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Nope. Your job is to stop being a fucking fatalist and push your scumreads.In post 6486, Sakura Hana wrote:considering my job is to get lynched-
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<3 and now you know why I was ok will killing this.In post 6492, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Nope. Your job is to stop being a fucking fatalist and push your scumreads.In post 6486, Sakura Hana wrote:considering my job is to get lynched
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This is also really dumb. SC was terrible and mislynching him prob was fairly good for the town, I agree that the Desp lynch was pretty bad though. The shots don't really matter 'cause scum get a shot each night and chances are that the shots are going through. We've caught scum in SSK, you are prob scum and the other two lie in proph, rc, norl, sad. Town is doing fucking great.In post 6510, Titus wrote:Given the mislynches and shots, that's far from the case.-
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Except everyone is telling that you are wrong and that I did not softclaim vig so your "hunting" kinda looks like an attempt to create a CW to SSK and or to make it look like you are doing something.In post 6512, Titus wrote:I pointed out youare likely scumand the purpose of today was to scumhunt and lynch SSK at the end. If I didn't vote you, then I wouldn't be scumhunting. Your proposition is a catch 22.
p sure you called me null though. Though I don't want to talk to scum anymore so see you later.-
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1. lolIn post 6515, Titus wrote:1) Varsoon is one of the best players in the game. That's just bullshit that lynching him benefitted the town. Varsoon will figure out the game and likely so will Mac.
2) Desperado's lynch turned out wrong, so why don't we do VCA on that? Who was scum on the wagon?
3) Shots matter because who the scum shoot suggests who they are threatened by. The fact that the people suggesting SH is scum are all dead (Tammy, Desp, DOMO) should not be ignored. Scum generally don't shoot people townreading them.
4) After SSK and Proph, the rest of your reads aren't that great and aren't really justified as you haven't commented on them or asked a question. Seems like you are going with the flow.
5) No. A couple people have. I don't really care. It just mirrors my own crumb process too closely.
2. Anywhere from you-Bert is the optimal range for scum to hop on a healthy wagon. Since I know GIF is town and Geists has a gunsmith clear that leaves you, SAD, Pie and Bert. Pie is dead null to me.
3. Meh. NKA is nothing but WIFOM. Its certainly possible that Hana sum would shoot who is scumreading her but Desp was a lynch so it doesn't really count and Domo getting killed likely has more to do with him being a PR than his reads. You know who else Tammy had a scumread on SAD. If you are so confident in the Tammy kill pointing to Hana then why are you ignoring SAD? By that same logic the kill could point to him as well.
4. lol Yeah, I'm going with the flow. I was like one of the first to read SSK as scum (if not the first). Also been scumreading Bert slot and your slot as scum for awhile now. Suspected Norl since Brian Skies. Bro and SAD (though you ingoing him and focusing on a Tammy kill pointing to Hana looks buddyish) are mainly POE though.
5. Who here agrees with you? And besides, I'm not you so just 'cause you'd do it means jack. And also both Muffin and Ferry telling you that I use kill and lynch interchangeably and you just ignoring that and not commenting is strange.-
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I had posted said list in our QT before I posted it here, he agreed with it so if he has anything different then he can tell you.In post 6446, geists wrote:
My list isn't seriatim so the layout differences are kinda meh.In post 6441, KoreanBBQ wrote:
Mara/GM, Casso, KKB, Gen, Hana, pie, f-16, Proph, Muffin, SAD, Norl, RC, Titus, SSK<-that would be your list laid out.In post 6327, geists wrote:Town
MC Maraca/Ms Marangal
Good Morning
Casso the King of Seals (Nachomamma8 + Thor665)
KoreanBBQ (GuyInFreezer + Nero Cain) (stronger ffery read, lean town for Nati)
Lean Town
Generic
Sakura Hana
pieguyn
Limbo
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (ffery is lean-town, Nati is null)
Bert/Proph - More content from Proph will change this
zMuffinMan (Nati is lean-town, ffery is null)
Ser Arthur Dayne
Norkalz (Nati really doesn't like this version of llamarble. ffery is null and kinda likes that post that just popped up in p-edit)
Scum
BROseidon/Radiant Cowbells (close to null but his below-the-radar play on day 2 scares both of us. ffery is thinking really hard about xenoblade about now.
Ceph/Titus (fell from null-town in part due to argument with generic and in part due to titus entrance and subsequent horrible pushes.)
