm you town. Although I prefer a full-claim. If you are going to ignore me, at least answer this.

[Blackberry]

I have a deal scum: If there is more than one out there and you are sure you found the cult recruiter please come forward and claim. It will help us both

I concur with this! ^^ I also offer you immunity from being lynched today, I will instead hunt for the recruitee.

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But I think you & Muffin are distracting from Nikanor claiming his info. ^_^

[Blackberry]

NIKANOR, ANSWER.

[Blackberry]

OMG

I am mafia and due to another mafia member who I wanted to just out it but they're too dumb we KNOW Nikanor is cult leader.

I just gave the town CR and two mafia on a platter

GG

[Blackberry]

Nokanor targeted inhim night 2. Yes I'm scumclaiming

[Blackberry]

LOL nevermind I missed the cult claim

Lol
Lol
Lol

(yes I was gambiting to get Nikky killed)

[Blackberry]

Since CR claimed, I can reveal how WL's [probably] get their rings...

Hence, my questions to Nikanor (and next I would have asked Muffin).

According to my theory, Nikanor would have gotten his ring N2, and Muffin N1.

[Blackberry]

Obviously I've gained my ring.

[Blackberry]

WL-Confirmed:

Muffin
hiplop
Nikanor

BB-confirmed:

BB

Muffin again

Vezok - let's hope he wasn't investigation immune/I wasn't redirected or anything >_<

Remaining:

Tans
Kast
Toasty
Andrius

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Thinking about things. Now that Oversoul has flipped NON-TRACKER/WATCHER, I'm more inclined to go after a roleblocker (Toasty/Andrius). What did yall think of my theory they're both scum, only one of which is a roleblocker, and they've both been claiming the roleblocking shenanigan?

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I have to reread to see if Oversoul confessed what his action was N3 and if he was really telling the truth about Toasty not going anywhere X_x.

[Blackberry]

I *personally* think Tans claim is really town.

Andrius
Kast
Toasty

All seem scummy to me. What do you think of ALL THREE of them being scum?

[Blackberry]

I kind of just thought of something... whoever did the Vanilliaizing was probably not scum... If the Vanilliazer was MAFIA and he/she was drill sergeanted, they would do MULTIPLE KILLS. Killing > Vanilliaizing. Thus, I think the Vanilliaizer was TOWN (i.e., Nikanor).

I don't know, just a theory. XD

[Blackberry]

@Muffin

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you also didn't have a town read on WLC or Mr. S ... Yet apparently you have a town read on Tans & Nikanor.

I think your issue is you are going 'they haven't done anything I think is suspect/weird, thus they are town.' When the true issue is 'they haven't done ANYTHING.' and I don't think you're taking that into consideration.

Andrius, myself, Mr. S, all people who post a lot.

Just pointing out how your scumdar works and why it is majorly flawed.

[Blackberry]

I'm against hiplop & Nikanor claiming at this point.

You could all choose a 'hypothetical' target (or 2) that you will choose from, under the assumption you all have some sort of role that will be helpful if targetting anti-town (i.e., roleblocking, tracking, investigation, vigging, etc., etc.). If you do not have such a role, then you can use it on anyone, but claim a hypothetical target anyways or something.

[Blackberry]

I don't understand your thought processes in this game, and quite frankly, if Nikanor tells me that he targeted IHSIB N2, I'm instantly lynching you, no questions asked.

On the reverse side, if Nikanor comes in and said he did no such thing then you admit it was a gambit?

[Blackberry]

I've said multiple, multiple times that I don't think Nikanor is acting like town. His playstyle doesn't make sense. It made no sense for him to go from saying 'This is my favorite game' to a sudden loss of enthusiasm and lurking/sitting-back and not responding at all. That is why I was willing to get him lynched because I felt confident that he was CR.

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Also, I LOL @ Ludi for trying to recruit me when you know the mafia is going to kill me soon anyways.

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When I play mafia as town, I don't think I consider myself having a THOUGHT PROCESS. I have thought processes. I make theories, make assumptions off those theories to see if they fit, then go from there. If a theory/assumption is proven incorrect, I rethink the situation and develop a new thought process.

