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[furtiveglance]

Hi everyone. I'm the Miller

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VOTE: Star Power

"Do I look like a guy with a plan? Do you know what I am? I'm like a frog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it! You know, I just...

do

things."

VOTE: Frog



VOTE: N.Y.M

Kill the weak sisters first. They're all pushovers who will be dead weight together, same goes for the other hydra. Star's only post is pretty lamist; a bad look for him already. I think he's more likely Town but I'm willing to kill him if he steps out of line again. I town lean Flavia, Kokabiel, Johnny and Bell. Of those four I can talk myself into scumreading Flavia if necessary; something about them still doesn't sit right with me. I'm expecting the really scummy D1 slots haven't shambled in yet.

I don't like you calling 5/6 players in the hydras pushovers or dead weight before they've even posted. A bit toxic

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Hi everyone. I'm the Miller

I see, and how does it feel to be a miller?

I feel good, I'm owning it.

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Hi everyone. I'm the Miller

I see, and how does it feel to be a miller?

I feel good, I'm owning it.

Proud of you.
Is there any flavor with that or

Yeah Foreigner. Guess some of yall aren't too welcoming.

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I think you probably are a miller since I don’t see much point of you coming up with that on your own.
Rather it doesn’t seem to be part of your wheel house.

Do you like to fake claim? Have you fake claimed before?

I don't recall fakeclaiming on this site, apart from faking VT that is.

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I haven't detected any sus behaviour yet. I'll vote when I do

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I have reviewed the thread and have a full team solve virtue of you guys being really easy reads.

In case anyone's confused this isn't a reaction test, I do have a full team solve I expect to be roughly 2/3 precise. I'm clarifying it's not a reaction test specifically because I know that no one interprets me to be joking because I'm sharp enough to realize a player who claims to think I'm joking is unlikely to be the telling the truth.

Go on then, who's mafia?

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VOTE: Bell

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Random or serious?

Bit late for random. I guess you want more explanation then. I think 21 comes to the conclusion that I'm trueclaiming a bit too quickly. 33 as well. Feels a bit "meh, not sure" which Bell was like as mafia in The Turing Test.

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I townread Passenger and The Bombay.

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Town (most to least): The Bombay, Frogsterking, Passenger, DeasVail, JohnnyFarrar, Herta, Flavia, PenguinPower

Therefore a POE of 5:
Andres - done nothing really
Bell - feels a bit sus like I said earlier
Kokabiel - I don't really like 218, seems to have scum mindset on the brain talking about me 'pocketing' The Bombay and then goes and says 'I really like Passenger because he is always engaging and is thinking about stuff from multiple angles' but yeah hmm
NYM - done nothing, don't like the vote on Flavia which was unexplained. I think Flavia seems quite natural so far.
Star Power - done nothing. I don't really think their opening was scummy but just lack of posting so in the poe.

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Town (most to least): The Bombay, Frogsterking, Passenger, DeasVail, JohnnyFarrar, Herta, Flavia, PenguinPower

Therefore a POE of 5:
Andres - done nothing really
Bell - feels a bit sus like I said earlier
Kokabiel - I don't really like 218, seems to have scum mindset on the brain talking about me 'pocketing' The Bombay and then goes and says 'I really like Passenger because he is always engaging and is thinking about stuff from multiple angles' but yeah hmm
NYM - done nothing, don't like the vote on Flavia which was unexplained. I think Flavia seems quite natural so far.
Star Power - done nothing. I don't really think their opening was scummy but just lack of posting so in the poe.

You’ve probably got two reads wrong there: us and I think Bell. I think Flavia wagon is pure. I thought you were better at reading me. Maybe you should maybe reread Trees again. I think the similarities should eventually become overwhelmingly obvious to you. Anyway, I agree with you on 218 so might switch my vote to that.

And it’s kind of ridiculous to call my vote here “naked”. A) it’s a post cap game and B) I told Frogs I would look at his case and found it pretty compelling but I’m starting to lean to maybe Kokabiel being scummier. I don’t understand why they are so over the top defensive in pretty much every single post.

