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Hi, everyone! I've PM'd the mod to tell me who the scum are. The real reason we haven't started isn't because of the lack of confirms, but rather, the mod pondering whether to answer or not!
(But, hey, just for the sake of it,/confirm.)My academy.
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I might've if I got a cult PM (always wanted to be a cult leader, quite frankly, under that name--the irony would be super-amusing ), but sadly, I have not.mastin, can you talk in txtspeek for this game please? For old times sake. C:My academy.
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It's kinda sad how long it took me to get the humor in Sub's 22. (And in their signature.)My academy.
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*cracks wrists*
(...Those of you who know me are bracing themselves right now. They know what happens on game start for me.)My academy.
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Alright. So the mod compromised with me. The mod decided to send me the alignment of all the players who posted before the mod came in on page two. That means I got information like this:
TOWN:
FrozenMirror
hiplop
Sobliminal
Weyouns
Vezok
Nik
CULT LEADER:
Ooba
SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
Additionally, the mod confirmed that there is an Enabler in the game when I asked.
VOTE: Andrius. Make it happen.My academy.
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Additionally, I think we should do a Choice Claim.My academy.
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That is, claim the order of our three choices.My academy.
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Oh, and while the mod didn't hand me this information, he accidentally revealed by all of the above, that LLD and Togeloo are both town.
(And I'm beginning to suspect he 'lied' about Nik and that Nik's really a godfather, but meh, subject for another day.
Also, less positive on LLD--it was more vaguely hinted at than Togeloo.)My academy.
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Sorry, no Kondi lynch for you.
Kondi was among those that posted before the mod came in on page two, so I happen to know Kondi is town.My academy.
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And while I'm in a post-heavy mood:
Claim: Y of the team X and Y.
I'm wagering that X is in the game, and if X is in the game and the wording in their PM was similar to the wording in my PM, then they should know who I am. Furthermore, I've concluded that we're both confirmed town.My academy.
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Yup. Looks like the mod's info is reliable. Ooba is the very threat he's describing, the cult we need to eliminate.My academy.
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We have two lynches in a day. I figure the first should be a scum lynch (Andy), and the second can be a cult lynch (ooba).My academy.
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Also, disappointed nobody's paying attention to the rest of what I've said.
IMPORTANT THINGS MASTIN HAS SAID:
-A list of names and alignments from the mod.
-Further deductions from this info.
-Some personal deductions. (Oversoul is town, for instance.)
-My request for a choice claim.
-My semi-name-claim.My academy.
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Then there's no harm in a choice-claim, now, is there?
(Also, I'd kinda prefer it if X said, "I'm X", since they'd be confirmed town if they did.)My academy.
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Oh, right. Missed all of this except the first line.Mr Subliminal wrote:Also willing toNikanor is butthurtlynch kondi.
mastin, why don't youI'm mod-confirmed townstart the claims?
And why notmastin is trutherykill ooba first?
Guy I replaced's (don't remeber their name right now) choices were
Non-lantern
Colored
Black/White
In that order.My academy.
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Those two were separated by a double-line-break. Enter-enter. That means they were separate thoughts.Andy wrote:So why are you voting me if I'm the Enabler?
Because that's what I got- you said there's an enabler and then vote me, and then said "make it happen".
The Andy vote refers to the list I mentioned earlier in the post, where you're scum and so is Candle.My academy.
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If Andrius was town, this'd be his vote. Rather than an FoS.Andy wrote:ooba now RVS votes via dice? LOLWUT
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I want your choices, I want you to nameclaim, and I want a vote from you.inHimshallibe wrote:I've never done this before, but it's right.
Claiming Miller
All in your next post.My academy.
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Theoretically?
...Maybe.
In practice?
Probably not.My academy.
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(Can someone fill me in on who Guy Gardner is? No knowledge of source material guy, here. In it because I was asked and we needed the players at the time, not because I'm a comics guy.)My academy.
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Subliminal, he claimed miller. We need to know the name of his role to determine the feasability of it.My academy.
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Helpful hint for you all.Ooba wrote:1) White\BlacklanternMy academy.
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And if inHim's claim is to be believed (I certainly do), looks like the Red Lanterns are--indeed--our mafia.My academy.
