House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Yume

150 post per day is going to be rough for me

I have multiposting syndrome

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

u trying to start a fight page 1. this is how ur gonna start a fight page 1 lol

Right now we're not voting for a player to eliminate them.

We're voting for an, ideally town, player, a town player that essentially gets a free vig shot, potential chance at a bulletproof, and gets to select a counsel which presumably does town things.

If LLD is town, she is the best player for all three of those overall.

OH I thought it would be a separate kind of vote, never mind then UNVOTE:

do we HAVE to pick the king today then?

ugh I was thinking it would be better later

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

[JunkoChan]

I'm okay with Dann LLD and Datisi

But prefer Lambda because wey anime characters stand together

Rhaenyra never gets king, f that.

Firebringer never gets king, f that.

Enchant never gets king fffff that.

[JunkoChan]

I would like to be Queen but I don't think I can compete with such a stacked PL

[JunkoChan]

Why, you wound me.

Too emotional, too Boring, too selfcentered, too inactive, too unreliable

You pick

[JunkoChan]

Why, you wound me.

Too emotional, too Boring, too selfcentered, too inactive, too unreliable

You pick

[JunkoChan]

Why, you wound me.

Too emotional, too Boring, too selfcentered, too inactive, too unreliable

You pick

You speak as if being emotional is wrong. Emotions are part of who we are. Or are you saying you don't have any?

I said too emotional, not emotional.

I find it funny how people want to get voted for king despite this being game of thrones

But prefer Lambda because wey anime characters stand together

Lambda isn't even an anime character, it's from a video game.

I'm reverting back to my og avatar, but i accidentally deleted the modified version where i added one sword every time i got eliminated D1

Eh... She appears in umineko no naku koroni the animation

And same for junko games and anime

Are you insulting my anime knowledge?

Cuz I'll fight you for the weebnation

[JunkoChan]

Why, you wound me.

Too emotional, too Boring, too selfcentered, too inactive, too unreliable

You pick

You speak as if being emotional is wrong. Emotions are part of who we are. Or are you saying you don't have any?

I said too emotional, not emotional.

Well, maybe try not making stupid choices. They trigger me.

Oh I promise I will

[JunkoChan]

Everything about these posts scream like nervous/unsure mafia here. Like, the progression of these posts...

VOTE: Yume

150 post per day is going to be rough for me

I have multiposting syndrome

^"oh haha I didn't realize post cap... this is how I break the ice" idk about yall, but like when signing up it was super obvious to me? plus 150 isn't even bad...

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

u trying to start a fight page 1. this is how ur gonna start a fight page 1 lol

Right now we're not voting for a player to eliminate them.

We're voting for an, ideally town, player, a town player that essentially gets a free vig shot, potential chance at a bulletproof, and gets to select a counsel which presumably does town things.

If LLD is town, she is the best player for all three of those overall.

OH I thought it would be a separate kind of vote, never mind then UNVOTE:

do we HAVE to pick the king today then?

ugh I was thinking it would be better later

^ This one is jst ehh, it was others that caught my eye, but looking at the ISO, this joins the club, it reminds me of when I'm mafia, and I just play the "oh hahaha mech talk yes!" like what kind of question is "do we have to pick king" the post about king literally says we have 7 days to pick a king... this entire game's flovor is based around a king... no way you sat there and actually thought "I wonder if we need a king"

I'm okay with Dann LLD and Datisi

But prefer Lambda because wey anime characters stand together

Rhaenyra never gets king, f that.

Firebringer never gets king, f that.

Enchant never gets king fffff that.

^ Ehhh this feels like an attempt to look towny, like, you just took the people who posted and went "yes/no they can be king" like, the game literally just started, and I don't have strong towny thoughts on anyone thus far, literally only got scummy vibes from you, but I don't like this talk of like "oh ahaha yeah due to play style we're excluding X Y and Z from being king" so like unless you have a valid reason someone shouldn't be king? why not focus on who should be? "I'm ok with Damn LLD and Datisi" ok, 3 not super easy people to ready, but yes strong players.. you just wanna throw our first powerful role their way? make them earn it.

I would like to be Queen but I don't think I can compete with such a stacked PL

^ And it all leads to this... "Hey let's make me king" but you want to play the card of "I can't be king cause stacked PL"
You literally started the game going "150 posts will be hard for me" and proceeded to just post for the sake of posting, I haven't seen a post from you that shows "I WANT TO BE, AND I WILL BE A GOOD KING" like, why not let your actions speak for themself?



Idk, I thought I'd point this out, but after the "oh I can't compete with this PL" I was like, something feels off... I went to the ISO, and yeah Junko really feels like a mafia who doesn't know what to do here, and I mean think about it, mafia is in a chat with 5 of them, now they have to pretend to not know each other? yeah, Junko reads a lot like I feel like I would as scum here.

TLDR: Junko is very likely mafia. and now there's 4 to go. - also I'm not making Junko King.

Omgus

[JunkoChan]

@Andante could you point me to where it says we have 7 days yo pick a king?

[JunkoChan]

The Great Council

King Jaehaerys I has passed away unexpectedly in his sleep. The line of succession is unclear - as great lords and ladies, you have been summoned to Kings Landing to restore order to the Realm....

The Iron Throne can not stay empty for long, you have seven days to select the next King of Westeros.

Game Conditions:

Vote for the player you wish to crown King. With twenty one players alive, eleven votes will select a monarch - plurality rules will apply at the deadline.


The King shall have the following abilities;

King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men

You may execute a player during the day - this will end the day and replace the normal voting mechanism - this ability can not be used on consecutive days.

Lord of the Seven Kingdoms

You must select players to join your small council which will aid you in ruling the realm. Players may not refuse appointments to the small council.

Protector of the Realm

All abilities except for killing abilities will not work on you. Killing abilities will not work on you if the Kingsguard are loyal to you.

Cuz You know, i cannot find it

[JunkoChan]

Yeah yeah,I read the post, and I can't find the seven days thing

Did someone ask this is the scum pt and you forgot?

[JunkoChan]

I think we got a candidate for first execution

[JunkoChan]

Ah it does Say seven nvm

[JunkoChan]

Yeah yeah,I read the post, and I can't find the seven days thing

Did someone ask this is the scum pt and you forgot?

I think we got a candidate for first execution

Ah it does Say seven nvm

This looks like a fake progression to me.

For the record, this is me actually being silly and blind after actually missing the 7 days thing after reading pooky's post like 5 times

[JunkoChan]

It reads as fake progression to you? so put yourself in those shoes. If I made a wallpost going "UNOWEN MAF" and you never saw the seven day thing, saw me saying 7, went "oh! slip from scum chat!!" Cause to me that progression reads more like a town falsely being accused of maf... not that I fully trust Junko right now but that's just my thoughts on this.

Since those posts were in response to you highlighting the exact part of the quote that talked about seven days, then yes I think it was fake that Junko still wouldn't have noticed and instead thought you had slipped. Don't you?

You do realize I replied, and quoted the sentence with SEVEN... I bolded it... you don't think Junko read my post? I'm confused where this is going

No Junko did read your post and pretended not to see that you had quoted the sentence with SEVEN in it. That's the point.

I somehow also missed his quote

to be honest I feel like I walked into class with my pijamas

[JunkoChan]

now I get the feeling that Andante is town cuz I can see where they are coming from, and UNO could be mafia spotting LHF?

[JunkoChan]

andante, have you considered that it's sunday afternoon when i have a lot of free time and i'd be posting regardless of my role?

and for this exact same reason maybe some people aren't as active(?)

@Andante I feel like activity is way too variable to freak out about it right now

It's an easy rabbit hole to fall into, believe me I've done it, you will see me asking for the heads of lurkers and low posters more often than not

right now I'm feeling Dann and Datisi are okay

I don't know much about Datisi but this feels like early game town down so far

[JunkoChan]

andante, have you considered that it's sunday afternoon when i have a lot of free time and i'd be posting regardless of my role?

and for this exact same reason maybe some people aren't as active(?)

@Andante I feel like activity is way too variable to freak out about it right now

It's an easy rabbit hole to fall into, believe me I've done it, you will see me asking for the heads of lurkers and low posters more often than not

right now I'm feeling Dann and Datisi are okay

I don't know much about Datisi but this feels like early game town down so far

town dann so far*

[JunkoChan]

right now I'm feeling Dann and Datisi are okay

What about dann specifically gives you good vibes?

1. I feel like scum!dann wouldn't defend me

2. he posted some things I was thinking myself, to be precise 70 71

Even when I was completly wrong I felt at the moment that Andante's post sounded wolfy

3. just generaly chill tone, dann doesn't like playing as scum as far as I know

I'm not saying he is 100% town, but I'm inlcined to believe it

pedit ok Firebringer is town and actually playing? poggers

[JunkoChan]

right now I'm feeling Dann and Datisi are okay

What about dann specifically gives you good vibes?

1. I feel like scum!dann wouldn't defend me

2. he posted some things I was thinking myself, to be precise 70 71

Even when I was completly wrong I felt at the moment that Andante's post sounded wolfy

3. just generaly chill tone, dann doesn't like playing as scum as far as I know

I'm not saying he is 100% town, but I'm inlcined to believe it

pedit ok Firebringer is town and actually playing? poggers

You sure Dann defended you? like have you seen this guy's ISO? there's no words really, so I'm not really sure why you LOVED him going "andante posted 2 bad posts"

"he doesn't like playing scum"
WHAT PART OF THIS GAME THUS FAR HAS SHOWN YOU DANN LIKES PLAYING THIS GAME???

I'm so confused at how you have conclusively arrived at "Dann is town"

maybe "defend" is too strong of a word, but i took it that way

weird that you who seem to jump to conclusions pretty fast cannot believe that I have vibe read on dann

[JunkoChan]

I agree with andante. Idg the dann townread.

so you both sscumread dann then?

[JunkoChan]

I would like to take back my "Junko probably town" and since I have declared Datisi town, that means the 4 I don't trust are Dann/GL/Junko/UNO

This is kinda just really feeling like Junko justifying a TR on a partner, or Junko KNOWS Dann is town so "yeah he's obviously town" like, if you're going off like actual reads... you'd almost definitely have something to say about UNO.. but you chose to ignore UNO, is that cause he's your partner and you don't want the attention there? and UNO was going so hard on the SEVEN thing cause he's your partner who genuinely believed you were caught....

Junko, what are your thoughts on UNO this game?

yeah, I totally "ignored" UNO 89

[JunkoChan]

he is literally the only other person I've called prob!scum

[JunkoChan]

hey at least I'm putting my reads in the air

even if you may think they are bad there they are

[JunkoChan]

@Dannfloor I have to admit I stalked your recent games but I haven't found any of your scum games to read and we haven't been mafia together I don't think

my scum!"read" of you is pretty basic, like I think we would do this if he was, based only in what I know of your town play, nothing from you so far tilts me the other way

I'm not saying you can't perform as scum because I believe you can, I just had the feeling you didn't like it(?)

[JunkoChan]

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=78713

we were scum together in vengecop! I'm not crazy!!

hahahaha okay I'll re-read that one, I don't remember every game

[JunkoChan]

@dannfloor

It might be silly, dumb or weird to take your tone from that, but you said UwU.

