NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Generic advocating for Titus lynch over RC basically proves he's scum.

Vote: Generic

L-1.

Productive day. See you day 5.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Geists didn't want to vote the scums. I am paranoid that there's scum in the clears.

Geists is no longer a clear after finding out mafiassk is not the scum doctor. Sure, he could've just made up the fact he's a doctor to out the real doctor if one existed, but I think it's still likely that there is a scum doctor. And they can very well be Geists.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

vote Titus

Bzzzzt. Nope, he's not scum. Try again.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Unvote
Vote: SAD

that L-1 vote was bad.

You're quite terrible at this.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

Fairly certain I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. But yes, distracting inferences are always interesting to go through.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Unvote
Vote: SAD

that L-1 vote was bad.

You're quite terrible at this.

Answer me.

Is my answer actually supposed to be "me" or do you have a question for me that I missed during my selective reading.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

More to the point, who do you want to lynch toDay and why?

Scum:
Prophylaxis
pieguyn*

Town:
Ms Marangal
Casso the King of Seals
Norlkaz
goodmorning
Sakura Hana
Titus
KoreanBBQ

Have to look over:
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
geists
zMuffinMan

*Generic-Pie interaction looks so staged. So, so staged.

Not a huge fan of "You're quite terrible at this" from SAD - it's a potshot, with no attempt at trying to discern Sakura's alignment.

It probably has to do with that fact that I already think she's town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also DOMO, you need to get the geists paranoia out of your head.

In a game this size what are the chances you hit the only role you feasibly will read a scum player as town with?

Interesting...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VCA doesn't really work when you already have reads then go in and twists things so they can fit your reads

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Example:

Stuffed Crust

(11) (LYNCH) -

Cephrir

,

geists

,

Tammy

,

Desperado

,

Bert

, Sakura Hana,

MafiSSK

,

F-16_Fighting_Falcon

, Norlkaz,

pieguyn

,

KoreanBBQ

SCUMMY, TOWN, TOWN, TOWN, TOWN. Lynch ittttttttt.

I would expect at least two scum in this wagon, including SSK, probably three.

Well not shit you expect "at least two scum in this wagon, including SSK, probably three", you already told us you think ceph and f-16 are scum. You have 2 of your scumreads on the wagon, and then claim there are 2 (+mafiassk). Fascinating analysis!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sakura Hana (8) -

Tammy

, Casso the King of Seals,

DOMO

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

, Sakura Hana,

geists

,

Desperado

,

KoreanBBQ

Why is Sakura voting herself?

Would want to burn SAD for this, alone.

What is this shit I don't even...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And then there's me wondering why you have me as a scumread, yet you're not voting me.

Oh I'm sorry, does it make a huge difference to you?

See this is the thing I mean. You keep spewing things right and left that literally serve no purpose other than to look like you're trying.

Name one scum motivation for me "thinking you're scum" but not voting you. Go ahead. Enlighten me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

unvote, vote SAD

Larger wagon; Titus can wait.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why would scum have a lack of conviction in their reads rather than a townperson.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So do F16 and KBBQ.

Generic-KBBQ interaction points highly to them no being partners.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

PIE and SAD are town.

No and yes.

Why do you think Pie is town? Look at his interaction with Generic. It reads super fake.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sakura/Prophy Bus each other already!

Generic-Sakura interaction points highly to them not being partners.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sakura Hana (8) -

Tammy

, Casso the King of Seals,

DOMO

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

, Sakura Hana,

geists

,

Desperado

,

KoreanBBQ

Why is Sakura voting herself?

Would want to burn SAD for this, alone.

What is this shit I don't even...

And yet you didnt say anything when I said the same thing

A) I probably didn't read it.
B) I have a townread on you, so I'm really not interested in arguing with you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I have a townread on you, so I'm really not interested in arguing with you.

But wouldn't you want to us that you're town?

No.

a) I would much rather focus of figuring out scum.
b) Nothing I can say in reply to "lets lynch SAD" will convince anyone I'm town. It's your job to re-read the game, and then asking me questions if you want. I'm not starting an argument when people are presenting nearly 0 evidence (and have replied to everything people accused me of?), because that would be a stupid waste of time.

And if I'm PoE, I really can't argue vs that either.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I do like Arthur eviscerating Prophylaxis on his "votal analysis" so that makes me view more favorably. I am not sure if it is just a case of Proph being naive town and Arthur ripping him apart regardless of affiliation. "Votal analysis" is probably the most gimmicky pseudo-scumhunting tools I've seen in a long time.

It probably has something to do with the fact I disdain it when people say they're going to re-read/do VCA/whatever and go in with a bias and literally just look for things to confirm their PoV. It's perfectly fine when you say you're going to make a case against someone, but it's NOT when you do it to "come up with unbiased reads".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh yeah i remember i was voting you on the basis for putting Gen at L-1 allowing him to self hammer and cut the discussion short.

I was not willing to go through the ssk day again. Plus there was literally no scum-motivation for me putting him at L-1 (especially since I considered he'd do it) because mara right above me voted RC, so to be sincerely honest if I was scum I would have either bused early or have let it ride out for a little longer.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

Fairly certain I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. But yes, distracting inferences are always interesting to go through.

You're quite terrible at this.

Was your responsoe to it, do you have something different now?

This was my previous response and I still by the fact it's not a valid accusation because there's no scum motivation. Ending the day early to "end discussion" would've actually hurt scum because there was always the tiny chance people went for RC instead.

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

Fairly certain I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. But yes, distracting inferences are always interesting to go through.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur, was there a game where you did anything even vaguely similar to what you did with SSK, i.e. choose lynches based on the info they provided?

You mean Generic?

If so, yes, I thrive on scum-??? interactions.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No, I am referring to you defending SSK on D1 because even if he was scum, we wouldn't get any info about his partners.

Well again I was stretching there in an attempt to not get ssk lynched because it felt like one of those crappy end of the day lynches in which after a huge 100+ pages of discussion people lynch someone who was clearly null at that point.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also if you re-read you'll notice the moment he claimed doctor is the point I no longer had a null read on him and got a scumread.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hahaha see this is the shit I mean Sakura.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Pathetic voting with no case and then you wonder why I'm not rolling head over heels trying to convince you I'm town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why would scum have a lack of conviction in their reads rather than a townperson.

The answer to this should actually be pretty obvious.