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So, who here disagrees with one of ooba or Andy being lynched for the first half of today?
...Mind explaining WHY?!? (Definitely not seeing it. Seeing cult/mafia there.)My academy.
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^Maybe because of that?Wikipedia wrote:who turned him into a jingoistic parody of an ultra-macho "red-bloodedAmerican male". This remains the character's archetype to this date.
...Or that.Team affiliations Green Lantern Corps
Justice League
Red Lantern Corps
And this...is...questionable. Though with thisGuy Gardner as a Red Lantern during Blackest Night event.
It looks more likely.Now powered by both of his green and red power rings, Guy seeks vengeance against the Black Lanterns and is able to destroy them on sight effortlessly with his combined weapons
I can see it, now.- primarily aided by Guy wielding the two emotionally-strongest rings at once, accessing their powers by using his love of the Corps and his hatred at being so angryMy academy.
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Yup. Candle is scum, just like I said.
(Oh, and I can't believe it took me that long to realize who was talking in Candle. I was thinking, "...who would be in that game and remember VI-me?" I kinda forgot Tar was in that game. )My academy.
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I knew Candle was a hydra, just forgot of who.Just to make sure, do you know who all the hydras are mastin?
I know you're a hydra.
A deal was made about Frozen being a hydra.
That's 'bout it. Don't really pay attention to who hydras are. It's something you tend to figure out on your own eventually, anyway.My academy.
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So, lynch Andrius, first half of day one.
Lynch ooba, second half of day one.
Yay, people actually following what I say!My academy.
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...And allow the cult to grow?!?
No, thank you.My academy.
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The wording from the mod on Toast was one of the most ambiguous ones I got the alignment of. Certain key phrases sounded like town, others looked like confirmed scum. When I decrypt the mod's message, I'll get back to you.My academy.
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Of course you do, Andy's name is in your PM!Candle wrote:I have rolebased that says you need to elaborate and/or nameclaim in your next post.
Unvote, Vote: Andrius
(Refer to my previous posts.)
I'm not understanding the vezok wagon.My academy.
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Can anyone tell me how this is NOT a cult-claim?ooba wrote:Let's get one thing straight
- Black lantern(s) are mod-confirmed to be cult (Dueling cults is fun to speculate on but barring new info, I'll just assume it's one cult)
- Really shouldn't matter who the scum team is right now
- "Lynch scum for the first lynch; lynch cult for second lynch" is funny. Cult's obviously the growing threat and trust me - we are going to have a hard time lynching CR even if two lynches are spent on the cause.
Also, finally, Andrius is not cult - so your votes are better used elsewhere.
I'll whittle down the rest of the list for possible CRs and come up with a lynch list - expect a post on this in 2 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes
How many games have we been in together, Oversoul? Including Marathon Games, quite a lot. That didn't give you any hints?Oversoul wrote:I don't like Mastin's immediate assumptions on everything.
I get the distinct impression the vezok wagon is made of fail. There should be at least one scum here. (Maybe or maybe not including cult as scum.)The Mod wrote:vezokpiraka (4) - ooba, hiplop, nopointinactingup, Apokalyptika
Toogeloo (2) - Nikanor, Lady Lambdadelta
ToastyToast (1) - Andrius
Additionally, for all the talk about Toogeloo and ToastyToast being scum, we've got between them a grand total of...three votes.
...Yeah. That looks like pure scum-driven suspicion.My academy.
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Oh, and by the way, the mod apparently forgot to send me nopoint's alignment, having had nopoint slip through the cracks.
This mistake has been remedied, naturally, by the mod telling me nopoint is also scum, along with Andy and Candle.My academy.
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TOWN:
inHim
FrozenMirror
hiplop
Subliminal
Weyouns
Vezok
Nik
LLD
Togeloo
Apokalyptika
Tan
CULT LEADER:
Ooba
SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
nopoint
STILL DECYPHERING: ToastyToast. (The mod's wording there was rather tricky.)
That's 17/24 reads I've got down. I'll see about filling in the gaps soon enough. Assume that in the remaining 7 names, there's ~3 scum.
