In post 4521, dragonspawn wrote:I keep getting mixed vibes on aero. There are times when I think he is definitely Town. And yet there is something nagging me about him. Maybe it's the fact that he has been tunnelling me all game. It irritates me because I can't define it.
Forgive me if I've overlooked it, but have you ever gotten the vibe that he's been listening to you at all or is he just tunneling you for the sake of tunneling you?
In post 4521, dragonspawn wrote:I keep getting mixed vibes on aero. There are times when I think he is definitely Town. And yet there is something nagging me about him. Maybe it's the fact that he has been tunnelling me all game. It irritates me because I can't define it.
Forgive me if I've overlooked it, but have you ever gotten the vibe that he's been listening to you at all or is he just tunneling you for the sake of tunneling you?
I really have no clue. Which doesn't help, I know.
I'm open to other opinions on any one in the game because I kind of feel lost to be totally honest.
I don't know. He's just kind of been here and I don't really see anyone talking about him much at all.
So...Why not Aeronaut?
Not sure, it's just kind of a townie vibe, kind of a little bit of gut but I'll admit I haven't looked into him a lot either. I would have to see a case or a post or something from someone showing he's scummy for me to look at I guess or re-ISO myself.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
conftown, town, nulltown, null, in flux/idk, nullscum, and scum.
cheetory and ozgin moved down because any content from them as of late has been nonexistent, unmemorable or just plain blah imo.
still no idea what to think of elusive. she's still here, right? idr
going back up to kitz, i'm nervous about that one. a lot of the plans and ideas she proposes don't make sense or are just plain wrong/bad, but. part of me thinks i might have just put her there to make myself feel better about finding townreads, but i'm feeling okay with it for now so not changing.
i've liked shinobi's recent backtrack regarding me, but i'm not sure how much of it is due to my own vanity. him saying me/him/tso are all town though is something that pinged because i disagree with it vehemently, but that's not really making me scumread him as much as just making me feel grossed out by it.
still don't like aero's earlier opportunism. haven't felt many thing noteworthy from him today, though. this read probably also could go under "idk", like shinobi, and probably elusive too. eh.
and tso is scum. apart from his overaggressive omgus and complete misrepresentation of my meta which he should well know by now, i actually cannot see a scenario where he's been a townread/trusted as a voice of reason amid the vf/abr/math insanity for this long and is alive and town.
We had some prs arguing for her being town. Been through everything from day one on her Isis several times and can't figure it out. I guess I'm slow in that regard.
In post 4529, Marquis wrote:
i actually cannot see a scenario where he's been a townread/trusted as a voice of reason amid the vf/abr/math insanity for this long and is alive and town.
Well, I've been thinking this on a few people. Why are they still alive? But you have to remember scum have been taking out PR's every night and there has been a protect role alive for quite awhile now, so I'm inclined not to use this as a method for scumreading anyone at this point in the game.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
In post 4482, Aeronaut wrote:TSO, how do you feel about dragonspawn this fine summer evening?
He feels extremely like mislynch bait.
I don't agree with this sentiment at all.
Vikingfan was lynchbait. He came in and was quickly wagoned D1. His posts were somewhat offputting, but were also pretty genuine. Dragonspawn's posts seem very ingenuine. He says things like "I leave for one day and you rush a lynch!", and along the lines of "Gee town we're sure failing" which reads to me as being fake as fuck. If you don't see that, you aren't looking hard enough.
He's far from lynchbait. Lynchbait, in my experiance, usually is a player who everybody is willing to lynch for not great reasoning. There's a ridiculous amount of resistance to any sort of wagon forming on him, which just makes me want to push it more. It should make you want to push it more too. It worries me that you can't see that.
In post 4496, T S O wrote:But, back on point: what scum motivation does dragonspawn have to out the neighbourhoods?
Because if he were town, he'd keep that kind of information under wraps. As scum, he doesn't give a fuck and just outs two neighbors to save himself from more questioning.
In post 4507, Kitz wrote:Soooo... Does this mean that this "neighbour" thing is confirmed town?
On another note, I wouldn't mind voting MQ, Shin or Aero.
Too bad it's all pretty much gut at this point.
Neighbors can be town or scum.
What happened to your Ogzin read?
In post 4518, dragonspawn wrote:Wolf I've been town reading you since the beginning of the game. I've got too many games right now. I'm not sure about oz.
Quite frankly I'm feeling burnt out tonight. I thought about subbing out but I don't want to be a dick to ika and don't like backing down from my commitments.
If you guys want to lynch me I understand. But I'm genuinely am town.
I feel like we are still in day 1 mode and not any closer.