Are you stupid or do you like to pretend so to lower people's expectations from you?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Scum know who's town and who's not.

Town don't.

Yet mysteriously town are supposed to believe in their reads stronger.

Logic.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh yeah i remember i was voting you on the basis for putting Gen at L-1 allowing him to self hammer and cut the discussion short.

I was not willing to go through the ssk day again. Plus there was literally no scum-motivation for me putting him at L-1 (especially since I considered he'd do it) because mara right above me voted RC, so to be sincerely honest if I was scum I would have either bused early or have

let it ride out for a little longer

.

Just because Mara voted RC doesn't mean that there's enough energy in the day to lynch RC.

....

You don't even care about reading or figuring out my alignment right? Because otherwise you should've read the part I've bolded, and wouldn't make such a terrible statement.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So who's good enough to analyze mafiassk's whopping 34 posts for scum-relationship tells if he flips scum?

Tammy responded to this defense as if this wasn't something you cared about normally, which alarmed me. Why did you start caring about them here?

VOTE: SAD

This is literally all Casso has presented against me this whole game. And I've already justified my PoV. About 50 times.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

A policy scumread really? That's what you've got. Then fucking lynch me. Scum won't shoot me with the policy lynch for winning as scum. You'll then lynch me in lylo and we lose.

So just lynch me now and get it over with even though it's impossible for me to be scum.

I agree the Titus AtE is pretty terrible but it's reading more of a defensive stance from town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why are you getting agitated?

Because there's a history of people mindlessly sheeping nacho/thor and I pretty much foresee it happening here again.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Working together =/= mindlessly sheeping nacho.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also I'm supposed to work together to secure my own lynch

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

nacho/thor isn't even the biggest pusher on your wagon, and he is the latest vote on your wagon, so I don't see where you are getting the "mindlessly sheeping" sentiment from. FURTHER MORE the people who were calling you scum yesterday weren't following Nacho.

Umm did you miss the part where nacho voted me like 2 days ago and Bert et al. piled up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Pieguy

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

pedit: I said to follow my lynch wagon, pie is number two, and it isn't likely that you are gonna get people to support you on him, least not right now

Yeah but voting for scum makes you feel soooo good.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You should try it

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The more I look at the Generic-Pie interactions the more it reads like two lovers flirting than people trying to figure each other's alignment.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

For anyone who thinks Titus is scum - currently I'm choosing to believe that Generic knew he was obviously going to get lynched. No scum who didn't know he would get lynched would counter-claim jailkeeper. Ever. Thus it would make much more sense to instill the "oh he was pushing Titus that must mean he knew Titus would flip scum" after he was lynched.

If you're reading an extra WIFOM level above or below this then you're either reading too much or too little into it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also for anyone rereading Generic notice how he changed his read on Pie several times erratically.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm quiet bc I really don't have anything left to do. I'm p sure of SAD/Titus/zmuffin and it looks like everyone else is seeing it too (or at least SAD/Titus, and I've already laid out why zmuffin is scum especially with SAD scum). plus it's got to the point where I have at least somewhat concrete reads on p much everyone. so I don't really need to do much of anything. I'm p much just waiting for SAD or Titus to flip and if it turns out I'm wrong I'll reevaluate

Well here's a revelation for you - I'm not actually scum. So you can stop your power-lurking and actually start putting in effort, because right now you're pathetic and useless with your "ohhhh I solved the game with my super awesome deduction skills that relies on not 1, not 2, but 3 people being scum, and I will offer no compromises or bother to reread, give analysis, or bother making a case. But it's k guyz I got this. *goes back on lurk mode*"

Guys I'm gonna go quiet bc I really don't have anything left to do. [skip some pointless shit]. I'm p much just waiting for Pie to flip and if it turns out I'm wrong I'll reevaluate.

Now imagine the whole town said something along those lines ^. How stupid would it look. Your apathy currently is not helping anyone whatsoever, and you're being dead-weight. I can't even try to determine your alignment anymore if you're being useless, and it looks like you have no intention of actually doing something that is mildly town-motivated anymore. I despise anyone who says some dumb shit like the thing you just said, because it gives us, the "accused", literally NOTHING TO WORK WITH.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I've already laid out why zmuffin is scum especially with SAD scum

Also this is pretty much why you should go back to Road to Rome.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm p much just waiting for SAD or Titus to flip and if it turns out I'm wrong I'll reevaluate

Also notice how he's already preparing for his back-tracking ^

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Let's see how dumb you feel when you like being sheeped on an incorrect wagon.

Unvote
Vote: SAD

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Is the scum situation that bad, or do you actually expect that to convince anyone that you look town?

Oh, you think this is me trying to convince "anyone I look town"? How cute.

No sir. This is me showing you your head is too far up your ass, and that maybe after I flip town you can get it out and actually start analyzing the game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No sir. This is me showing you your head is too far up your Smurf, and that maybe after I flip town you can get it out and actually start analyzing the game.

Oh...okay...so, guess it's time to flip you then, yeah?

Sure thing bu.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You seem quite worried with just 3 votes on you.

You can't be this dense.

It's almost like we didn't have this conversation 2 days ago:

Why are you getting agitated?

Because there's a history of people mindlessly sheeping nacho/thor and I pretty much foresee it happening here again.

Idk up until Day 3 people seemed to want them dead.

The irony is quite hilarious, seeing as you're the one mindlessly sheeping.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

We have presented quite a lot of reads and analysis this game, more than most I'd happily claim.

Have you attempted to re-read Generic since he flipped scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wow, and actually, it occurs to me you say that to me when two things are true;

1. We have presented quite a lot of reads and analysis this game, more than most I'd happily claim.

2. I literally just showed that I had trolled through your interactions prior to this because I knew your interactions were bad.

So, yeah, way to show just how unaware and non-scumhunting the Thor/Nach combo has been. man, we are really being sub par out here.

Also if this is an early attempt to make yourself feel good even though I flip town you're doing a pretty pathetic job at it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The irony is quite hilarious, seeing as you're the one mindlessly sheeping.

I'd happily mindlessly sheep Nacho or Thor (or Majiffy) any day.

I just lost every respect I had for you (granted it was little since I didn't know you before this game but etc).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

We have presented quite a lot of reads and analysis this game

No, I would never do anything like that.