[JunkoChan]

@dannfloor I replaced in 800 post into to that game and my slot was already doomed that's why I dont remember lol

[JunkoChan]

bold of you to assume UwU doesn't mean I hate myself

tru

[JunkoChan]

The successor should also be picked by popular vote. I mean we can clearly command the King to make logical choices and eliminate any King that goes rogue. Like I wouldn’t just leave every decision to them - that amount of concentrated power is usually a horrible thing in the hands of almost any Town.

Are you bad at math or intentionally dense?

Allow me to do the math for you.

21-> 16:5

15:5
14:5
14:4
13:4
12:4
11:4
11:3
10:3
9:3
8:3
8:2
7:2
6:2
5:2
5:1
4:1
3:1
2:1
2:0

That means, if every king came out and HARD CORE forced an execute, and obv scummed it up while doing it, we would end the game one elimination ahead of a loss, in ELO.

So all any king needs to do is obtain one successful miselimination, say on day 1, pick whoever the fuck they want as their replacement, execute day 2 and the chain begins for a town loss.

It's... possible some of the roles in this game that are obtainable might be able to mitigate this, but given we're seeing role powers be public... and the numbers are as they are, if a scum is king can't they just fill small council with their team to Prevent that?

Like... this game is on a much tighter leash than people realize, I think.

ma lady, king cannot execute 2 days in a row

[JunkoChan]

nvm I see what you mean

[JunkoChan]

UNVOTE:

got cold feet

[JunkoChan]

nvm I see what you mean

I am going to assume this means you understood the math that was processed (including nightkill math). I also understand the king may not execute twice in a row, but the math accounts for that, and even assumed we kill the bad king every chance we get.

If you need a more indepth explination I'll write it in word form but as it stands, I am assuming you pieced it together?

ya I got it, without something like a town vigilante hitting mafia or a doctor saving a target there's a tight space for mislim if the first king is mafia

[JunkoChan]

I have positive feelings for {GuiltyLion, Andante, JunkoChan} and to a lesser extent {VPB, Dannflor, Lukewarm}.

I wouldn’t have Datisi in my Small Council, or you LLD, or Enchant, and I don’t trust mastina just yet.

I think there’s enough AI content by a few other players I need to spend more time on. Like I feel like I should have a more fleshed out opinion on DW, firebringer, or Rhaenyra, but I don’t just yet.

Oh and I like the Professor - they can stay.

you should add firebringer to that

[JunkoChan]

I have positive feelings for {GuiltyLion, Andante, JunkoChan} and to a lesser extent {VPB, Dannflor, Lukewarm}.

I wouldn’t have Datisi in my Small Council, or you LLD, or Enchant, and I don’t trust mastina just yet.

I think there’s enough AI content by a few other players I need to spend more time on. Like I feel like I should have a more fleshed out opinion on DW, firebringer, or Rhaenyra, but I don’t just yet.

Oh and I like the Professor - they can stay.

you should add firebringer to that

why did you have to do this, i felt so good about you why are you propping up the most unreadable player in the lobby (by design) as someone you are confident as town?

sorry ma lady I don't care if you tr or not

[JunkoChan]

no but that's a serious question

why are you so confident about a player who markets themselves as being chaotic and unreadable, Junko?

I actually dislike his gameplay a lot, we got heated up in a game once and I never forgot about it, but #150 felt like he actually recognized my town play and brought it up, I think scum!firebringer would just ignore that or jump on scumreading me

[JunkoChan]

no but that's a serious question

why are you so confident about a player who markets themselves as being chaotic and unreadable, Junko?

I actually dislike his gameplay a lot, we got heated up in a game once and I never forgot about it, but #150 felt like he actually recognized my town play and brought it up, I think scum!firebringer would just ignore that or jump on scumreading me

You don't consider yourself a player who responds positively to alliance building from other players?

... let me ask that differently.

You don't consider yourself a player who has a blindspot from being alliance pitched by other players?

No I'm not, because I can 360 no scope turn around at any point without hesitation at signs of scummy behavior

in short I'm not pocketable

[JunkoChan]

no but that's a serious question

why are you so confident about a player who markets themselves as being chaotic and unreadable, Junko?

I actually dislike his gameplay a lot, we got heated up in a game once and I never forgot about it, but #150 felt like he actually recognized my town play and brought it up, I think scum!firebringer would just ignore that or jump on scumreading me

You don't consider yourself a player who responds positively to alliance building from other players?

... let me ask that differently.

You don't consider yourself a player who has a blindspot from being alliance pitched by other players?

No I'm not, because I can 360 no scope turn around at any point without hesitation at signs of scummy behavior

in short I'm not pocketable

What do you think your lifespan in this game is, at this point?

Additionally, does it matter if you're not pocketable on day 2 if day 1 is this important?

If I don't die day 1 I'll probably be around for a few days, that's how it usually goes in my town games

[JunkoChan]

Do you think small council positions are reselected by each new king, or mostly retained until death?

wait... *re-reading 190* I read that as the council is permanent..(?)

but it lead me to another question, so the council members are the only ones that can be king right? so there's a limited amount of times a new king can be selected right?

also

it's not clear if it's possible to have more than 1 heir (in the case that the first one dies)

[JunkoChan]

@pooky is the council permanent or the members can change?

[JunkoChan]

Pooky answered that we don't have this information yet so.. I can't work with those assumptions

I can believe that pooky has a balanced setup and that we won't lose right away if we misspick the king

[JunkoChan]

Pooky answered that we don't have this information yet so.. I can't work with those assumptions

I can believe that pooky has a balanced setup and that we won't lose right away if we misspick the king

Again, if a scum stacks their own small council and convinces us, even for 1 day, it's fine and we vote someone wrongly, if the powers don't change hands... we lose.

So there would need to be a... large escape hatch to avoid this.

it all comes down to doing an educated guess and praying you are right

so nothing changes

I view this game as a coalition with extra steps

[JunkoChan]

who is shea?

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: TSQ

I'll keep my vote here if You promise me to execute Rhae

[JunkoChan]

Rhaenyra never gets king, f that.

Why, you wound me.

Too emotional, too Boring, too selfcentered, too inactive, too unreliable

You pick

Also remember when I said this? Haha fun times

[JunkoChan]

here is my small town:

Junko the Prinzessin der Verurteilung
Andante
TSQ
Firebringer
Lady Lambdadelta
Dannfloor

[JunkoChan]

are u sure ur not a targaryen

I'll give you hand position for your silence

[JunkoChan]

i don't want to be the hand. I want to be one stealing money from the crown for years and get away with it

deal

[JunkoChan]

Hey Guiltylion who's your top most likely town group?

[JunkoChan]

Never mind i found 589

Still sitting on it?

[JunkoChan]

Spoiler: im supposed to be quiet dont read junkochan

random ramblings before i fall asleep....

so i was thinking, no one scumreading me. Fuckin odd. This feels like my scum game where people just throw out reads on me for no reason as town and i jus go along with it. Bizzaro.

I should question them more, but the only one that pings me is bella. She townread me too fast in my gut says investigate. But I was just wrong on bella recently and will want to approach that slowly and probably in more slower fashion. Don't want to scare the penguin away.

Also one of my goals in this game was Shea paranoia on me. He has not given a read on me, probably not odd? I feel subtle buddying going on in a few posts and we agree too much. Could he be scum that wants us not to trust LLD and furthering any possible divide?

Actually thinking on it. LLD/Shea interactions feel weirder in hindsight. Like i feel LLD actually interacts with Shea like she knows he is town or something, and it feels the same to me. I don't feel she is sorting either of us. Maybe my intuition was right on LLD. Where is the sorting or does she not care to sort either of us? I would think she cares to sort Shea. Maybe I need to read into her posts with TSQ again.

Should I be worried on datisi? I don't think so. I am not sure the drive is as there as felt before in games, it feels subdued. life? Players? No idea. I am no sure what dats actually wants when i think about it and i feel like theres more direction when u look at Dats town game. The aimlessness more reaction in the moment style seems reminiciscent of scum keeping up but i feel thats too hasty. I will keep dats as town. At least the scum i could trust to be town.

Rhaenya is town. Nothing to discuss there
Andante is town. Nothing to discuss there.

Dannflor is gonna burn himself out.

Unowen is strange, and given his interactions and what posted. Would not be surprised about scum on that. I don't see point in a lot of there posts and could even see scum motivation in questions posing and what they are looking into as not scumhunting. think someone
else said this? Might be me agreeing with Shea again. Not again....
.
Andresvmb like reading his posts but disagree with him plenty. Seems like cool chap. No read on him though, inclined to throw him in the town until something pings me bucket.
Enchant is cool but wont get a read till years later
VP baltar is someoone i should have a read on but i feel trying to hard to linteract with Datisi that i would almost accuse of it being a shield for better content. Not sure even scummy, could literally be poking a friend to get the best read but thats all i remember even though he posted more.
Lukewarm needs to do more if he wants maintain position as master of ships
GuiltyLion don't have strong feelings on this game! BUT CONGRATS ON GETTING MARRIED!

Titus is a player in this game.
Mastina was here for a second.

And even though the spoiler tag mentions junkochan, I have nothing right now to even say about Junkochan. Except don't check ur bank account because all ur money is still there

Wow i gave some gibberishing thoughts on [Almost] everyone. Now i must sleeppppp

I meant keep quiet about the targaryen thing

[JunkoChan]

Lukewarm can you put words to your LLD read beyond town vibes

what about her play here do you think is unlikely to come from scum!her?

Lots of little things. (this time with out quotes and post links )

---

Her outing the math for "If we get a scum!king, and we do 1 normal miselimination, then we could potentially mechanically lose this game on day 2 even if we kill a scum king every single day that the kind does not have his execute power"

No one was thinking or talking about that, and if scum!lld thinks that that is a valid wincon for her team, I doubt she brings it up and goes that hard into detail shooting that wincon down.

(although to be clear, I am sure pooky must have put something in this set up to not make that the case. My theory is that we only ever get a max of 2 kings. I asked if the prince would get to name a new prince after he took the throne, and pooky said we don't know)

---

I also don't think that scum!lld would be interested in the popcorn plan for king selection at all, but can see town!lld finding the information that could generate valuable. (and I have seen her, as town, propose popcorn style plans for the purpose of information before)

---

The way she reused to explain her town reads to you.

The way that is very much how town!lld thinks about how sharing town read logic helps the scum team, to the point that I predicted response and so I did not ask, was then surprised (and a little suspicious actually) when I saw her say something that insinuated she would explain if asked, and then went back to her being squarely inside my expectation when I saw her actually refuse was actually a kind of funny experience while catching up earler.

