NY 169: The EPIC XD Mafia Game of Greatness (Game Over)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So do F16 and KBBQ.

Generic-KBBQ interaction points highly to them no being partners.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

PIE and SAD are town.

No and yes.

Why do you think Pie is town? Look at his interaction with Generic. It reads super fake.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sakura/Prophy Bus each other already!

Generic-Sakura interaction points highly to them not being partners.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sakura Hana (8) -

Tammy

, Casso the King of Seals,

DOMO

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

, Sakura Hana,

geists

,

Desperado

,

KoreanBBQ

Why is Sakura voting herself?

Would want to burn SAD for this, alone.

What is this shit I don't even...

And yet you didnt say anything when I said the same thing

A) I probably didn't read it.
B) I have a townread on you, so I'm really not interested in arguing with you.

[Sakura Hana]

I have a townread on you, so I'm really not interested in arguing with you.

But wouldn't you want to us that you're town?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I have a townread on you, so I'm really not interested in arguing with you.

But wouldn't you want to us that you're town?

No.

a) I would much rather focus of figuring out scum.
b) Nothing I can say in reply to "lets lynch SAD" will convince anyone I'm town. It's your job to re-read the game, and then asking me questions if you want. I'm not starting an argument when people are presenting nearly 0 evidence (and have replied to everything people accused me of?), because that would be a stupid waste of time.

And if I'm PoE, I really can't argue vs that either.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I do like Arthur eviscerating Prophylaxis on his "votal analysis" so that makes me view more favorably. I am not sure if it is just a case of Proph being naive town and Arthur ripping him apart regardless of affiliation. "Votal analysis" is probably the most gimmicky pseudo-scumhunting tools I've seen in a long time.

Mara, why would we lynch you/GM before Casso? Are you combining how town someone is with how good a player is? Walk me through how you made that list.

[Sakura Hana]

=/ OK i guess, you do have a point there

Unvote
Vote: Titus

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah i remember i was voting you on the basis for putting Gen at L-1 allowing him to self hammer and cut the discussion short.

[Sakura Hana]

You're quite terrible at this.

Was your responsoe to it, do you have something different now?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I do like Arthur eviscerating Prophylaxis on his "votal analysis" so that makes me view more favorably. I am not sure if it is just a case of Proph being naive town and Arthur ripping him apart regardless of affiliation. "Votal analysis" is probably the most gimmicky pseudo-scumhunting tools I've seen in a long time.

It probably has something to do with the fact I disdain it when people say they're going to re-read/do VCA/whatever and go in with a bias and literally just look for things to confirm their PoV. It's perfectly fine when you say you're going to make a case against someone, but it's NOT when you do it to "come up with unbiased reads".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh yeah i remember i was voting you on the basis for putting Gen at L-1 allowing him to self hammer and cut the discussion short.

I was not willing to go through the ssk day again. Plus there was literally no scum-motivation for me putting him at L-1 (especially since I considered he'd do it) because mara right above me voted RC, so to be sincerely honest if I was scum I would have either bused early or have let it ride out for a little longer.

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

Fairly certain I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. But yes, distracting inferences are always interesting to go through.

You're quite terrible at this.

Was your responsoe to it, do you have something different now?

This was my previous response and I still by the fact it's not a valid accusation because there's no scum motivation. Ending the day early to "end discussion" would've actually hurt scum because there was always the tiny chance people went for RC instead.

I actually don't have one, i had them as town a couple game days ago, but that L-1 vote let Generic self hammer ending the discussion.

Fairly certain I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. But yes, distracting inferences are always interesting to go through.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Arthur, was there a game where you did anything even vaguely similar to what you did with SSK, i.e. choose lynches based on the info they provided?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur, was there a game where you did anything even vaguely similar to what you did with SSK, i.e. choose lynches based on the info they provided?

You mean Generic?

If so, yes, I thrive on scum-??? interactions.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

No, I am referring to you defending SSK on D1 because even if he was scum, we wouldn't get any info about his partners.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No, I am referring to you defending SSK on D1 because even if he was scum, we wouldn't get any info about his partners.

Well again I was stretching there in an attempt to not get ssk lynched because it felt like one of those crappy end of the day lynches in which after a huge 100+ pages of discussion people lynch someone who was clearly null at that point.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also if you re-read you'll notice the moment he claimed doctor is the point I no longer had a null read on him and got a scumread.