Thor 2014.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

>_>

<_<

How hard would it have been to spoiler that mara.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

..Why do players on this site vote for themselves to accelerate their wagon?

Everyone on this site secretly wants to get lynched?

But to be more specific to

my

situation, it's attempting to prove a point that just because you think you're high of yourself doesn't mean you get to bullshit your way through the game, and actually expect to solve the game. If my flip achieves anything it should be that Thor gets off his high horse and actually starts putting in ~effort~ (as shadoweh would eloquently put it). Regardless of his alignment, what he's doing right now is beyond disgusting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

sad do you think proph is town?

Not really sure anymore tbh. I had a strong scumread on Bert, but Generic's flip and the replace in really haven't gone favorably to support that read. (The former is just because there wasn't any strong connection - besides Bert's chaotic voting back and forth - and the latter might be due to the fact newbiness always rubs me as town).

Tl;dr - Leaning scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Happy birthday F-16!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

>____>

<____<

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You know if you just want you can put the year you were born it it will automatically change your age on Jan 1 right without putting in the exact date.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Not really, depends on the way you look at it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Though I'll probably switch over at one point mainly because everyone on my wagon is either way too dense or GM.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Not that I particularly see why the major wagons of this day have to be me vs Titus especially considering I'd much rather go for Proph from the people being considered.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I need to look at the 3 people I listed in the null (in relationship to Generic) though before the day's end.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

F-16 hypothetical situation: If DOMO hadn't gotten a "no gun" on Geists how would you feel about them right now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like how much percent is the town read on Geists steaming from DOMO's role reveal.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Welp, the Generic-Muffin interactions are practically non-existent, Generic basically ignores mufifn the whole game, asks Bert about his read on muffin once, and puts him in his lower tier of suspicions

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So, what point did you want to make about Geists?

That I'm paranoid as fuck about them.

[quote="In post 7202And why is Titus town?[/quote]
Well I already had a town-read on Cephrir, I think Generic's play there at the end points to Titus being town (yes you can argue through the layers of WIFOM), and I basically haven't seen Titus do anything scummy. Weird, yes, but not particularly scummy.

Here, I guess we'll do this for now

Pie
Proph, muffin
Geists, Norlkaz, Casso
F-16, KBBQ, Sakura
FM, Mara

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ugh. My OCD compels me to fix this.

So, what point did you want to make about Geists?

That I'm paranoid as fuck about them.

And why is Titus town?

Well I already had a town-read on Cephrir, I think Generic's play there at the end points to Titus being town (yes you can argue through the layers of WIFOM), and I basically haven't seen Titus do anything scummy. Weird, yes, but not particularly scummy.

Here, I guess we'll do this for now

Pie
Proph, muffin
Geists, Norlkaz, Casso
F-16, KBBQ, Sakura
FM, Mara

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I knew I was forgetting something important >_>

Er... put Titus somewhere in the third tier?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

How did you develop a townread on Cephrir? All you said after your mega-argument with Cephrir is that he is "sadly" town. I don't get it.

Well to be fair that was like half-faked just to get a reaction out of him, and the way he responded rubs me as town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well it's always to be expected that when people calm down their read will generally get weaker as they begin to question if they truly thought you were scum or just raging. In fact if anything I would expect scum's reads to be more static just because it would be much easier to keep going "SAD is scum" because you've already had a large argument that half the people didn't bother reading and assumed that your argument lead you to believe that way, rather than having to change reads and begin pushing elsewhere.

Pedit: @F-16

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

he's indirectly opposing a behavior I'm doing to paint me as scummy.

I'm gonna stop you right there and tell you (if you actually decide to read the WHOLE game) me and F-16 were talking about Cephrir.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Pie how stupid do you feel right now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I love on these little satisfaction in life.

Think of me as a junkie waiting for my next fix.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

live*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And I love how you actually indiscreetly ignored the post that IS about you:

I'm quiet bc I really don't have anything left to do. I'm p sure of SAD/Titus/zmuffin and it looks like everyone else is seeing it too (or at least SAD/Titus, and I've already laid out why zmuffin is scum especially with SAD scum). plus it's got to the point where I have at least somewhat concrete reads on p much everyone. so I don't really need to do much of anything. I'm p much just waiting for SAD or Titus to flip and if it turns out I'm wrong I'll reevaluate

Well here's a revelation for you - I'm not actually scum. So you can stop your power-lurking and actually start putting in effort, because right now you're pathetic and useless with your "ohhhh I solved the game with my super awesome deduction skills that relies on not 1, not 2, but 3 people being scum, and I will offer no compromises or bother to reread, give analysis, or bother making a case. But it's k guyz I got this. *goes back on lurk mode*"

Guys I'm gonna go quiet bc I really don't have anything left to do. [skip some pointless shit]. I'm p much just waiting for Pie to flip and if it turns out I'm wrong I'll reevaluate.

Now imagine the whole town said something along those lines ^. How stupid would it look. Your apathy currently is not helping anyone whatsoever, and you're being dead-weight. I can't even try to determine your alignment anymore if you're being useless, and it looks like you have no intention of actually doing something that is mildly town-motivated anymore. I despise anyone who says some dumb shit like the thing you just said, because it gives us, the "accused", literally NOTHING TO WORK WITH.

Pedit: Nooo empire bro don't ruin my monologues

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

FOR F-16'S EYES ONLY

Spoiler:

I LOVE YOU <3

Okay now that people stopped reading this watch Pie take your theory and turn it into his and spend the rest of the day and probably the coming days repeating "muffin/titus/SAD zzzz I'm just gonna bullshit my way through the thread".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Now that I actually read your rage paragraph:

again he's being subtle and indirectly reinforcing the idea that I'm scum instead of doing it directly. this is a manipulative tactic as opposed to being direct about it and is scum behavior

Pie

Proph, muffin
Geists, Norlkaz, Casso
F-16, KBBQ, Sakura
FM, Mara

Lol?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

there's way more to it than his push on me. not to mention he's

misrep'd

me about 10 times now (not to mention others where he keeps claiming they've never made cases on him when they really did). but ok

I'm done.

I'm fucking done lol.