Scum!LLD could easily fake a town case on almost any player. And doing so would likely result in most players being more likely to town read her, and definitely more likely to get other people to listen to her suggestion for king. Doing so would almost certainly help her with her #scumgoals right now, but she didn't because her paranoia about sharing town reads

(I also don't expect LLD to do this to trick me in particular, because this expectation that I have developed about her town play came in part from me spectating a game that she was in, and I have not played in a game with her since then)

---

This is kind of a spin off from my last point, because they are kind of similar, but this is the more broad version. I also felt like she was doing this thing where she was being not very diplomatic at all to the point that I don't know that there are many people who would read her back and forth with Andres (for example) and end up more inclined to give her a PR if they made it to the kingship

you know I was under the wrong assumption that the council was the same thing as the kingsguard,

after initially having cold feet about Lady Lambdadelta because as scum!me I usually have this kind of theatrical epiphanies about game directions I decided to let her write a bit more and then she wrote A LOT... more and now that the kingsguard mechanic is out I feel like that would be a better position for town!Lady Lambdadelta

About Andres vs Lady Lambdadelta, it felt pretty TvT which helped me make my mind about her

I'm still ironicly not sold on Andres being Town tho

@Rhanyra your opinion is the worst opinion imaginable

[JunkoChan]

I am pretty sure I can make it so mastina does not get elected king in this game pretty easily.

And I am pretty sure I can negate any attempts you make to do so, by burying your posts with my own till no one pays attention to them. Don't try me. Leave your bias by the door, as it's not needed here.

I am pretty sure I can make it so mastina does not get elected king in this game pretty easily.

And I believe she does it as town. YOU were the one making the claim that it was town indicative of her. I was saying it was NAI and that I don't want a king who plays like that because its heinous.

So it's for personal reasons? You would rather throw away a potential win because of personal reasons?

*adds you to my do-not-support pile with Firebringer*

How is "I do not think this playstyle is good for a king" "personal reasons?"

I think I shall not engage with you further because I think you have nothing reasonable to say. Good night.

*sighs sadly* Another bean of 'I will ignore you because you do not see things my way' variety...

I feel like this is all bait but egh whatever

You know, I'm not the most skilled player ever, nor I'm the greatest memer of all time, but you are not being any of those by any stretch of the imagination

so people can't be biased but YOU can?

people can't troll but YOU can?

you want your voice to be heard, yet the only thing you have done this game is talk about mastina a player who will probably be replaced?

like dude, we have 20+ pages of content drop your mastina rampage or I and probably others will be ignoring you for the rest of the game

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Dannflor

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Dannflor

what caused you to move to me from tsq

he didn't promise me to execute Rhaenyra

would you?

[JunkoChan]

I kind of almost wonder if the sheer number of people calling adante obvious town does in fact mean she is just town and there are TMIers in the mix

pedit; I'm not gonna promise that

UNVOTE:

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[JunkoChan]

What's TMI?

[JunkoChan]

ah, that makes sense

[JunkoChan]

Lion would you consider executing Rhae?

[JunkoChan]

Lion would you consider executing Rhae?

I'm certainly open to the idea but I'm not at a place with all my reads where I'd commit to that.

why are you pushing to execute her specifically? and also, do you think she would be particularly hard to get eliminated the usual way?

Because she is annoying and hard to read, actually i do believe that if she is scum, it can under the radar for a while

[JunkoChan]

Lion would you consider executing Rhae?

I'm certainly open to the idea but I'm not at a place with all my reads where I'd commit to that.

why are you pushing to execute her specifically? and also, do you think she would be particularly hard to get eliminated the usual way?

Because she is annoying and hard to read, actually i do believe that if she is scum, it can under the radar for a while

ok great, rhea scum, who are the 4 partners? any thoughts there? or do you currently have TRs? Where's your head at now?

Do you really expect me to guess the entire scum team right now?

Anyway here are My tr's not locked, just My feeling right now

646

[JunkoChan]

UNVOTE:

I don't like politics

@Andante this is the second time You have asked me something and then said nothing about it, feels forced

[JunkoChan]

Also, Junko is Town. Like always.

I knew i saw this somewhere, have we played together? I don't remember you

[JunkoChan]

all this andante town talk makes me happyyy Datisi can be town for today!

(also junko I don’t remember the first time I asked you something, the second was just cause you didn’t seem to be doing anything so i was like “mmk how have reads changed then?” and i’m just now showing up since answering you? i’m kinda here dw, i’m reading most things! currently distracted by andante talk!!)

ok byeee time to go run… in… freaking cold temps.. but this is the warmest it’s gonna be for a while… ahhhh it’s windy too… a few more days then yall can have andante walls!! where I talk about all the great things you’ve done!

Weird that you don't remember it since you were "pretty sure" I was scum 158

And then You dropped that read

So the progression of your reads don't make sense

[JunkoChan]

I also did not feel like her methodology even made me, someone who landed on this being more likely to be a town approach from her, more inclined to name her king

Where would you want LLD if you could decide?

Getting cop checked by the Hand of the King probably lol.

But actually, I have not really been able to put a lot of brain power towards the PRs. This game is getting about 20% of the brain power I normally bring to games atm.

Maybe the PR slot on the council that could do the least amount of damage if she were scum, but also lets her be in on the council meetings in case she is town (I would value her having imput in those conversations). And then likely also getting her cop checked, meaning she is both clear *and* a weak PR meaning the scum team would have to choose between killing her or a stronger PR. (or outed if scum, obvs)

eyyy chill chill you tryin' to get me shot by the mafia bruv ahahah

in all seriousness i'm fine being checked by hand of the king

You know hand of the king can be scum right?

[JunkoChan]

Asking luke, but as a general reminder a cop check is very unreliable this game

[JunkoChan]

I'm taking Andante out from My small town

[JunkoChan]

I also did not feel like her methodology even made me, someone who landed on this being more likely to be a town approach from her, more inclined to name her king

Where would you want LLD if you could decide?

Getting cop checked by the Hand of the King probably lol.

But actually, I have not really been able to put a lot of brain power towards the PRs. This game is getting about 20% of the brain power I normally bring to games atm.

Maybe the PR slot on the council that could do the least amount of damage if she were scum, but also lets her be in on the council meetings in case she is town (I would value her having imput in those conversations). And then likely also getting her cop checked, meaning she is both clear *and* a weak PR meaning the scum team would have to choose between killing her or a stronger PR. (or outed if scum, obvs)

eyyy chill chill you tryin' to get me shot by the mafia bruv ahahah

in all seriousness i'm fine being checked by hand of the king

You know hand of the king can be scum right?

And what will they do, precisely, Junko?

They can either state my true alignment or trade one for one with me.

And if a scum is trusted enough to become hand of the king and wants to trade one for one with me? I'll accept.

Otherwise, they have to clear me, in a sense. Obviously we could both be scum and it could be a gambit but... how long will I live while cleared? With a cleared status the havoc I would wreck in this game... ahaha.

So.. yes, I've considered the outcome, and it doesn't much matter to me. I either get cleared or I get traded for. Both are fine outcomes, for me.

I'm actually concerned about scum scum situation, not saying i currently sr you Lady Lambdadelta it's just weird that luke has a cop check as a given You know what i mean?

[JunkoChan]

Aight you convinced me

[JunkoChan]

Mom Baltar is acting scummy again

[JunkoChan]

all this andante town talk makes me happyyy Datisi can be town for today!

(also junko I don’t remember the first time I asked you something, the second was just cause you didn’t seem to be doing anything so i was like “mmk how have reads changed then?” and i’m just now showing up since answering you? i’m kinda here dw, i’m reading most things! currently distracted by andante talk!!)

ok byeee time to go run… in… freaking cold temps.. but this is the warmest it’s gonna be for a while… ahhhh it’s windy too… a few more days then yall can have andante walls!! where I talk about all the great things you’ve done!

Weird that you don't remember it since you were "pretty sure" I was scum 158

And then You dropped that read

So the progression of your reads don't make sense

So in a future post you say you drop your tr on me? I'm not town cause of 1 or 2 posts I made? I have no recollection of 158 and I don't get why you're like "YOU SAID THIS!!" for post 158... we're like 900 posts into this freaking game? like WHO EVEN CARES THAT MY READS HAVE CHANGED??? nice to meet you I'm andante, reads change hourly. you're like trying to make this huge deal out of literallly nothing and I'm just simply not interested in this.


@Pooky I thought I unvoted, if not, I'll do it again
UNVOTE: Dann

haha I'm not dropping my tr on you because of you changing read, it's because they don't make sense

and what if we are on page 900? it's been 3 days

[JunkoChan]

I got a hot take, Mastina is scum this game

[JunkoChan]

I can't wait for 3 days and 20 pages from now when we'll get to read Mastina's reaction to Rhaenyra's campaign on her behalf

I was thinking exactly this

[JunkoChan]

Honestly, I'm kinda liking mastina right now, she's kinda looking like a really good candidate for the King/Queen title, cause she seems like someone who'd really think out the people she nominates, I'm liking this catch up!! I do have some doubts though, so I'll hold off voting, catch ups like this are just so much easier for scum, like, yeah.. I'll wait for stuff in the present, but like, these 2 posts are literally enough for me to go "yesss!!! mastina the leader!!!"

yeah, you are def scum

[JunkoChan]

Junko, this is genuinely so freaking annoying.... I post anything "YOU ARE DEF SCUM" like, whatever.. I'll stop posting then, have fun!

overeacting much?

[JunkoChan]

'Everyone, my word is Gospel and anyone who disagrees with my opinions even slightly is scum or stupid!'

- 90% of players in this game

could you please burn your post count post haste? you are getting obnoxious

[JunkoChan]

ma lady, king cannot execute 2 days in a row

It does make me think LLD is town btw--I don't think that a scum-LLD fakes this mistake and I don't think a scum-LLD makes it. Obviously, not locked in because LLD is LLD, she is both capable of derping it up as scum and of faking the derp as scum, but while I know she CAN legit derp and I know she CAN fake derp, I think the derp is real and from town, not from scum.

she didn't derp

[JunkoChan]

Alright I'm joining whoever said they would vote for whomever promises to execute Rhea for King and i am absolutely doing that if i get king.

VOTE: TSQ

make me coin girl tvm

(you don't have to, but ya know, consider it)

[JunkoChan]

make me coin girl tvm

Looks like i got competition for master of coin.
I bet u do this on purpose

that was under my reign

[JunkoChan]

@GuiltyLion , oh I was definetly in a mood, I chill down a bit now, but now I'm watching your reads and I have a question

since you have andante in your "I wouldn't lim today but they can be wolves" what do you think about andante read progression? do you think it's natural for her to drop her scumread on me without adressing it, and follow up to that it's another question on me that lead to nothing?

her argument is that those reads were far away from eachother but I don't think you can just forget something that happened recently in irl time

[JunkoChan]

read 158 to 387 on Andante's iso and tell me if that doesn't look weird

[JunkoChan]

@Junko - Have you played with andante before?

never

[JunkoChan]

Dats, if you don't get king, is there another council role you feel like you definitely want?

i haven't processed all the roles yet, i want them all to be public knowledge so that i can compare them at the same time.

from what i know of them, i think i don't want the person who picks the guards because that seems like too much stress

i don't currently remember what the others are and i cannot focus enough to check atm

heir: becomes king when kings die, inherits king abilities
hand: cop
commander: picks the kingsguard, kingsguard can overthrow the king if more than 50% of them want to
keeper of coin: gives the PR's coins that they need to use their abilities
keeper of law: jailkeeper

if we follow the trend we probably will have a doctor and maybe a vigilante?