I’m also liking Bombay. Luke sounds similar here to LOST I think.

~Nancy

? You have like 3 posts and expect to be out of poe???

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Kokabiel is an

Advocate

!

wot dis

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Kokabiel can you explain what an Advocate is?

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I'll eat my socks.

like - with any seasoning or sauce, or just plain socks?

Some wasabi perhaps? (callback)

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Oh....

A Moonlight Dancer is a player who can have the fact that they are a Moonlight Dancer mod-confirmed.

A Moonlight Dancer may be of any alignment.

A Moonlight Dancer may be of any alignment.

may be of any alignment.

of any alignment.

any alignment.

alignment

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My insanely good scum strategy is to waste all my posts with posts like this^ and then flake from the game.

Oops wrong thread

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My insanely good scum strategy is to waste all my posts with posts like this^ and then flake from the game.

Oops wrong thread

Lmao, I thought your meta was that you're funny when you're scum.

Must be the power of the Miller role.

Funny when scum, dense when town D:

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Off the cuff reads in no particular order:

TOWN
Bell
Bombay
DV
Furtive
Johnny
Frog
Herta

NULL
NYM
Penguin
Flavia

DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE IN THIS GAME
Andres

SCUM
Koka
Passenger

How is Bell town

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Random or serious?

Bit late for random. I guess you want more explanation then. I think 21 comes to the conclusion that I'm trueclaiming a bit too quickly. 33 as well. Feels a bit "meh, not sure" which Bell was like as mafia in The Turing Test.

If it makes you feel better, Bell's reactions to your claim were my exact reactions too.

Bell just said I probably was telling the truth. Considering that 1) there are 2 possible reactions to my claim (townread or scumread) and 2) anyone who scumreads a Miller claim will immediately look desperate (scum motivation for townreading me), this kind of 'mindmeld' is not at all improbable. So it has far less value than a mindmeld usually has, which isn't much even then.

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Town (most to least): The Bombay, Frogsterking, Passenger, DeasVail, JohnnyFarrar, Herta, Flavia, PenguinPower

Therefore a POE of 5:
Andres - done nothing really
Bell - feels a bit sus like I said earlier
Kokabiel - I don't really like 218, seems to have scum mindset on the brain talking about me 'pocketing' The Bombay and then goes and says 'I really like Passenger because he is always engaging and is thinking about stuff from multiple angles' but yeah hmm
NYM - done nothing, don't like the vote on Flavia which was unexplained. I think Flavia seems quite natural so far.
Star Power - done nothing. I don't really think their opening was scummy but just lack of posting so in the poe.

This is just a lazy readlist. furtive’s townreads are the players who have posted the most, the scumreads are the players who have posted the least. Players like Herta and PenguinPower have done about as much as all the players who haven’t posted, yet they’re outside of the PoE.

So you accuse me of going off post count, then immediately show that I haven't done that with counterexamples.

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Kokabiel, why did you use your ability? Did you just think might as well? You said you claimed so that there's no info we get after the flip. Are you sticking to this? I don't get the motivation.

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Passenger I think Frogsterking is pretty towny, why do you scumread them?

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OK, so, less confusing.

Furtive townreads Passenger, you say they might be right about them being town but might be a bit presumptive, then you post a list of people that were clear cuz I was town, including Passenger (I believe this is the team solve they were talking about). Then they ask basically why you said fugitive view is presumptive but they were in your town reads.

You had a whole case on me, why was this interaction more significant.

1) I have a whole case on Passenger as well I'm procrastinating posting which is even better than the one I had on you.

2) I think Dease is Town this game and is a very competent player so I'm willing to rethink my read on you.

3) If I work under the assumption that you and Kookaburra are Town, that means I would expect scum to be pushing a vanity wagon and not taking an active role in deciding whether Flavia or Kookaburra is the D1 lim. I looked through Passenger's ISO and saw that not only were their main two targets myself and Dease, they are currently pushing a nonsense scum read on me and interacted with both you and Kookaburra as though they already know you two are Town very early in the day.