Imma go get a sandwich or a juice or both like panzer suggested.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Do you know that thing that scum do where they know they're obviously wrong and can't even continue to argue because they'll just be making a fool of themselves and then instead do that indirect thing where they keep accusing you but never directly or to you so you don't actually respond to what they say yet it gives them the opportunity to continue doing their initial accusations and bullshitting: See Pieguy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I feel like you're purposely being dense in an attempt to aggravate me. It usually is extremely hard for me to reach that level, but we can play the fake-game like we did with Cephrir if you'd like. I'm also going to include "checkmate" at the end of each of my replies because I think it looks cool.

Spoiler:

So you can stop your power-lurking and actually start putting in effort

this is a misrep - i've put in a ton of effort over the course of this game. i am also not lurking. i am reading the whole thread

Notice how I said start. Start could indicate one of two things.

a) You never started in the first place
b) You started and then stopped at one point, and I want you to start again. Also please don't lie and say you're reading the whole thread (we'll get to this more later).

Checkmate.

, because right now you're pathetic and useless with your "ohhhh I solved the game with my super awesome deduction skills that relies on not 1, not 2, but 3 people being scum,

it's p fucking obvious that i'm calling all 3 people as scum AT THE SAME TIME. i am saying all 3 of SAD/you/zmuffin are scum. how he wouldn't realize this especially after reading F-16's scumteam guess is beyond me - thus at this point it's an intentional misrep

Wut. Yes - you are saying all 3 of us are scum. How does that let you sit on your ass and do nothing for the rest of the game. Checkmate.

and I will offer no compromises or bother to reread, give analysis, or bother making a case

6649 he's done this to Nacho too. i have also done plenty of rereading and analysis

Oh I have answered those stupid accusations. Maybe close to 10 times. But then again... when you don't read the thread, it's very hard to actually know. Checkmate.

Also notice how he's already preparing for his back-tracking ^

another misrep - if one of my 3 scumreads is wrong then obviously i'm going to go back and figure out where i went wrong. this is basically a continuation of #2

Good. We can start with the just maybe hypothetical situation in which one of us is town. Because any non-dense person will evaluate all his options. Also it is preparing for backtracking. Don't kid yourself. Checkmate.

Your apathy currently is not helping anyone whatsoever, and you're being dead-weight

i am definitely not apathetic and i hope i'm not being dead weight. i have lost a lot of motivation but i'm sure as hell not apathetic

You are being apathetic because you have lost interest in analyzing new information and continuing to scumhunt and you're being deadweight for the same reason. Oh and you sure as hell are apathetic when you're posting every 48hrs. Checkmate.

I despise anyone who says some dumb shit like the thing you just said, because it gives us, the "accused", literally NOTHING TO WORK WITH.

i have given him plenty to work with over the course of this game. it's not my problem he doesn't wanna do anything with it

Great. And I've answered everything you accused me off. Yet you still want to lynch me, and offer nothing new. Funny how that works.

I'm gonna stop you right there and tell you (if you actually decide to read the WHOLE game) me and F-16 were talking about Cephrir.

this is a misrep - i have read the whole game

AHAHAHAHA

HAAHAHAHHAHA

PLEASE for the love of everything beautiful on this earth stop your bullshitting. You obviously thought I was talking about you ergo you didn't read the thread.

Nope. Don't try to justify it. Nope. Shut the fuck up and accept the fact that you didn't read the thread. NO. DON'T TOUCH THAT MOUSE AND SAY YOU DID.

Also grasphing for straws to identify my "misreps" is pretty bad. Tsk tsk.

I LOVE YOU <3
Okay now that people stopped reading this watch Pie take your theory and turn it into his and spend the rest of the day and probably the coming days repeating "muffin/titus/SAD zzzz I'm just gonna bullshit my way through the thread".

this seems to completely ignore the fact I've thought zmuffin/you/SAD was the scumteam for a while now and misreps it as me stealing the idea from F-16

F-16 posts a theory. You say you've had it for the longest time. Funny how that works.

Now that I actually read your rage paragraph:

this is misrepping the case on him - what i mentioned literally had nothing to do with said reads list. also interesting how he accuses me of not reading despite apparently not even reading my post. it's also misrepping my argument as a "rage paragraph"

You said I wasn't directly calling you scum. I list you as my number 1 scumread. How fucking stupid are you.

It is also a rage paragraph because it stems from the fact you never bothered reading the whole thread. If you had taken the extra 2 mins to read the thread instead of instantly raging on your keyboard then that paragraph wouldn't have existed.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also I love how you still can't face me directly because I see through all your bullshit.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also lynch GM at one point to prove the mason claim.

Just throwing that out there.

Umm yeah.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The obvious choice would be for mara to just take a picture of a handwritten paper that says something along the lines of "hi this is mara and I'm masons with GM in NY 169" and then for GM to link us that picture.

There, problem solved.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I think I just went on stalker mode and was looking at the wrong photobucket.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Shut up >_>

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm pretty sure ffery knows something about mara that GM doesn't. Er, or I hope so? Yeah.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

why are you still self-voting sad

I think it's doing me a lot of favors

But if it's that much bothering you;

Unvote
Vote: Proph

RE: Masons thing. We can just have them agree on an exact time they will both be here in the QT and then in the thread they post 'here' like 1 min apart or something *shrug*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also while im V/LA proxy my vote to Casso if that's allowed

That stopped being allowed.

Around 5-6 years ago.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

o.O

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i am typing this very slowly with my left hand while my right hand

That sentence ended very differently than the direction I thought it was going in...

Anyway we should probably get the geists/gm/mara thing over before day's end.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can probably dig a muffin wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

if you're actually pushing this as a reason to think i'm scum, then fucking lol

See like this feels fake and ooc.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Compare:

Muffin can start raking up some scumpoints for his recent posts.

cool. why?

also why geists scum and why casso town?

Also do you usually take suspicion on you this lightly/calmly, or are you trying to materialize this air of coolness around you by brushing off suspicion on you in an attempt to look town?

i'm a really cool guy. and your read progression on me makes me smile a bit

with

if you're actually pushing this as a reason to think i'm scum, then fucking lol

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If you have me as a scumread, SAD, then do you think I'm bussing zMuffin?

Hmm? You should know by now I do reads independent of each other, because people always fall into the predicting-scum-based-on-scumreads that haven't actually flipped which is stupid. For a good example see Pieguy in this game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

See like this feels fake and ooc

did you actually read proph's post?

All of it?

Seriously? You should know me by now

coz he's literally suggesting people are town/scum based purely on the number of interactions. like, read it.

