New York 180 (Endgame)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Never fear.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Rampage (aka ABR)

What's up, elusive?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: pisskop

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still here

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Everyone not voting should vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone not voting should vote.

Speaking of voting, explain your vote on pisskop, please.

He appears scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And I'm not enthused by the TSO wagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@House

How Indeed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dragon seems to get himself in this position in every game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dragon seems to get himself in this position in every game.

yeah it gets me into trouble. Ironically if I didn't have some trouble everyone would think I'm scum for not playing usually. If I'm going to get scum read and into altercations with people I may as well have fun with it

Who are your top suspects and why?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: Boonskiies

Can we get rid of this?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Just lynch Boon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want Boon lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So...based on that you want to lynch viking?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who are you going to vote now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

stranger danger

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR - Scum. I haven't really been noticing ABR, and his ISO is terribad. Naked votes, bad pushes, and posting just enough to avoid prodding.

You should read Day 1 of any of the games we've been in together. I have a slow start. I always expect to get killed N1, once that hurdle is past, I get more invested into the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yet you want me lynched for the same reason. Interesting. Very very interesting.

You go after low hanging fruit like dragon. Our play this game has nothing in common.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do you think Boon and ABR being weird is playing safe? Because I honestly think their play is usually the opposite of safe from what I've seen of them in this game and other games.

What are you talking about? When have I ever been the type to talk a lot on Day 1, except if I'm extremely convinced of something?

[Albert B. Rampage]

The deadline is in 4 days. I don't have time for this. I'm the town tracker. Let's lynch someone else.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynch Boon.

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Just sheep my Boon vote...

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Yeah, that's true. I'm OK with lynching kitz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Kitz

[Albert B. Rampage]

More Kitz votes.

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Meh, I can't read Kitz.

Get out of here. You couldn't read me either yet didn't hesitate in calling me scum. Place your vote on Kitz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have no idea who you are, House should be better at reading me after all these games he's in with me.

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Or he should at least not call me scum on Day 1 when he's out of his depth.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Knowing you, you'll hop off the Kitz wagon and go after some other random player next, so I'll pass on sheeping a mystery onto a mystery.

Don't sheep me, sheep NJ.

Well, nice to meet you. I Boonskiies. I crazy. Love me.

Are you gay?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think ABR's claim is going to have to be confirmed later, but I think I believe viking's.

Why in the world do you have doubt about ABR's claim?

He didn't have nearly enough votes on him for it to be scum pressured into a fakeclaim.

ABR's PR claim was frustrated town wanting to get focus off himself and onto his own suspects.

Correct.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kitz is scumming up the thread. Trying to think of a realistic claim that hasn't been said, probably.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's sane. It's a normal game.

Roles which are explicitly Normal include:
Vanilla Townie, Sane Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Roleblocker, Mason, Innocent Child, Jailkeeper, Tracker, Watcher, Gunsmith, Miller, Bodyguard, Role Cop, Doublevoter, Hider, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Jack of All Trades, Serial Killer, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Goon, Mafia Traitor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia-aligned or SK-aligned versions of above roles

Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist, Jester, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum misdirection. Ignore and vote kitz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And just another thing. My english is weird.

That's curious. What is strange about it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Too many question marks joining Kitz, giving scum the opportunity to blend innocuously into the wagon.

I have to think.

Unvote

[Albert B. Rampage]

NJ said some stuff about kitz reads being scummy.

vote: kitz

[Albert B. Rampage]

The guy who posted above you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Klingon is town...lynch someone else.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Boonskiies

[Albert B. Rampage]

In interest of full disclosure Titus is my RL sister for those who don't know me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So what's it like being a sibling of Titus?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually ABR, mathblade and Titus are twins.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have absolutely no idea freaking how to read Math. If it's a good player, this is a massive wifom / gambit pileup.

He's not an accurate player. Usually wrong and very confident in his wrongness.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MathBlade is also very right sometimes.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR -- No I don't get things 100% right. But I am about average. I also think differently than most people and have a hard time explaining. So I look weak. Make no mistake though I'm always learning and hunting.

OK let me ask you this. What are the difference in flaws between you and Titus?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is anyone else starting to lean scum on Ellie?

Yes quite heavily.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I assume there is scum on elusive's wagon. Almost certainly pisskop.

elusive will not be lynched while I am alive. Take that as you will. I might consider dragonspawn, though

Would someone please post a case on Klingoncelt for those of us who just replaced in?

These posts don't make sense.

Unvote, vote Ellie

lynch it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hey ABR, can you answer this

Hello Aeronaut, I don't have to do a thing you say.

What doesn't make sense about those posts ABR?

It looks very scummy. It's trying to be endearing and yet, not accomplishing much, and illogical from a town perspective. It doesn't feel as if you have an authentic grasp on the game. Boons can weigh in with why he thinks you're scummy, but I find it interesting you reply to me and not to him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now I'm sure you will have a legitimate sounding retort to that, but it's too late. You've been caught.

Viking, do us the honor.

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We'll find out soon enough.