MafiaSSK - confscum
Our lists seem pretty similar.In post 6308, KoreanBBQ wrote:Town<<<kbbq, Gen,f-16, geists, Mara/GM, Casso, Pie, muffin, Bro, proph, SAD, Norl, Titus, SSK>>>scum
Do you think that you and Norl's reads converging makes him town?
The one that jumps out to me is that you have RC/Bro more in the null range and I have them in my scumpile. Radiant Cowbells could change that, but not by disappearing.
I'm liking Norl better the last few days.
Our null group is more along the lines of Casso, Muffin, Pie and anyone to the right is a scumread. I'm thinking along the lines of a 4/16 game. 5/15 is plausible as well. So 3-4 scum in RC, proph, SAD, Norl, Titus.
SSK is scum and we agree that Titus needs to die before lylo. SAD hasn't done like anything today and his vote on SSK could easily be a bus. Proph was Bert and that could go either way. What did you think of 6241? Still don't really like Norl. All those "I'm sorry for getting scumread" and "Hey guys, I'm going to town it up." when I don't really feel like he has. Perhaps it being a Brian Skies slot and the fact he defended conf scum is clouding my judgment. I know this is an alt and I know he's going to play differently but the Llamarble I remember was pretty active so him being fairly lurky doesn't help my opinion. What has he posted recently that made you feel better? And like I said, RC is mainly POE (GIF may have better reasoning) though I do remember him asking me what I felt was a super strange question but you are correct that he's not off to a good start.-
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To clarify, this is how my list exactly looks like:
Not order of strengthIn post 6566, KoreanBBQ wrote:Town<kbbq, Gen,f-16, geists, Mara/GM, Casso, Pie, muffin,|Bro, proph, SAD, Norl, Titus, SSK>>>scum-
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1. lol @ whiteknighting dead town. 'Soon could be a good scumhunter. This is my first game with town him but most of his scumreads in this game were on town so...In post 6547, Titus wrote:1. Really, you think Varsoon sucks? *pat* Put me and Varsoon on the same team in the same game and we will mop the floor with you with anyone and the person you pick. I'm not sure how that would work in a mafia game but meh.
2. Yeah pretty convienent. Anywhere between your two scumreads and including your two scumreads is the place for scum to jump. Pie is obvtown ATM. nullish town.
3. NKA isn't wifom entirely. NKA Occam's Razor says Sakura scum. Tammy wasn't pushing SAD as strongly as Sakura. This is a grasp at a straw to discredit.
4. You don't have an unpopular read in a game this size, you're doing something wrong or scum.
5. Korean, how many times do I have to tell you. The number of people agreeing is not indicative of the strength of the argument. The guts are indicative of the strength of the argument. In the 13th or 14th century, the world thought everything was flat. You retcon well. But I'm not going to just assume everyone else is right when I disagree with the substance and there's nothing "BUT META" to say otherwise.
2. You can't ask me my opinion and then bash me for it. For someone that puts so much stock into "evidence", I'm surprised that you didn't take the FEA vote counts to heart. Perhaps a larger sample is needed? I think it illustrates that scum are usually a bit cautious when hopping onto a wagon.
3. I remember Tammy was pushing Mara the hardest. It really depends on the player me thinks, I also really think its premature 'cause Desp's lynch had NOTHING to do with his reads and Occam's says Domo was killed for his role.
4. Not my fault folks are agreeing with me.
5. I don't really think there's much of anything I can say beyond "You're wrong." So....YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG.
Though, one thing I have learned is that I can't read everyone. I'm right a lot but I'm also wrong a lot. I think 99% of players are scummy as fuck regardless of alignment and I've gotten to the point the that I listen more to what others have to say. I've certainly been in your position before (except I was town!) and I thought player G was scummy as all get out (sometimes they do flip scum!) but mafia is a team game and sometimes we have to put our efo aside and play with our team so...why are you not listening to your team?
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In post 6570, KoreanBBQ wrote: I would like your Norl, SAD and RC reads plox.-
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If there's still discussion going on that's benefiting town then I see no reason for us to not discuss.In post 6671, Casso the King of Seals wrote: I don't want to wait 11 days to lynch someone for absolutely no reason. Do you?