- Kast
- marco1610
- GhostWriter
- Bogre Friend
- zMuffinMan
- kondi2424
- Oversoul
Initial impression, Muffin and Oversoul prob-town. That'd narrow it down to 5 names containing 3 scum. But I'll look into this later. We take care of Andy and ooba today, Candle and nopoint tomorrow.My academy.
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Working from my hunches (it's really a shame Khan's gone--no offense to Oversoul, but I really wanted to play a game with Khan as town, and Oversoul's pretty conclusively proven to me that, well, Khan's slot is town) and remembering the mod sent me kondi's alignment as town, let's deduce things further:
- Kast
- marco1610
- GhostWriter
- Bogre Friend
Three of these names are scum. Leaning Kast for one of them. Kinda thinking Bogre/Friend is another, but far from positive. Leaves marco/Ghost as the third. And they both have about the same level of contribution, so not sure which of them it'd be.My academy.
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So, let's make it official:
TOWN:
inHim
FrozenMirror
hiplop
Subliminal
Weyouns
Vezok
Nik
LLD
Togeloo
Apokalyptika
Tan
Kondi
Oversoul
Muffin
(ToastyToast?)
CULT LEADER:
Ooba
SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
nopoint
Kast
Bogre/Friend
(ToastyToast?*)
marco/Ghost*
STILL DECYPHERING: ToastyToast.
*If ToastyToast is scum, these names are both town. If ToastyToast is town, then one of marco/Ghost is scum, but the other's town. Essentially, those three names contain one scum, no more and no less.My academy.
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Ooba
Andrius
Candle
nopoint
Kast
Bogre(Friend)
ToastyToast/marco/Ghost*
Our lynches today should be among these names.
If anyone disagrees, they better make a DANG strong argument.My academy.
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KILL IT. KILL IT WITHFriend wrote:My choices were apparently:
1. White/Black
2. Don't careFIREGREEN MIGHT!
For the record, Friend was originally on the list by process of elimination.
Then he started posting, and I realized it no longer was just POE.My academy.
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:scumposting:Friend wrote:Mastin, you're town, but I think your reads are pretty far off this game.My academy.
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:scumposting:No Friend Of Mine wrote:I'm not scum, and you pushing it is getting increasingly anti-town.
General VCA. One scum on the Togeloo mislynch. Since people believe ooba to be cult, I can totally see two scum on ooba rather than just one. But there is at least one. The Andrius wagon is all-town. Ooba (cult) technically takes care of the scum on Vezok. There's also one scum in the (1) voters--Andrius. Which leads me to the Toasty-is-Town conclusion.The Mod wrote:Toogeloo (4) - Nikanor, Lady Lambdadelta, zMuffinMan,Friend
ooba (4) - WeyounsLastClone,Candle Jack, nopointinactingup, Toogeloo
Andrius (3) - mastin2, Mr. Subliminal, inHimshallibe
vezokpiraka (3) - ooba, hiplop, Apokalyptika
ToastyToast (1) -Andrius
nopointinactingup (1)- ToastyToast
Candle Jack (1) - tanstalas
Not Voting (7) - FozenMirror,Kast, marco1610, Ghostwriter, vezokpiraka, kondi2424, Oversoul
That leaves 2-3 scum in the leftovers, being the "not voting" section. Kast is one of them. marco/Ghost is the other.My academy.
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I still say Friend is scum, even if he's not Mafia.
(Play. Rings. So. Many. Scumtells. His. Posts. Keep. Saying. To. Me. Scum.)My academy.
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Mind finishing this sentence?but the fallout from it has produced a lot of nice content and has people
(Hint: he's scum. Now confirmed. Especially with Friend apparently as town. There should be zero doubt that Ghost is scum.)My academy.
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The 3/4 PMs which have gone out and their content will apparently remain anonymous. It's not hard to guess why.My academy.
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1: And I see classic OMGUS. 2: You're speaking, Tar, instead of your other head, and I have a fair guess as to why. But still. 3: If you bothered to do your homework, you'd realize that I do this in all of my games. I've been in every New York game, as well as Powerrox's Mini and Mini 1180. (Plus Newbie 1048.) In pretty much all of them, I forced an "X or Y" on others. "Ald or nobody", "zdenek or me", you get the idea. It's my style. Has been since I came back. Your failure to realize this, makes you scum.
