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Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!
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You know how sometimes you just aren't in the right frame of mind to play mafia? No? Foreign concept? Sorry for my lack of contributions, anyway.
Given the deadline approaching, and the multi bandwagon possibilities, I would hop on one of them, but I still quite like my Fircoal vote, so will stick with it a while longer.-
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I agree with ThAdmiral's sentiments, but I think his definition of lurker is different to mine. 'Lurker' implies that people are lurking but not contributing much. E.g. the people who check in with an "I'm here"... or you know they are reading the thread but not posting.
The other kind of non-contributing player I would prefer to refer to as 'flakes' or 'MIA' or something. They are the ones who have been called away by meatworld issues, forgotten about the game or are just not interested. They are less likely to be scum than the lurkers who are around but not saying much, IMO.
(I realise it's sometimes not possible to distinguish between the two types.)
In a nutshell my point is yes vote for lurkers, but players who are truly missing/uninterested should be replaced.-
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Date of crash : 13 April - 19 April
Date of most recent post:
~N9V~ 25 March
Ancalagon 24 April
bird1111 24 April
Battle Mage 28 April
Coron 28 March
Dragons of Summer 26 April
Fircoal 26 April
Jingolaw 28 April
Niempie 20 April
Pooky 28 April
spectrumvoid - no posts?
Talitha 28 April
TheAdmiral 26 April
The Goat 25 April
TheJiveMachine 20 March
Twito 21 April
There are 4 people who haven't posted for over a month. Could we have them replaced pleasemod?-
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I've changed my mind slightly - if we can't get replacements I'm all for lynching some dead weight for the sake of the fun of the game. At least Twito speaks occasionally. Any other suggestions? Any of the non-posters given us any cause for suspicion? Let's lynch a slacker, get this day over with, and move on to the blessed relief of Day 2.-
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BM: I guess it's an OMGUS vote. You played day 1 so I expected you would have related to what I said and shared my frustration at the non-participation. Can you please explain what was scummy about what I said?
The dayJordan wrote:Blessed relief of Day 2? We were on Page 10, hardly a long and arduous day. And what do you mean if we can't get replacements?islong and arduous when the majority of people aren't posting. The number of pages is not really relevant; the time taken IS relevant, especially when you consider the low low participation. And did you read the post where the mod said he was having trouble getting replacements? That is what I meant.
Nah, it wasn't that many. I saw the thread immediately before and afterwards and I guess about 8-ish posts were missing.theopor wrote:seems there was a substantial amount of posts lost in the crash-
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Desperately looking for someone easy to lynch, or desperately trying to get a stagnant game moving? Playing up to the rest of the town, or trying to encourage others to speak?
And I think it is a case of the pot calling the kettle "black". You seem to be looking for an easy lynch by lazily jumping on a bandwagon and not considering the context of my singular "scummy" post.-
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Skruffs, a slip? I guess you're refering to the post of mine that was pointed out as "scummy". I don't believe it's a slip at all to try and get the game moving and press for votes and action. I believe it is the opposite, and good town play. Plus I play mafia for fun and lurkers and flakes aint fun. That kind of post is not typically or necessarily scummy. Many, many scum would prefer to sit on their haunches, make no waves and wait for a deadline.
If you want an example, go read any game with Internet Stranger in it and you will see what I mean. He is one of my mafia playing influences.-
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Jordan, I would prefer to use reasoning too, but often there isn't any reasoning that can be easily verbalised. Especially if the player concerned is a decent player. Many times I have been in a game with MeMe and I've been jumping up and down saying "She's scum! She's scum! I feel it in my bones! " And invariably she is scum. I am not 100% sure on you, I will admit. And I have not played with you before. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we probably have one group of scum in this game... the wolves, right? There may be other twists thrown in... neutrals, or townies who are liabilities, but town's main problem is the wolves. There is likely a pack of them, numbering 3 or 4 at a guess. And we havent killed any yet. There are about 3 people I get the feeling are probably town. So from where I'm sitting you have a ~50% chance of being scum, and that's before I take into consideration any vibes or gut feelings.JordanA24 wrote:Tally, why am I likely scum? You've said gut but I prefer reasoning I can argue against, gut just seems too convenient to me.