Switch Prophy with RC and you got yourself a deal.In post 6672, Ms Marangal wrote: I wouldn't actually mind a SAD, Titus, or Prophy lynch-
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Or maybe Norl...still not real trusting there. Speak to me of him.In post 6677, KoreanBBQ wrote:\
Switch Prophy with RC and you got yourself a deal.In post 6672, Ms Marangal wrote: I wouldn't actually mind a SAD, Titus, or Prophy lynch-
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In post 6738, Generic wrote:I will happily lynch RC, but I'm acutely aware with two claims of JK the best way to prove I'm telling the truth is lynch Titus.
You are a jailkeeper?
Someone else claims your role.
Therefore YOU know RC is lying
but you want to lynch not confirmed scum?
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We should prob lynch them if Gen flips scum. Genscum makes RCBro our jk. Part of me is like "she would do something that dumb" but she's smart enough as town to not lead a lynch on town so this looks fake.In post 6744, Titus wrote:
Well at least you're seeing the paranoia.In post 6740, KoreanBBQ wrote:though if Gen is scum then that geist attack could be some early distancing...hrmmm...
@geists- fine. You want me to do that. Be the prosecutor. I'll be the judge.-
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If you were telling the truth about being a jk you'd know that RC was lying and is therefore scum. As town you should want a RC lynch but you don't.In post 6750, Generic wrote:If I'm lying what has RC and Titus got to worry about?-
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lynching a pr is never a good thing. My thing is that there's one JK and its either Gen or RC and Gen wants to not lynched the claimed RC scum. That's just fucking stupid.In post 6758, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
A better question is what have you got to lose by being lynched? I mean, sure we lose a PR if you are town, but that is two scum in the bag (RC/Titus) for the price of losing a PR. That is a risk I am willing to take.In post 6757, Generic wrote:Scared of you? Why?
Again what have you got to lose being lynched if you are town Titus?-
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but Titus not calling you out for this when she called me out last game (where she was town) makes me goIn post 6758, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
A better question is what have you got to lose by being lynched? I mean, sure we lose a PR if you are town, but that is two scum in the bag (RC/Titus) for the price of losing a PR. That is a risk I am willing to take.In post 6757, Generic wrote:Scared of you? Why?
Again what have you got to lose being lynched if you are town Titus?-
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Why are you paranoid of Geists today butIn post 6786, Titus wrote: Geists didn't want to vote the scums. I am paranoid that there's scum in the clears.
light defended her yesterday?In post 6754, Titus wrote:
Try beer 1.5.In post 6751, KoreanBBQ wrote:
We should prob lynch them if Gen flips scum. Genscum makes RCBro our jk. Part of me is like "she would do something that dumb" but she's smart enough as town to not lead a lynch on town so this looks fake.In post 6744, Titus wrote:
Well at least you're seeing the paranoia.In post 6740, KoreanBBQ wrote:though if Gen is scum then that geist attack could be some early distancing...hrmmm...
@geists- fine. You want me to do that. Be the prosecutor. I'll be the judge.-
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Are you still tipsy 'cause this makes no sense.In post 6797, Titus wrote:That wasn't the context. You accused me of being fake with the paranoia. I was assuming that was due to the speech differences. I said I was a little tipsy. Hence the speech difference from my earlier posting. I've been paranoid of geists since the start of coming in.
First, I had not accused you of your paranoia being fake. I was rather convinced that Gen was scum yesterday and was worried that his weaksause attack on Geists day 1 could be some early distancing. You came in and said "Well at least you're seeing the paranoia." which sounds like you agreeing with me. Then I said "this is derpy as fuck coming from Fery." and you are just kinda "oh she's drunk."
Now today you tell me you are paranoid of her for not voting scumGen after you wrote it off as her being drunk and then you tell me that I'm taking things out of context wich I am not.-
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Oh like its super hard to tell me and GIF apart...In post 6767, Titus wrote:
Which head what game?In post 6764, KoreanBBQ wrote:
but Titus not calling you out for this when she called me out last game (where she was town) makes me goIn post 6758, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
A better question is what have you got to lose by being lynched? I mean, sure we lose a PR if you are town, but that is two scum in the bag (RC/Titus) for the price of losing a PR. That is a risk I am willing to take.In post 6757, Generic wrote:Scared of you? Why?
Again what have you got to lose being lynched if you are town Titus?
I am calling Generic out. *headscratch*
Here you are in FEA calling be scummy for not caring what TSO flipped as.In post 7255, Titus wrote:I do agree with TSO justifying a town lynch in advance is pretty scummy.