[JunkoChan]

- Rhaenyra should probably just be in the town tier, I dunno if I can explain why in a satisfactory way but the spat with Titus and then 919 in particular gave me some strong town vibes. however the mastina thing went on juuuust long enough that I'm not 100% convinced it couldn't possibly be an act still, and I def don't want Rhaenyra in any position of power. I also do find it kind of odd she's burned through so many of her posts already, I think that's probably not intentional nor a devious ploy but it is pretty objectively anti-town bc she won't be able to communicate about anything soon

please tell me you don't actually believe it's not intentional

[JunkoChan]

@lukewarm That's mean

I don't want this people as town or heir: Baltar Enchant Rhae mastina Penguinpower Andres UNO

[JunkoChan]

sorry had 2 thoughts when writing that I don't feel okay townreading any of those plus I don't want them to be king

[JunkoChan]

add Andante to that too actually, I'm literally okay with anyone else

[JunkoChan]

add Andante to that too actually, I'm literally okay with anyone else

to be clear - you're okay with Charloux, Bella, and Titus?

That group of people feels weird to me. You've said you had Andres as town earlier, why are you not ok with him being King?

I'm okay with Charloux

who the f are bella and Titus? you are right I should rephrase that, I'm fine with anyone outside of the list I said that has more than 20 posts

I kind of tr Andres but I don't want him as king, he can be council or something

[JunkoChan]

@lukewarm That's mean

I don't want this people as town or heir: Baltar Enchant Rhae mastina Penguinpower Andres UNO

Can you explain andres and Uno to me?

Like i said to Guiltylion I don't sr Andres, just don't feel like having him as king

I sr UNO

[JunkoChan]

add Andante to that too actually, I'm literally okay with anyone else

to be clear - you're okay with Charloux, Bella, and Titus?

That group of people feels weird to me. You've said you had Andres as town earlier, why are you not ok with him being King?

I'm okay with Charloux

who the f are bella and Titus? you are right I should rephrase that, I'm fine with anyone outside of the list I said that has more than 20 posts

I kind of tr Andres but I don't want him as king, he can be council or something

F Titus has 30, 30+ then

[JunkoChan]

Like i said to Guiltylion I don't sr Andres, just don't feel like having him as king

Why's that?

actually because of interactions with you, I don't want you near the PR's

I feel you your intent as pockety

[JunkoChan]

Tell me I am wrong.

You're wrong.

the hypocrisy is strong in this one

[JunkoChan]

Omg I actually agreed to something Rhae said, am I losing my mind?

[JunkoChan]

@Rhea You are over 150 posts.

[JunkoChan]

@Rhea You are over 150 posts.

I know, but I the rules say we actually have a twenty post bonus we can use for the duration of the whole game. Read mod's iso if you don't believe me.

20 bonus posts for naked votes only.

[JunkoChan]

Actually explain me pone more time why mastina should be Queen, I'll read it I promise

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Guiltylion

[JunkoChan]

what I think is weirder is the run of Dwlee/Penguin/Junko votes on me. that's too many people voting me but not really engaging substantively with people like LLD/Lukewarm/Andante/Datisi who have pushed back against me being King or are campaigning elsewhere.

if you want my explanation, I already said I don't want Baltar or UNO kings, so you are the only other running campaign

(this is starting to feel a lot like true elections when you have to vote for the lesser bad)

I would vote Lady Lambdadelta, but like I said before it was cool she is better in another position in the council or like luke said semi-IC in the kingsguard

[JunkoChan]

and I'm really curious to see who is really actively against you being King because we are getting to a stage where I find scumreading you somewhat implausible on the whole.

i am very much against VPB as king. Because he won't give me master of coin.
He also said im a peasant. Very rude.

Also no one has seemed to brought up the obvious. Lots of people are half way through their posting and we still have a whole phase after this for voting out someone. Unless everyones thoughts are "let the king just kill someone" which i disagree with.

More discussion should be on who to lim then who to be king for those getting up in post counts or conserve posts. (my god what have i become advocating for this)

In any situation my vote to lim is on
HURT: Lukewarm

see? firebringer is town this game

anyway imagine all top posters reach the cap and then it's just mastina cathing up to bell Ydrasse and Charloux

[JunkoChan]

firebringer is en route to become my strongest townread, and only partly because i wanna annoy him

(srsly tho 1244 is Good and i deadass assumed we'll be getting a fresh 150 cap for some reason?)

anyway i see nobody wants to chat with me that's cool that's fine i'm totally not gonna go cry

hello Datisi what's your take on this three:

Luke
Guiltilion
Baltar

I'm totally not doing this out of pity

[JunkoChan]

Luke
Guiltilion
Baltar

scum
town???
town

i feel like luke and baltar are the two reads i have spoken a lot about so idk why you're asking me about them but

because luke said some relevant things a few pages ago(?) and it goes hand in hand with the other 2

[JunkoChan]

You say he's hasn't expressed slimy scumreads - sure, but what are his scum reads? We're in a part of the game where scum aren't needing to wagon anyone - how is the lack of sliminess meaningful? I'd expect a scum strategy here could be to coast this part by being proactive in King electing theory to boost their own townie stakes. Steering in a pro-town direction? How? By balloting people for their opinions on Andres as king? Again this seems a fairly neutral activity in the context of VPB not expecting Andres to do much more than go with consensus. Ignoring unproductive conversations - what are you referring to here and how is that extremely townie?

idk I followed along completely with his Datisi suspicion evolving into more trust there. similar good feelings about whenever he voices suspicion on people, because he's just really clear and upfront about it (in a way that I did not see in his scumgames, woo meta)

comments like these:

Spoiler: VPB scumreads/suspicions

On face everyone will agree a townie needs to be king, but actions aren't lining up with intent. We're on path to select a king from the most active most friendly face, I think, which is likely to be a recipe for disaster.

Don't think I agree that's the path we are on. I appreciate your urgency, but also think you're trying to control the outcome a little bit...plus UNOwen as king seems kind of LOL, frankly.

This is a fair paranoia and vibes with where I'm at trying to figure out LLD. I have a pretty natural aversion to people openly seeking power, so the bully play doesn't make a lot of sense to me as scum.

I do think part of my bad vibes are based in LLD giving pretty uncharitable reads of yours and others' statements so far.

If I had to guess, LLD doesn't care about being king but does want to be seen as a good strategist who would be useful on the small council. I need to separate myself from my natural aversion to the bully approach to the game and see if I actually find LLD's control complex scummy or not.

Rhaenya is town. Nothing to discuss there

Actually would like to hear more on this. I don't think I have experience with Yume, and I have a bad tendency to want to just remove players from the game if their playstyles annoy me.

I think Rhea's posting from a motivational standpoint seems like a really good way avoid talking about literally anything else that's happening in the thread and I think that people tend to town read crazy also so like its possible this is genuine but I think it is also definitely possible its a scum tactic.

I agree with this.

Enchant's play doesn't seem that townie actually. It's not super engaged in poking people enchant finds scummy in a real way, which they do in my experience.

I can think of one reason why maybe that's the case, but also enchant is better than this as town.

I see Fire's obsession with being a master of coin to be town indicative. My argument is that scum wouldn't really want to limit themselves to a certain position as long as they make it to the council.

I can understand Rhaenyra's annoyance with everybody sus-ing her. Everybody has their own thought process and calling something scummy because it's different from your perception is either narrowminded town or scum acting like narrowminded town. It's easy to say comment A is bad and point fingers. Scum don't post stuff if they are aware the logic is flawed right?

Baltar is a jerk. Don't like him deciding the whole roster of who gets what position, feels powerwolfy.

I know Andre didn't ask me to comment on Enchant, but meh. I don't see scum choosing Enchant as their pick to run for king; Forgot who said it but Enchant is an ultimate meme choice. How many people want a good king, and how many want a meme king? There is a possibility of him going awol though.

Fire commented twice about him being scum in #1000 and #1080, i don't understand what he wanted to achieve with this.

#1097 @Rhae: Normally speaking, people don't want someone alien to them(As in incomprehensible reads) to be their king. That's the main reason people don't want someone like ou, mastina or enchant to be king. Logically i agree with this, but personally i want it to happen.

If there are any questions about specific posts that need commenting on feel free to ask.

This post is...not great.

Master of coin is actually a very powerful position because it dictates if the other positions can act or not. If you can't see the scum benefit of that, well..

I'll skip over your comment about me because that's level zero thinking.

On Rhae...I think very few people are sussing her actually. Many are saying she's simply difficult to interact with this game and they're ignoring. I've personally felt she might be town because this is extremely short sighted scum play, though could be an act idk.

As far as questions, I'd like to hear some reads on your top 3-5 and bottom 3-5 players.

holistically I just agree/vibe with all of it and it feels super transparent to me.

Spoiler: Avoiding unproductive conversations

Also felt good to see him point out the same Datisi post that I did.

Let's be clear, I don't think Datisi is necessarily scummy for this. It just didn't make sense to me. I think you're off on your own on where you've taken that.

after initially poking Datisi for clarification, I feel this was a pretty measured and proactive way to voice that he didn't agree with Luke's push on Datisi without like, getting personally involved or shit-stirring

Mastina is like an apparition of life long past. You want to say hello, but you know it's useless.

Rhae, how would you feel about Mastina in my Kingsguard?

pedit- TSQ, it's really not worth responding. It is clear you two cannot move that convo in a productive way. I asked you a question though that you could weigh in on.

^he also told Dwlee to skip reading the TSQ/Rhaenyra fight in 710

I can accept maybe he shouldn't be treated as the most obvtowniest obvtown but he's pretty much above most of the rest of the field for me, and I'm not sure why you're so hung up on tearing him down specifically unless this is the attitude you will take with most non-UNOwen kings? Like who in your mind is more trustworthy here?

I'm not really comparing him to some predefined expectation of how scum will play in this setup, I'm just trying to sort people and find town the way I normally do.

Aight VOTE: VPB

[JunkoChan]

@JunkoChan

Put me on Council and Town Auto Wins.


Me want ability, me take down wolves with that ability.

If I'm queen I hereby promise that I shall grant you your wish

(there's no way this goes through btw but I like your energy)

VOTE: Junko

[JunkoChan]

@Firebringer offer still up if I'm queen

[JunkoChan]

*sigh* Is there a King willing to include me in the Council? If there is, I vote for them. (Yes, since mastina won't be chosen, I will prioritize fun over winning. So pick me, please. Pretty please?)

I'll give you tracker thingy if you promise to not be obnoxious, the moment you do I execute you

[JunkoChan]

But I am not sure you'll really do it, since you lied about your promise to read my mastina pitch.

I read it, never said I would say something about it did I?

[JunkoChan]

I'm home.

Vote: Lady Lambdadelta

I really don't want a VPB king, and I don't really trust him as town at all, so the sudden swing onto VPB is very alarming to me.