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Mathblade, vote Ellie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

See guys, I told you Math wasn't any good at mafia.

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Now I'm sure you will have a legitimate sounding retort to that, but it's too late. You've been caught.

Viking, do us the honor.

I"m confused. Do us the honor of voting ellie or investigating her tonight? I'm going out now but will be back on later tonight to check and will be on tomorrow as well so no issues of my not being around.

The vote, obviously

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Dude if we get 2 masons to claim, my odds of surviving have just gone through the roof.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie why were you so obvious as to out yourself as a mason with an over the top defense of your partner when she wasn't even in danger?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie, do I or my alter ego know you from somewhere else?

Vikingfan, do you have any original thoughts?

Boon, hmm...so voting you got you to actually try even if its a little tryhard much?

Confirm Ellie as your mason partner please. If not, I'm calling her bluff and going through with this lynch as she's trying to set it up as to look like she's masons with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Once someone has unequivocally claimed, you pretend like they are what they are in hopes that the NKs will clear things up. The way you're trying to throw some shade on viking's claim is very anti-town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You pretend to believe that they are what they say they are*

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I've pretended to be a mason with unwitting townies who believed I was town and went along with it and it had disastrous consequences for the town. Better nip this in the bud.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And in this case when it is so obvious they are the most anti town cop on the planet you call them on their shit. Make them play protown or be lynched for the scum they likely are. Claiming cop is not a free pass ever.

I do not respect your opinion because it isn't backed by a vote.

You can do one of two things:

-pretend you believe a claim
-try to get them lynched anyway

You can't throw suspicion on them while getting someone else lynched, because then if they survive it's due to the WIFOM that you yourself created.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In the mason scenario, it's not like I outted anything, SHE SAID THAT SHE WOULD RATHER DIE THAN SEE ELUSIVE LYNCHED. Any scum worth their salt would immediately pick up on that as masons. I can point to a couple games where I caught masons n1 because of less obvious lines than that.

So if they really are masons, then scum already know it anyway, but town doesn't know it. It doesn't hurt to just go out and say it at that point.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But TBH I suspect lovers more than masons.

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Are you lovers?

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You being coy with me?

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Still 30 hours to deadline, calm down with your votes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote: klingon

[Albert B. Rampage]

Read my other games. Day1 claiming isn't unusual for me. Learn to live with it.

So why Kitz, boringHouse?

Why should I bother humoring questions from someone who is intent on insulting me?

I've been having a real problem sorting out Scum in this game. The level of confusion for me is identical to that game where Wolf and MathBlade were Scum. I didn't want to believe they were Scum, so my judgement got clouded.

Dragonspawn, well we know his history, no lynching him before Day2. SilverWolf, Boonskiies, Wake88, their Town/Scum games are easy enough to tell apart. Boon and Wake need to post more.

FA_Q2, T S O, and Shinobi are hard cases for me. I always have a hard time figuring out what side they're on. Maybe one of them is scum.

House, now House is an easy one. Anyone will tell you he's got his Town game and then there's his Scum game. What I'm seeing here is Town Game Light. I've never known him to tell an established player how to play before. I've never known him to be so oddly nitpicky and boring before. And there's no fireaids rageposting.

Dood. I thinks you haz scumz.

VOTE: House

I don't have any good reads right now tbh.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think Klingon is that scummy.

I'd lynch Ellie over Klingon. A few others.

But he's not a terrible lynch since we already got a claim and there's a chance he flips scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MathBlade, you have to refer to me as Es or Estival or even Elusive but not my former because she was reckless and volatile and we are trying to be a whole new person full of serenity.

Can someone explain this?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Exactly. So VF claiming cop while doing nothing cop like, discussing mechanics of who to investigate instead of hunting.

You know, Math, I agree with you, but haven't we talked about this kind of speculation before? I don't see why we need to keep harping on it. You won't die tonight. You can bring it up tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie is scummeh

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR is on the wrong side of history. Textbooks will talk about his incorrect Ellie read for centuries to come.

I laughed. I'm going to share a few seconds of video with you to return the favor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQY6Si8Kq8&t=7m22s

I timed it to a few seconds before the part that I officially lost it lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

If I die lynch this followed by VF please.

There's no way you're dying, we've been over this before.

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What's the vote count?

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I see the hammer, but can I have the unofficial vote count?

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Where's the evidence that "people were unvoting Klingon and starting to vote for NJ"?

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I sure hope I don't die tonight.

Odds are strong. What are your final thoughts?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I sure hope I don't die tonight.

Odds are strong. What are your final thoughts?

Avenge me by taking my pisskop read at least a little seriously.

OK

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Vikingfan should be protected and then ramapge I think although that one is messier.