You are wrong about the solve Passenger was talking about by the way, they are reacting to a solve I posted earlier where I said they mightbe scum with you

If partner equity is going to become a theme, I'd like to propose Passenger has partner equity with N.Y.M and Flavia. When players are hyper accurate (like I

sometimes

am on D1) it can force scum to make scumtells they wouldn't ordinarily make (like chainsawing.) I can link to you at least one completed game where scum were forced to react this way to me. 135 looks... unnatural to me? It pings me in a way Passenger's posting hasn't done yet. I feel there can be an element of projection in it where Passenger accuses me of approaching other slots in bad faith while they themselves manufacture a case by misrepresenting my motivations.

I'll admit Koko was a part of my team solve I mentioned earlier, but now with more information (from their wagon piling on) I feel their reaction to pressure is more indicative of a Resident who is wrongly accused.

Also yes I may as well out my team solve is N.Y.M/Flavia/Passenger, it was previously N.Y.M/Flavia/Koko

.

My opinion is that there is an element of Price's Law at play, where Flavia and N.Y.M are abandoning thread control and Passenger feels motivated to take up the reigns as a more active scum poster.

I'll wait a little bit longer before I get into my ideas about hunting for the Dictator.

I also was clearly FoSing Passenger in my post addressed to furtive, just expressing some uncertainty about it.

Part of the reason I removed Passenger from my third team solve is because I don't think you and Passenger are aligned.

The fact that Passenger is still pushing me partlybecause I included them in an outdated team solve is very survivalistic and behavior I have seen as more likely to come from scum than Town.

I’m not pushing you because I was in an outdated team solve of yours, I’m pushing you because of your shitty case on me and obvious contradictions. The outdated teamsolve is slightly related but not the base of my push on you at all and you framing it that way is arguing in bad faith.

Your push on Frogsterking is related to his push on you then?

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There's a possible Passenger/Kokabiel/[Johnny, Flavia] world in which this vote is scum/scum. Even more likely if one of Passenger/Kokabiel is the 3rd party (Government agent). I guess the 3p wouldn't be a Moonlight Dancer though.

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I think a Passenger scum flip clears Kokabiel but a Kokabiel scum flip doesn't clear Passenger. Therefore......

VOTE: Passenger

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Why would Koka be cleared from a red Passenger flip?

The Passenger wagon is composed of 3 town, whereas Bell and PenguinPower are both potential scum on Kokabiel

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1) What is a Dictator?
2) Kokabiel is not an Innocent Child.

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Frog, where is the info that Dictator is the 3p? All I see is that there is a government operative who is antisocial.

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Frogsterking is the Dictator then?

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VOTE: Frogsterking

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I think i remember seeing the word dictator somewhere in mods posts, but i can't find it

@Mod: Did you edit the role dictator in your posts so far?

Assuming what i said about my flavor is true, why would government!Frog defend me if scum will learn of his identity N2 unless he kills me?

Idk. The other possibility is that mafia are informed about the Dictator. Either way, I never saw the word Dictator in mod posts, including pre-game and advertisement. I don't think you need the mod to clarify that. And the way Frogsterking kept using the word Dictator, makes me think that Dictator is in fact the word for the 3p in this game and that he knows about it somehow.

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I think i remember seeing the word dictator somewhere in mods posts, but i can't find it

@Mod: Did you edit the role dictator in your posts so far?

Assuming what i said about my flavor is true, why would government!Frog defend me if scum will learn of his identity N2 unless he kills me?

Idk. The other possibility is that mafia are informed about the Dictator. Either way, I never saw the word Dictator in mod posts, including pre-game and advertisement. I don't think you need the mod to clarify that. And the way Frogsterking kept using the word Dictator, makes me think that Dictator is in fact the word for the 3p in this game and that he knows about it somehow.