I'll make you commander if you join my wagon, I got the momentum

[JunkoChan]

alright and that is all for tonight... gotta go run before classes tomorrow... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh kinda dreading the thought of that lol, but if I wait too long, it'll be snowing, and that sucks more.... woooooo ok andante... no one cares about your RL thoughts.. hahahaha ok bye I'll shut up. have fun! at the end of the day I'll probably sheep LLD, she seems like town I think, Penguin I'm 50/50 on being town cause town!penguin has fun gifs!!! this has been serious penguin... idk if that's scum indicative, yes I'm down to sheep someone coasting, you read that correctly. Maybe I'll sheep enchant? enchant for king!!!! hahaha idk, I'm in some kind of mood tonight, not really a mood where I wanna tryhard just to be ignored/fight titus or junko on a read sooooo instead, no reads!!!

goodnight all! (lol I say goodnight as it's soooo stupid early right now.... hahahahahaha oh right right serious talk only. sorry. I got jokes for days!!! lmaooo if yall really want off topic... no no I must not! hahahaahaha maybe I am in a good mood tonight...hmmm nahhh must save my valuable energy! I mean.. posts.. I wouldn't want to accidentally hit 150!)

This is a game. Have fun, and keep the game fun for other people. This might be the most important rule.

[JunkoChan]

@LLD
@UNOWen
@Andante
@Junko
@Firebringer
@ProfessorDrapion
@Titus
@mastina
@Rhaenyra

should I assume this is who you think is most likely town?

[JunkoChan]

I am willing to support the following king votes:
4. Andresvmb
11. GuiltyLion
12. Firebringer
17. Junkochan

There's a couple more names on there that are on the periphery or I wouldn't be THAT unhappy about, but this is my list.

Baltar is currently tied with me, so if you don't have him as you king options, you should join us

[JunkoChan]

No.

cool beans

[JunkoChan]

okay after an unexpected turn of events the wagon on me happened, and I decided to let it breath to see what people tought about it

and oh boy..

is it just me or Andante and Baltar posts changed tone after the wagon on me happened?

I feel like they were playing yu gi oh in the park and then my wagon was like a rain storm or something

I reread Junko's ISO. Probably town, though it seems like the play is within anyone's scum range too. I don't have Junko meta, so I'm basing this town read solely on "faceless mafia player" instincts. I think my issue with Junko king is they seem to have a bit of a looser understanding of the council, and maybe feel a little yolo to me when it comes to decision time, but I could be slightly biased because they joined in the shitting on me for trying to propose a council , even though Junko had also proposed a council (just without specific positions).

We can do worse than Junko king if that's the way it breaks, but I do think I'd be a better option.

like here, if you actually went through my iso with the intent to read me and not just shade me you would have said something like my council options are questionable or you disagree with them because so far I've said that I can remember now:

Lady Lambdadelta: commander
Firebringer: keeper of coin
Rhea: tracker

which to be honest are up for debate, and are way far from your non-democratic list

where does this "junko's loose understanding of the council" come from by the way? and what's so hard to understand about it?

Slight Lean Scum
{UNOwen, Enchant, Titus,

Andante

, Dwlee99, Datisi}

Interesting. Did you explain this earlier? I might have missed it.

Yeah I did - it’s basically a natural extension of 1405.

Can you explain your read in your own words for me? Bullet points are fine.

Why is andante scummy, and bonus Q, why is drapion in your town core?

Andante is Scummy for putting a post out about how they had silenced a different player with their retort and therefore they were Scummy as that player was responding. If I’m Town, and I make a good point that shuts someone down, and that person then avoids the thread for a meaningful period of time, THEN I can see say Andante saying I SR you because I responded to you, you clearly should have reacted to my post as if I’m right it makes you look bad, but you chose not to engage. Because yeah, that’s a bad look and you might have been avoiding to dig a larger hole by not engaging. But Andante just plainly jumped the gun. And I’m SR’ing that. It seemed planned in a way I don’t think Town would.

Drapion isn’t strictly in my Town core, but we’ve actually played a lot together in a different forum, and so far their reactions and push match what I would expect from Town them. If I’m wrong, that’s fine, I will re-evaluate later. But their exchange with Andante and push for Junko are very Town indicative if you ask me.

What even? so that's why I'm all of a sudden a scum read? this is literally the same BS logic yall were using to advocate for Junko king... "Andante obv scum, and that spews junko as town" this is literally an extension of that... I'm just confused what exactly I'm even being SRed for, but honestly? I flat out don't care.
When I was giving this game my all, it was just like "whatever" and now a bunch of yall are like "andante aint town" whatever... can't wait for King!Junko to vig me cause I'm "universal SR" then "omg andante was town???" "andante just sucks, it's ok, junko still lock town!"

could you point me where this "half the player list" is scum reading you? because yeah there's some people like me doing it but that's kind of expected in such a big game? and this still feels like an over the top reaction to something that doesn't really matter right now?

[JunkoChan]

like here, if you actually went through my iso with the intent to read me and not just shade me you would have said something like my council options are questionable or you disagree with them because so far I've said that I can remember now:

Lady Lambdadelta: commander
Firebringer: keeper of coin
Rhea: tracker

which to be honest are up for debate, and are way far from your non-democratic list

where does this "junko's loose understanding of the council" come from by the way? and what's so hard to understand about it?

I'm not 100% following what you're saying here. Are you saying I'm shading you? Is that what you took away from my post?

With regards to your council, this is what I took as your council positions (which does not include Rhea)

here is my small town:

Junko the Prinzessin der Verurteilung
Andante
TSQ
Firebringer
Lady Lambdadelta
Dannfloor

Obv you've changed on andante. I don't hate the rest of that list, even if it's not what I would necessarily do completely.

As far as your loose understanding of the council/game mechanics, you've needed help a few times.

@Andante could you point me to where it says we have 7 days yo pick a king?

I think we got a candidate for first execution

Ah it does Say seven nvm

The successor should also be picked by popular vote. I mean we can clearly command the King to make logical choices and eliminate any King that goes rogue. Like I wouldn’t just leave every decision to them - that amount of concentrated power is usually a horrible thing in the hands of almost any Town.

Are you bad at math or intentionally dense?

Allow me to do the math for you.

21-> 16:5

15:5
14:5
14:4
13:4
12:4
11:4
11:3
10:3
9:3
8:3
8:2
7:2
6:2
5:2
5:1
4:1
3:1
2:1
2:0

That means, if every king came out and HARD CORE forced an execute, and obv scummed it up while doing it, we would end the game one elimination ahead of a loss, in ELO.

So all any king needs to do is obtain one successful miselimination, say on day 1, pick whoever the fuck they want as their replacement, execute day 2 and the chain begins for a town loss.

It's... possible some of the roles in this game that are obtainable might be able to mitigate this, but given we're seeing role powers be public... and the numbers are as they are, if a scum is king can't they just fill small council with their team to Prevent that?

Like... this game is on a much tighter leash than people realize, I think.

ma lady, king cannot execute 2 days in a row

nvm I see what you mean

you know I was under the wrong assumption that the council was the same thing as the kingsguard,

I think you'd be a more chaotic choice for king, but I think you're town so whatever.

1. that's like super early game read, and I goofed I know scratch that, I don't want to remember that
2. I misread Lady Lambdadelta's

math

and almost immediatly after I posted that answer I understood her math which doesn't apply anymore anyway due to our knowledge of the PR's
3. 662 I said that right after the commander position was announced, and by that point none of us knew how that worked, it doesn't mean I didn't understand

But anyway okay, I see what you are saying now and why you would think that

[JunkoChan]

If we were voting to execute a player, would the three most dominant wagons all being town on D1 in any way, shape, or form surprise you?

... the difference here is that there are 16 town versus only 5 scum

scum getting three members each independently townread enough to get 5+ votes when town is trying to select someone they feel generally most confident is town would be wildly successful, like retire-the-goodfellas-award worthy. it's not like it's been the same people voting each of us

I agree with this

[JunkoChan]

I'd be willing to back TSQ for King.

Mastina is almost certainly scum because this is delusional level posting.

GuiltyLion, I'll ponder your Junko tinfoil. The Rhaenyra switch did strike me as odd given that Junko was antagonizing Rhaenyra into burning up her extra posts, but I also kind of feel town vibes from Junko more broadly.

Andante, you too crazy to be king. Would never vote for you.

The datisi-andres fight I think is TvT.

Dann is weirdly background after being very out in front at the start of this game. This seems weird since he said he gets better as games go on.

Back to post preservation mode.

would it be weird if I would be willing to vote TSQ too?

[JunkoChan]

And my reads support that.

your reads are wrong.

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: thestatusquo

[JunkoChan]

Chaos Titus: Ooh a flashwagon drawing from both wagons. Let's ensure they're tied.
Town Titus: I should at least compare their reads.
Chaos Titus: Or nuke them all!
Town Titus: We're voting on someone who is town .
Chaos Titus: Why don't we force them to agree to work together?
Town Titus: That sounds like cohesive, rational thought which I don’t want to do on day 1.

that makes you like our 10th scum member according to mastina

your evil plan was genius Titus

[JunkoChan]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that whoever becomes king needs to put their scumread in position of prince?
If kingsguard revolts we need to clear that prince and they have to kill both players. So if kingsguard becomes corrupt they have to kill one of their own to get to the king. I don't think anyone pointed this out because people missed between lines of kingsguard revolt, and BOTH king/prince die if this happens. They can't choose one or another.

@mastina i think vp baltar mixed the times of when coin was revealed to when i advocated. I don't think thats a scum slip by any stretch. Its also false assumption to just assume that scum already knew all the roles.

If 50% or more Kingsguard Members decide to overthrow the King -

they may murder him at night and install his chosen successor onto the throne

.

If all Kingsguard Members agree to overthrow the Monarchy -

they may murder him and his successor

. The Small Council will be role blocked from committing any actions on this night. New elections will be held on the following day.


Call me stupid, but I think this means they can choose not to kill the heir

[JunkoChan]

Has anyone mentioned the fact that whoever becomes king needs to put their scumread in position of prince?
If kingsguard revolts we need to clear that prince and they have to kill both players. So if kingsguard becomes corrupt they have to kill one of their own to get to the king. I don't think anyone pointed this out because people missed between lines of kingsguard revolt, and BOTH king/prince die if this happens. They can't choose one or another.

@mastina i think vp baltar mixed the times of when coin was revealed to when i advocated. I don't think thats a scum slip by any stretch. Its also false assumption to just assume that scum already knew all the roles.

If 50% or more Kingsguard Members decide to overthrow the King -

they may murder him at night and install his chosen successor onto the throne

.

If all Kingsguard Members agree to overthrow the Monarchy -

they may murder him and his successor

. The Small Council will be role blocked from committing any actions on this night. New elections will be held on the following day.


Call me stupid, but I think this means they can choose not to kill the heir

and that they can't kill the heir if the decision is not unanimous

[JunkoChan]

Scenario 2: My reads are fucked up and scum think I would take town down a bad path

This scenario means we might benefit more from Mastina and LLD having some power.

Maybe Junko, but ugh I am unlikely to want that

. I'm more inclined to trust mastina/LLD in some type of coalition govt.

Oh hey would you look at that!

Proof of concept for me finding scum advocating for Junko to be King, in spite of having not voted there!

Junkochan [7]:

Firebringer, ProfessorDrapion, Junkochan, Rhaenyra, Enchant, PenguinPower, Unowen

GuiltyLion asked the fallacious-as-fuck "how could scum influence this when by your own reads they aren't voting there?", well guess what?

I found the fucking start of the push for Junko to be King, and it came from someone not voting Junko!