My claim is more believable, I want the protection lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes but you're verified as potentially evil and I prefer simple, honest folks to clever magicians

I like you and Ellie more and more, simply from your witticisms. Good on you for winning me over like that, you two.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

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Vote: Viking

Not buying that scum didn't kill him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're not supposed to be informed when you're saved...that means you're lying.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The scum flip does not suggest multiball as there's no faction identifier, either. The two kills probably came from the mafia and a lone shooter. Your statement that you were shot and saved isn't logical.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not seeing a vote, NS.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here's what everyone not voting for vikingfan needs to know:

-He claimed cop day 1 when he was pressured
-On N1, he wasn't nightkilled. With me being "outted as tracker", the scum's actions would be straightforward if he's town. Kill and RB me and viking. Given that there were two kills, that decreases the likelihood of a kill being prevented. There is probably not multiple factions of mafia, as they would usually appear with a variant such as "Sicilian Mafia".
-Now, the most damning piece of evidence, is that

vikingfan claims that he was told that he was protected

. We know that this doesn't happen in normal games. He is straight up lying, trying to explain his survival with another lie.

vikingfan is 100% scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Read this again: no matter what ika says,

players are never told if they are protected in normal games on this site

. vikingfan lied. Why would he lie about being protected? He is insecure about how his survival looks and tried to compensate for it by fabricating an explanation for it. He made a mistake in site meta.

He needs to be quicklynched ASAP.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Someone care to point me in the direction where it says the mod can't tell a player they were protected? If it's really a rule, ika did a pretty good job of screwing the town over.

ika didn't mess up. You did, and you're lucky he didn't hammer the last nail in your coffin himself by disproving your claim. You were told that you were protected, but you weren't told that you were roleblocked, isn't that a bit of a contradiction? You should have thought of that before you fakeclaimed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think that further discussion is superfluous and would only help scum with targeting tonight. Everyone should lay their vote on vikingfan and end the day and we will resume tomorrow after the night actions have resolved. Any other bandwagon would only serve to help scum at this juncture.

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Ika, can you confirm that in this game, you tell people that they are saved? Otherwise it's going to screw not only me over but future people who are saved as well.

But you killed the doctor. Who else is going to get saved, vf...and it's a huge discrepancy that you weren't told you were RB...when ika told you that you were saved, why didn't you ask "what about my investigation?"

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This is the only thing keeping me from voting VF right now.

ika is not going to throw vf under the bus like that. Vf is sinking all on his own and doesn't need the help.

From the Doctor page: "While this is highly frowned upon at mafiascum.net, some moderators will tell players that they were saved from death via a form of protection (i.e. Doctors)."

That's a microscopic amount of games, that I haven't seen or heard of in 8 years and hundreds of games.

[Albert B. Rampage]

vf appealing to ika is scum theater, don't believe it. Lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong about vf. He has violated basic tenets of mafia normalcy metal and there is a 0% chance that he's town. Mark my words carefully. Zero percent.

Actually it's the not-getting-a-result-at-all that I find the most implausible part of this story. Usually blocked Cops will get back "No Result" at least.

Exactly!!!! He wasn't even curious if it was a mod mistake that maybe ika forgot to send him his investigation result.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We don't need to talk about anything until vikingfan is lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It was shinobi.

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Anything listed in the variations of doctor from the Wiki page is possible, this is inclusing but not limited to a target being told of being healed.

GM has already quoted it but I will quote it myself that its possible:

While this is highly frowned upon at mafiascum.net, some moderators will tell players that they were saved from death via a form of protection (i.e. Doctors). Some moderators will even announce who was saved from death publicly at the beginning of the next Day.

I will personally not answer any direct questions about what can be or can not exist. If its listed in as a possible variation, it may exist

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor

This is mod intervening to give vikingfan a chance to worm his way out. Like sightings of bigfoot or the wendigo, it's not to be believed. There is no way that ika would creatively sprinkle a role like that into a normal game. Thousands of normal games have concluded in mafiascum, my experience and join date as a testament,

it does not happen.

Not it doesn't happen often, but it simply doesn't happen for it to be believable that vf isn't making this up as he goes.

No result. I was attacked but someone saved me. And yes I received a PM.

Okay, well, me and a couple of the guys were trying to catch you contradicting your initial claim, but you covered yourself well enough in this case. It's alright, we've got enough on you to get you lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think vikingfan is a town cop and telling the truth, but I am okay with his death and will probably hammer him if he reaches L-1.

He's not a town cop, and if you believed him 100%, you would offer more of a defense than that.

Listen, all of you guys that are from another website, I want you to look at my join date. Then I want you to look at my post count.

I know what I'm talking about. VF is lying, pure and simple, in a provable way. There's no chance that he's telling the truth and the mod drops in here and there to give him some cover, but he's toast, and we need to lynch him today before the scum get any more information about who to kill. We've done our job, we've caught scum, now let's put this one to rest.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You know when a cop, who already found one scum the day before, opens the day with a guilty claim on another player, and this player claims miller?

That's more believable than what vikingfan is claiming.

You know when a watcher used their ability on a dead player the night before and catches living player visiting dead player, and living player says he was a doctor trying to protect dead player, and scum probably have a ninja modifier than prevents watcher from seeing them?

Still more believable than vikingfan.

I will bet the barn that this case is solved. I move for a vf lynch today. No other lynches are acceptable.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's pretty common on other sites for doc protects to be told. ika might just have liked the mechanic.