I like this post more than any you've posted thus far. Can you elaborate on what you mean by Day 1 mode?
I'm open to other opinions on any one in the game because I kind of feel lost to be totally honest.
I don't know. He's just kind of been here and I don't really see anyone talking about him much at all.
So...Why not Aeronaut?
I kind of feel like that's how I feel about Shinobi, to be honest. However, I don't see that as alignment indicative. E.g. I don't think you're making an effort to stay under wraps, I think it's just been happening.
In post 4521, dragonspawn wrote:I keep getting mixed vibes on aero. There are times when I think he is definitely Town. And yet there is something nagging me about him. Maybe it's the fact that he has been tunnelling me all game. It irritates me because I can't define it.
Forgive me if I've overlooked it, but have you ever gotten the vibe that he's been listening to you at all or is he just tunneling you for the sake of tunneling you?
I've been listening to everything he's said. I don't like his case on goodmorning. I think it's pretty lazy, I'm pretty sure it's vote parking on an unviable lynch. Saying "Oh well GM is boasting scum", slapping a vote on, and then leaving until next dayphase is the definition of lazy voting.
Considering I'm currently voting for cheery, I would think that you can figure it out. I've also mentioned being unsure of oz and you. And I'm not exactly town reading marquis either. Check I've been asking myself about wolf too through I'm fairly certain she is town.
I'm looking at everyone to some degree. I've thought I made that clear the last few pages.
You sure you've been listening carefully? Or am I really that bad at communicating?
to be one mafia in the experienced player group of Shinobi/TSO/Marquis?
Doesn't Aeronaut fall under that category as well or what?
Because I'm paranoid and feel like scum knows what they are doing this game and IMO you three along with probably GM and Cheetory have the most skill at the game. I'm not saying this is a for sure thing but it is something I am at least looking at.
Cheetory and Wake posts incoming next.
Kitz-I re-looked at your wall and all those points have been addressed
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Having said that, experience is not alignment indicative at all. Anyone using that argument at this point in the game really should reevaluate what their doing.
I'm just going to post Cheetory and Wake posts that bug me and I'd like feedback one way or another on this because I can't decide between frustrated town or AtE/angry scum. Between town not having time to play or scum trying to get out of taking a stand.
Cheetory: 2542/2544 is AtE, 3903is more complaining now about game being boring, 4099 certain TSO is scum, 4113 and 4114 AtE, 4122-nobody cares AtE, 4124-it's all unfair AtE, 4188-MORE AtE, 4191-good lord the AtE is stiffling at this point, 4232-WTF? Suddenly TSO is NOT scum and FA looks good?, 4250-mockingly bad vote on FA
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Wake got a lot more on:
1482-no time to play, 1580-attacks Ellie badly when she calls him scum for good reasons, 1634-makes excuses when dragon asks good questions about where he stands, 1728-admits to not voting at all, 1738-hostile reaction to me asking him to take a stand on something, 1743-hostile reaction to me not being able to read him due to his play, 1748-hostile reaction to me asking him to vote, 1757-more scumreading me for questioning him-this is when we are near the end of the day and need his vote and he's wasting time here, 1808-first part is very bad response to elusive's good point, 2628-flippant response about too much to read and saying he's going to blow off the game, 2642-asked questions on players and refuses to take a stand, 3057-hammers VF, 3406/3422-outs Math as vengeful who was killed overnight, 3578, 3579, 3582-ooc anger and refusal to give any sort of reads, 3590-calls me scum for trying to calm him down which is random because that was a friendship thing, not a game thing on my part at least
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
Both of these posts are making me wonder if I am wrong to be scumreading them because dragon's seems genuine and Marquis' seems like those reads are pretty transparent and don't look fabricated at all.
So that's kind of why I'm re-thinking things and asking for input.
Cheetory's vote on the FA wagon is bad but most of his ISO doesn't look that bad except the things I pointed out.
I'm obviously conflicted on most of my reads.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.
The dragon one, I think I said it in my wall that that particular post was better than a lot of his previous; It made me want to work with him more at the very least. I still really dislike the rest of his ISO, though, so I don't really know if I'll be wavering much on him.
Marquis has seemed a lot better today compared to yesterday, in that he's still pretty sporadic, but it seems less like flailing and more like trying to find a foothold of this shit pile of a game.
Cheetory's ATE really has me sort of wondering there. I don't recall that happening in other games I've played with him, and frankly I feel like the thing between him in TSO is really bizarre. Might be worth looking back there.
You're one of the people who knows dragon from that other site, right? Is this indicative of his regular town game? Or does it seem different?