Almost as if votes don't tell the whole story of what kinds of influence scum can have.

Almost like so much as a single sentence from scum can set momentum towards an outcome they want!

Y'know.

The thing I was arguing and which GuiltyLion tried to say was wrong.

so you are telling me that my antagonic wagon was created by the guy who directly benefits from me not even having a wagon?

ok.

[JunkoChan]

I'm close to my post limit and I think I might need them if my wagon goes through (I'm still up for it) but wouldn't mind TSQ

So I'll try to say everything that's on my mind to this point

I think there's like a 5% chance mastina is right about firebringer and could be something for later if firebringer flips red but I wouldn't bet the game on it because I have read Firebringer as town this entire game

mastina's walls gave me a headache yesterday so I re-read them today and I find this list weird:

Spoiler:

LOCKTOWN:
{Rhaenyra, Andresvmb, Andante}
{Lukewarm}

TOWN:
{UNOwen}
{Datisi}
{Dwlee99, Enchant, Firebringer, Charloux}
{PenguinPower} (almost put on same line as TSQ, but is slightly higher)
{Thestatusquo} (almost placed in maybe-town but am okay with this)

MAYBE TOWN:
{ProfessorDrapion} (might deserve to be up?)

PLACING:
{Lady LambdaDelta} (lean town right now)

???
{Junkochan}

{Titus}

LEAN SCUM:
{Bellaphant}

SCUM:
{VP Baltar}
{GuiltyLion, Dannflor}

this was posted right after her making these huge posts about firebringer scum slipping so..

why is firebringer town? and this goes in hand with "Baltar sliping" and he is down there in scum

why is Drapion town? if he is the actual initial reason why my wagon is even a thing

why am I ??? ? f the above are town, literally the 2 first votes on my wagon

I'm having this feeling that she is forcing everything to fit her narrative, because I disagree with quite a lot of her view on the game and that's really weird because I'm under the impression that she is a competent player(?) (I know some people are going to say, ah that's normal mastina stuff and that's precisely why is so dangerous if she is scum, she can get away with spitting nonsense, much like Andante for example)

I already had this hot take, but I still SR mastina.

anyway enough about mastina.

------------------------------------

Proffesordrapion the vote that triggered the wagon on me.

see this is a weird position, becuase if someone votes for me I know they shouldn't have bad intentions and I still feel that way so what are the possibilities?

scum!drapion feels like he can manipulate me and get rid of me by pocketing me

town!drapion sees me as non-treat if I'm scum and feels like he can overthrow me if needed

but here's the thing, I know I'm town, if the wagon died there I would be EXTREMELLY SUSPICIOUS of Drapion


but it didn't, so unless you are telling me Enchant, Penguin, Titus and Unowen have 2-4 mafia in them jumping in to take over the council this doesn't make sense (I'm excluding Rhae because I somehow convinced them to join)

that would be such a risky move, such an obvious move that probably doesn't come from scum


Dewlee Bellaphant Titus

I'm having issues with these 3 I feel like they have done nothing, but I haven't played with them before so if someone can tell me if this is how they usually play I would be grateful

Penguinpower

feels disconnected from the game but he joined in very late, so I think it's NAI

I think that's the news for now

my reads haven't changed much

[JunkoChan]

I find this parallel funny and interesting

Datisi: scum is getting rolled hard, mastina is town

mastina: town is getting rolled hard, datisi is town

[JunkoChan]

If anyone has any suggestions for me for king whether they be mech thoughts, speculations, people you think should have roles and people who you think shouldn't, now would be the time to throw them out into the world.

I'll give who shouldn't fmpov

Andante, Baltar, mastina

[JunkoChan]

[datisi, thestatusquo, andres, unowen
[rhaenyra, vpbaltar, firebringer?, LLD]
[titus?, penguinpower, charloux, PD, enchant, adante]
[mastina, guiltylion]
[dwlee, bellaphant]

idk my thoughts are kinda haphazard

I did not like GL/Mastina's spat at all, it felt like it stopped being productive after 2 posts and while that is in character for mastina I feel like GL would be less prone to continue an argument seemingly just for the sake of arguing

LLD's trajectory this game feels townie to me as I'm looking back. I think her stepping back and not trying to control the game after feeling discouraged is like +town. not that I think her emotions would be ingenuine as either alignment, but I think scum her *might* be more likely to *use* that emotion to propel herself in this game. idk she just isn't trying to control as much as I would expect from scum her here despite being given opportunities to.

I probably feel the best about my top and bottom tiers respectively

I also kinda think that scum likely rallied around one or two scum slots max to try to get king. I highly doubt mastina's theory about 3 wagons being scum is true. Much more likely that scum decided early on who would go for it and who wouldn't, barring something unexpected happening. right now I'm kinda feeling like GL might fit that spot.

the way the Shea wagon sprung up feels like it wasn't driven by scum but I don't have great reasons for that other than *vibes*

Why am I not here?

[JunkoChan]

Lol @Andante for having me as a scumread when i had 3 fluff posts and now he is mad cuz people sr him without explanation. Karma is a b

okay after an unexpected turn of events the wagon on me happened, and I decided to let it breath to see what people tought about it

and oh boy..

I hope you realized how unnatural your wagon looks. I'd say 4/5 scum pushed you because they didn't want Baltar as king. Not 4 scum, i mean 80% chance scum pushed you.

I agree with half of Mastina's reads, but don't understand the thought process of the other half.
post 1509 For this to make sense scum would need 3 appealing people while also shutting down any alternative wagon. Not sure how possible this is. Junko's wagon formation looks unnatural, scum would have no reason to push it unless Baltar is town. Hell Junko herself started the counterwagon so it would be distancing at this point.

You think I'm stupid? of course I know it was weird, I aknowledged the possibility in my read post today, 1601 and I ddin't start my wagon, drapion did, if people from that wagon start flipping red, it's gg wp for them

how possible is that? idk man seems unlikely I'm like 80/20 on that

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: dwelee

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: LLD

Okay, as you wish.

Can you tell me what your town reads and scum reads are and specifically how they've evolved from like...day 2-3 of the king making phase.

Am I going to be wasting my time and then you just shoot me anyway?

Also I literally I a convo about this with VP Baltar but okay, shit. Let's do more work I guess.

King Shea won't shoot anyone today

[JunkoChan]

I'm more confident they flip town than scum, just said something in our PT I actually kinda liked,

7 posts by dwlee and 6 are arguing with rhae. the only thing of substance was saying couldn't commit to scumread on GL said he was basically annoyed at GL. als not liking dats/dann.

Not sure what part of this one post u liked but feels pretty milque toast for scumhunting to me. basically yeah x could be scum and i don't like these 2. I don't know why ur conf on dwlee town here.

could you paraphrase?

[JunkoChan]

I'm more confident they flip town than scum, just said something in our PT I actually kinda liked,

7 posts by dwlee and 6 are arguing with rhae. the only thing of substance was saying couldn't commit to scumread on GL said he was basically annoyed at GL. als not liking dats/dann.

Not sure what part of this one post u liked but feels pretty milque toast for scumhunting to me. basically yeah x could be scum and i don't like these 2. I don't know why ur conf on dwlee town here.

could you paraphrase?

i basically did. its a one and half sentence statement from dwlee.

oh ok I missread your post

"x could be scum and i don't like these 2" then? somehow my brain thought you were talking about dats(datisi?)/dann again

could you like share the names?

[JunkoChan]

@firebringer never mind I got it


@Uwnnd welcome! the first voting phase was for king, I think only Lady Lambdadelta voted for him vor king and he is currently Tr'd by the king and no he hasn't been voted for elimination

[JunkoChan]

I feel like lost in what is happening in this game atm.

Like, I simultaneously scum read Dwlee while having no idea how his wagon managed to manifest itself into existence the way that it did?

Dwlee99 [9]: VP Baltar, Datisi, GuiltyLion, Rhaenyra, Dannflor, PenguinPower, Junkochan, Firebringer, Unowen

I feel like at the time of the votes

Datisi and GL both thought I was scummier then Dwlee.

Rhae and PP and unowen never mentioned Dwlee before their votes

Junko had a reads post that had no mention of Dwlee.

(Dann did actually have Dwlee in his bottom tier reads and Firebringer's positioning might make the most sense wrt this wagon actually)

but with that as the makeup that suddenly put their wagon at 9 votes. 1 away from the enchant instant hammer.

The wagon was so unexpected that I don't actually really know what to think about it.

Like, if anything I was expecting a *me* wagon.

But instead we are living here, and all of these people are now super sure that Dwlee is scum. to the point that none of the people (most of who just elected tsq king) and looking at where he is pointing. Which also feels pretty backwards thinking, since I feel like LLD is more likely town, but with *most* of these votes coming without the prior scum read, were they just sheep votes? Are they skeeping Baltar? If it is just that there are this many people who would rather sheep Baltar then TSQ, why did TSQ get elected king over Baltar.

But flip side of all of that, is that prior to their sudden wagon, I was ALSO Dwlee's biggest scum read. Yet once he suddenly had a wagon, they went into *attack my voters* mode instead of *case the person that they had previously presented as their biggest scum read as the person who actually should be eliminated this day phase* mode.

As I am typing this, I am aware that I am not actually ending on any conclusions, which is pretty #sadtimes #waffling -- but I genuinely feel unmoored in this game atm.

I mentioned dwelee, I said I had issues reading them, nobody answered me yet and people I've played with know that I would gladly pressure lurkers

[JunkoChan]

Dewlee Bellaphant Titus

I'm having issues with these 3 I feel like they have done nothing, but I haven't played with them before so if someone can tell me if this is how they usually play I would be grateful

Penguinpower

feels disconnected from the game but he joined in very late, so I think it's NAI

I think that's the news for now

my reads haven't changed much

[JunkoChan]

Don't kill -Anders, Lukewarm
Like - GL
Sorta like - Titus [needs citation], VPB
Unsure - Junko, Dannflor (Shea/LLD), Firebringer, Penguin, Charloux, mastina
Could kill - Enchant, Datisi, Drapion
Why wasn't he voted - UNOwen

shea ask you mean "why wasn't he voted" as in limmed or elected king?

[JunkoChan]

@unwnd are you up to date? i thought you were going to wall post about so i didn't ask (i'm low on post) i would like to see your case on UNO in more detail, I had a scum vibe from him but it lowered as the day continued, not enougu to calle him deff-town but good enoughso I'm interested in that in particular and obviously the rest of your reads, your slot was a Big question mark for most of this day i don't know if you noticed

[JunkoChan]

I'm up to date but decided to sort of chop up my thoughts

I think more people prefer post post post post than just huge ass post they're gonna skim. Or maybe I'm projecting my bitterness

I preffer novels tyvm

[JunkoChan]

Even though UNOwen is my BIG SCUMREAD I don't have much to say about him. I think he's scummy in a textbook way. Name one exchange that UNOwen made that seemed like he cared about figuring out your alignment. His posts read informed because he is only gesturing. By that, his gestures are only what is required of him. His posts about players are too focused on formality.