No.

This is the wrong way to think about it.

The right way to think about it is:

It's common on other sites for doc protects to be told. vikingfan impulsively decided that it was a believable thing to claim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Any mod in ika's position would post the exact same thing. We all know that:

Like sightings of bigfoot or the wendigo, it's not to be believed.

Too rare to ever be believed when it happens.

You know when a cop, who already found one scum the day before, opens the day with a guilty claim on another player, and this player claims miller?

That's more believable than what vikingfan is claiming.

You know when a watcher used their ability on a dead player the night before and catches living player visiting dead player, and living player says he was a doctor trying to protect dead player, and scum probably have a ninja modifier than prevents watcher from seeing them?

Still more believable than vikingfan.

If you would believe the suspect in the scenarios above, if you would give them the benefit of the doubt when all evidence points to them, then you're chasing unicorns.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not in the business of chasing unicorns. I'm in the business of hunting scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your question:

What would be the scum motivation for saying that though?

The answer:

Why would he lie about being protected? He is insecure about how his survival looks and tried to compensate for it by fabricating an explanation for it. He made a mistake in site meta.

Good morning.

I hate this part the most.

This should make you feel better:

Okay, well, me and a couple of the guys were trying to catch you contradicting your initial claim, but you covered yourself well enough in this case. It's alright, we've got enough on you to get you lynched.

We were both trying to get vf to contradict himself. We failed, but I felt a certain hush hush let's push this angle vibe that had the same intent behind the innocuous words we posted egging him to condemn himself further.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Shinobi is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie, just...just help us lynch vf. Okay?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie is probably scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not sure scum would post this:

Sure, they would. She saw Boonskiies crumb doctor and no one else did. That makes her scum. That and everything else she's been posting for the past 2 days is scummy as hell.

dragon, vote viking please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Viking today, Ellie tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

We are looking for more contribution to the vikingfan bandwagon, 2 votes aren't enough to make this ship sail.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What can I do to convince you that vikingfan is scum? I have posted more content in one day that I have in this entire game, and I'm not seeing any more votes on him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have posted more content in one day that I have in this entire game, .

I want to lynch you.

SO MUCH.

Then quit fumbling around like a lettuce and do it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've laid out my arguments and why vf is scum. There doesn't seem to be any more doubts on the matter, as no one is willing to debate it based on facts.

Regardless of whether you trust me or not, the facts are indisputable and lead to vf being scum. You may think that I'm scum with him, but as he's not town, you shouldn't be diverting the conversation or defending him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You are indeed acting like a jester.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The tacit assumption that disagreeing with him meant you were somehow defending viking made me particularly annoyed, as did "indisputable."

Ellie defended vikingfan, not when she disagreed with me, but when she defended him.

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

Some people don't like being VT in games, but end up being part of the Town anyways. I've had that feeling more than a few times in past Mafia games here. My perspective on being a VT is that you practically have the most amount of freedom to speak your mind as possible.

Do you think this sentiment of his deserves a scumread? I certainly don't. And I do wonder the motives of those who think otherwise.

I don't understand who's sentiment you're talking about. How is that related to what you quoted? Who's motives are you questioning?

Mathblade, stop trolling. I hold your abilities in higher esteem than the last time I've commented on them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have a burning question for this town.

Let's pretend for a moment that we accept the premise that you're told when you're protected.

If scum intended to nightkill viking, as he claims, why did they also roleblock him?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyway, I'm not buying the mechanic that vf claims. Nobody should.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, what do you think of ABR ignoring my post and apparently pretending that I was referring to vikingfan or said "vf" when I clearly said "VT" and was referring to Albert?

I fairly certain he's not dumb, so I don't understand why he won't be directly honest towards me.

I still have no idea what you were saying. vikingfan chimed in to defend himself, so I thought you were referring to him by saying he was wrong to suspect me for saying unfortunately vt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your help with vikingfan's claim would be very much appreciated. You are a mod. That's why I asked. It will help me figure out both vikingfan and ABR.

Wake is a newbe...ask NobodySpecial...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wake...I know you're talking ABOUT me, you quoted me. I'm asking who you're talking TO. Viking?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wake, I don't understand what you're saying. If it's important, tell me again. Who are you talking about when you say "anyone else".

I question the motives of anyone else who think you should be scumread

Who is anyone else?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie needs to be ignored. She is a troll, pure and simple. Cluttering up the thread with nonsense; like a jester. Don't feed her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie either doesn't want to win, her win condition has nothing to do with killing scum, or she isn't interested in finding them as much as making a spectacle out of herself. Why else would she unwaveringly believe a cop fakeclaim throughout two days and still say she wants to hammer? She's posted a number of things that are just illogical or straight up scummy. Since yesterday. Remember when she said "you don't want to find out why you don't want to lynch me?" Remember when she soft claimed mason with elusive? She isn't pro-town. Ignore Ellie. I will vote her when we get the whole vikingfan situation under control.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR Ellie is town. I see what she is doing but for my green skin I won't say.