It only makes sense to you though. Yellow pushed me the entire time they were alive because I called the majority faction "Masques" instead of "invitees" in RH's anonymous game and they were convinced this is somehow a mistake I'm more likely to make as the mafia. Spoiler: it isn't, and they died contributing nothing to the game except irritating me and everyone who tried to explain to them that their push was weird.

Your idea would make some sense if there were like a flipped role where Dictator was actually a thing that mafia are informed of but you don't even have that, you're just guessing and not evaluating the information you actually have in front of you. There is no reason why you should flip a townread on me because of a semantic mistake I'd probably be less likely to make as mafia.

IMO you probably have more self control or insight or whatever the hell was wrong with that player in the yellow masque slot to realize that this push on me is weird and it's more likely I made a honest mistake which has nothing to do with my alignment, other than that it might be +town if anything because I genuinely don't know what the 3rd party is called.

Why did you come up with Dictator then? Government operative is surely more likely called an Agent, or a Spy, or something like that. It seems too random to be a guess, and you're saying you swear you saw it somewhere when there's no trace of it. That sounds like you read it in your PM and thought it was public info.

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VOTE: Passenger

Still think the Passenger wagon is far purer if we're doing Passenger/Kokabiel.

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You still think that even though Kokabiel is repeatedly misleading people for no tangible benefit?

How have they misled people? They made it clear that their ability didn't clear them as town.

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Yeah this is no good. I can't clear myself and i think Passenger is town, so that's 2 miselims.
I suppose it's time to come out with my modifier.
When i get modconfirmed the government receives a notification that the delegation will find out their identity during the next night phase(N2 in this case) unless i get killed.
I didn't say anything so i could watch the votes on me and their reasonings and Catguin looked like he had an eureka moment right after i got Modconfirmed. And AFTER that he asked what the hell a moonlight dancer is.

Are you talking about this?

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Yes. Do you know what they could have done instead? Popped it and asked for protection and not elaborated at all. They would've gotten a pass for 2 days easily.

By popped it I'm assuming you mean announced their Advocate thing. They wouldn't have got a pass, everyone voting them would have asked whether or not it confirmed them as town.

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I'm trying to clarify where my reads are at atm and I think it would be something like this

TOWN: The Bombay, Frogsterking
Town: Flavia, furtiveglance
town: Bell, Roden
idk: N.Y.M
scum?: Penguin, Johnny, Andresvmb, Herta
scum: Kokabiel

I think it's pretty likely that Kokabiel is the way to go today, even if the claim does end up becoming a weak gated disloyal innocent child or whatever!

Thank you fellow town, you are also town. Smile

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From a setup design perspective, if you put 2 public roles in there, 1 is usually scum.

Sidenote: Can we please stop dragging the mod down here to say "I'm not telling you [player]'s alignment". Like what do you expect. Just play the game.

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First thing everyone should know: my role isn't called Advocate or Moonlight Dancer. My ability is called Advocate, but my role is actually called

Proponent

. Koka has already botched their role claim as far as flavor goes. I'm fairly certain Koka isn't claiming their real role name because it would sound scummy and didn't think anyone else was also an Advocate. Though Koka did say the correct trigger phrase "Represent Residents", as that was mine as well.

Besides that, the secondary effect from my ability let's me send a message to my target mod-confirming me as town. I'd like for this player to announce this, please.

spicy

I CAN CONFIRM I'M NOT THE PLAYER RODEN MESSAGED

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Koka, how does your flavor of advocate get to q moonlight dancer?

Like, in my mind an "advocate" is [someone] who is doing things for [someone or something else].

How is that getting to "you can have your own pr name revealed?"

I pm the mod "Represent Residents" and the mod confirms my role in the main thread.
It makes sense since an advocate is "a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy." according to wiki

This also reads as having got a scum PM because my role flavor actually explains why I'm an Advocate. It makes more sense to refer to that than looking up a definition on wikipedia.

Shade. The shade is real. Shade is defined by Urban Dictionary as 'acting in a casual or disrespectful manner towards someone/dissing a friend.