[Empire]

Day 5, Votecount 6

Titus (3)

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Norlkaz, Ms Marangal, Sakura Hana

Ser Arthur Dayne (3)

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pieguyn, Prophylaxis, KoreanBBQ

Prophylaxis (2)

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zMuffinMan, Titus

Not Voting (5)

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geists, Casso the King of Seals, F-16_Fighting_Falcon, goodmorning, Ser Arthur Dayne

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch! Deadline is on February 12th at 7:35 AM EST or in (expired on 2014-02-12 08:35:22).

Mod Notes

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[KoreanBBQ]

Also if you re-read you'll notice the moment he claimed doctor is the point I no longer had a null read on him and got a scumread.

Why did his doc claim make you think he was scum?

[Casso the King of Seals]

First blush vca on day 1. This does not include day 2.

Major wagons existed on SSK, BBQ, Sakura and F16.

SSK vote parking on BBQ suggests he isn't scum but notably SSK didn't vote BBQ when he could actually be lynched.

F16 stands out because he was a major wagon and his voters were people who I have little problems with.
Sakura's wagon is pretty much the same. Sakura self-voted. Casso really demolished the Sakura wagon with his talk to me unvote. Really, at L minus 1, Sakurahas every incentive she needs to talk to claim.
Sakura vote shifted a lot but was rarely on the SSK wagon, if ever.

The demolition of the SH wagon forced the group to deadline mode. SSK withholds his PR claim long enough to give the group the ability to mislynch. Notably, SH is skipped along with Casso. Bert jumps onto the SC wagon when he could have sheeped the SH wagon.

Right now, VCA without reasons suggests Sakura, SSK scum, weak read on F16. Yet an even weaker one on Prophy. Casso is also not sitting right now, particularly for 3711 through 3715. SSK goes from null to scum very fast.

Korean, I say who the scum are, not who I hope buys it. Either I am right or I am wrong. All the SSK votes do is suggest you are not scum. Vig softclaim strongly suggests you are scum. Take your null and b happy.

Yeah your wagon might have reached 8. The whole point is the scum don't vote each other when they think it can go through. Don't try to force me to townead you. It won't work.

Casso, I don't know why Nero would crumb that. I don't know his scum team, their dynamics, etc. I look at the what, then answer the why.

There are the posts you asked for.

I thought you were townreading BBQ because of some VCA they did and I was wiggling out a bit, this makes a hell of a lot more sense.

[Casso the King of Seals]

still not a fan of the SAD wagon, i'm looking at SAD/SSK in ISO and the interactions with SSK are almost too blatant to be scum-scum. like, way too blatant.

i have some thoughts about why f16 is thinking about the information thing the wrong way, but SAD can answer that before i talk about what i'm thinking here.

Muffin. His play in this game has been absolute shit, centered around one read that he's not sure of

um... yeah, no. it's not that i'm unsure of the read - i think you're scum, it is the read i'm most sure of in this game and nothing you're doing is changing my mind here - but i know that my reasons for thinking this aren't going to persuade anyone. especially when ffery seems convinced this is your town game, and others are supporting this idea.

i have some time over the next couple days so i can actually do some reading here. i might put effort into making a proper case on you while i'm doing this.

You're not pushing me because you don't think anyone will listen? You never struck me as a Cassandra type.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Poor Sakie doesn't wanna bus. She doesn't say what interactions. She's basically voting me cuz she doesn't like what I'm saying.

Generic was playing for one more mislynch before he died.

Suppose that I am scum (for sake of argument but I am not), Generic then succeeds in getting me lynched.
Generic then doesn't die immediately. Cowbells cannot die because of the fact it will out Generic as lying.

Scum likely have 1-2 more players. SSK, Generic, Titus, ???, ???. I and SSK are dead. The real jailkeeper can be free to move about, blocking kills and announcing who was jailkept.

Scum are also in a position where they must kill quickly. Yet, Generic cannot be sent for the kill due to the high likelihood of him being jailkept.

The likelihood of RC stopping a kill increases more and more as there are fewer people to pick from.



It's facially implausible Generic would leave his scumteam in that position. Move on Sakura and scumhunt.

I don't think that Generic thought he could get you lynched.

[Casso the King of Seals]

Cephrir, my prior slot holder, pushes for the confscum and that makes me suspicious F16? Are you high or drunk?

I like the coaching theory even with daytalk. Scum have to interact with each other at some point. Helping scumbuddies diffuse suspicions is good. Also the presence of daytalk is part of the reason I cannot clear KBBQ.

GM, Generic self-hammered before we'll ever know if that was true.

Piegyn, your townblock needs serious work if Bert was in it prior to Prophy replacing in. His posting has sucked compared to his town games. Bert's behavior sucked.

You can't clear BBQ because day talk why again?