New York 180 (Endgame)

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:51 am

In post 3166, goodmorning wrote:dammit

i should have quickhammered him while i had the chance

fucking what

Yeah you should have

VOTE: good morning

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:29 am

acryon*

Mathblade - town
Kitz - town

joker443

Naked jogger - scum

TheFireRises

Shinobi - slight scum

croboss

Nobody special - slight town

GGG

Pisskop dead
dragonspawn insignificant town
Klingoncelt dead
SilverWolf totally town
elusive - back and forth. Leaning town. At the moment
Grib/ good morning - scum inclination from both players in this slot
Wake88 - back and forth but leaning town
Aeronaut slight town

House

Ozgin still town
T S O town
Cheetory6 need to see more

Jared615

Ellie dead
Boonskiies dead

julianmolina13

ABR probably.anti town town
FA_Q2 slight scum
vikingfan dead fool

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:47 am

In post 3214, Albert B. Rampage wrote:After this colossal disaster, I don't know what to say, really. Sometimes, you're wrong. Sometimes you're odds of winning a hand are 96% and the 4% card comes out on the river. It happens. I'm not beating myself up about it.

who do you think we should lynch? Top three choices

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:50 am

I'm willing o go back to abr. This nonsense has to stop. But I don't want to vote till I have a vc

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:50 am

In post 3248, MathBlade wrote:On ABR
Me (3232)
Kitz (3097)
Wake88 (3099)
Aeronaut (3103)
SilverWolf (3015)
Cheetory6 (3108)
Dragonspawn (3135)

Any other votes irrelevant.

I haven't voted for him yet

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:53 am

VOTE: abr

Let's end this drama

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:39 pm

In post 3315, elusive wrote:please unvote ffs

Unvote

Ill give you time to get your lists. In fact the more interaction the better

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:29 pm

Vote abr

Perhaps now ill be included in a vote count;)

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:29 pm

In post 3405, MathBlade wrote:And scums dying would be great. However I think it is best to lynch me.

I see increasing to lynch beautiful women for no reason

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:12 am

In post 3475, SilverWolf wrote:I'm a doctor, full BP, vigilante, tracker yo.

knew you were town

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:22 am

In post 3482, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 3481, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 3475, SilverWolf wrote:I'm a doctor, full BP, vigilante, tracker yo.

knew you were town

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I also am a wolf-horse.

I knew that too lol

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:24 am

In post 3483, MathBlade wrote:You mean how VF couldn't be told he was protected because it was against site meta?

Three investigative roles are against site meta?

Are we really going to go against site meta or are we going to use our brains here?

ABR IS NOT A GOOD LYNCH TODAY OR ANY DAY!

I disagree. He cannot be trusted. The more we argue over him the longer it will take us to find the rest of the scum.

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:48 am

I was thinking more about the tracker role. If I was a tracker and we had a claimed cop that no one believed, I would have been tracking that cop to find out if he was truly investigating who he said he was. And I would do that before leading the charge to lynch him the next day.

So why, if abr believed Viking was lying about being the cop, wouldn't He have followed him the first night to prove or disprove his claim? It doesn't make any sense to track someone else.

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 8:55 am

In post 3489, T S O wrote:I think MathBlade -did- get tracked to Ellie last night. I think she doesn't want ABR to flip because she knows this is an actual result and if ABR flips Tracker she's dead the next day.

Logical, but I don't believe abr is a tracker. Nor do I think math would be asking us to kill her if she was scum who killed ellie.

It's more likely that abr is bluffing and she fell for it. But that doesn't make her suicide request rational

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:22 am

In post 3497, MathBlade wrote:Ellie if you are watching this for the love of all that is holy I hate this role.

The RNG gods have their reward.

Please don't do this. I have no argument other than knowing ABR and what he is doing and why that makes him town. I would rather not lynch any town but if we have to lynch a town it should be me.

Crazy idea. If you are both town, vote for someone who isnt

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:24 am

NJ would prob. my second choice at this point. So if abr is not lynched he would be my default.

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:44 pm

If you are so sure NJ is scum why not vig. Him?

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:45 pm

I'm heavily leaning town on tso. I just don't see him getting like this as scum

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:47 pm

In post 3561, dragonspawn wrote:If you are so sure NJ is scum why not vig. Him?

Elusive?

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 4:57 pm

In post 3603, elusive wrote:@WAKE

ABR's play to get the claimed cop killed by fake claiming does not make sense from a scum perspective, what benefit does it give him in terms of the long game and also if he were scum why would he fake claim to get VF lynched when he couldn't be sure to his claim being true or false and most likely would know it to be false, why not do something like mafia roleblock since this seems like a role heavy game, so therefore he is either extremely bad anti-town town or third party but I doubt he's scum especially since VF was roleblocked on his first night therefore there was no need to kill him in that public spectacle fashion.

dragonspawn, why don't you stop making stupid suggestions.

So you are going to have abr vig killed if he survives and you threaten to vig kill wake but vig killing nj who is likely scum is stupid?

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:05 pm

In post 3603, elusive wrote:@WAKE

ABR's play to get the claimed cop killed by fake claiming does not make sense from a scum perspective, what benefit does it give him in terms of the long game and also if he were scum why would he fake claim to get VF lynched when he couldn't be sure to his claim being true or false and most likely would know it to be false, why not do something like mafia roleblock since this seems like a role heavy game, so therefore he is either extremely bad anti-town town or third party but I doubt he's scum especially since VF was roleblocked on his first night therefore there was no need to kill him in that public spectacle fashion.

dragonspawn, why don't you stop making stupid suggestions.

Btw the role blocker was dead. There wasn't an option for it on future nights.

Abr, if scum might simply have realized if Viking really is the cop and doesn't get lynched he may as well take advantage of vikings outrageous story and fake claim to get him lynched so his partners don't have to worry.

If I was scum and expected to be lynched, and I could get a cop lynchedbinstead, I'd do it in a heartbeat and try the "why would I do that if i were scum?" argument to keep town from focusing on my buddies

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:29 pm

Hey elusive can you explain how the scum could have role blocked Viking after their rb was dead

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:34 pm

In post 3635, elusive wrote:
In post 3633, dragonspawn wrote:Hey elusive can you explain how the scum could have role blocked Viking after their rb was dead

No, but the doctor is dead so they would have a better shot at him yeah?

Assuming no second doc

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:39 pm

In post 3640, elusive wrote:Ok SW. I can't think anymore.

Sweet dreams and all.

MB, vanilla with caramel syrup and gummi bears for you

Dragon, I may or may not be the second doc non consecutive. I may just be an ice cold strawberry lemonade. I want one so badly right now.

HYPO THETICALLY

THETICALLY HYPE

If you are I hope you'd be prudent enough not to tell the entire game

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 09, 2015 3:42 am

Our town sucks this game. Too many people lying.

now wake is replacing out, not sure what to think of that.

I'm still not liking NJ and good morning still seems like gloating scum who just so happens to vote for me when I was calling him on his scumminess yesterday.