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After y'all get your kicks from mislimming Kookaburra remember the groupscum are Passenger/Bell/Roden and the government agent might be Penguin cause of what Kookaburra's reaction test revealed. I'm going to go back to my hermit frog spot in the mountains away from this Community cause I'm disgusted with y'all voting out
Kookaburra instead of the damn group scum.

Mindmeld, apart from the fact that someone is apparently going to announce Roden's conftown status very soon

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Because the same game having one player

Flavor name: Proponent
Ability: Advocate

And another player

Flavor name: Advocate
Ability: Advocate

Feels really wrong.

If not, what is your flavor name and why did you hide it before, when I was specifically asking how your flavor lined up with your ability?

This is veri gud questioning you should be a Lawyer

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After y'all get your kicks from mislimming Kookaburra remember the groupscum are Passenger/Bell/Roden and the government agent might be Penguin cause of what Kookaburra's reaction test revealed. I'm going to go back to my hermit frog spot in the mountains away from this Community cause I'm disgusted with y'all voting out
Kookaburra instead of the damn group scum.

Mindmeld, apart from the fact that someone is apparently going to announce Roden's conftown status very soon

I just finished successfully conning a Town with a scumsided Mailman "mod confirming" themselves Town by fakeclaiming JOAT with a Town Friendly Neighbor shot, so whatever Roden is up to I'll believe Roden's claim once he's dead and his alignment is "mod revealed" for us all to see.

Well let's see if someone 'sus' confirms him..... we know it isn't us, or The Bombay, who does Roden townread?

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Roden who did you send a message to?

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Why are we considering Roden when they literally just said they would confirm themselves.

Shut up Bell you fucking scumfuck lmfao

Go smoke another blunt Jesus Christ

Rude

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Maybe misleading results is the theme of this setup in a way.

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Cool - furtive is scum with koa because that makes no sense.

One thing I will say on PenguinPower is that this post is completely out of character compared to Town!Penguin in Datisi's Cafe. In that game he was very softly spoken, and would never make an association like the one above so confidently. In my opinion this is scum indicative.

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This game doesn't move forward until Roden outs the recipient of his message.

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I mean okay fine, let's try and figure out what Penguin and Dease are thinking.

putting self in Penguin/Dease shoes

A Moonlight Dancer is a player who can have the fact that they are a Moonlight Dancer mod-confirmed.

A Moonlight Dancer may be of any alignment

Advocate
A person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy.
"he was an untiring advocate of economic reform"

Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!

VOTE: DeasVail

JUST the delegation?

Setup

General Information

• This is a Large Theme themed around a group of militants and a government operative.
  
• The
  Residents
  are the uninformed majority and the
  Delegation
  is the informed minority.
  
• There is a
  Government
  operative who is
  Antisocial
  . If they win, all other players will lose.
  
• The setup does not meet
  Normal Guidelines
  but has no
  Bastard
  elements.
  
• Multitasking
  and
  Daytalk
  is enabled by default.

Probably this?

You guys think the Advocate thing is a red herring and Kookaburra can be or is likely to be the Dictator or w.e?

Okay fine I was wrong to dismiss your read about Kookaburra and claim they are not able to be the Dictator.

I

can

see it AND they sure as hell aren't groupscum. The groupscum are at least Passenger/Roden if not Bell as well. I also think Flavia is worth a look

later

to go for a Dictator hit.

The Townblock is on Passenger (Frog/furtive/andres/ NYM) and the Kookaburra wagon is split between groupscum (Roden/Bell) and Town (Dease/Penguin.)

It makes more sense to me now why you two insist on voting Kookaburra, but I still don't think it's a bright idea. I think Kookaburra is 1% groupscum, 15% dictator and ~84% angry Townslot with a shitty role. Maybe my read is off or w.e and Kookaburra is more likely to be the Dictator, w.e, they still have a decent chance to be an angry Resident with a poop role getting piled on D1.