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FTR

, are you saying right now that you think I'm scum and want to lynch me?

[Blackberry]

I didn't say my scumdar was perfect, I was just annoyed Muffin still thinks I'm a top scum suspect when I think it's pretty obvious by how open and obnoxious I am that I am not sucm. I have no caution whatsoever in my posts, and scum's number one concern is caution.



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OMG

I am mafia and due to another mafia member who I wanted to just out it but they're too dumb we KNOW Nikanor is cult leader.

I just gave the town CR and two mafia on a platter

GG

wut?

I just want to point out. The moment I saw this on my iPhone it raised a flag (I was on my iPhone all yesterday and that's why I missed the cult claim). Btw, in my gambit, I was *attempting* to insinuate Kast was a tracker that tracked Nikanor to inHim. Although I kind of forgot about the delay thing, etc.

Who says 'Wut' to that post? A confused mafia. If Andrius was a town that was really surprised, I'd think he'd ask a question, or form an opinion. His post of just saying 'wut' makes little sense to me.

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Also, reflecting who was Vanillized, I somewhat want to take back my opinion of a town vanillalizer. Mera was not obvtown, so why would mafia vanillialize him? Kast was pretty-protown at that point with his tracking ability, so town wouldn't vanillaize him. Based on Kast's most recent post, and my feeling the entire game that Tans isn't acting how he did as town before, I think it is possible Tans is 3rd party and has two abilities to choose from... but I don't know. Regardless, at this point, I don't want to lynch Tans today.

[Blackberry]

@Kast, you can only be vanilliazer if Vezok is a scum-partner-godfather

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Rereading, Nikanor being Vanillaizer (and his lack of intent to claim supports this) makes a lot of sense. Although 3 people being vanillaed? At least one has to be scum faking >_<.

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Rereading, I think Kast is smart for catching onto Ludi. I overlooked the L-1 thing and thought it was too obvious for Cult Leader to do. On second thought though, if you were a Cult Leader and about to get lynched and your own cult was voting you, I guess it makes sense to do that because you have nothing else to lose when you're about to die.

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I want Andrius to post his thoughts on all the players remaining. =D That way when we kill Andrius, we can find his scum buddies easier. ... Can anyone find if OS said he was faking his 'Toasty went no where' result? O_o Let me read Ludi's posts again or something.

[Blackberry]

I have 100% proof I am town.

Question: If I had guaranteed proof that I am town, should I reveal it, or wait till later so there is still doubt in people's minds (i.e., make the mafia's decision harder)?

[Blackberry]

So, he's not "acting like town" because he's less active?

Tans has seen me play before as TOWN and as MAFIA. I am surprised he hasn't called me out yet as being town. Overall, he isn't acting as frantic as he did as town before in another game.

And you think he was suspicious for being really, really active early and saying it was his favourite game before having his activity suddenly decline. Why did this make you think he was CR?

I don't recall ever suspecting Nikanor until his activity decline. Before that, my only suspscion on his was the fact he wasn't supporting me when he has seen me as Mafia before when I literally do nothing and the fact he was trying to avoid calling me town.

Is it that you thought he didn't know he was CR until D3 or something?

As I've said before, I think he was coasting on his Cop-Gambit, thought everyone saw him as town, and decided to coast to the finish from there by doing nothing. Tans and I have seen scum do this before.

What other things about his play made you think he was CR? Did the fact that he was jailed by Toast N1 mean nothing to you?

Based on how the 'Toast Jailkept Nikanor' came out, I can see it as Toast lying as mafia or, hell, I can see Toast lying as TOWN. If Toast is Jailkeeper, knows Nikanor is lying, why not claim to have blocked Nikanor in order to clear yourself and throw suspect on someone you know is lying? I did not believe Toast blocked Nikanor. On top of that, Nikanor claiming bulletproof made me suspect he is CR as well.

Why were you so confident that you were willing to gambit like that? What if *gasp* you were wrong?