Well I read the part about you and your response look like "I will belittle your accusation quickly and assertively" more than "lolol thats a terrible accusation".

Idk something about the wording of it, and the fact that a defensive statement (your first line) was your first reaction rather than "SERIOUSLY? LOL", and the latter looks like it was inserted to belittle, rather than be your primary reaction.

Uhh, imo?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

How the hell does the emote : x equal wtf >_>

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Do you really think that you flipping town will shake Thor from his high high horse? Because I don't.

Oh of course not but I'm just trying to make him feel bad shhh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I browsed Titan's play in that horror of a nightless game but Arthur didn't really post much during the meltdown phase (yet another towngame where he lurked to the end), so that didn't really turn out to be very fruitful at all.

Which one was that? Also if you're gonna browse any Titan game of mine it should be Mafiastuck instead...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

yet another towngame where he lurked to the end

Oh... Voided's game.

You know I replaced out of that one after Tammy replaced out of it because the reason I hydra'd in the first place was because I didn't have enough time right >_>

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh and you were in mafiastuck why would you choose to look at the nightless one instead when you clearly can tell I didn't have much time to play in that one >___>

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dude I miss Vifam

But anyway I don't get meltdowns >_> And in that game it was Tammy anyway

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'll vote SAD/zMuffin with you tomorrow.

You wound me F-16

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: SAD

Mara that's a bad vote.

You wound me too

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Guys I'm gonna let you in on a little secret.

It's muffin/pieguy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Faraday said to try it: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5350979

What no, Faraday posts aren't supposed to be taken seriously

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Then why are you voting Prophy?

Because I don't foresee those 2 getting lynched?

Proph is still a scumread, I just like some of their recent posts.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Pieguy

Good wagon is good.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Here's what we are going to do.

we are going to lynch the following players in the following order

Titus
Pie
Prophy
Zmuffin
Sakura
SAD
Norl
F16
KBBQ
GM/myself
Nacho/thor
Geists

Norl
Pie
SAD
Muffin

we lynch through this list of players, in no particular order, and this game should be done. If it isn't, there shouldn't be no more than one scum left, and this list

KBBQ
Proph
Titus
Sakura
Casso

should contain that last scum, assuming they are all alive at that point

Ummmmmmmmm

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Muffin whats your read on Pieguy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm gonna tell you without even reading that post that it is bad.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like you're doing that thing Tammy used to do before she got good where she just tunneled hard on someone and started accusing them of random things.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also ur dumb.

I'm still weirded about by his defense of SSK on the basis of being not good information; I like that he was so honest about the associative tell thing (yeah, it was a lie all along), but I'm not really sure what he was supposed to defend himself with as scum and that honestly doesn't look so great when his initial reaction was to lie about it, which would be for SAD-town.

I've already stated that I didn't want the mafiassk wagon to go through because there were better wagons. Plus, I may have exaggerated a few things here and there about my feelings towards the wagon, but I still thought it was a crap wagon because it was information-less. I just exaggerated the fact I don't really care about informational wagons that much *shrug*.

His switch on SSK also seems like an odd position to take; he doesn't seem to be getting boxed in by POE and I don't follow his case on SSK today, so the newfound scumread on him seems opportunistic. I like his snark, and I'm inclined to believe him when he says he wouldn't kill Tammy because he joined this game to play for her, but it's not enough for a townread.

Are you serious? I've already admitted that I think the claim by mafiassk was really weird, plus when domo claimed that just strengthened my suspicions. The "newfound scumread on him seems opportunistic"? Are you serious. Go back and read the posts of this day. You'll note that I was one of the very first people that indicated suspicion of his claim. I can't really see how you see that as opportunistic.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also I like how you just ignored the fact that I shitted on your last wall

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Here, I made tiers, enjoy!

Bert, Desperado
MafiaSSK, geists, Cephrir
pieguyn, BROseidon, KoreanBBQ, Norlkaz, zMuffinMan
goodmorning, Sakura, DOMO, Generic
Casso, F-16, MC Maraca

Top -> Down - Scummiest to least. People within a tier are arranged most to least also.

Don't ever touch anything in the last two tiers unless they claim scum (I mean or something nearly as bad or PoE?). The middle tier should actually be split into two with the first two being higher (and Ceph maybe joining them?), but w/e I like the symmetry of 5 tiers. If you're keen you'll also notice I've developed a scumread on geists!

Wait hold up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

FUCK

THIS

SHIT

Vote: Muffin

Here lets lynch actual scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Here, I made tiers, enjoy!

Bert, Desperado
MafiaSSK, geists, Cephrir
pieguyn, BROseidon, KoreanBBQ, Norlkaz, zMuffinMan
goodmorning, Sakura, DOMO, Generic
Casso, F-16, MC Maraca

Top -> Down - Scummiest to least. People within a tier are arranged most to least also.

Don't ever touch anything in the last two tiers unless they claim scum (I mean or something nearly as bad or PoE?). The middle tier should actually be split into two with the first two being higher (and Ceph maybe joining them?), but w/e I like the symmetry of 5 tiers. If you're keen you'll also notice I've developed a scumread on geists!

Wait hold up.

^ Quote isn't supposed to be there.

And yes I realize I'm spamming the thread >_>

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

how'd you get a townread on him when p much every single mention of him in your ISO up till then was complaining about one of his posts?

................................

I called you town even though I complain about every other post that you make. And I am re-calling you town, even though I am still complaining about your posts.

Does this mean we're scum together............

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ftr I've also done this to Cephrir and Sakura this game, and to a degree Bert (well I'm still not sure about that slot).

Ummm, that's a huge ass scum team if we're going on "who did SAD argue with/complain about but call town"

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

POE

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

But that trick doesn't work on me

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

But that's the fun of it!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

(Yes, Sherlock gifs are my specialty)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Talah (guy muffin replaced) definitely can be scum. Haven't gotten to Muffin.
On the other hand SAD 4449 which you just quoted looks a lot like a scum post as well.
Would be impressed if F16 or Pieguy flipped scum given scumhunting effort.

Why aren't you voting anyone?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote Titus with me. We'll make great things happen. I'll vote SAD/zMuffin with you tomorrow.

I think we should lynch Arthur.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

New crackpot,

F-16/Muffin.