Shinobi is town. Ellie isn't pro-town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TSO, get back on the wagon and vote for vikingfan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Where does the Shinobi townread come from? I don't necessarily disagree with the Ellie read, though.

His ignorance of who the scum is, is genuine.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I highly doubt there's werewolves, and if there was an SK, they killed the scum. Nobody tried to kill vikingfan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In large normals, two mafia factions are more common than a werewolf and a mafia faction. This game is flavorless. The mafia flipped with with no modifier. I think there's a mafia and a lone shooter. Nobody shot vikingfan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He is scum. You have no basis to believe him. Any lynch in any other direction will be a mislynch because nobody can agree on vf's claim and we're going in twelve different directions while he's sitting there right under our nose.

Think of the odds of the town trying to lynch the cop on day 1, then the doctor gets killed on N1 while the cop is blocked, while the doctor has a loud modifier that doesn't appear upon his death, preventing a kill from a third source, who has so far remained completely undetected by the flips.

You're naive if you believe this narrative.

vikingfan saw the two flips this morning and concocted a half-baked claim, got nervous it wasn't convincing enough and dug a deeper hole to bury himself in. OMGUS on me, hides from the thread, appeals to the mod, blames the mod, makes elaborate grandstanding speeches about how I should be vigged. He's not town. There's nothing town about him. You would think that the extraordinary circumstances around him would invoke passion, drive a need to be believed, bring a new life to his game. But what has he done? He's closed the blinders, stopped caring about the game, and started rotting. This isn't the behavior of an innocent player.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I checked mafia 165 to 177, that's twelve games. No werewolves in any of them. All mafia, single faction, some had serial killers. This is statistical. You can't read this thread and invent a werewolf faction, you can't. Ellie is too antitown to be town, unless this entire game is an inside joke for her, she is scum, and in either case I want her lynched. If no one will take a definitive stance on viking based on probabilistic deductions, I will compromise with you, and vote for Ellie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie isn't using deductive reasoning, she is overestimating vikingfan's commitment and meta knowledge, and is turning away to the truth that is staring her in the face. I've had enough of it. She is probably scum with vikingfan himself, and her lynch is a victory we all deserve to celebrate. Thank you for your time, those are my comments for tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

From, not to.

Vote: Ellie

This is the only acceptable vote for today that isn't vikingfan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is nothing random about it, I've been aggressively against Ellie since Day 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I checked the first 12 games in the Completed Games List. None of them have more than one mafia faction. None of them have a werewolf. I would go more but that would waste my time. How many do you need, a hundred?

If I claimed bulletproof miller vig, Ellie would believe me, as the odds of that are like a coinflip, and the entire site history doesn't change the setup creation process of one mod. But this is worse than that. This is a caught scum, desperate for help, being aided by someone who has ulterior motives here. Ellie isn't town, she has an agenda, she's pushing it, and wants you to believe her, follow her, be led by the nose by her. I rarely get this much emotional investment in a game, but vikingfan has pushed my credulity beyond it's limits, and this apathetic town has compounded the issue.

The only advantage to this town is that you get to see me vocal, contributing, and fighting for what is right with every ounce of patience that I have. I don't care enough as scum to put up this much of a fight, read any of my scum games. The scum can kill me but I'm expendable.

Believe in me. I won't let you down.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You said:

"vikingfan is smarter than to claim something unbelievable"

I argue that he didn't know it was unbelievable given his knowledge of the site meta.

You invented a werewolf team and I've countered that by checking the last 12 games in Completed Games in New York, proving how unlikely your misinformed assumption is.

I've shown you time and time again why vikingfan has fakeclaimed, why the odds of him telling the truth are minuscule, and every time, you've proven yourself to want to support him, without a doubt, without a shred of evidence to back up your conviction. You're scum, Ellie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mods base their setups on previous games. ika isn't creative enough to even write flavor or an original title for this game, do you think he will go out of his way and do something outlandish that 12 or a hundred other mods wouldn't do? You think ika will step outside of the mold? You're wrong. You're pushing buttons, and it's not working on TSO, nor will it with me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've never played a large normal. What are the odds we have both a tracker and a cop?

This is your third post in the game. You found it hard to believe there was both a cop and tracker in one game, but didn't bat an eye at the below?

Think of the odds of the town trying to lynch the cop on day 1, then the doctor gets killed on N1 while the cop is blocked, while the doctor has a loud modifier that doesn't appear upon his death, preventing a kill from a third source, who has so far remained completely undetected by the flips.

hahahahahaha

Nice try, scumbag.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cheetory, for the love of everything that I hold dear about the game of mafia, please get your vote in line with reality.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're not good at lying, the problem is that you think you are, and it's embarrassing. Please stop.

[Albert B. Rampage]

She's playing a role. It's clear. In her third post, she was playing the role of the cynical, "oh myyy, two investigative power roles in one game, realllyyy???"