I'm going to watch a bit before voting.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:23 am

In post 3699, FakedBlogger wrote:
In post 3671, Nobody Special wrote:
Vote: NakedJogger

Does anyone want to lynch this guy?

for voting you? Not really. Got a real case?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:03 am

VOTE: good morning

the more I think about her the more nor my instincts tell me she is boasting scum.

add to that that I didn't like the slot prior to her subbing in, it just feels right.

elusive my second choice is NJ.

I'm also little annoyed with wake this game. He hammers Viking out of the blue. Isn't answering alot of questions and now wants out because town is lying. We wouldn't be Herod not for his bad play

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:25 pm

In post 3728, Aeronaut wrote:@ Dragonspawn, what's your read on NJ
@ NJ, what's your read on Dragon?

I've been saying he is scum from day 1. He has gotten worse.

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:49 am

In post 3849, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 3837, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 3826, Aeronaut wrote:Ika can we get a vc

I am trying to pin down a motivation for this post.

I am not succeeding.

Why do you think asking for a vc is alignment indicative in the least?

I doubt it is. But it is odd when no one has votes yet.

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:27 pm

Vote good morning

Nothing has really changed for me.

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:06 pm

In post 3873, Aeronaut wrote:Don't know why that whole thing was quoted :/

Anyway, dragon, please answer this.

In post 3688, dragonspawn wrote:Our town sucks this game. Too many people lying.

now wake is replacing out, not sure what to think of that.

I'm still not liking NJ and good morning still seems like gloating scum who just so happens to vote for me when I was calling him on his scumminess yesterday.

I'm going to watch a bit before voting.

Can you clarify what you mean by Boasting Scum? Why wouldn't scum be trying to look depressed at a mislyched, instead of boasting and looking happy?

Not necessarily. If scum is trying to build town cred what better way then reminding us that they were not fooled into lynching a pr? So follow their wise judgment.

If you disagree, fine. But gm is my vote

dragonspawn · Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:21 am

In post 3897, Shinobi wrote:So.

Uh.

Meh.

do you have any intention of doing anything else this game? Or are you just going to post like that while the rest of us work and put ourselves on the line?

dragonspawn · Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:00 am

In post 3899, Aeronaut wrote::/

Please lynch that^ please I can't look at it anymore

then make a case. Scum hunt for a change.

dragonspawn · Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:08 am

In post 3903, Cheetory6 wrote:This game is boring.
I don't miss the fucking trainwreck that this game was a few cycles ago, but did we really have to slip onto the other end of the spectrum into watching paint dry territory?

Hi Dragon, tell me about GM. Is it just the gloating bit that you were talking about that made you feel like she's scum or is there more to it than that?

Pretty much.

Slight town read for tso. He just feels town this game.

dragonspawn · Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:26 am

I will be gone Sunday and back Monday. Try not to flashlynch anyone in the mean time.

dragonspawn · Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:15 pm

In post 3968, elusive wrote:I never said I want to kill NS. TSO said that. I am against due to in-thread reasons unless I'm making a huge Fail which I hope not. I want TSO to respond to what I asked him.

SilverWolf, I'm the closest thing to confirmed town in this game right now. So yeah.

Not sure how you are confirmed town. Though you aren't high on my list at the moment

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:43 am

I'm not particularly leaning towards an fa lynch but I won't object if their is a hammer. I just would much prefer hitting gm.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:46 am

In post 4034, Kitz wrote:Somewhat "intend to hammer". If all agrees to lynch but lacks a last vote and the rest doesn't vote, then sure, hammer.
For now, let everyone talk.

We have like a whole week, aye? But it'll be stupid to waste that week with absolutely no needed or constructive discussion.

Since when has waste been considered before?

I'd love more discussion. Hammering Viking while I was gone pissed me off. It gave me no time to react to Abr's counter claim.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:05 pm

Crazy idea. Shutdowns someone invoke so we don't have a wakelike hammer

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:06 pm

I don't know how why doesn't someone turns into shutdown

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:12 pm

Wasn't sure about FA earlier but the sheer lack of people opposing the lynch has me guessing he is town.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:49 am

In post 4087, Marquis wrote:VOTE: tso

didn't finish reading but i like this right now. a lot.

Why?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:23 am

In post 4103, Cheetory6 wrote:Dragon why does TSO feel town to you.
Articulate it.

because his posts feel genuinely annoyed with the towns bad play. Scum wouldn't be genuine in the least.

and because I never liked the way the tso wagon sprung up.

I've seen little to change my mind on it.

I'm not planning on voting for someone unless I feel they are scum. If you guys don't like it. Lynch me.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:21 am

In post 4115, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4108, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 4103, Cheetory6 wrote:Dragon why does TSO feel town to you.
Articulate it.

because his posts feel genuinely annoyed with the towns bad play. Scum wouldn't be genuine in the least.

Seriously? There's nothing fun about winning a game because the Town imploded.

that's lame. Scum would be actively trying to make town implode

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:13 am

Simply because I hunt differently than you doesn't mean I'm not hunting.

where has aero been lately though?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 17, 2015 9:53 am

VOTE: marquis

I'd prefer gm. But as that doesn't happen and I don't care for the fa wagon I may as well jump on the counter wagon.

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:50 am

In post 4174, Marquis wrote:VOTE: aeronaut

fuck it i want this dead

Jumping around at different people isn't likely to help your case

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:18 pm

In post 4198, T S O wrote:I'm going to say exactly what I said in Completely Ridiculous: one scum lynch. That's all we need. The game will fall open if we get it.

I choked in Completely Ridiculous like fuck and I'd dearly love to redeem myself for that fuck-up.

so where do we start for that one lynch?

dragonspawn · Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:30 pm

Oz, are you calculating 1 nk and the mislynch or 2 nk and the mislynch?

I dont think your calculations are correct but I'll look over it again.

dragonspawn · Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:12 am

Are we at L1 for FA now?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:19 am

In post 4325, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4323, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4317, Kitz wrote:Quick ISO with " NS" on the search. You crumbed him, and saw him out.

So did myself and TSO.

In post 4319, T S O wrote:I am starting to doubt the authenticity of the Serial Killer as well - one night of 3 kills out of 5 nights has me skeptical.

I agree. 1-Shot Vig maybe? But then what?

Or maybe we have some sort of blocking/protecting role that's getting very lucky.

Eh. probably no mileage in speculation anyway.

I should probably do some ISOs or something. There are still too many players in this game, I swear.

I doubt there's an SK in this game with only one kill per night the last 3 nights unless the doc has been doing a fantastic job of blocking every time. I'm pretty sure if there's a vig, it's one-shot and was used N1. I can't explain the 3 kill attempts N1. I have no idea.

I find trying to outguess the mod is a waste of time. I do it a lot but it never works so..........................No idea.