Is my reasoning on UNOwen

I'm shocked

The games I've read (and played with you) seemed like you were like ugh reading sux

We have played a total of 1 Game and it was a micro lol and it depends on the writer, for example if You force me to read a book written by Andante I would pull my eyes out

Anyway that's a small take for the uno case, i'm asking because You seem really sure about it and it's one of shea's current council positions, could you flesh it out and also give me some impressions for the rest of the PL?

Back to post conservation mode, I'll be back if You post what i asked

[JunkoChan]

Even though UNOwen is my BIG SCUMREAD I don't have much to say about him. I think he's scummy in a textbook way. Name one exchange that UNOwen made that seemed like he cared about figuring out your alignment. His posts read informed because he is only gesturing. By that, his gestures are only what is required of him. His posts about players are too focused on formality.

Is my reasoning on UNOwen

I'm shocked

The games I've read (and played with you) seemed like you were like ugh reading sux

We have played a total of 1 Game and it was a micro lol and it depends on the writer, for example if You force me to read a book written by Andante I would pull my eyes out

Anyway that's a small take for the uno case, i'm asking because You seem really sure about it and it's one of shea's current council positions, could you flesh it out and also give me some impressions for the rest of the PL?

Back to post conservation mode, I'll be back if You post what i asked

I don't think I have enough dirt on UNOwen to write a big case. I think his play is markedly impressionable. There's not a lot of places to sit down and go 'here is the hidden meaning of this post' because he doesn't have branches of thought. It does mayhap explain that formality that I latched onto where this is intentional cause he's scum? What are the arguments of him being town

Okay fair, what about the rest?

Well he is not my strongest town read but I also don't have anything to show You hey this is FOR SURE townie, but i liked Shea's 1746

[JunkoChan]

Will be around today, had busy weekend

This is obvious proddodge

My post is also obvious proddodge I've been talking in the council and the supporter PT, I haven't read anything that I can't answer in those or that changes mucho right now

I would vote for dwelee or Charloux

If anyone that isn't in those PT wants to ask me something, remember I have 9 posts left.

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: charloux

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Guiltylion

[JunkoChan]

hmm...guess i like baltar more now.

luke - why the sudden interest in starting gl wagon now since you scumread dwlee and decided to be a non-voter forever and a day.

Why the sudden interest in the game when you decided to be a non -poster for 10 days?

[JunkoChan]

You know what i mean, you've been afk here and in your pt's for what Andante has told us and you never even reconsidered Dwelee's wagon or said anything about the council or the kingsguard and now suddenly GL is important to you?

[JunkoChan]

Then what do You think about Charloux?

[JunkoChan]

i think charloux used to be the sole counterwagon to dwlee until a speedy gl wagon popped up and you hopped off to bring it to equals.

why's gl a better vote to you?

I've been talking about this possible worlds for a while in our PT i Guess I should tell You:

Looking at our last VC before Shea took over there we're7

7 people on me
6 people on Baltar
4 people on guiltylion

17 players out of 21

So what does that tell You?

Look it from my pov and assume that I'm Town

You can do the same exercise assuming You are Baltar or guiltylion and You are town

[JunkoChan]

Spoiler:

1. unwnd (Prince of Dragonstone) - Scum. unwnd is pretending to think about the game. I hope they never become Monarch. My main point is that their positions on slots are stagnant. UNOwen is their top scumread already in post 1763 and this hasn't changed in 1858. Similarly, they call Andante null in 1811 ('unsure, just forgot about [Andante]') and then again in 1942 ('Laws [Andante] - No opinion). I don't buy that Town!unwnd wouldn't have thought about Andante in this time enough to give a definitive read on her, given both the amount of content she produced early game and her important position on the Small Council. These continued reads were strategic choices by someone who doesn't need to read.

2. Titus - Town. Titus is quite insightful and sharp here (see 781, 785, 788 and 795), and she couples that with an unnecessary amount of styling (see 770, 1348 and 1536) that I don't think she was doing as scum in the Cafe, probably felt less relaxed in that game.

3. PenguinPower - Town. Playstyle feels very similar to the Cafe. A lot of short posts and questions. Vote on Dwlee is good, I agree with the stance PenguinPower's taken regarding Lukewarm's push on GuiltyLion as well. Not the strongest read because I think his play is easily replicable as scum.

4. Andresvmb (Lord Commander of the Kingsguard) - I was conflicted, but I've settled on Town now. Get me on the Kingsguard.

5. Lukewarm (Master of Whisperers) - 94 makes me think Town, because I've seen Town!Lukewarm try to townread players on page 1 for outside of the box reasons before. 40 (refusing King) is a bit scummy, because I don't think scum would want the limelight in this game. I think in that games that Lukewarm becomes a TR for me, and a strong TR when they do, it's because they make a detailed case on that player (and I usually agree). The game I'm thinking of is Newbie 2090. I'm reading that case for the first time now, and I can see 2 good points (1 is the inconsistency about LLD, 2 is the reluctance to be King and VP Baltar pocket). I remember there was a reason I townread GL, let me read now and I'll see.

Spoiler:

6. Andante (Master of Laws) - 59 already has me sold on Andante being Town. I agree with a lot of the case as well. 131 is extremely ambitious, I think the hunger is Town.

7. Thestatusquo (King) - I'm finding several posts very scummy here. 440 looks like an attempt to take on an almost administrative position in the Town (similar to LAMIST), 573 is a scumtell in my experience. It's hard to categorise, maybe declaring intent to do something game-related based on nothing/meme reasons? No Town motivation for doing that. 607 is unnecessarily snapping at UNOwen for what looks like a pretty innocuous question. This could just be angry town. I don't like that TSQ is King, but I don't think it's wise to push them at the moment. Hopefully they'll just get townier. Obviously I will protect the King if I'm a Guard.

8. VPBaltar - Town. 863 is more likely to come from Town I think, directly engaging with the setup. Wouldn't put it past Baltar to be scum, just not likely for me.

9. Dannflor - Town, but less than some.

10. Unowen - Town, bet my entire LIFE.
11. GuiltyLion - 108 is towny. 1085 is a bad list, because the Lukewarm scumread is completely reactive and my slot is Town. I'm then surprised by the vote on Dwlee over Lukewarm. If I was being accused by what I thought was loud scum, I'd vote them ahead of anyone else. I don't see why Town would have any kind of apprehension about a big ol' toxic 1v1, you could expose a Mafia. It's a Large after all. It makes me think GL didn't want the smoke. Scumread. I might vote here.

Spoiler:

12. Firebringer (Master of Coin) - seems quite open and Towny.

13. Dwlee99 - I spectated a scumgame once, it was multiball, can't remember the game. This looks a bit similar from what I remember. Probable scum.

14. MariaR - Replace in was interesting. I'll move my vote away, but not sold.

15. Datisi (Hand of the King) - A lot of Socratic method going on, which could be a substitute for scumplay. Progression on Lukewarm - I don't get the 835 ('k Luke is scum'), it looks lazy. I don't know really, never played with Datisi before. I get the feeling they're always posting and thinking about the game so they'd be hard to catch as Mafia. But it's definitely possible that they are. Probably won't vote them early game.

16. mastina - Town. I understand the reads, agree with some of them (1044).

17. Junkochan (Grand Maester) - I disagree with Andante and Mastina as scumreads. This could be scum!indicative. Don't want JunkoChan in the council D:

18. Lady Lambdadelta - I think 1302 is very Town.

19. ProfessorDrapion - Seems Town, not sure on the reads though. Maybe a bit wrongfident town.

20. Enchant - Town, but I also townread Enchant a bit in (the now completed game) Normal whatever it was.

So, to clarify:

Town

UNOwen
Andante
Andres
Lukewarm
Mastina
LLD
Firebringer
PP
Titus
VP Baltar
PD
Enchant
Dannflor

Null

Datisi
MariaR
TSQ

Scum

JunkoChan
Dwlee
GL
Unwnd

VOTE: GuiltyLion

VOTE: Furtiveglance



I read this like 10 times and there's no way you get to a conclusion that me and Guiltylion are both scum together (that would be like the ultimate distancing from both of us if you actually read our interactions) and makes me think GL is actually town if you flip red

And putting me on scum list because i read mastina and andante (2 players with questionable reasoning for their reads) as possible acum in early game is bs reason to have me there

[JunkoChan]

VOTE: Furtiveglance



I read this like 10 times and there's no way you get to a conclusion that me and Guiltylion are both scum together (that would be like the ultimate distancing from both of us if you actually read our interactions) and makes me think GL is actually town if you flip red

And putting me on scum list because i read mastina and andante (2 players with questionable reasoning for their reads) as possible acum in early game is bs reason to have me there

mmmmm just because you don't understand someone's reasoning, does not make them a wolf. Yes, you disagree with it but does that make Furtiveglance scum? Now, I can't judge the placements much myself, but when I was looking at the spoilers of his thoughts on people it looked good enough to me.

Hi Maria,

welcome to this long ass day 1, I understand that you don't see where I'm coming from because you aren't on our PT (supporter of the king PT) where I've been fighting and arguing with VP Baltar Guiltylion and datisi about their 3 way town lock and how unreal it looks, and I've pointed out countless times there why GL could be scum fmpov, so I'm having a hard to believe that this read list comes from someone who isn't pulling reads out of his ass

I would like for you to go back and read the election progression, there were 3 mayor wagons with a total of 17 players in them before we decided to vote for Shea

my argument is that one of the following has to be true

there's at least 1 scum between guiltylion and vp baltar

people in my wagon were mostly scum that thought I would be easier to control or overthrow than guiltylion or Baltar

or scum was barely voting on those 3 wagons

which one of these is more possible is up for debate

anyway I have 2 posts left so I won't be able to interact with you too much sadly.

[JunkoChan]

@furtiveglance

I'm trying to make sense of what you are saying but it all feels really forced

1. until you came here with that read list that to be completly honest looks very disingenuos to me there was 0 pressure on you, I couldn't even remember anything about me pressuring you for reads, I can't even find other people being like FURTIVE YOU GOTTA POST YOUR READS OTHERWISE WE ARE GOING TO EXECUTE YOU, there's nothing, nothing there that would "force" you to rush a readlist like this, I mean we are not even running out of time here, there's like 3 days left (If you could point me to it in the Pt I'll gladly read it)

2. if this is just a stupid online game then why are you saying things like "don't talk to me for the rest of the game" and being so angry about it, meme your way through if you don't really care like many people does in this page

@MariaR

I had 1 rough covid year but I'm fine now and enjoying some mafia, hope you are too, I actually like that you are here! because your slot was boring before, since this is actually my last post because I counted wrong (i still have 20 posts banked but I don't know if I should use them, maybe if something important comes up) I'll link you to one of the posts I made about it, I have fleshed it out and thought about it more since then but that post 2228 is the shor version of where I'm standing about that topic right now, here is the original post: 1601

[JunkoChan]

Hello Proffesor, I'm also surprised that Luke was the kill, the seemly weakest por, maybe mafia wants to Snatch it for whatever secret effect it has?

Anyway thoughts on what happened, I think Shea Made a poor decision, he admited that the kill on Maria was because he was annoyed by her last posts, but still now that it wasn't an elim but a execute we got hardly any info

I agree with Drapion I would vote Baltar or Guiltylion today

[JunkoChan]

Hello Proffesor, I'm also surprised that Luke was the kill, the seemly weakest por, maybe mafia wants to Snatch it for whatever secret effect it has?