Then I was wrong. I'm not afraid of being wrong... ?

[Blackberry]

Anyways, this is the remaining player list.

We, the cult, knew Blackberry was town

(I tried to recruit him last night, not that it matters),

via oversoul

, and thus confirmed town is him, vezok, and muffin man.

I'm not 100% sure what this means (Cop Investigation, Tracking), but I'm pretty sure it means OS used a JOAT on me and knew I was town. Either via investigating/tracking me N1 and getting his result N2, or by somehow the mod let him investigate me N3, get his result, and THEN recruit (although IMO this seems almost-impossible unless mods do Cult a funny way).

Ludi is saying that, VIA OVERSOUL, they knew I was town. I.e., they did something at some point and knew I was town.

(Oh! Sudden thought. Since he had a Day Kill, perhaps he had a Day Cop investigation on me...)

[Blackberry]

As I said, a Day Cop works. If he has a Day Kill, a Day Cop also makes sense.

@Muffin

, how do you interpret that statement then if he didn't use some sort of JoAT on me to confirm I'm town?

He said I am CONFIRMED town, and thus VEZOK and MUFFIN are as well. He didn't say he "THINKS" I'm town, they said I am confirmed town, VIA OVERSOUL. Indicating something was used on me to confirm me town.

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I disagree that OS blocked Toasty. I don't think a Roleblocker would be able to block a Jailkeeper. I think OS only said that to attempt to get Toasty lynched.

[Blackberry]

I just don't want you to be an idiot and vig me or something.

[Blackberry]

I'm counting on one of the following to happen tonight in order for me not to die:

* Your suspect of me is enough for them to want to keep me alive and WIFOM you all that I've survived two nights
* They'll see you WL's as more of a threat to them
* A roleblock/delay will prevent a kill
* Toasty jailkeeps me
* Nikanor/hiplop have a protection ability and save me

=D

[Blackberry]

Oversouls original role must have been doctor :-O

[Blackberry]

That's not what Ludi said, Ludi said he could choose someone to be his Cult JOAT. Let me go find it... (Also: All other cult lose their original role, i.e., that guess does not make sense XD).

[Blackberry]

Anyways. I got a pregame recruit,

who would become my Jack of all trades

. I picked Oversoul. He dies with me. Not a good gambit buddy!

I don't know why we're talking about this it's not that improtant, but... =D

[Blackberry]

Toasty - there is either two explanations to the Vanillalizing:

It belongs to Nikanor-scum, and hence his refusal to claim. He was blocked Night 1 & delayed Night 3.

Someone (you tell me who) had the ability to vanillialize 3 people. (although, Mr. S claimed a role where he could target 3 people... perhaps mafia have a similar role with vanilliaizing... but neither explains the choices of Mera being vanillized and Kast being vanillized unless Mera hinted something somewhere that mafia caught (<)_(>)

[Blackberry]

Also, you realize we're blocking three people.

Theoretically, we want to reveal who we're blocking.

Concern #1: If mafia try to kill someone it will be revealed who it ISN'T (or that a roleblocker/delayer is lying).
Concern #2: If mafia were smart they'll just No Kill anyways ^_^

Bwhahahahaha.

PS, I want to Caveat everyone, based on all the flavor, I would personally find it impossible for there NOT be a Godfather/Investigation-Immune mafia member (the yellow leader?). Just saying...

[Blackberry]

Andrius, that is ALL you have to say when people are ready to kill you?

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Nikanor hasn't responded to his prod, so I will be lookking for a replacement now. If anyone knows someone who would be willing to replace into 131 pages long game, that would be greatly appreciated.

TOO BAD IM ALREADY IN THE GAME, EH?

Hey guys, I'm claiming scum.

[Blackberry]

Andrius, if you were town I'd think you'd at least post a list of who your suspects are and try to convince us to vote one of them or look at them when we die.

Vote: Andrius

I wanted to be the hammer but I'll let someone else do it XD.

Andrius obviously doesn't want to give us anything to help find his scum buddies