By day 2 she's singing a very different tune. "I don't see anything wrong with town suspecting the cop and forcing him to claim on day 1, then the doctor gets killed on N1 while the cop is roleblocked, while the doctor has a loud modifier that doesn't appear upon his death, preventing a kill from a third source, who has so far remained completely undetected by the flips. I'm a happy camper with an answer to everything, I'll believe anything!"

The contradictions are jarring. You don't want to lynch viking, want to leave him to his fate? Fine. Let's get this scumbag out of the way then. Meet me halfway.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cheetory, this is a story that vikingfan can tell at the bar of a scum meet one day.

"And then -you won't believe this- they didn't lynch me on day 2 either! After all that, they mislynched some poor sucker and...*struggles to muffle laughter* I didn't know if I was more drunk when I read that, or when I claimed!" *cue general laughter*

I will not be made a fool of. I won't believe lies that are this bad. There's far more evidence than needed for this guy to be lynched, and that's why I'm reluctantly willing to compromise.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow. Ellie is literally crazy to keep pushing this viking line of defense. I mean, as either alignment, it's insane. Lynch it with fire.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is it her tone or just the fact that she doesn't want to lynch viking?

1. She found it hard to believe there were to investigative roles in one game, but didn't flinch at the convenient set of excuses clumsily laid out by viking.

2. The whole softclaiming yesterday where she was trying to make herself seem too valuable to be lynched, that she had inside information, that she was trying to buddy up to elusive.

3. Her absolutely wretched arguments against TSO and me.

4. Her constantly playing dumb and distracting us with setup discussion which she admitted to knowing nothing about but is now apparently an expert in.

5. Being apparently the only one in this game who has found a breadcrumb of Boons being the doctor.

She's scum, I can feel it in my bones and in her text. It's as sure a thing as vikingfan's flip.

[Albert B. Rampage]

She was absolutely shameless in her buddying of elusive yesterday. I spent a large portion of time talking about it. And today, she is cozying up so perfectly to Mathblade and GoodMorning.

She has all the women in this game in her back pocket and going after aggressive males who question her. It's disgusting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't even know if she's a girl or this is a gimmick account for some elaborate troll. She admitted herself to being an alt. It's revolting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What I'm most shocked by, is that at first, I actually liked her. She has the same name as the Ellie character in The Last of Us, and watching the Walking Dead, I really wanted to trust her. Not after all this weirdness coming from her, it's just red flag after red flag, it's crazy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why did you buddy up to elusive on day 1? You said that you would rather die than see elusive lynched, on day 1, much too early for anyone to be that sure of anything.

Why did you buddy up to goodmorning and mathblade today? You have consulted them, shared townreads which have them featured at the top, done everything you could to position yourself with them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Remember 2009 when Adel confessed to being a man after 2 years of pretending to be female on this site? Man, that was something. This is irrelevant, of course, but the fakeness in Ellie's posts and refusal to reveal her real account make me think of Adel. Good ol Adel, I liked him as both genders, a real shame he left.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm sorry, I missed Silverwolf.

Me, elusive, goodmorning, you, SilverWolf. Ozgin and Shinobi are probably town, but not as strong. Why dragonspawn?

This list of townreads. "You" is referring to Mathblade. I'm not reaching here, this isn't sexism, this is her entire strategy. It's sick.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Her posts, her personality, it all looks like a fabrication when put into context. It's all strategic moves and being in with the right people for Ellie.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You are in fact the scum and I can see right through you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

At this point, I would like for everyone to vote for one of me, ellie and vikingfan.

Then we will see where each one stands.

My role pm is still an issue. I can't say anything more about it due to ongoing games.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The whole nj vs elusive thing is completely irrelevant. Pay no mind to it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Viking, ellie, or me. Those are the serious choices for today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think of ellie?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm ignoring everything goodmorning says, she's ellie's pet, right in her back pocket. Next time I use an alt as scum I'll be sure to buddy up to her and never have to worry about her thinking for herself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kitz, goodmorning, completely on Ellie's scum payroll, and her currency is buddying. The lazy leading the blind.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It makes no difference elusive, both wagons being on town d1 is common.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No. That's an idiotic plan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regarding the Ellie lynch.

Some want it to happen.

Some wish it to happen.

Some MAKE IT HAPPEN.

Show yourselves and let's get ourselves a scum lynch this day, my brothers and sisters!

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're better than that. I deserve a chance from you elusive. Don't make this about my role pm again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What the hell? Players pm'ing each other privately now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

She's the serial killer then. Everything about her survivalistic. She spotted the doctor because she was looking for him during the night. She buddies up to people to keep her well protected. She's doing her utmost to pander and stay alive, whether that means softclaiming, or bringing out of game elements into the game, or lynching a cop she believes is telling the truth.

She is the serial killer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

She literally just changed the game dynamic by going "this is who I am", now you have meta on her nobody else has, and you tend to trust her more because you and Ellie share something the rest of us don't. She's appealing to past relationships. Forming new ones. Trying to be pleasant and appeasing and surrounding herself with a herd of people who blindly townread her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not convinced NJ is town but all the suspicious people are dead-set against him.