You saw it here first.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I dislike the similarities of these patterns. I am having second thoughts again after re-reading his posts in other games. He feels town. I want him to be town since we agree so much. But I wonder if it is too good to be true.

What fence ya working on there?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur did defend SSK in a really weird way, almost as if he felt it was unfair that scum was getting deadline-wagoned through sheer luck.

The other side of the coin is that I felt it was unfair that town was getting deadline-wagoned for no reason?

You keep using the fact that he turned out to be scum to mean that what I did was wrong. It really wasn't, and if I had to do it again I would. That wagon was bad at the time, and there was no freaking way to tell what alignment he was, and there were better wagons.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: SAD

Good voting mara.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sad, I think you should just go ahead and claim.

For me its between you, Titus and Norl. I *might* entertain a Muffin lynch.

I am zzz doctor.

But srsly I'm VT. Should be pretty obvious anyway?

(Fyi there should be a mass claim at some point. Soon. Like very very soon.)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay some last thoughts in case I get lynched today (I'm gonna be out for the rest of the day) (I can't do tiers right now because they're gonna look weird and I don't know where to place half the people):

Pie - I honestly don't now anymore. He has these "passion" sparks that I look for in people like Tammy that make me sure of their towniness. However on Pie it's very rare and scattered out, and it just seems their not pushing in the game with the full force that they can. Just, their play makes it seem like they don't believe in what they're saying as much as they want others to believe that they believe what they're saying (if that makes sense). Gut says scum, brain says town. (And you should know by now which one I prefer from those two).

Titus - I honestly don't get why people think she's scum. Cephrir I got a townread after our argument, and Titus hasn't done any scummy things. As I said before, "weird", yes. But not scummy.

Proph - Bert was all kinds of weird. Like scummy weird. But proph has some really town posts, and now I'm starting to doubt that Bert's posts were scummy as opposed to just playstyle. Gonna call this slot town (I also like their push on muffin, it felt like they really did believe in what they were saying and I got a good vibe from it).

muffin - Okay, here's the thing with muffin. I feel like his play this whole game has been an attempt to look like that guy that everyone likes. He doesn't really push anyone strongly, picks on hanging fruit, and tends to buddy up to people. This is evident by the fact that ones I started suspecting him recently, his attitude towards me changed. I just feel like his play this who game has been a fake ruse he's put up just to not attract attention. I also don't like his response to proph scumreading him. As I already said it just reads very very fake.

Geists - Gut says town, brain says likely town but somewhat paranoid. But that paranoia is like 99% wrong. So just stick with them being town.

Norlkaz - Gut town, brain null. I just tend to get general good vibes from their posts. But like if you were to ask me right now what about their play is town, or some posts that are good and why they're good, I probably wouldn't be able to tell you. But again, I just have a moderate-strong gut town read on them. Though if they flipped scum I wouldn't be surprised that much.

Casso - Town. A lot of the things they have done points to that. I don't agree with some of their posts, but I still think they're town (mostly nacho's push towards the end of day 1 regarding the sakura and then the ssk wagon - though the latter might have been an attempt to bus a weak link for town credit but meh).

F-16 - Okay so I'm really paranoid over here. So I think a lot of what they're doing is town. However when POE hits it's kinda the first place my gut will attack. And I just REALLY dislike some of their recent posts in comparison to their rest. It just feels really opportunistic. I just think that they're one of the few people who should clearly see I'm town because they have experience with me and because I feel like they're one of those few people like Tammy who can read me good. They allude to them being able to read me good in several posts, and allude to them thinking I'm town, so their push on me recently just makes me go "wtf". Obviously that's not really enough to make them scum, and as norlkaz said I do feel like they've put too much effort to be scum, but some people are really good at that sort of thing (regfan comes to mind, I think empire is another one).

KBBQ - Gut reads them very very town. Somewhat like the norlkaz read, but to an extremer degree.

Sakura- Town. A lot of what she has done I can consider "anti-town". However I think her "no fucks given" attitude that she shows in some of her posts is consistent with a townie.

GM/Mara - Obviously werewolves with daytalk. Duh.

Gl town if I'm lynched! Er.. if not I guess I'll see you day 6?

(Yes I'm keeping my vote on muffin. By far my strongest scumread at the moment, and has the highest chance of flipping scum imo. There's a slight chance I will be able to check the thread again at some point, so I might be able to change my vote somewhere else (yes A.K.A preventing myself from getting lynched)).

Ugh this turned into a wall and I hate walls but oh well.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Town:
Mara
GM
Pie
Titus
Proph

Have to look at closer:
F-16
KBBQ

Look

extremely

terrible:
Casso
Norlkaz

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

vote: SAD

there were several places where zmuffin was cherrypicking in favor of SAD which makes me think scum buddies. I'll write it up later but the summary is he had a townread on SAD despite SAD doing a lot of shit he accused other people of doing. this makes me think his townread on SAD was entirely made up and they're scum buddies. with that SAD has scum-scum interactions with all 3 flipped scum

You're on ignore for the rest of this day because you're obviously extremely terrible at this game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay, so SAD is town. Now why do you think I'm scum so we can get that out the way and work together.

Idk you acted really weird towards the end of yesterday.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Your not-push-but-still-suspect that tuned into a weird push-the-shit-out-of-now on me was felt really out of place.

Pedit: @F-16

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh and I call you "they" because I always thought you were female till recently when I actually read the gender area but kinda still think you're female so call you they instead of having to go through the trouble of reminding myself

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

F-16 who looks worse Casso or Norlkaz

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

This:

Proph is doing a really good job if he's scum. He's probably today's counterwagon with most other options good lynches.
Muffin is fully viable as scum.
VOTE: Muffin
F16's Muffin-Titus-SAD scumteam looks really good. I think Casso may also be reasonable, but yeah.
I haven't looked at Arthur in full yet; that lynch may also be fine.

VOTE: SAD
Perhaps I am being impulsive off of a couple random posts of SAD's and missing the ones that made me prefer other lynches yesterday, but wheeeeee!
I saw a few more posts I didn't like and a couple of 'urgent' posts that were the kind of thing scum can easily rage about. "MUFFIN'S STATEMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOURS" is an easy thing to get up in arms about if it's true.
In general a scum's posting gets more intense when they get to argue with the Force of the Truth behind them. Scum have FoT when making statements relying on others making errors; Town have FoT a lot more consistently and particularly when talking about their own towniness.