If there were only two and a certain cop were lying for some reason, I think that's possible. But we will never know till it's over.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:25 am

In post 4331, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4328, Kitz wrote:
In post 4324, SilverWolf wrote:It's not uncommon for the doc not to reveal if they healed anyone or not. That info. isn't revealed until post game or if the doc claims for some reason. Doc's playing scummy is not unusual either.

Red flag. A Doctor should reveal at that point if all he managed to heal are still alive. It would aid us in finding Scum, and do a process of elemination.
None had claimed to be healed. What's a good doctor if he can only heal to prolong but not aid in the slightest towards finding Scum? Continous mislynches outweights outing self in order to find multiple scum.

Unpopular opinion there.

SilverWolf retains the popular opinion, actually.
Doctors are more useful alive than dead, and when in a potentially multiball game with who-knows-what blocking roles or other protective ones, outing their protects doesn't serve to clear anyone as Town (could be Scum targeted by Wolf, kill could have been stopped by someone not the Doctor, etc). So all a Doc claiming would do is get him killed.

UTR stands for 'under the radar.'
NS said
TWO
non-consecutive Docs. Only one had flipped. He very plainly meant that he was the other.

Oh and now you picked up the doc crumbs and can't resist boasting how obvious it is.

Can we lynch this scum today?

vote gm

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:37 am

In post 4338, SilverWolf wrote:Ummm dragon? GM is not the only one who picked up on that. Several of us did. How on Earth does that make her scum?

Kitz-I'll answer it later and yeah, I need to save things somewhere else before posting if they are long-have lots of quotes in them.

Well scum had to figure it out, so logically those announcing they knew it are scum candidates.

Gm can't help bragging about

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:50 am

Voting for scum.

Nothing has changed since yesterday other than the fact that it's obvious she knew ns was a doc.

What's ridiculous is that town lynched fa when it was obvious by the end that he was town. And now we ignore scum that rubs it in our faces.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:11 am

In post 4357, T S O wrote:
In post 4354, dragonspawn wrote:Voting for scum.

Nothing has changed since yesterday other than the fact that it's obvious she knew ns was a doc.

What's ridiculous is that town lynched fa when it was obvious by the end that he was town. And now we ignore scum that rubs it in our faces.

This is very true - she did know NS was a Doctor. What doesn't make sense is why she thought it would be a good idea to delay killing him for 3 days while he potentially blocked her team's kills.

How do we really know she knew that long?

Who knows why scum do things?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:13 am

In post 4358, T S O wrote:I want to spontaneously lynch Aeronaut I just do

I understand the sentiment. The fact that he is lurking a lot lately is bothering me. When he isn't he pops long enough to tunnel me and then tends to disappear for a while.

Of course with the town drama that has been going on among us it may simply be a way to avoid being drawn it.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:17 am

In post 4365, T S O wrote:Scum are usually a lot more rational than they're given credit for.

I would bet a significant amount of money goodmorning got that crumb.

Depends on the scum. And to be fair, nowadays people think a lot of stupid things are rational when they aren't.

Though this set of scum is acting more rationally. Things to think about.

Unvote

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:24 am

I dropped gm when it was obvious no one was interested in lynching her and when they wanted to lynch fa with little push back. It was obvious at that point he was likely town cause there would have been some resistence if he was scum. I spent the rest of my time pushing marquis yesterday. Since I felt he was a better alternative and needed more attention. And unlike you I'm not lurking.

However I am thinking maybe some wagon analysis would help since chances are comeback was pushing fa.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:27 am

In post 4370, SilverWolf wrote:Interesting how you suddenly unvoted GM after trying to lynch her for days dragon.

Did you sense resistance and give up? How much conviction did you have in the first place?

Was unaware she was aware of the doc for several days. I thought it prudent to look into the claim more with that being the case and realizing how the scum are being strategic for their kills.

She is still a suspect. Been suspecting that slot all game but we've had enough blunders without blindly pushing something without analysing new information.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:28 am

In post 4372, Aeronaut wrote:Wouldn't that mean that GM was more likely to be scum in your eyes, since there's more resistance?

You're assuming my Unvote means I'm not suspicious of her.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:53 am

In post 3987, T S O wrote:Townpoints to gm for that, I guess.

Were the town points for noticing ns was the doc?

Wolf, when did you realize he was a doc?

Who else openly knew?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:57 am

In post 4376, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4351, Aeronaut wrote:She's literally not bragging about anything. You're trying to make a case where there isn't one

I bragged about being right on viking, but that was a while ago.

In post 4354, dragonspawn wrote:Nothing has changed since yesterday other than the fact that it's obvious she knew ns was a doc.

Yeah, but I've known that for a couple Days now, so...

In post 4363, dragonspawn wrote:How do we really know she knew that long?

Because I literally talked to TSO about it, literally in the literal thread?

In post 4364, T S O wrote:I don't know. I just read a recent post of his and the idea suddenly came to here that I don't and I haven't ever really felt Aero is really in this game and really wants to kill scum. He reminds me of me when I play scum sometimes, just chugging along and posting enough to get by, not attracting attention.

It could just be me, but I'd like others to think about it. Yes, gm, you too.

It reads apathetic Town to me. I mean, I'm pretty much playing the same way.

In post 4371, dragonspawn wrote:there would have been some resistence if he was scum.

Again with this? How do you explain all the resistance on the ABR wagon? He wasn't Scum.

In post 4373, dragonspawn wrote:Was unaware she was aware of the doc for several days. I thought it prudent to look into the claim more with that being the case and realizing how the scum are being strategic for their kills.

She is still a suspect. Been suspecting that slot all game but we've had enough blunders without blindly pushing something without analysing new information.

I feel like you've been trying to push a case on me without actually reading any of my posts. It's annoying.

I feel the same.

And I addressed your argument earlier. Opposition to a wagon wouldn't be a tell either way because both scum and town might have reasons to oppose a wagon.

But a lack of opposition would be an indication of town because if the town thinks someone is scum who isn't the scum would want the mislynch and have no reason to oppose town

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:01 am

In post 4377, Marquis wrote:
In post 4376, goodmorning wrote:I feel like you've been trying to push a case on me without actually reading any of my posts. It's annoying.

just for the record, do you think he's town or scum for it? sorry if i just didn't catch it earlier, but there seems to be a lot of annoyance over his actions without much indication of reads on him (from you and some others, including tso)

personally i'm coming around to thinking it's a lazy town stubborn push. it's been putting dragon more and more into the crosshairs for a lynch lately so i would think he or someone on his team would have had him stop by now if scum.

leaving for real now i think

Not being lazy. Just playing several games at the moment dividing my attention so I miss things occasionally.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:08 am

In post 4384, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4380, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 3987, T S O wrote:Townpoints to gm for that, I guess.

Were the town points for noticing ns was the doc?

Wolf, when did you realize he was a doc?

Who else openly knew?

Back when he crumbed it and TSO and GM were talking about it.

I think elusive knew as well since she made a few comments about how that was a bad vote. Probably some other people I can't remember.

And your point is?