I think the setup is one mafia faction and a SK; that's it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Shinobi is town. TSO is town. FA2 I think is town too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want to address this because I didn't before: why would any Scum/3p trying to survive DELIBERATELY POINT OUT A CRUMB FROM THE DEAD DOC?

Saying "why would x do y" is WIFOM. Pointing out that someone caught a breadcrumb from the dead PR is not WIFOM.

Spend less time WIFOMing good morning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, it's not WIFOM, it's a deliberate attempt to point out that

there are no Scum motivations

for pointing out that she saw the Doc crumb.

Or maybe she did it because she thought it would give her town points? See, it's WIFOM.

All we know is that she knew, which is not WIFOM. She's one of the players who was looking out for it, when a bunch of players didn't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie is useful to town.

In your opinion. I think that scum make themselves look useful to town to avoid being voted, then slip up a bunch of times because they can't keep their stories straight. Like how much doubt Ellie has about having two investigative PRs, but is ready to believe any number of unlikely coincidences about viking's claim. There's something not right here. If she's not scum, she's the SK. I know that because she slips up constantly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's one thing. People think I fakeclaimed tracker as town to avoid my lynch, something I've done before as town; fair enough. I don't slip the way Ellie does. You're misguided, elusive.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Even if vikingfan isn't great at reading people or pressuring people or voting on the right wagon, as long as he stays alive and gives us his reports on players, he can be extremely helpful to us.

This sounds like you want to keep him beyond D3 when he inevitably falls short of being NK'd. Are you also going to believe him when he declares a guilty on town tomorrow? This is why I want vikingfan voted out. The fact that he can't get it through his head that I'm suspecting him, with completely reasonable justifications, is also a terrible point against him. He would be a lot more humble and understanding as town who was placed in a bad spot by circumstances, instead he is OMGUSing me, makes very hollow contributions to the game, let me tell you, I don't like it.

Let us remember that vf could be a mafia role cop, a mafia watcher, he could have abilities that are making his buddies struggling to keep him alive day after day so they can maximize their gain from him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He could be a mafia encryptor, who allows the scum to daytalk while he's alive, and that makes him invaluable to them. I would much rather lynch vikingfan today than Ellie or anyone else.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think this is a bit of a stretch, though. I mean, you can say this about anyone.

I'm saying this because there's a high chance he's scum, and people want to keep him alive without understanding the potential importance and urgency of lynching scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You can pretend to know he is scum. The only downside of letting him live another day is if he's got a useful scum PR. Other than that we can just be like "hey look, scum has posted something, how cute" every time he posts. Come on it'll be fun.

Take this post to illustrate my example. People want to keep vikingfan around as a pet, I just want to put him out of his misery so we have our answer. I disagree that letting him be NK'd is a better play, given the likelihood of him lying about his role and flipping scum. In general, yes, it's better to keep a claimed cop alive. As I said to mathblade on Day 1, let's pretend we all believe vikingfan is town, so he gets NK'd. But he didn't get NK'd. Now I just want him dead. He's had his chance.

And in this case when it is so obvious they are the most anti town cop on the planet you call them on their shit. Make them play protown or be lynched for the scum they likely are. Claiming cop is not a free pass ever.

I do not respect your opinion because it isn't backed by a vote.

You can do one of two things:

-pretend you believe a claim
-try to get them lynched anyway

You can't throw suspicion on them while getting someone else lynched, because then if they survive it's due to the WIFOM that you yourself created.

What I told Mathblade ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, tell me in what world VF could claim a guilty on town and then not expect to be lynched next day as well as cast aspersions on his supporters? Agree with Ozgin about:

Who are you?

Vf can survive to D3, then D4 after we've mislynched on D2 (because the scum pool is narrow and less accurate due to vf's alignment being unknown) and D3 (because we believe his fake guilty). How is this better for the town, than lynching him now? I have a high level of certainty he's lying. I've elaborated time and again about why with very good reasoning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd be happy with either klingon or ellie. Dang this deadline! ellie just looks to me like lying scum.

Anyone remember this post when viking was under the gun? Anyone?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel that not lynching vikingfan today demonstrates a lack of willingness for rational, town favorable risk-taking, and is a cowardly stance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: NakedJogger

Anyone who accuses me of cheating with no proof deserves to die regardless of alignment or how it throws the game because it is piss poor sportsmanship. Hell I think we are getting scum for it but I am done with Naked Jogger at this point. Done. Don't care.

Garbage vote and reasoning. Pure AtE hijinx.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wake, I need your assistance in this game, there's too many stubborn town fighting me on top of the scum. We're not friends, but I need your help.

[Albert B. Rampage]

QFT ^

Voting him based on out of game accusations is called gameplaying.

[Albert B. Rampage]

More AtE gameplaying ^

Elusive and Mathblade just took massive dips on my town hierarchy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK, Wake. My contentions are:

1) Viking is scum.
2) Ellie is anti-town.

Which would you like to hear about first?