F-16 pretty much didn't care if GEN flipped town. Yet you didn't call out F-16. Why?-
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This post she's talking about her and proph not being scum together but doesn't talk about SSK. Does this point to Titus scum/proph town?In post 6510, Titus wrote:
Then, you seriously need to relook here. The scum team you are suggesting makes no plausible sense. We both came in and scumread each other immediately (well he is scum you are right on that). Would scum orchestrate a double replace bus? That doesn't make sense unless the scum team was boned. Given the mislynches and shots, that's far from the case. You are running from all signs shots and deaths point to SH scum and are trying to link m with your byddies.In post 6507, Sakura Hana wrote:
I already gave many stancesIn post 6506, Titus wrote:Rather than the melodrama, what about giving hard positions that are consistent with the fcts?
Casso, SAD, gm, geists, Mara are town.
You, SSK and Proph are scum.
Generic, it sounds like no matter what I would do, you were just going to scumread me for what Ceph did.-
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Under the policy of you might be scum and even if you are somehow town I couldn't careless as your play has been rather terrible.In post 6810, Titus wrote:
Under what "policy"?In post 6807, KoreanBBQ wrote:Hey GIF, lets PL Titus today.-
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lol noIn post 6814, Titus wrote:No. I want you to answer my question. You want me poilcied,which implies I am town.
If you are asking this with a straight face then you are very likely to be scum. Gen basically scumclaimed yesterday when he wanted to lynch you over what should have been confirmed scum RC FHPOV.Why would you lynch Generic when he's pushing me as scum if you're so confident I am scum?-
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I don't think you ever asked this so you accusing me of dodging is made up non sense. (or maybe I did miss it.)In post 6818, Titus wrote:KBBQ, quit dodging. What about my play is terrible?
It could be that I'm just really angry but your claim that I softclaimed vig was craptastic. try to use the deaths of Tammy, Des and Domo to paint Hana as scum was bad looking. 6801. But that's just what I remember.-
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TBF, this isn't even the argument. Titus is arguing that I softclaimed vig and I denied that and my denial is a scumclaim since I 100% vig softclaimed and her "evidence" is that she softclaimed vig that way which totes ignores that Titus=//=Nero.In post 6862, Norlkaz wrote:It does not follow that a vig softclaimer is scum if an actual vig is found; random people fakeclaim or softclaim vig all the time.-
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Well, I was arguing with Bert most of the game and tbh I prob wouldn't give a shit if his slot flips but my scumread is wavering just a tad bit. If I sat down I could write out a proper Bert case but I don't really have the desire to do so. One of the big reasons I was worried about him was his pushing on SSK but not joining his wagon and his reaction was "How annoying!" I asked if that was a scumBert or a townBert reaction. No one really responded to it but I did end up asking Gen about it and he was like "I don't think that's a smoking gun." Is that him pointing to Bert town?In post 6856, zMuffinMan wrote:
bert, interactions with generic (i might pull up the relevant ones later though i see GM is starting to do that now), and i was going over his ISO last night and this post really stood out as really odd - like look at what he says about that stuffed crust wagon in particular <- he says this basically confirms cephrir as scum when he's onlykbbq wrote:Why?leaningtown on you and pieguy.
what's your read on him?
There's also
Is this Gen discrediting me to defend his buddy or Gen defending for town cred?In post 6247, Generic wrote:
Are you being ironic there?In post 6233, KoreanBBQ wrote:or we could channel our inner BB Molla and pl the Bert slot for hammering Desp without a claim.
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There's also this
In post 6809, KoreanBBQ wrote:
This post she's talking about her and proph not being scum together but doesn't talk about SSK. Does this point to Titus scum/proph town?In post 6510, Titus wrote:
Then, you seriously need to relook here. The scum team you are suggesting makes no plausible sense. We both came in and scumread each other immediately (well he is scum you are right on that). Would scum orchestrate a double replace bus? That doesn't make sense unless the scum team was boned. Given the mislynches and shots, that's far from the case. You are running from all signs shots and deaths point to SH scum and are trying to link m with your byddies.In post 6507, Sakura Hana wrote:
I already gave many stancesIn post 6506, Titus wrote:Rather than the melodrama, what about giving hard positions that are consistent with the fcts?
Casso, SAD, gm, geists, Mara are town.
You, SSK and Proph are scum.
Generic, it sounds like no matter what I would do, you were just going to scumread me for what Ceph did.-
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Here's my post that shows Bert pushing on SSK but not committing to said wagon and his reaction.