Not making a point. I'm gathering info, not arguing.

Where is elusive anyway?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:41 am

Didn't Abr say he followed shining?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:47 am

In post 4391, Shinobi wrote:Do people even try to spell my name properly anymore?

The constant misspellings are so amusing.

Autocorrect sucks. I should just save your name so it stops doing it shinobi

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:49 am

Don't know if Abr was telling the truth on shinobi but I'm guessing he was. Which was one of the reasons I stopped pushing him as hard. Him not going anywhere doesn't prove anything but I'd rather look elsewhere today.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:53 am

I'd still prefer to look elsewhere.

Why don't we look at some of the fa push? There has to be at least one scum there.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:04 am

I don't see why looking elsewhere today is upsetting you guys so much. Especially since none of you are voting for him.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:06 am

I've backed off of gm for the moment.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:12 am

In post 4406, Ozgin wrote:
In post 4405, dragonspawn wrote:I've backed off of gm for the moment.

Fair, but why
did
you think she was scum, exactly? Be spiecific, please?

Ask your neighbor.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:28 am

I think it's self evident what it means.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:36 am

In post 4420, T S O wrote:Ozgin is not in a neighbourhood.

And how would you know that?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:44 am

In post 4423, T S O wrote:What interests me is how -you- know this.

House told me day 1.

We had an entire conversation on it.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:51 am

In post 433, House wrote:VOTE: vikingfan

Sheeping my neigh...ing horse!

In post 439, House wrote:
In post 435, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 433, House wrote:VOTE: vikingfan

Sheeping my neigh...ing horse!

Interesting.

It was either him or you. Fortunately for you, I place more stock in the reads of others than I do my own.

We'll see how it pans out.

In post 442, House wrote:
In post 441, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 439, House wrote:
In post 435, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 433, House wrote:VOTE: vikingfan

Sheeping my neigh...ing horse!

Interesting.

It was either him or you. Fortunately for you, I place more stock in the reads of others than I do my own.

We'll see how it pans out.

Oh that's not what I found interesting.

I'm starting to think you are prob town but I'm not totally sure.

Why are you even leaning that way?

You never even consider the possibility that I'm town.

Starting to wonder if I made the right choice. <_<

In post 575, House wrote:
In post 562, dragonspawn wrote:@house what type of horse do you have? What does he or she look like?

like vampires it's a far more intriguing topic than alot of what has been going on this game.

Like some horses in some ways, different from other horses in others. You know, like other horses.

She has hair, four legs, and a tail.

What did you expect my horse to look like?

Pretty much it.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:57 am

In post 4428, T S O wrote:...SilverWolf?

Yes. Not sure if there are any others.

I didn't see any point announcing it earlier but we are later in the game and I think it's fair we know more.

I do have to wonder why anyone seriously thought I was asking fluff about horses though

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:18 pm

In post 4432, SilverWolf wrote:dragon-tell me why you outed this now?

We need more info. The town is getting killed by the scum. Transparency is the best way we are going to catch them.

Is it just you and oz or is there a third member?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:33 pm

VOTE: cheetory

Looked at fa wagon and used a process of elimination figure it's a good place to start.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:15 pm

Because I don't need to ask your permission to do things.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:14 pm

If I'm scum what's my reason for outting you?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 23, 2015 3:37 pm

So did house tell you why he crumbled to begin with?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:02 am

For timing, we have lost quite a bit of the town. There aren't a ton of us anymore, town doesn't need another group of people hiding at this point. And there is no guarantee the two of you are both town. As our numbers dwindle the odds of you having scum in the hood increase.

You still haven't answered if there are more that just ozgin and you wolf.

Did it occur to you that house might have ulterior motives for crumbing? He is quite shrewd. I haven't decided.

@cheetory should seem that odd to you why I'm not voting for you and not marques. I pushed marques yesterday because of the two wagons i felt he would be more likely to be scum. Fa was obviously town to me at that point as I've explained before. He is also a decent player so I figured marquis looked scummier of the two.

We are at the beginning of a new day. There are no wagons going on yet. I took a look at gas lynchers tso looks town, so does wolf, my push on gm seems less likely to result in scum with the information from our previous discussion. I went with the choice that looked yummiest in the leftovers.

I take it you aren't happy that I'm voting for you?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:03 am

In post 4463, SilverWolf wrote:Kitz: I haven't forgotten about your original big post either.

Also, I have some stuff posted in the hood on a couple people I need to get post links for and then post but there's this little matter of time!!

Relax wolf. Day just started.no one is going to rush a lynch

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:39 am

[quote="In post 4468, SilverWolf"][/quote]

No. Sorry to disappoint wolf.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:15 pm

In post 4514, Shinobi wrote:Kitz how does that make any sense?

Who says this game needs to make sense? It hasn't made sense yet.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:29 pm

Wolf I've been town reading you since the beginning of the game. I've got too many games right now. I'm not sure about oz.

Quite frankly I'm feeling burnt out tonight. I thought about subbing out but I don't want to be a dick to ika and don't like backing down from my commitments.

If you guys want to lynch me I understand. But I'm genuinely am town.

I feel like we are still in day 1 mode and not any closer.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:33 pm

I keep getting mixed vibes on aero. There are times when I think he is definitely Town. And yet there is something nagging me about him. Maybe it's the fact that he has been tunnelling me all game. It irritates me because I can't define it.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:36 pm

In post 4520, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4518, dragonspawn wrote:Wolf I've been town reading you since the beginning of the game. I've got too many games right now. I'm not sure about oz.

Quite frankly I'm feeling burnt out tonight. I thought about subbing out but I don't want to be a dick to ika and don't like backing down from my commitments.

If you guys want to lynch me I understand. But I'm genuinely am town.

I feel like we are still in day 1 mode and not any closer.

OK, OK, don't sub out. Calm down. Let me just think about this for a minute. You freaked me out when you outed my neighbourhood. Just relax. I'm not screaming for your lynch or anything like that right now. We have plenty of time.

I am calm. Just indifferent at the moment. And I'm not subbing out. Just thinking out loud.

I'm not worried about you wanting to lynch me. It's a game. Probably doesn't help that I have three toddlers running around at the moment.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 4522, Shinobi wrote:
In post 4519, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4517, Shinobi wrote:What about Aeronaut?

So far, a town vibe on Aero.

Do you think otherwise?

I'm open to other opinions on any one in the game because I kind of feel lost to be totally honest.

I don't know. He's just kind of been here and I don't really see anyone talking about him much at all.

So...Why not Aeronaut?

I really don't have a good answer to that question.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:39 pm

In post 4525, Shinobi wrote:
In post 4521, dragonspawn wrote:I keep getting mixed vibes on aero. There are times when I think he is definitely Town. And yet there is something nagging me about him. Maybe it's the fact that he has been tunnelling me all game. It irritates me because I can't define it.

Forgive me if I've overlooked it, but have you ever gotten the vibe that he's been listening to you at all or is he just tunneling you for the sake of tunneling you?