Sorry, rush post, but I wanted to explain where I am coming from.
Also I don't appreciate the prod request for melish - how do we find out if he's lurking if we know the mod prodded him?-
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I am leaving tomorrow for 3.5 weeks in the USA. I havent had time to read over or some up with any amazing ideas. Sorry sorry sorry! But I will try and check in occasionally. I wish the slackers would get in and post, I am going to be unhappy if any pro-towns get modkilled for inactivity. Ooh, maybe Twito could replace someone???-
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Pooky does not seem too convinced of his own ability to lead us to victory, so I am hesitant to take him up on this plan
I need to re-read, my USA trip and the long night mean I am a bit lost. But we need to nail scum today. All committed townies should be trying to nail scum.
Also, seeing as we haven't nailed a wolf yet and it's getting a little desperate - do we want to mass claim? (Not a tactic I usually suggest, but it worked quite well at Thespival..)-
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I am really hoping that Battle Mage's sibling is a bad wolf who is going to die shortly. If the other sibling is town, we're in trouble.
Nobody has commented on my mass claim idea. Any thoughts?
Also to get some discussion going, and assuming that we might have 4 wolves in the game, I would really like everyone to name their top 4 suspects for wolves, and who they would be willing to lynch today...-
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I am nearly caught up.... I read up to page 21 but I have read enough to be able to list my top suspects. They are, in order of suspicion:
Jingolaw
theo
Pooky
Ancalagon
I need to finish reading tomorrow... I vaguely remember ~N9V~ claiming so I want to read over that before I vote, etc. For the mass claim I am in favour of the people on my list claiming early as possible, obviously .. Not sure how we are going to choose who goes first.. maybe we could vote on it, with underlined votes (or something) so the mod doesnt count them towards a lynch?-
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OK, there's a lot more information in the last 8 pages to take into account.
The cop claim... My instinct is that ~N9v~ is telling the truth. Only claiming one result initially is worrying me a little, but I guess if his mind wasnt on the game at that point he might have just had his most recent result in mind. I really hope he's not scum, because no-one seems overly suspicious of him, including myself.
Having said that, he has innocent results on two of my top suspects. I'm not sure I can put too much faith in his results as he could be naive, insane or one of them could be Godfather Wolf. Notice how the scum didnt try and target him last night. Is that because they thought he would be protected, or because they know he's not sane and aren't too worried? I am not sure.
One question: ~N9V~, what made you claim when you did? What was going through your head?-
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Also, I am starting to get suspicious of Jordan again... I had been thinking he was likely to be a particular pro-town role (the name of which I will not mention), but then I read a recent post that made it look extremely unlikely that he is in fact the pro-town role I was thinking of.
So he is back on the list:
Jingolaw
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Jordan
Pooky
Ancalagon
As for the mass claim, I am still considering whether I fully support the idea. I threw it out there for some reactions because I thought it is more likely for town to support such a move, and for scum to sit back and see which way it's going to go. I don't think the wolves would really be keen on claiming today.
I do think we should get a full claim from ~N9V~ today, as it might help town to know whether we can trust him, and it might give some clue as to his sanity.-
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I don't care to elaborate much at this stage, especially because some players such as yourself have not put forward their own suspicions yet. I will say that your desire to follow rather than find scum yourself is one of the best reasons that you are a wolf in this game.
We have all seen how far we get with accusations and arguments back and forth. There's plenty in the thread to get stuck into, for those who really want to find scum. How many wolves do you think we have in this game, theo, and who are your top suspects for those slots?-
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Care to point out where you've put forward opinions of your own? I'm not going to jump because a lazy wolf demands it. How many months have we been playing this game now? And you still don't want to speculate on who is scum? If you're town you have no reason to even be playing this game. My strong opinion is that you are only here to kill people at night and slide by during the day.-
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Theo:
As for your day 2 posts, I am looking over them now and I acknowledge that you were being a bit more opinionated back then. But I still think you were sliding by with generic "let's put some pressure on" and "let's generate some discussion" and "I agree with..." and prompting for others to talk. These reasons are fine in themselves, but your postsas a wholelack original thought, 'meatiness', and a sense of conviction.