Anyway thoughts on what happened, I think Shea Made a poor decision, he admited that the kill on Maria was because he was annoyed by her last posts, but still now that it wasn't an elim but a execute we got hardly any info

I agree with Drapion I would vote Baltar or Guiltylion today

Seemingly weakest pr*

[JunkoChan]

Luke's PR was the best PR to check for scum on the council. His death points to Junko scum IMO

Explain how that makes sense, the role part

[JunkoChan]

I don't like junkos reaction to the night kill either here or in the supporter thread.

??? I haven't said anything about the dead in the council or the supporter thread

I actually said who i was giving my potion too before the dead happened because it would make sense to kill the doctor first and i thought I was done for

Explain

[JunkoChan]

Tracker is much better for verifying that PRs go where they say they go, rather than catching scum making a kill which is very unlikely especially N1

You know they have hidden abilities we know nothing about right?

They could be going to the target to do something Bad and there's 4 other members who can do the kill, is a weak ass pr

[JunkoChan]

Well i did say that and that's why i said what my night action was, I still think killing me and possibly getting another way to kill is optimal which makes me uneasy about luke dying

[JunkoChan]

Tracker is much better for verifying that PRs go where they say they go, rather than catching scum making a kill which is very unlikely especially N1

You know they have hidden abilities we know nothing about right?

They could be going to the target to do something Bad and there's 4 other members who can do the kill, is a weak ass pr

This is unrelated to my point

I'm just saying Luke is the only one who can tell us who Datisi/Andante/Junko visited, otherwise yall can just lie. Especially if scum councilors have abilities they would want to use on other players

If you don't trust me you can wait for Datisi to tell us if he received the potion and firebringer to claim who he gave money too

Or are you implying that we are all scum?

[JunkoChan]

Or someone else can say if i gave them a potion, your view is way too narrow Lion

[JunkoChan]

Or someone else can say if i gave them a potion, your view is way too narrow Lion

You're the one saying you don't understand why Luke was killed and I am giving you the explanation why

And in no way was I calling all of you scum, please don't misrepresent me like that.

You are saying that Luke kills points to me which is ???? Unless you are just that tunneled on me or you are scum

You know what would make sense from you to Say?

"Luke's dead points towards a scum being in the council"

That would make sense

[JunkoChan]

And You know what? i wouldn't be surprised if that's the plan all along "make them think the council is corrupted"

You better die today

VOTE: Guiltylion

[JunkoChan]

Ok maybe I shouldn’t have said it like that.

But you get what I’m saying, this is nuts.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Junko or Forebringer’s posts, wolves are pushing agenda.
I am confident both of the two are town.
They also don’t have one vote for the other when choosing for a king, y’all need to use your head!

Firebringer did vote for me, I'm not sure i'm following the logic here

[JunkoChan]

Ok maybe I shouldn’t have said it like that.

But you get what I’m saying, this is nuts.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with Junko or Forebringer’s posts, wolves are pushing agenda.
I am confident both of the two are town.
They also don’t have one vote for the other when choosing for a king, y’all need to use your head!

Firebringer did vote for me, I'm not sure i'm following the logic here

Yeah see this is why people are wolf reading you, you don’t read things correctly.

I said “they also don’t have one vote for the other if they are wolf”
Not that you didn’t vote for each other I am obviously implying that Firebringer need have a solo vote on you for awhile.

Oh, well that was confusing as fk for me if i'm being honest

[JunkoChan]

Wait you didn't Say that, You said we don't have a vote for eachother when choosing for a king and I said fire did vote for me..

I'm not crazy

[JunkoChan]

I see no reason for Firebringer and GL not to be mafia together

This ain't it champ.

Datisi or junko, what's up with the night actions? Junko says they got money from fire and sent a potion to datisi. Datisi didn't get anything last night.

I do think fire needs to make this explanation that looks townie in thread please.

Datisi didn't get money
Datisi got a potion

[JunkoChan]

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:

Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion

Dwlee99 [5]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar

Firebringer [2]:

Enchant, furtiveglance,

not voting [7]:

JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

You see, my problem with this situation is that every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum, GL has interacted with many of us and has a clear cut group of people backing him up

While Dwelee's wagon is based on him just lurking and being tunneled on Datisi

What do we learn from killing dwelee? I can't see that

So unless someone comes here with good reasons I'm not changing my vote

[JunkoChan]

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:

Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion

Dwlee99 [5]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar

Firebringer [2]:

Enchant, furtiveglance,

not voting [7]:

JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

You see, my problem with this situation is that every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum, GL has interacted with many of us and has a clear cut group of people backing him up

While Dwelee's wagon is based on him just lurking and being tunneled on Datisi

What do we learn from killing dwelee? I can't see that

So unless someone comes here with good reasons I'm not changing my vote

This is such a bad take I don’t know what to say. If we execute DW over GL, and DW flips Scum, then you probably know that executing amongst the loudest defenders of GL is a bad idea. Not sure why you’re just openly ignoring that.

Then You are telling me that if dweelee flips green You 100% vote for GL o Baltar?

[JunkoChan]

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:

Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion

Dwlee99 [5]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar

Firebringer [2]:

Enchant, furtiveglance,

not voting [7]:

JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

You see, my problem with this situation is that every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum, GL has interacted with many of us and has a clear cut group of people backing him up

While Dwelee's wagon is based on him just lurking and being tunneled on Datisi

What do we learn from killing dwelee? I can't see that

So unless someone comes here with good reasons I'm not changing my vote

Why is the argument of “we learn nothing” suddenly in play? We learn significantly more than the Maria/Charl lim..

VOTE: Dwlee

I don’t buy that this is town!dwlee, I gave them a chance, but nahh

I unvoted Maria and was only pressuring Charloux, if You go back I switched to furtive way before the shot and never advicated for a María lim or shoot

[JunkoChan]

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:

Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion

Dwlee99 [5]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar

Firebringer [2]:

Enchant, furtiveglance,

not voting [7]:

JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

You see, my problem with this situation is that every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum, GL has interacted with many of us and has a clear cut group of people backing him up

While Dwelee's wagon is based on him just lurking and being tunneled on Datisi

What do we learn from killing dwelee? I can't see that

So unless someone comes here with good reasons I'm not changing my vote

This is such a bad take I don’t know what to say. If we execute DW over GL, and DW flips Scum, then you probably know that executing amongst the loudest defenders of GL is a bad idea. Not sure why you’re just openly ignoring that.

Then You are telling me that if dweelee flips green You 100% vote for GL o Baltar?

Why are you acting as if you know what DW is going to flip? If DW flips Town, then GL certainly looks bad, I would be more inclined to think you’re Town, as I would any of the biggest cheerleaders in favor of GL from say yesterday. But Lukewarm AND MariaR seemed to come around on GL, and they were both Town. Why are you just outright ignoring that? If DW flips Town, it doesn’t condemn anybody necessarily, because the alternative could still have a Town perspective. Like the game isn’t just oh that flips Town, counterwagon has got to be Scum. Like I’m confused why that’s your push here.

You know what? Let's continue game throwing

VOTE: Dweelee

Yeah this is fun

[JunkoChan]

i think junko using "what do we learn from dwlee!?!?!" is disingenuous as fuck considering i don't see her using any knowledge from yesterday's maria flip to "learn" something today

Because it fking gave us nothing i didn't vote to lim Maria she was killed, and yes i was voting Charloux for pressure to SEE if they said something but no, they replaced, You are being obnoxious

[JunkoChan]

That post of yours @Junko is blatant emotional manipulation and will be summarily ignored. If you can’t make cogent arguments defending your position, then you just throwing a tantrum is anti-Town.

I'll do as i please, i gave you enough reasons to consider my position, but you ignored them, let's lim dwelee, that's what you want no? Then do it

[JunkoChan]

That post of yours @Junko is blatant emotional manipulation and will be summarily ignored. If you can’t make cogent arguments defending your position, then you just throwing a tantrum is anti-Town.

I'll do as i please, i gave you enough reasons to consider my position, but you ignored them, let's lim dwelee, that's what you want no? Then do it

You gave a really shitty reason to not want to move your vote, which I attacked. I would much rather you make a point about DW’s alignment and not what would happen if they flip Town.

No, because my reads are Bad, i'm wrong and You are right, so go ahead lim dweelee

[JunkoChan]

Execution Vote Day Two

With nineteen players alive - it will require ten votes to eliminate a player.

GuiltyLion [5]:

Junkochan, Thestatusquo, Firebringer, mastina, ProfessorDrapion

Dwlee99 [5]:

GuiltyLion, Titus, Datisi, Andresvmb, VP Baltar

Firebringer [2]:

Enchant, furtiveglance,

not voting [7]:

JohnnyFarrar, PenguinPower, Andante, Dannflor, Unowen, Lady Lambdadelta, Dwlee99


Execution Deadline: (expired on 2022-12-02 22:58:35)

You see, my problem with this situation is that every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum, GL has interacted with many of us and has a clear cut group of people backing him up

While Dwelee's wagon is based on him just lurking and being tunneled on Datisi

What do we learn from killing dwelee? I can't see that

So unless someone comes here with good reasons I'm not changing my vote

This is such a bad take I don’t know what to say. If we execute DW over GL, and DW flips Scum, then you probably know that executing amongst the loudest defenders of GL is a bad idea. Not sure why you’re just openly ignoring that.

Then You are telling me that if dweelee flips green You 100% vote for GL o Baltar?

Why are you acting as if you know what DW is going to flip? If DW flips Town, then GL certainly looks bad, I would be more inclined to think you’re Town, as I would any of the biggest cheerleaders in favor of GL from say yesterday. But Lukewarm AND MariaR seemed to come around on GL, and they were both Town. Why are you just outright ignoring that? If DW flips Town, it doesn’t condemn anybody necessarily, because the alternative could still have a Town perspective. Like the game isn’t just oh that flips Town, counterwagon has got to be Scum. Like I’m confused why that’s your push here.

You know what? Let's continue game throwing

VOTE: Dweelee

Yeah this is fun

This is what I do as town as well.
Done this more then once cause “bad town being bad”
But Andres isn’t Town, read my case Junko, I figured it out!
You’re Welcome!

I'll vote Andres if you can convince the other Sacks of potatoes about it

Otherwise i'm done

[JunkoChan]

You see, my problem with this situation is that every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum, GL has interacted with many of us and has a clear cut group of people backing him up

Where did Firebringer do that?

What are you even asking?

[JunkoChan]

What are you even asking?

"every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum" <- this includes Firebringer right?

Why are you so sure that it's not in the council pt?

[JunkoChan]

What are you even asking?

"every single playera on the Guiltylion wagon has presentes why guiltionlion's actions and overall engage with the Game could come from scum" <- this includes Firebringer right?

Why are you so sure that it's not in the council pt?

Feasibly it was, which is why I was asking.

No it is not, but it si a picky question for you to ask, Even tho talla the others have done so, what if fire's motivation is just to follow luke?

[JunkoChan]

Shea needs to pick a new person for laws. Then i need to submit my actions, so yes pls no rush.

Oh pick me Shea!

Pooky said, people outside of the original council cannot receive PR's for now