And here's Gen's post (I misremembered he used "damning stuff" and not "smoking gun"In post 6241, KoreanBBQ wrote:Is this Bert sum or Bert town?
In post 3986, KoreanBBQ wrote:
hedging. Agree with Gens "point" so it gives him the flexibility to hop on a SSK wagon if it happens.In post 3912, Bert wrote:
Never seen it happen.In post 3909, Generic wrote:That's a point. SSK claimed doc by lived through the night? When does that EVER happen?
vote mafiaSSK
still pushing the idea that SSK is scum but not committing to the wagon.In post 3924, Bert wrote: also, SSK's tone and wording of claiming rings off. "I'm not getting lynched this time, no I'm not" and then "I am the doctor" - hard to explain, a tonality thing. However, he sounded like his claim was full of gold medal peepee in Ace Attorney and he was scum there, and evidently he is a lurker everywhere - see that Title thread where he got nommed for lurkerscum...In post 4916, Bert wrote:
How very annoying lolIn post 4323, KoreanBBQ wrote:Bert is scum 'cause he was pushing on the SSK wagon but didn't join it.
In post 6251, Generic wrote:Did he refuse to claim even at L-1? I don't remember it going down like that, but if that's true SC are fucking morons.
But that's for post game. As to your bert case, I already have my concerns about the slot, but you are in luck with the replacement. He is someone I have a decent amount of experience playing in games with on MTGS and have also hydra'd with him. If Proph has inherited a scum a lot I will know. And part of it will be if he stays quiet for long periods of time...
So with regards to your post I can see where you are coming from althoughit's not exactly damning stuff, but I have my eye on what Proph goes from here.-
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And yet you didnt say anything when I said the same thingIn post 6900, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
What is this shit I don't even...In post 6895, Prophylaxis wrote: Sakura Hana (8) -Tammy, Casso the King of Seals,DOMO,Ser Arthur Dayne, Sakura Hana,geists,Desperado,KoreanBBQ
Why is Sakura voting herself?
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Why did his doc claim make you think he was scum?In post 6943, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Also if you re-read you'll notice the moment he claimed doctor is the point I no longer had a null read on him and got a scumread.-
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This seems like a good plan but I don't know why Norl and SAD are so low. The only thing that's kinda worring me about Muffin is his kinda switch on Proph. Like I remember him saying something along the lines of "[his] reads are so weird I want to call him town." And now he's hardcore scumreading Bert's slot and maybe trying to manipulate me.In post 6910, Ms Marangal wrote:Here's what we are going to do.
we are going to lynch the following players in the following order
Titus
Pie
Prophy
Zmuffin
Sakura
SAD
Norl
F16
KBBQ
GM/myself
Nacho/thor
Geists
because we can afford to, and it is beneficial for us to force scum to kill the stronger players as early as they can, and still have to deal with stronger players who can sniff scum out later on. We will be getting rid of the weakest links, getting rid of the people scum could easily be using as mislynch bait. we aren't even going to think of lyncing Norl down unless we have to, everyone below him is, what I consider to be, the town block (or, rather should be)-
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KoreanBBQ Goon
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What do you think of that Fery?In post 5908, KoreanBBQ wrote:I vaguely remember playing in a game with F-16, this is the F-16 town meta I remember.
I think he makes good points about SAD and I think he's being helpful and I feel like he's genuinely hunting scum.
I think this post is strange. I remember him making a MD post about one shouldn't hunt anyone that isn't currently being discussed. This looks very similar to that.In post 5868, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The pool of players were too large. I wanted to focus on mutually agreed upon scumreads first and see if I can get a better read on Nacho in the meantime.
So I think he's town.-
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KoreanBBQ Goon
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What do you think of that Fery?In post 5908, KoreanBBQ wrote:I vaguely remember playing in a game with F-16, this is the F-16 town meta I remember.
I think he makes good points about SAD and I think he's being helpful and I feel like he's genuinely hunting scum.
I think this post is strange. I remember him making a MD post about one shouldn't hunt anyone that isn't currently being discussed. This looks very similar to that.In post 5868, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The pool of players were too large. I wanted to focus on mutually agreed upon scumreads first and see if I can get a better read on Nacho in the meantime.
So I think he's town.-
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January 23rd at 12:34 pm.In post 7098, KoreanBBQ wrote:Nero when was the last time we actually talked about stuff together?-
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ummm...it was awhile ago. I don't remember the topic name or anything....but I suppose I can look for it.In post 7101, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:I don't remember saying that in MD. Link?-
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