4: It's not only that you're using meta wrong--it's that you're using meta at all, really, instead of paying attention to in-thread reasoning. To quote the guy who invited me to this game,
"Meta is how you lynch town. Scumhunting is how you lynch scum. The two have nothing in common."*
(*Not quite, but close enough. Meta is a valuable tool, but it is just that--a tool. Using it as a foundation of a case against someone is just asking to be called scum. I've got a ramble on the subject of meta, but it's best left for MD. I do not like MDiscussion inside a game.)
5: You're voting ooba, who's on that list. Yet you're arguing that my list is wrong, because you don't think I'm town. The two mix extremely poorly.My academy.
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Interactions are a wonderful thing, Nik.
That's how.
(I catch more scum based off of Interactions than all of my other four scumhunting tools combined. Since Interactions are the overall picture, whereas the other four are individual scumminess.)My academy.
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Enjoying the red ring you have?Kast wrote:I got Colored Lantern.
Who said anything about random/joking?Also, it seems Mastin is mixing reads with random/joke/fake mod-confirms, but I'm having trouble reconciling this with him ID'ing Ooba as Cult prior to Ooba posting anything indicative of that.
I'm in constant communication with the mod!My academy.
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Leeeeeeet me guess...Candle wrote: I forgot something very important (thank you Ludi for reminding me).
Tar:I think I've got a good enough case to push for a mislynch on Mastin.
Ludi:WHAT ARE YOU, INSANE?!? PUSHING A CASE AGAINST HIM IS ABAD IDEA! You'll only end up encouraging him into thinking we're scum!
Tar:But he'll self-destruct, won't he?
Ludi:HE DOESN'T DO THAT ANYMORE!!!
Tar:Oh. Errrm...*thinks quickly*
And then you posted.
I've gotten a town PM so many times (abnormally high, in fact--too. many. quicktopics. open*!) and I've been far above standard accuracy consistently, for long enough where I might as well have an open communication to the mod where they tell me pieces of the setup.Tar wrote:I've seen play from you SIMILAR to what you're doing here, but this continued "must lynch within this set of players" and joking references to mod questions (unless dana pulled a "let's imitate Tar roles") is very unusual.
It's a running gag, taken to the next level here.
*I keep my game notes in private QTs I release when I'm either dead or the game is over. Got the idea from hydra'ing, combined with using a Quicktopic to great effect as the last remaining scum member in Werewolf Island. (It's amazing. Most of my signature town moves are ideas I got while I was scum. )
You're remembering wrong. I've played in exactly one game with you, Tar. Where I was the lyncher. And you've modded for me only once before. When you gave me that awesome post restriction which helped improve my play when I came back and remembered it. That's it. Two games.Hell, you should know this mastin, you played in games with me enough back before my site break
Unvote, Vote: Togeloo.My academy.
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Oh, and by the way. I did some reading on my character. It's one of those annoying superheroes who has multiple incarnations. Since I failed to realize my character's real name was in my PM, I had to track down which version was the one I remembered being pictured. (In the process while looking at a gallery, I ended up seeing the exact picture in my role PM, too.)
Remember this?mastin2 wrote:And while I'm in a post-heavy mood:
Claim: Y of the team X and Y.
I'm wagering that X is in the game, and if X is in the game and the wording in their PM was similar to the wording in my PM, then they should know who I am. Furthermore, I've concluded that we're both confirmed town.
I was ~90% sure of X being in the game when I said that, due to wording in my PM. With the revelation that Lex Luthor's PM mentions Larfleeze, and Larfleeze's PM mentions Lex Luthor, I came to the conclusion the two were intentionally linked. And that therefore, something similar would be happenning for X and me, Y.
So, now I'm 100% confident X is in this game. And having done my research, there WAS something which initially made me doubt it. (An event in Blackest Night.) But then I researched further, and knowing that this is Brightest Day, I've concluded that X is, indeed, quite town.
(I wish X would tell me that they were X, though.)
I also understand why I got my ability, and how it makes perfect sense.My academy.
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For the record--{nopoint, Candle}. I could be wrong about one (I sincerely doubt that), but no way are both of them town for the Apok votes.