You were looking promising with your vote on Jordan, but then when Jordan asks "why should I be lynched?" you told him you don't find anything very scummy, you were just throwing in a vote and testing for reactions... That just felt fake to me.
I am trying hard to give you my reasons why I think you're scum.. it's often not easy for me to put my suspicions into words
And you are right, I have cleared some others in my mind, labelled them as more likely to be town. Have not kept detailed reasons why as that kills the fun of the game for me. It is just my compounding impressions of people as I read the game.-
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But I haven't been making an argument, simply stating who I want to lynch. The whole picking holes in the other person's arguments is what I am trying to avoid as I dont think that back and forth stuff gets us far, plus I really dont have the energy. You have asked for clarification so I've tried to give it. Happy to move on and agree that everyone needs to be participating at this point. Town is very close to losing... it's now or never for us.-
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Re: Jingolaw. I believe he's scum from a process of elimination, a lack of evidence of towniness and I agreed with the reasons Shanba gave earlier. With the number of wolves likely still alive it makes just as much sense to ask yourself why he (or any other player) ISN'T scum. And in my reckoning, he is the scummiest of anyone. I can go back and detail some of my reasons if necessary but would REALLY like to hear from some others.-
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OK, here's an idea... instead of a full claim, we pick our 3 most suspicious to claim. That way, hopefully we can get some good info but with a bit of luck not expose our doctor (if there is one..)
If, after 3 claims, we still feel like we need more info, we could proceed to a full claim. But we might have a good candidate for a lynch by then and not need to expose any more roles today.
If we go ahead with this we should all indicate our 3 most suspicious and tally them up. Mine obviously areJingolaw, theopor, Jordan.-
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There seems to be more support for the idea of only 3 people claiming than a mass claim - would you please expand some more, or give an example of why you think all claiming and outing all of our power roles is the best option?theo wrote:Okay I'd prefer if we're claiming we all claim, not just three, and no one comments until its done. I'd rather the wolves don't dictate somehow the three who need to claim, I haven't got a problem claiming, but if I'm doing it then everyone else is or we just claim flavour and not role.-
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Shanba, I can understand your point about wanting all scum under pressure. I think it's a good point. But how is claiming going to give us confirmed innocents? In a well-designed game, there usually aren't any claims that will prove a player to be innocent. But hopefully someone will fluff up the claim and we'll have a good candidate for a lynch.
You are right, it's possible that we don't have a doc, but what we do know foralmost certainis that there is another killing role out there that is not aligned with the wolves. This person is, whether vig or SK, crucial to the town right now, because they will be trying to kill the wolves.
However, thinking about numbers... if we lynch wrong today, the vig/SK maybe should not kill tonight, as taking out a townie could easily mean game over. I suggest only killing tonight if you are really confident. If we lynch right, I think you should go ahead and kill, regardless. Please go over the thread, make your best guess at scum.
Also, if this person is ever in danger of being lynched, they should claim. Even if they are a serial killer, just claim vig. We will not lynch you because we need you plus you would be my first choice to receive doc protection (if there is a doc).-
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As I've mentioned, the thing about the mass claim is that it puts all our roles out there, and the scum have the complete picture, they know who they need to kill and exactly what they need to do to win. This is a huge advantage for them.
However, I am starting to swing back to the mass claim idea.
Phoebus: Could you send out some super-sized pokes to those people who arent talking?-
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Welcome back P.
I wonder if we could get replacements in if we tell them they don't even have to read the thread? All they have to do is come here and roleclaim and then followPookyme to victory. Go bump the queue thread and promise them we'll be gentle! Failing that, try cash bribes!!
I'm just pretty worried about modkills because I can't see a scum in this position flaking out of the game... I think the people who have gone completely missing have more likelihood of being town.-
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