Also note that there seems to be a vote block of different permutations of goodmorning, kitz, mathblade, elusive and ellie. Some of this group are trying to get a lynch on NJ, others me. I call it a vote block because they never vote each other and are fairly aligned in their vision besides a small deviation in lynch targets (me or NJ). I don't think they are all scum but it's dangerous.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ellie has an anti-town alignment (serial killer, mafia)*

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR -- I think they are both scum. Yes...I'm probably falling for manipulation from NJ being a complete douchebag and getting pissed about it but I don't care. I want NakedJogger gone for saying I'm cheating in the thread. If people don't want him gone then I'll put my vote back on VF. If he hadn't accused me of cheating it'd be on VF but I want this settled NOW.

I don't want him gone, this is a mod issue not a game one. He can replace out if he is getting too emotional.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And I'm with Mathblade on the accusation of cheating. such accusations don't belong in the thread and detract severely from the game. UNVOTE: VOTE: NJ.

Wake, this is scum. Please help me. I'm growing more isolated and I don't want to mislynch today. I care about this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TSO, I promise you we will get back to Ellie in the future, can we please lynch vikingfan today?

Do you not want him gone because of mod issues or do you not want him lynched?

I've very reasonably laid out why I think you're scum in a very non-personal way. I've been very specific about everything I said, and you should have given me the benefit of the doubt as town instead of latching on to me with OMGUS. I believe nothing you say anymore. I think he's town. Members of the vote block are manipulating other members of it to vote for him, and you are, and that makes him likely innocent.

ABR, ika actually linked to something Doctor related. What did you glean from that?

Are you claiming loud doctor?

@ABR -- I think goodmorning, kitz, mathblade, elusive and ellie all of those people are town. Hence not voting for them. I have said this before as well. When I flip town you'll see those are reads.

Yes, it's a vote block. Make no mistake about it. I don't trust it. And I am gathering my support around me to break it up by accurately singling out the scum in it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like a Horde Warchief. Gathering my troops to push my viking campaign in Northrend with the most unscrupulous, aggressive, and meanest guys around. And nice people like Jaina are trying to stop me. What a game. I'm really enjoying myself haha

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also if I thought NJ was town I would ask for a Force Replace. I don't think he's town. I think he's scum who thought yelling at the women in thread would get him some dbag points.

He's town. Stop creating drama. You are always creating drama in every game I play with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, if VF flips town cop are you willing to be the quick lynch next day? I don't mean like arbitrary "saying it for the sake of saying it," I mean really since you seem 100% sure and unless you were town cop or actually a PR you're insistence is to be believed why.

Also, your meta is that you are ruthless, manipulative and will say anything which is what I remember from the first game so pot kettle. And you tried to kill me town too.

Yes. Help me and I won't put up a fight if I'm wrong.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK, Wake. My contentions are:

1) Viking is scum.
2) Ellie is anti-town.

Which would you like to hear about first?

Also note that there seems to be a vote block of different permutations of goodmorning, kitz, mathblade, elusive and ellie. Some of this group are trying to get a lynch on NJ, others me. I call it a vote block because they never vote each other and are fairly aligned in their vision besides a small deviation in lynch targets (me or NJ). I don't think they are all scum but it's dangerous.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright Ozgin, let's prove them wrong.

vote: vikingfan

[Albert B. Rampage]

Poor choice - I was tied for votes with vikingfan, you totally could have lynched me ABR. Don't give up so easily!

Vikingfan slipped when he said the mod told him a doctor saved him.

The vf ship is here and ready to take your tickets. Let's stop talking about doing this and do this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh so your definition of maniacal behavior is leaving voice recordings. I thought was assuming some sort of intelligence but guess not. Oh and hammering someone who could be scum is also much more maniacal than waiting for an overturn on what I know for a fact to be town. Right. Carry on dummy

Manic behavior is what you are doing right now and have been doing for days - BS one liners without any indication that you actually want to hunt scum. The last post that had any real reasoning behind it past 'fuck it' was 25 pages ago. Then, when addressed, your only real answer is 'no you' or 'no I am not' playground antics. The question keeps coming up as to why no one is voting you when there are a lot of people reading you as scum. Well, good question.

VOTE: NakedJogger

Lack of content, a hammer without intent and no real scum hunting and outright refusal to explain why what you are doing is pro-town.

Vote vikingfan. I will show you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I need 10 to lynch vikingfan, saddle up folks it's going to be a bumpy ride with a lot of naysayers but we'll free them from their delusions with a scumflip.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There are many people here inexperienced at mafia. Fret not, for I am here to guide them to a scum lynch. A vote for vikingfan for the cause.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This deadline is too long

This town must agree to lynching vf. I've done everything in my power. I have no more to give.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This game is sucking away my life force.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's pretty likely that ABR is just scum trying to lead a lynch on a claimed cop, to be honest. I'm not planning on sailing on the ship today.

Explain the lie of vf that "he was told the doc protected him" with a doc that didn't flip loud.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't hate being vt. I love playing as any pro-town role. Read my wiki.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I hate being scum. I just lurk and make boring logical posts and suppress my personality.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're asking why I said unfortunately? That's because I unfortunately was wrong.