VS

I'm thinking we should probably lynch Muffin.

Vote: Muffin

this is what the fox says

Tough choice.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ugh no I don't think both Titus and Muffin scums would've pushed Proph like that.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also like I don't think Titus scum would ignore the hell out of the muffin wagon like she did towards the end there.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: SAD

Ahahaha

Funny vote.

Kinda cute.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also like I don't think Titus scum would ignore the hell out of the muffin wagon like she did towards the end there.

This is actually a good point.

Why not? She is awkward about bussing buddies (I can finally say this now!).

You either bus or derail. Most scum are way self-conscious to ignore wagons on their partners, and I don't think Titus is one of the good enough scum to pull of ignoring the wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I missed hammering muffin by maybe 2 minutes.
Complaints that I should be more obvtown are fair but I am certainly getting there.

This is bad.

If I'm scum I did a really good job handling both muffin and SSK.
I don't get how SAD can look at my interactions there as a negative; if anything they're the clearest currently available reason I'm town.

This is bad.

Probably won't be hard to convince me to lynch Titus today though.

This is bad.

At this point you probably have sufficient information to rule me out as scum.

This is bad.

Any more bad posts in an attempt to look obvtown? Please get them out while you can so maybe you can go back to acting natural? Kthx.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Vote: Casso

I genuinely don't think nacho is bad enough to enter the game with a vote on me. He's doing that thing that scum do where they try to act confident in their reads.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@All, be very careful of the masons here. The logical kill is one of them, yet geists dies? This is positioning.

No it's actually not. Killing one of the masons CONFIRMS the other 100%. They rather keep them to fuel paranoia and b/c geists was just as town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Actually

Vote: Casso

I genuinely don't think nacho is bad enough to enter the game with a vote on me. He's doing that thing that scum do where they try to act confident in their reads.

Why is a vote on you bad?

Take a brief moment to indulge in an individual mental exercise where you try to read the game and THEN attempt to analyze it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Or of course, otoh, you're scum and just attempting to bs your way through the rest of the game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So after taking out conftowns/very strong town, we have:

F-16_Fighting_Falcon
Prophylaxis
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
Titus

And we have 5 lynches left so do the math and... voila!

Your reads are bad and you should feel bad.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And we have 5 lynches left so do the math and... voila!

Why are you assuming 4 scum as opposed to 5.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So we're looking at 5 scums total, right? (2 left if that's the case)

If that's the case, we have 5 lynches to lynch a scum.

11->9
9->7
7->5
5->3

If by this point we don't lynch scum and there is 2 scum we lose. Thus we have 4 lynches to catch scum if there are 2 scum left and 5 lynches to catch a scum if there is 1 left.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I kinda think there are 4 scum left but here's a good list to keep it on the safe side and assume 5 scum:

Casso
F-16
Norlkaz
Titus

We should 100% hit a scum. And if the two scum aren't dead and/or the game isn't over, we'll be al 3p LyLo, then you just simply lynch:

KBBQ

And GG.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I fixed myself on that last page.

Yeah I kinda stopped reading your posts once I read you had Proph as a scumread.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yes but you listed Proph over Casso and that means there's a huge problem going on with your pov.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I kinda found myself agreeing with Pie's 7626.

His analysis is actually not that bad when he's not is super duper tunnel mode.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why would scum-casso try to deadline lynch an encryptor D1?

Why wouldn't he?

Ssk was relatively useless so if I were in his place I would bus the shit out of him as early as I can also. Also you're over-estimating the power of an encryptor? Yes, some scumteams really benefit from it. But others couldn't give a shit about daytalk that much.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

He's also a player who is not likely to obvtown unless roles, and thus makes a decent lynch.

Notice how this also looks like it is setting up ssk for fake-claiming.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, which role do you think the remaining scum have?

Not speculating on any roles before a mass claim because that might give scum easier fake-claims.

Speaking of mass-claim, it should happen.

Like now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah I already claimed too so you can start popcorning I guess.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I haven't played with a JOAT in forever but do they usually just flip "JOAT" without the actual abilities or if they flip just "JOAT" are we suppose to assume that they have some particular standard roles or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Casso the King of Seals
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
Titus

^
our lynch list

That lynchlist is fucking terrible.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well it's actually not that bad tbqh but F-16 belongs on it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That's a good list but I am not feeling Norl for scum and am paranoid as hell about Pieguyn and his point about never lynching Casso made me fear a Pie-Casso team. Re-assure me as to why he is town.

C'mon bro Pie is so town it hurts

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sad is like really really ticking me off 'cause my slot is like so obviously town but he's trying hard as fuck to keep us mislynchable.

Name one thing you have done that makes you obvtown.

Go!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also you do realize the muffin lynch wouldn't have went through if I hadn't pushed it right?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why the hell would I call both Titus and Proph town (my counterwagons) and then push my scumpartner

And if you meta me and I'm not a hardcore busser.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well it's actually not that bad tbqh but F-16 belongs on it.

It is kinda retarded that you still think I am scum.

Oh it's actually not. Bzzzt. Thanks for playing. Try again later.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sad is like really really ticking me off 'cause my slot is like so obviously town but he's trying hard as fuck to keep us mislynchable.

Name one thing you have done that makes you obvtown.

Go!

Having two scum sitting on my wagon day 1. + I've caught a shitload of scum this game.

You named 9 players out of 19 and you're happy that there were 3 scum in it?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also you do realize the muffin lynch wouldn't have went through if I hadn't pushed it right?

To be fair, it wasn't your push that caused Muffin to get lynched, it was that most people had Muffin as a scumread so when Geists brought up that idea, we pushed it through. My contribution was probably more than yours so it doesn't make sense clearing yourself while still scumreading me.

You do realize if my vote wasn't on muffin the wagon wouldn't have gone through?

If you can't see that then idk how to help you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Casso the King of Seals
Norlkaz
Ser Arthur Dayne
Titus

^
our lynch list

That lynchlist is fucking terrible.

So is your play

Someone get me some burn heal for that one

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You do realize if my vote wasn't on muffin the wagon wouldn't have gone through?

If you can't see that then idk how to help you.

When you had your vote on him, he didn't seem like a viable lynch of the day. You were a much more viable lynch. It was only after the rest of us started pushing the lynch that Muffin lynch became a real possibility.

Excellent.