I really have no clue. Which doesn't help, I know.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:48 pm

Not sure what to think about elusive either.

We had some prs arguing for her being town. Been through everything from day one on her Isis several times and can't figure it out. I guess I'm slow in that regard.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:50 pm

That was isos. Hate autocorrect. I have to say that multiple times a day

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:46 pm

Considering I'm currently voting for cheery, I would think that you can figure it out. I've also mentioned being unsure of oz and you. And I'm not exactly town reading marquis either. Check I've been asking myself about wolf too through I'm fairly certain she is town.

I'm looking at everyone to some degree. I've thought I made that clear the last few pages.

You sure you've been listening carefully? Or am I really that bad at communicating?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:46 pm

Cheetory

dragonspawn · Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:43 pm

I'm a little confused tso. Weren't you the one trying to persuade me that I was off on scum reading gm? Now you'll be looking into her after marquis if he flips scum?

dragonspawn · Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:36 am

In post 4352, T S O wrote:My theory is: the reason Nobody Special was kept alive until now was because scum didn't know about him. Once they figured it out, they shot him. It would not have been difficult to figure it out - but this does make me feel better about goodmorning-town, given she knew for multiple days.

seems more of a town read than a null read. But maybe I'm missing something.

dragonspawn · Sat Mar 28, 2015 4:01 am

So what changed to make her go from a town to a null read. She has been apathetic, borderline not playing, and having trouble articulating reads might st the game. But you were town reading her then and now not. Why?

dragonspawn · Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:40 am

In post 4651, SilverWolf wrote:I still believe GM to be town.

I'm not 100% convinces she is town. But I still don't get the shifts in tso's read of her. She hasn't changed game play. At least not that I've noticed. Something feels off there. Not sure what it is yet though.

dragonspawn · Sat Mar 28, 2015 11:28 am

In post 4659, SilverWolf wrote:Here's the reason Shinobi gave for a Kitz lynch. Does it make sense to you guys?

In post 4614, Shinobi wrote:
I've also explained that killing Kitz would be grand because she keeps calling me mafia for little to nothing, and it seems like she keeps coming up with excuses to scumread me. She's been on about lynching me since day 1 and hasn't really ever gotten to it nor has she had any interest in questioning me.

not to me. In fact shinobis behavior I'd making me second guess my read of him.

dragonspawn · Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:46 pm

In post 4850, T S O wrote:
In post 4847, Shinobi wrote:
In post 4842, T S O wrote:Shinobi please stop going after Kitz and fucking vote Marquis before he manipulates the Newbies into thinking I'm the SK or whatever his bullshit scenario is

I don't get sucked into "him v me" scenarios, sorry.

I'll comment on it when it matters.

I'm claiming the last living town PR, the only player who's got scum to date, Marquis is attempting to discredit it
because he knows he dies today if he can't do so
. I feel this calls for a comment.

Isn't elusive claiming something? Is she still playing or did I miss that?

dragonspawn · Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:20 pm

In post 4938, Aeronaut wrote:And let's be honest, lynching Marquis is going to be a mislynch.

How do you know?

dragonspawn · Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:34 pm

Fully caught up.

Tso is definitely the vig. Lynching him would be stupid at this point.

I'm not totally sold on marquis being scum though. But I dislike his desire to lynch tso. I also don't like the way aero and elusive have been protecting him. Feels off.

Not liking shinobis's desire to lynch people for fun.

And now that I've read elusives return posts I'm not really liking the attitude in them. Nor am I seeing why we should accept that she has a pr.

Given everything ill sheep tso. VOTE: marquis

Oh and I don't think we had three nk attempt on day 1. I think Viking was making it up because he couldn't explain why he wasn't dead. But that's my theory.

dragonspawn · Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:36 pm

In post 4965, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 4964, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 4938, Aeronaut wrote:And let's be honest, lynching Marquis is going to be a mislynch.

How do you know?

Idk, I'm pretty sure he's town at this point. Aren't you?

@Shinobi, Ok. I gave my reasons. Now you can't complain about nobody giving their reasons anymore

Not at all.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:36 am

In post 4978, Kitz wrote:
In post 4899, T S O wrote:
In post 4897, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4888, Kitz wrote:Just a curious thing.
Why T S O over Wolf?

Do you ever see it possible to lynch Wolf?
Nope. Free townie roaming about.

WTF are you talking about?

Pretty much this, Kitz, no idea what this means.

What I said is that town players like Wolf is still alive.
If I was Scum, I'd target Wolf so that the whole game disrupted with less trusted players and way more confusion. (If I didn't see a PR, obviously)
For the same anti-reason, if I was a doctor I target her as well.

I'm not convinced by T S O's psychologic "Think I was attacked and healed" with no feedback, because Boon and NS are the same exact roles.
If he's correct on targeting Math out of policy, it means this : Either he's a Scum (and obviously lie), or he's a Town (with the host having made an error) being the only one to succeed an attack on the third night.

Multiple nights with just a single kill, I'm having a fair idea that the Mafia with all their PR's and shit should know who's a target and whose not, and if there's a SK he should know who's unable to die and stuff.

Anyway, missing kills and certain players being still alive, it makes me suspicious of them.
I'm really bad as voicing opinions, but I hope you get the message.

If there's two Vigilantes, and there's the non-consequent kind, why not act either night 3 or 4, Vig 2?

Why are you giving ideas to the scum?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:41 am

In post 4993, Kitz wrote:
In post 4991, T S O wrote:I know I'm going to end up putting Kitz in the townbloc eventually, so let's cut to that.

Aeronaut, elusive and Ozgin.

This probably might be a bit selfish to say, but I'd like to put Aeronaut and Elusive on the town spot for their behavior towards me, when I'm a low hanging fruit for scum to pick on.

Also analyzing the players, I really don't see any possible associates for T S O, so town or neutral killer.
Here's an extremely unpopular opinion : If he's SK, he want to kill Mafia so he doesn't get "outnumbered" and loose, so we should keep him around for now.
So, regardless of town vigi or serial killer, Mafia's going down.

If he was a sk, he wouldn't have outted himself. We may not lynch a claimed vigilante, but the scum will not hesitate to nk one. Outting himself almost certainly guarantees a lose for sk.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:42 am

In post 4995, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4989, T S O wrote:And, in case people don't remember this - Wake hammered the town fucking cop d2.

See, things like this make me think you're either stupid or Scum, and I know you're not stupid.

How does reminding the town of wake's bad move, make him scum when he is trying to argue for a lynch of wakes slot?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:03 am

In post 4999, Kitz wrote:
In post 4996, dragonspawn wrote:Why are you giving ideas to the scum?

You're totally missing what I'm trying to say.

so enlighten me, what am I missing?

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:02 am

In post 5004, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4998, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 4995, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4989, T S O wrote:And, in case people don't remember this - Wake hammered the town fucking cop d2.

See, things like this make me think you're either stupid or Scum, and I know you're not stupid.