You got that backwards. I claimed Y of X and Y, not X of X and Y. The order is important.Kast wrote:@Mastin-
Your softclaim as X of X and Y STRONGLY suggests who you and Y are AND STRONGLY suggests that Y is a role that probably does not want to reveal herself. But it looks much more like a town-town pair than the Oranges.
VOTE: Kast. I'm a rebel.My academy.
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In my defense, Kast. I claimed Y of X and Y before I knew anything of the flavor. I had no clue how strong that claim was until I looked it up.
But still. I really am wondering why X hasn't claimed to be X. X should be in this game.
Friend:Mastin wrote:VOTE: Kast.I'm a rebel.My academy.
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SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
nopoint
Kast
marco/Ghost
Five scum left. Obviously was wrong on Togeloo (THE MOD MISLEAD ME! D:), but doesn't mean I'm completely wrong on all of these reads. Maybe not all of them, but at least half of 'em are scum.
And for some reason, just not feelin' an Ooba lynch. Ooba seems like he's flailing, but something (call it gut, call it instinct) stops me from wanting him dead.My academy.
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I'm aware.Subliminal wrote:Mastin... against ooba lynch... does not compute.
Seriously.
You started this ooba business.
Just doesn't seem to click for me anymore.
Maybe it's the fact that all of my scumreads have jumped on ooba, I dunno. Maybe despite ooba's flailing he made a point which somehow hit me and stuck. I dunno. I just don't feel the ooba lynch, anymore.
I realize I should.
I realize that ooba should be obv-anti-town.
I realize I should be the strongest advocate of an ooba lynch.
I just don't feel it. I wish I could give an explanation. It's just that the ooba flame in me has died. The passion for lynching ooba is gone. I really don't know why. It just is.My academy.
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Out of curiosity, which of my reads are the ones you agree with? I mean, I'm good, but I'm not *that* good. (As in, you'd never agree to *all* of my reads, so there has to be at least *some* you disagree with.)in the meantime mastin2 can do all the work since he's doing a fine job.My academy.
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What are you getting at, Andrius?My academy.
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Andrius: you ninja'd me.
Still, though. It'd probably be like last game. (I looked it up, and did an ISO of the mod.) Scum can be recruited, but can't talk in the cult QT.My academy.
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Simple solution, then: lynch the people who struck you as pro-town in their behavior who don't have rolebased reasons to be town.Apok wrote:Except that most of the people who struck me as antitown in their behavior seem to have rolebased reasons to be town.
(Semi-serious. I want you to list who you think reacted in an anti-town manner, and I DEFINITELY want to know who you think reacted in a pro-town way.)
This guy knows his stuff. Kast, Candle, nopoint, all scum. (I *want* Andy to be scum, too. But if I'm wrong about any of my scumreads, his is the most likely to be wrong. Call it wishful thinking? ) Ghost, still prob-scum.My academy.
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SCUM:
Andrius
Candle
nopoint
Kast
marco/Ghost
Like I said. nopoint is obv-scum. I'm definitely not wrong there. I want to hear more people's thoughts on the rest of my five, here.My academy.
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Why does this read to me as, "OH, CRUD, THE CULT RECRUITED ME!"? >_<Oversoul wrote:No, but having the cult fuck up my reads and recruit someone without me knowing makes me tentative.
(And that'd be bothersome if the cult could recruit once a day.)
Oversoul is still an overall town-read, just for the record. It's just...well...My academy.
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This game? Oversoul is newbtown.My academy.
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SCUM:
Andrius (Hopefully.)
Candle (APPARENTLY NOT THROUGH SOMEONE ELSE'S [too lazy to check who said it] SUPER SECRET WHICH WE SHOULD TRUST**)
nopoint (APPARENTLY NOT THROUGH FRIEND'S SUPER SECRET WHICH WE SHOULD TRUST*)
Kast
marco/Ghost
(*Hint, hint, Friend. If it were just me, maybe. But multiple people feel nopoint is scum. You're gonna have to explain to us why nopoint wouldn't be.)
(**Am I the only one seeing Candle scum? I can't be the only one seeing Candle as scum.)
This seems accurate enough.My academy.
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