The priority in these games is usually to hit groupscum first and I'm telling you again that Kookaburra is not an informed minority; if you're lucky they are the Dictator, and if they are the Dictator you can be sure they are screwed this game. Please do not lose sight of the Townblock piling onto Passenger.

The townblock piling on to Passenger. The townblock consisting of Andres, who has a total of 16 posts, furtive, who claimed miller and has done nothing since, N.Y.M., and you.

LMFAO this attempt at shade was a swing and a miss, by a very long way

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I'm unsure whether one scum is YOLOing, one town is *throwing* or if the Government is a type of Jester. The Gov didn't sound like a Jester though.

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Yeah again let's not be like: MOD, WHO IS MAFIA?

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Meh, I thought the silence from Roden after they claimed to have messaged someone was a bit dodgy. And we do get info either way.

VOTE: Roden

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Nancy did you really just unironically ask why scum would lie about a role interaction that would confirm them as scum

How does Frogster confirming you as town make them scum? Passenger would have been the elim

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If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

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If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

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If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

Consider this scenario though: Frogsterking confirms you, remains a relative UTR, and attention turns back to Passenger, Flavia, Kokabiel etc. How does this out Frog as scum, to you or anyone?

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If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

Consider this scenario though: Frogsterking confirms you, remains a relative UTR, and attention turns back to Passenger, Flavia, Kokabiel etc. How does this out Frog as scum, to you or anyone?

Because Koka already set the precedent that "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", which they then confirmed in a post later on.

? How does this relate how the players as a group perceive Frog?

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I have a theory, but it is best to just let Roden answer atp.

For the record, my theory here was exactly that frog was the target for the message and then did not confirm lmao

What do you think happened? Scum!Frog getting out a PR, or Town!Frog paranoid about misleading mechanics? I know you townread Roden

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If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

I can link you to a game where catboi was in a hood with frog, and in that hood catboi claimed to be an IC that would be revealed the following day.

Frog did not believe him, and killed him that night. Frog was town, and killed a claimed IC, because his read was just that strong.

When catboi died, and flipped as an IC, frog's response was to say that catboi must be a scum!changeling that just *flipped* as a town IC.

Until someone can confirm to me that role-changers are illegal in large themes, I believe catboi is a one-shot changeling-type role

On the surface, this looks eerily like that situation to me.

Town frog got convinced that Roden was scum. And then was so convinced, that even mod-confirmed information was not enough to change his mind.

This thought did occur to me as well. A chilling cautionary tale against tunneling to be sure. Is it likely though? Frog, anything to say on this?

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If anyone actually believes I publicly telegraph saving scum buddy Passenger in order to auto lose by Day 3 for literally no reason, I'm kind of at a loss for words

Did you see my question about scum!Frog's motivation to lie? Surely they could just confirm you and Passenger would get voted

Why do people keep telling me scum have no motivation to lie

Fucking bonkers

You literally said that Frog confirming you would out him as scum, in post 694. Or did I misinterpret that one?

UNVOTE:

Yes.

Which is why he's LYING.

Consider this scenario though: Frogsterking confirms you, remains a relative UTR, and attention turns back to Passenger, Flavia, Kokabiel etc. How does this out Frog as scum, to you or anyone?

Because Koka already set the precedent that "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", which they then confirmed in a post later on.

? How does this relate how the players as a group perceive Frog?

...Because the Government believes "Advocate reveal = Government gets info", and if Frog admits he received info then he confirms me as town and potentially confirms himself as the Government. Causing the players as a group to potentially see him as the Government. Which is bad if he's the Government.

Ohhh kay. So if the Government player gets your message they have to decide whether or not to come forward. Yeah I can see that, especially if Frog is the Dictator (!)

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What happened to Furtive.

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I feel a bit unsure of what to do. I'll post more when Frogsterking's replacement comes in.

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I'm sorry for not being more active.

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I don't think Kokabiel was the right choice really, Roden seemed to be in the middle of 2 1v1s but I wasn't around to say that so my bad.