How does reminding the town of wake's bad move, make him scum when he is trying to argue for a lynch of wakes slot?

Everyone else on that wagon is equally complicit. The hammer carries no more weight than any other vote.
So you're equally complicit, and TSO, and SilverWolf, and Ozgin, and Shinobi. All carry equal weight.

TSO's I might actually weight heavier given how hard he pushed it.

except that wake's unexpected and undeclared hammer cut off discussion. I was away at the time abr fake claimed and I had no opportunity to evaluate it.

dragonspawn · Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:05 am

In post 5006, Kitz wrote:
In post 5003, dragonspawn wrote:so enlighten me, what am I missing?

Too town to live? Maybe scum is among them, so they wouldn't fire at self?
It's just food for thought.

except the scum seem to have been targeting power roles. So a living town read wouldn't be that surprising.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:01 am

Now we have a mass claiming. Who came up with this idea?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:05 am

Well forgive me if I don't want to claim at the moment. I've always been taught that I shouldn't do something just cause the other kids are doing it

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 4:51 am

In post 5080, T S O wrote:Is this just being stubborn, or not that? If it's the latter, then okay.

answering that kind of defeats the point.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:50 am

@ika what's the current vc?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:18 pm

Well it's obvious what elusive is claiming now.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:45 pm

In post 5118, T S O wrote:
In post 5105, T S O wrote:
In post 11, House wrote:VOTE: pisskop

For replacing into a scum slot.

It seems rather bizarre House called pisskop out on this given that pisskop was one of four replacements.

I get this was RVS, but still.

SilverWolf:
do you think scum-House would be gutsy enough to pull this?

I could see it.

but would scum house replace out?

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:50 pm

Yeah aero doesn't make much sense there.

dragonspawn · Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:55 pm

So gm goes firmly town now.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:41 am

I'm thinking the neighborizing thing again. Is it possible for a fake claim from the scum where their buddies verifies it? I'm not sure how likely that is but it makes me wonder.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:57 pm

Here is what I'm thinking now.

tso is still obviously a vigilante.

the fact that oz wants to lynch him claiming he is a SK instead of hunting scum makes me think that he is scum.

I think gm is probably town.

cheetory is more likely town since he doesn't care about the SK nonsense.

I'm still not sure about elusives claim.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:58 pm

In post 5231, Shinobi wrote:@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:18 pm

In post 5235, Shinobi wrote:
In post 5233, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 5231, Shinobi wrote:@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

Seriously?

and what reason do you think they have for only asking you about aero?

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:23 pm

In post 5246, Shinobi wrote:
In post 5245, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 5235, Shinobi wrote:
In post 5233, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 5231, Shinobi wrote:@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

Seriously?

and what reason do you think they have for only asking you about aero?

You tell me?

Pretty sure I did.

Btw that was a command not a question.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:24 pm

In post 5251, T S O wrote:Props to you, Marquis. You've engineered a scenario where your team won't bus, which is the correct play, and you've also convinced enough town members not to lynch you that you can't die today.

He hasn't survived yet.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:54 pm

In post 5257, Shinobi wrote:
In post 5253, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 5246, Shinobi wrote:
In post 5245, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 5235, Shinobi wrote:
In post 5233, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 5231, Shinobi wrote:@Ozgin: I already told you what I thought about Aero.
Specifically, why do people care about my case on Aero when I have 3 different scumreads? Nobody is asking about the other two but they're just harping on this one thing like it's the end-all-be-all of my play.

protecting aero?

Seriously?

and what reason do you think they have for only asking you about aero?

You tell me?

Pretty sure I did.

Btw that was a command not a question.

I'm not protecting Aero for you.

You're seriously not following this conversation

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:00 pm

In post 5283, Ozgin wrote:
In post 5247, T S O wrote:Your logic keeps falling to pieces in certain areas and you refuse to address these:

-Why the fuck did I kill Boonskiies n1 if I'm the SK?

I didn't say for certain that you did, but it's possible. Why did you kill pisskop if you're the vig? It could have been blind luck.

-Where's my n2 kill?

You could have missed your shot, because bulletproof people exist. Maybe you shot the same person that scum did.

-Where's the vig's kill n3 if I'm the SK?

Again, if there are 3 killing parties, it's possible for kills to overlap.

-Where's my n4 kill?

By this point you would have realized your claiming opportunity, and made the choice not to kill anyone.

-Why hasn't the vig counterclaimed me?

See below.

And, here's one for the road:

Why the fuck would I set up a Vig claim when the alive Vig would just counterclaim me?

So this is the most confusion part for me, because I simply don't know. This is where my gut has taken me, and this is the only point that I can't reason for. Something is fishy.

So even though I don't have all the answers, like I said: gut read. I'm not even calling for a lynch on you though, so your enormous reaction is strange to me.

Pedit:

I went to the store really quickly when I started this. Coming back to read the posts that happened while I was gone -- TSO, if Marquis is going to die no matter what today, tell me -- why do we have to lynch him? Why don't you shoot him and be venerated tomorrow as the great town vig who nailed a clean shot on a scum?

Again, something is fishy.

@dragonspawn - Why did you never respond to my post where I pointed out that you pretty much misrepped me by saying I wanted to lynch TSO?

Because despite the fact that you say you aren't pushing it, you still are.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:42 pm

I seriously dont see how any of you could argue that tso isn't town. His entire game play has been town from the beginning. He is obviously the vigilante. Why the heck is that so difficult to see?

i don't think we have a SK. I highly doubt tso was deliberately not shooting people to pretend to to be a nonconsecutive vigilante.

and oz, you can claim your being cautious all you want. The fact still remains that you keep going after tso rather than hunt scum. That seems scummy to me.

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:17 am

VOTE: aero

No point keeping it on marques at this point. I suspect aero. Seems like a good plan.

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 02, 2015 1:27 am

Of course I'm town. Should I have remained on marquis with little chance of that lynch when the wagon for one of my suspects takes off shortly before a lynch

I'm not as sold on marques not bussing aero though.

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 02, 2015 3:23 am

Largely process of elimination

add to that protests of innocence early in the game. Lack of real attempt to scum hunt post day 1. And a whole lot of gut at this point.

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 02, 2015 4:17 pm

In post 5461, Cheetory6 wrote:
Aero wrote:Why would Shinobi be nightkilled....
No I mean why are you more concerned with what will happen during night rather than what is happening right now?
It just seems like your priorities are weird and I'm trying to understand.

Another good question.

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:15 am

What time is the deadline?

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:37 am

I should have trusted my gut earlier.

Tso, take a shot. Look through everything and trust your gut.

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:40 am

Elusive is looking questionable to me.

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:43 am

Why would he joke after the hammer?

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:52 am

I'm glad my instincts aren't complete crap

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:59 am

In post 5521, Marquis wrote:
In post 5518, Ozgin wrote:and a lot of convincing by SilverWolf in the hood

wait i thought gm said your hood was only open one day??