Now tie that to how I am obvtown for it and start preaching.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That's a good list but I am not feeling Norl for scum and am paranoid as hell about Pieguyn and his point about never lynching Casso made me fear a Pie-Casso team. Re-assure me as to why he is town.

What fence ya working on there?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

KBBQ... guess what?

You're scum and I'm not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That actually makes more sense with you as scum. Hypothetical scenario: Muffin pushes a counter-wagon to you and Titus. It appears that he is failing in his efforts to derail your lynch. You vote Muffin to distance from him on your way down assuming that he will look better on your scumflip. But then Geists and the rest of us get a hard on for a Muffin lynch and lynch him instead. You can't unvote because it would be a scumclaim. You had to remain committed to the bus you never wanted to happen. Your posts hardly did anything to drive a Muffin lynch. You were many people's top suspect and the influence from your posts was quite low.

If you

honestly

think this and you turn out to be town then there's not help for you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Btw

Okay, so SAD is town. Now why do you think I'm scum so we can get that out the way and work together.

Okay, so SAD is town. Now why do you think I'm scum so we can get that out the way and work together.

That actually makes more sense with you as scum. Hypothetical scenario: Muffin pushes a counter-wagon to you and Titus. It appears that he is failing in his efforts to derail your lynch. You vote Muffin to distance from him on your way down assuming that he will look better on your scumflip. But then Geists and the rest of us get a hard on for a Muffin lynch and lynch him instead. You can't unvote because it would be a scumclaim. You had to remain committed to the bus you never wanted to happen. Your posts hardly did anything to drive a Muffin lynch. You were many people's top suspect and the influence from your posts was quite low.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: F-16

I don't think I can live in a world where F-16 is bad. So I'm gonna go with Occam's razor and say scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also notice the dumb shit you're pulling:

You can't unvote because it would be a scumclaim.

Okay some last thoughts in case I get lynched today (

I'm gonna be out for the rest of the day

)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I have absolutely no clue why are acting as if changing my mind is scummy. Enlighten me.

Because it's opportunistic as hell atm.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also because as I already said before if you're town I genuinely think you would see me as town because you're one of the few people that I feel can read me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I actually missed that. It still doesn't refute the point I am making: You voted zMuffin with the thought that it was you who was going to be lynched, not him.

So.... if I were to flip scum would it not just point top muffin being scum because people would've concluded he had no chance of being scum and thus conclude that I voted him in a distancing effort

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I actually missed that. It still doesn't refute the point I am making: You voted zMuffin with the thought that it was you who was going to be lynched, not him.

So.... if I were to flip scum would it not just point top muffin being scum because people would've concluded he had no chance of being

scum

lynched and thus conclude that I voted him in a distancing effort

Fixed.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Your scumread on me makes zero sense. I don't get how you can read this game and still think I could be scum. I haven't played a game with you outside of a hydra and you seem to have changed your playstyle a lot since then. Why do you expect me to be one of the few people who can read you?

Because glimpses here and there in this game make is seem you can follow my chaotic playstyle.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I don't get how you can read this game and still think I could be scum.

Because your playstyle has changed 180 degrees in the past few days and I'm attributing that partly to the stress of being scum in a losing battle.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

F-16 do you admit your playstyle has changed (even if slightly) in the past 2 days.

If we can both see that we can start from there and be on the same page.

Pedit: Ugh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

f-16, Sad...top 4 scum reads GO!!!

Casso
F-16
Norlkaz
Titus

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I don't get how you can read this game and still think I could be scum.

Because your playstyle has changed 180 degrees in the past few days and I'm attributing that partly to the stress of being scum in a losing battle.

How has it changed?

You've become much MUCH more waffle.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

V/LA till Thursday/early Friday

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Titus

Yes I'm still on V/LA.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Cool, now that we're done with stupid lynches, perhaps we can actually lynch scum?

AKA Norl/Casso

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

also I don't think the Casso-Sakura interactions throughout the entire game make any sense at all from Casso-scum regardless of Sakura's alignment. -> Casso town

I still don't see your point about Casso being town if it's not Sakura/Casso scumteam.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

didn't you say you agreed with my analysis? why the flip flop

Oh I did. Which is why I should start ignoring everyone's opinions and focus on my own alone

and how'd you go from waffling on me to "so town it hurts"?

Because... you're so town it hurts?

Are you saying my reads are supposed to progress as the game moves

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

aren't*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sorry to disappoint you, but there's no significant chance of lynching me this game.
It turns out I'm town, I'm here, and my volume is only going to go up.

See like this doesn't actually work when you don't read town.

Also it look dangerously close to the scum's "I'm obv town whoever wants to lynch me is stupid" thought.

Interesting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@Pie okay I might see your point (even though I think people should play the game emotionally detached in game (versus out of game) but w/e).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

also the way you called it a stupid lynch sounds like you thought that's what it was before the actual lynch. you're lamenting everyone else for what you thought was a "stupid lynch" which makes it sound like you were always against her lynch.

Umm well yeah I always had this deep gut feeling that she was town (see my thoughts on her before I agreed with you) and basically got "peer pressured" (idk I hate that term but can't think of something better atm) into thinking she was scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

also plz explain your read on me

Mostly gut, but your posts have started reading genuine when you're not HARDCORE TUNNEL MODE, and you seem to be genuinely scumhunting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm also wondering why you're not telling me my reads are bad despite you literally doing the exact same thing to other people who have you as scum via POE. is it bc you're trying to buddy me?

See my previous points: I don't ACTUALLY care what the particular reads are as long as I can see where a person is coming from.

Besides I'm a hardcore buddier as scum and generally push on hardcore buddy mode right in the beginning. See http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=24646

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

also the way you called it a stupid lynch sounds like you thought that's what it was before the actual lynch. you're lamenting everyone else for what you thought was a "stupid lynch" which makes it sound like you were always against her lynch.

Umm well yeah I always had this deep gut feeling that she was town (see my thoughts on her before I agreed with you) and basically got "peer pressured" (idk I hate that term but can't think of something better atm) into thinking she was scum.

How, exactly? You didn't seem to have a problem resisting lynches elsewhere.

Because literally everyone else thought she was scum and I was like "fuck it maybe I'm wrong"?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sakura the fact that you have started putting 0 effort into this game is really worrying.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@Pie do you think sakura can pull what she did as scum?