Oz and wolf have been neighboring entire game.

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:01 am

In post 5520, Marquis wrote:ok i think dragon is town, and the reasons aren't as shallow as "he voted aero". gm, shinobi too.

i think elusive is sk. then kitz and maybe cheetory for mafia.

5505 should not be treated as an offhand comment. wolf could be mafia; my earlier townread on her makes me not want to consider it but i'll look more into her meta later. iirc her towngame is pretty emotional. we'll see.

I doubt we have a serial killer but I'm not at all convinced at elusives claim.

I guess we will find out soon enough.

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:20 am

In post 5541, Ozgin wrote:
In post 5535, Aeronaut wrote:I will say that TSO really should be lynched tomorrow. Because there's not a vig in this game.

What does this mean? Explain, now.

It means he wants us to lynch tso

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:31 am

Well he did admit he is scum. Are we really expecting anything else at this point?

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:38 am

Shoot whomever you please tso. Last thing we need is to telegraph a kill to the scum. Keep them guessing.

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:34 am

Not sure why it matters. Wolf is team jacob

dragonspawn · Sun Apr 05, 2015 5:58 pm

Nobody?

Roleblock or something?

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:15 am

Thinking about this, the only thing that makes sense to me is that we had a jail keep in gm and you both targeted her.

but that doesn't seem likely considering all the pr roles we've had.

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:48 am

I could see myself voting elusive but I don't want to pile on til we have more discussion.

she was obviously crumbing bp from early on and yet I didn't see anything where at the crumbs exactly?

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:49 am

In post 5631, goodmorning wrote:
In post 5601, T S O wrote:Straight up; I went for the goodmorning kill because Aeronaut was so against it, because I've thought she's scum all game, and because she was one of the people pushing the counterwagon to Aeronaut. Nothing happened.

oh fuck off

maybe i should have neighbourised you last night after all just so i could shout at you

In post 5607, SilverWolf wrote:If GM has neighborized again, that person should confirm it again today.

I didn't.

Anyway I'm not BP or anything, as far as I can tell there's no reason TSO shouldn't have been able to kill me, unless maybe Math was actually killed by the Mafia and TSO is in some way incapable of killing Town but that sounds a little too OP to be true.

So that means some kind of block/protect. RB, JK, something like that.

In post 5615, Kitz wrote:I have one question : Is either of these roles possible in Normal? Kill visitors, Multi-Direction-Shot.

I don't think so.

I'm totally chill with an elusive lynch today.

so a role block or jail keep? Maybe tso was jailed. It would explain the two misses.

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:15 am

Point I want to raise.

We believe gm to be a neighorizor on the word of aero and wolf. It is still possible that they are all scum.

Granted I still don't believe wolf is scum. But it's something we need to consider.

Gm why didn't you neighorize anyone again?

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:38 am

In post 5657, T S O wrote:
In post 5650, dragonspawn wrote:Point I want to raise.

We believe gm to be a neighorizor on the word of aero and wolf. It is still possible that they are all scum.

Granted I still don't believe wolf is scum. But it's something we need to consider.

Gm why didn't you neighorize anyone again?

Let her confirm this - this is also extremely tinfoil hat btw.

Yeah it's low probability. But it might be a reason to do a gm lynch

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:39 am

In post 5659, elusive wrote:LOL, she's voting me now because I said fuck off, that's real town play. LMAO.

Backwards. You told her to f off for voting for you.

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:46 am

I'd prefer to avoid a modkill as well.

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:58 am

Guys calm down.

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:42 pm

In post 5704, T S O wrote:Can we talk about Ozgin for a bit?

sounds like a plan to me.

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:21 pm

Oh yeah. You are in this game.

dragonspawn · Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:43 am

Tell me to f. Off all you want. Doesn't phase me.

dragonspawn · Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:46 am

You can call me anything though I'm not sure my wife would approve:)

dragonspawn · Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:03 am

GM, why we're you town reading aero so strongly?

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:49 am

In post 5774, Green Crayons wrote:
In post 5772, Kitz wrote:ABR gamethrew.

I was going to ISO ABR but there are 300 posts in that alone.

What do you mean by this?

day 1 abr claimed tracker

day 2 abr said he was mistaken and was vt.

later that day he counter claimed the cop to get our fop lynched.

day 3 he claimed tracker again. Was lynched and flipped tracker.

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:13 am

I haven't claimed anything nor will I.

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:03 pm

VOTE: oz

Seems a good place to start. He's been pinging me a while.

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:24 am

In post 5793, Shinobi wrote:Do people think Ozgin really hammered his partner after yesterday?

why not? Did he hammer your partner?

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:41 am

I'll try to see if I can't find something specific but I'm not sure I can articulate exactly why he is rubbing me the wrong way.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:36 am

I've been fairly suspicious of oz for a while. The lurking for one.

but I've been thinking alot about house. He was crumbing his neighborhood. At first I was thinking that is because he is town. I mean what scum would crumb being a hoody? Not exactly pr of the year there.

but I also know house well enough to realize that if he is being blatant then he wants it seen. I am thinking he wanted it known he was a neighbor enough to crumb it but not outright state it. Makes me think it was to mislead anyone who caught it into thinking he was town.

the biggest question mark I have is would scum house replace?

not sure but I'm willing to take a chance.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:07 am

In post 5840, goodmorning wrote:
In post 5839, dragonspawn wrote:the biggest question mark I have is would scum house replace?

Given that he replaced out because of a disagreement with the mod, I'd say his replace-out is pretty non-indicative.

I tend to agree. Otherwise I wouldn't be voting oz.

dragonspawn · Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:07 pm

This game is going slow this weekend.

Wasn't tso voting oz too?

VC reset after modkill

dragonspawn · Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:10 pm

In post 5868, Shinobi wrote:I'm pretty sure this game slowed down the way it has because TSO isn't here to stir everything up. Huh.

I do really want to read what Marquis has to say though.

Wolf and elusive being gone have slowed it up too

dragonspawn · Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:18 am

Some rl issues have come up that may keep me from posting as frequently as id like. I will try to keep up but I apologize if I'm a little distracted or silent.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:25 am

I haven't seen anything that makes me want to change my vote. Nor anything to give me a better candidate right now.

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:14 am

Is everyone voting yet and if not why not?

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:21 am

I think it's possible. Of you think house is scum are you voting for oz?

dragonspawn · Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:47 am

In post 5895, Cheetory6 wrote:Why would he do that though? :/

because he can. What other reason would house need?

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:03 am

I'm scumreading you for your behavior not house. House just makes it more likely.

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:11 pm

We have five days to a deadline and most of the living people haven't voted. What up with that? We can't even analyze votes since no one is bothering to vote. If town manages to win this game we so dont deserve it

dragonspawn · Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:13 pm

Who are your top scum reads shinobi?

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:11 am

In post 5910, goodmorning wrote:
In post 5905, dragonspawn wrote:We have five days to a deadline and most of the living people haven't voted. What up with that? We can't even analyze votes since no one is bothering to vote. If town manages to win this game we so dont deserve it

If analysing votes is your #1 way of scumhunting you should try something new.

Anyway we have time and I'm interested to see what TSO says when he gets back.

He was voting for oz before he left and my guess is he will be when he gets back unless he sees something I missed

dragonspawn · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:37 pm

Aero and wolf who you replaced

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:44 am

Wasn't expecting this. I don't particularly believe it. For one you aren't willing to say who you've tried to shoot and there really isn't any evidence of another role that's killing people.

and if you do think tso is the serial killer, why not just take him out? Why bother counter claiming at all?

I'll have to give wolf some kudos if you are scum.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:46 am

In post 5938, Green Crayons wrote:There was also a N4 target who is still alive.

which is who exactly? No reason to hold back now.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:52 am

VOTE: gc

we seem to be getting alot of nks blocked for having no docs left

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:53 am

Why would the shots be mandatory n2 & n3

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:55 am

What about them

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:03 am

In post 5947, Kitz wrote:
In post 5946, Kitz wrote:
In post 5945, dragonspawn wrote:Why would the shots be mandatory n2 & n3

Remember the ABR & Math incident?

Oh shit, I just said it loud.

Now they're going to claim having to shot Math.

not if there is really a serial killer. Which I highly doubt.

and neither tso nor GC claimed to attempt to kill our cop on n1. So someone is lying. And I doubt it's tso. Why? Because if he is a SK, then why would he target the cop?

did wolf show any signs of thinking pisscop was scum?

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:04 am

Btw if there is a third shooter why is only one of the supposed hits the missed come forward saying there was an attempt on their life?

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:11 am

Btw did you tell ozgin about you bring a 3 shot vig?

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:20 am

Seems to me that of tso was a serial killer abr would have been killed night 1. A claimed cop is no threat to a SK. A claimed tracker is.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:28 am

I say we flip GC.i do t believe the claim and the flip would give us crucial Information

good morning I highly recommend that if you are a neighborizer and GC flips scum you find a townie to neighborize.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:31 am

He didn't retract the tracker claim until day 2. To believe GC we have to believe that tso is a serial killer and that he targeted the claimed cop instead of the claimed tracker. That doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:35 am

In post 5956, goodmorning wrote:Right, so it isn't 2 Vigs because if it was one of them would be claiming the Boon kill (I assume Scum tried to kill the Cop claim for reasons that should be obvious).

So one of them is an SK. And it's GC.

Also, 3-Shot? Really? In a setup full of fulls and non-consecutives?

That said, we should leash GC. Crosskills will help us.

sounds to me you don't want to see the flip. I do. Because I can't help but notice the only two people who verified your claim is aero who is scum and GC/wolf who is likely lying

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:52 am

In post 5960, Green Crayons wrote:elusive was N4

Figured that we wouldn't want the BP player to be revealed to be BP.

But whatever.

elusive is dead. You said it was a living person.

and she wasn't bp

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:45 am

In post 6019, Green Crayons wrote:Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today. But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

I'm fake claiming but have no reason to fake claim.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:46 am

In post 6020, Green Crayons wrote:You lot are really the worst town.

scum slip much?

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:49 am

In post 6023, goodmorning wrote:
In post 5974, Green Crayons wrote:But you people think that SK would put himself in a 1v1 position outside of LYLO, so I guess y'all love not making sense.

Sure, if he thought he could win it.

In post 5975, Shinobi wrote:
In post 5974, Green Crayons wrote:But you people think that SK would put himself in a 1v1 position outside of LYLO, so I guess y'all love not making sense.

Yeah.

Why are we lynching the Sw slot?

We aren't. Neither GC nor TSO is likely to be groupscum in this situation, thus it doesn't make sense to lynch them today.

F U C K people please use some goddamned logic

NEITHER GC NOR TSO IS GROUPSCUM, THUS IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO LYNCH THEM TODAY

In post 6019, Green Crayons wrote:Ozgin is the 3-shot vig. His discussion in the PT looks super genuine, and I believe him 100%.

I claimed so scum would kill me tonight so I can get out of this game. And so you lot wouldn't lynch Ozgin today. But I'm not going to suffer a mislynch because town lynches a counter-claimer WHO HAS NO REASON TO FAKE COUNTERCLAIM.

If I see one more fucking fakeclaim in this game I am going to throw a fit.

now that you mention it, I'm totally a seer.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:53 am

In post 6039, Marquis wrote:Ozgin claims to have shot you but not successfully.

You also claim to have shot gm but not successfully.

The only manipulative role that's flipped out of 10 is a scum non-consecutive RB.

You full well know what the only logical SK power is in a game with a town vig, town vengeful, scumkill, and a load of other town PRs.

I think you know where I'm going with this, and probably already saw where I went with it earlier. Not really in the mood to have to spell it out.

not true. The claim was pisskop day 1 and elusive miss day 4.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:12 pm

Did oz tell wolf he was the vigilante or house?

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:13 pm

In post 6052, Marquis wrote:
In post 6049, goodmorning wrote:
In post 6039, Marquis wrote:Ozgin claims to have shot you but not successfully.

You also claim to have shot gm but not successfully.

Bizarrely, this would make TSO being JK'd the simplest option.

GC claimed, however, that elusive was N4 shot though who knows if that was true.

Last night was Night 5.

I actually think the most accurate option is that Mafia have a second Non-Consec RB and used it on TSO, who was saved from dying N5 by a BP vest (whether infinite or x-shot).

can you make his role any more complicated?

maybe tso is a mafia god or something. He can do whatever the heck he wants. Less convoluted that way.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:28 pm

Wasn't pssicop the role blocker or do you think we have a second one?

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 1:31 pm

Here is a crazy theory. Oz and wolf were scum pretending to be neighbors because of house faking some crumbs day 1. They never intended to public ally out the hood until I spilled the beans.

now we are getting close to lynching oz. The flip will show there is no hood. So the two of them are doi g what they can to confuse the heck out of us in hopes that we mislynch.

lynch GC. What do we have to lose? The nk will sort things out and expose any scum left who is left.

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:30 pm

I still say we lynch gc. It might help us figure this all out. And he wants out of the game anyway.

Maybe it's not.ideal but what the heck better options do we have at this point?

dragonspawn · Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:32 pm

We just need to lynch the scum and if we can't figure out who the scum are we.lynch the person most likely to give us the best information on it. Even if it was me that needed to be lynched. Let's just stop sitting back doing nothing and all vote for someone. Then when we are all voting we can argue which wagon is the best.

dragonspawn · Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:45 am

I'm not opposed to lynching marquis for being useless and doing nothing but complaining.

dragonspawn · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:23 am

Where the heck is this concept of a Bp SK coming from?

dragonspawn · Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:26 am

There is still little evidence that there is a SK or that you are a vigilante.

if we had a SK and a vigilante would have more nks. There isn't any real strong evidence of three nk attempts on night 1.