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So Angel is worried about where my "fake" vig goes.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Angel scum trying to figure out who I want to target. lolOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I'll let the mod tell me your alignment. Thank you.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Who was scum the scum driving your wagon?In post 2975, Rena wrote:The wagon on me is probably scum driven.
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Shouldn't you have another power?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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his wagon went pretty fast though which always creeps me out.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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lol. AK hammered. I am so fake vigging that tonight.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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ppft. I thought that Kitty hammeredOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I don't think you know what a deflection is. Asking a player a question to see if their reads are manufactured or genuine is not a deflection. You can't both deflect and answer a question at the same time.In post 3251, Bulbazak wrote:Also, it's like deflectception with you... Do you think that Kitty's scummy, and you want me to look at her instead? Is that it?
KK is a pretty strong town read for you. I would think you might listen to your town reads.In post 3251, Bulbazak wrote:Am I supposed to base my scumhunting on what someone else thinks now? That's a sad defense. "Well, he doesn't think so, therefore it's not valid." Let's stick with the actual points, shall we.
Also, there are a lot of other things going on, why are you obsessed with something that is admittedly minor in the grand scheme of this game, instead of paying attention to what is going on now and actively scumhunting?
And if think that I haven't been scumhunting this game then you are a moron.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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all that scum hunting from the Haylen slot.
vote: Haylen/RenaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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but Nero isn't scum. How can he explain something that isn't true?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why? He's prob town 'cause scumcho was voting for him.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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You rather me vote for you over other scum read in Haylen. Why?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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no, that's a scum claim from Nacho.
I vote scumHaylen in 3385.
Nacho votes me 'cause we are "Both are generally solid votes." + it means that his "scum read" on Thad wasn't very strong and likely made up 'cause there was no reason to switch.
He then says "You don't have a scumread on me that's strong enough for you to vote me."
Which is totally untrue 'cause day 1 was voting him and day 2 Thez was outted scum so meh.
I then tell him that I'm voting another scum read.
This quote has absolutely nothing to do with anything and isn't a valid response. + it contradicts 3388. Why would he call Rena a solid vote if he didn't have a scum read?Nachomamma8 wrote:The Haylen scumread which I never had?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So why switch? You weren't getting any Thad support?In post 3404, Nachomamma8 wrote:By both are solid votes, I meant you and ThAd.
What would I ever do without you? Thank you for telling me what *I* think. I have scum reads on both of you and I'm not picky in who we lynch.In post 3404, Nachomamma8 wrote:You're acting like the one on me is stronger, so I wonder why you're voting her over me.
No, not really. I mean this looks like scum lurking to me. + I like what Cephir pulled up.In post 3407, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay, I want to hear Nero Cain's Haylen/Rena case. Is it more than just "no scumhunting"?
This sounds like something Mastin would say.In post 3414, Bacde wrote:Is nero easy to push on because he's not very charismatic? Yup
I'll get to bulb later.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So you think I'd just make up something that never happened? lol Just 'cause I'm lazy and don't feel like playing quote mine mafia doesn't mean that I'm refusing to discuss things with you. I think your attack on me is weaksause and I therefore called you on it. I don't know if you are scum attacking me or town. I find it utterly pathetic that you are whining about being called out on a shit case.In post 3428, Bulbazak wrote:Nero, I also asked you to quote your point about Kitty doing the same thing in the same post. Ergo, I was giving you the opportunity to defend your side of the argument and put me in the hotseat by having to defend mine or concede the point. I was ready to give you the benefit of the doubt, because maybe you had a point. Instead, you blatantly attack me for even suspecting you. By actually quoting and asking me the question from there, you would have shown an eagerness to actually scumhunt and get to the point of this entire conversation, which I imagine is to develop a read on me, but you were more interested in attacking me and defending yourself instead, as if you shouldn't be suspected whatsoever. So, yeah, you're deflecting. You're refusing to actually discuss the point, seeking instead to discredit me. And because of all this, you are a strong scumread.
Are you the last blue?
What is your read on Bcade?In post 799, Amethyst Kitty wrote:@Nero:
4/13 - I don't see it as a huge wagon. You are flipping out over stupid shit. You are trying to sling mud yet you don't call out Bacade for his 5th vote ON Nacho?
This.In post 3441, Cephrir wrote:
This is an absurd simplification and blatantly ignores the relevant parts of the caseIn post 3434, Bulbazak wrote:
You mean Fuzzy liking a cute fox picture?In post 3433, Nero Cain wrote:
No, not really. I mean this looks like scum lurking to me. + I like what Cephir pulled up.In post 3407, Kublai Khan wrote:Okay, I want to hear Nero Cain's Haylen/Rena case. Is it more than just "no scumhunting"?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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My god I want this dead.In post 3474, Rena wrote:So why are we lynching me? Because you know not giving reasons to allow the person to defend themselves is as scummy as hell, right?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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tell that to KOC.In post 3477, Cephrir wrote:Asking for a case isn't scummy, but I could do without the OMGUS that came with it.
Though its not like reasons haven't been given.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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*head explodes*
I never said anything about you not asking for a case.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why waste my time quote mining and writing up a case when you are doing a bang up job of convincing others that you should be lynched?In post 3488, Rena wrote:So why haven't you delivered?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I lol'd
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but if you read that why are you pretending like no reasons have been given?In post 3504, Rena wrote:I read that Kublai and ignored it because bullshitzOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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If you are the golden townie then I'm a millionaire.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So if you didn’t think that I was making it it up why asking me for a quote?
I never said that.So you think I'd just make up something that never happened?
And I JUST quoted AK’S post since quotes are so goddamn important to you so what’s your response?
I still think that Haylen/Rena is still very possible sum, even with the claim but THIS is liar scum.
I made the post that Nacho is referring to in 3398 however, Nacho made the vote change 10 posts earlier in 3388 in what looks like, IMO, a chainsaw of Haylen. So Nacho is clearly lying about why she decided to switch.In post 3533, Nachomamma8 wrote:
your "scumcho is voting him, so he's probably town" post.In post 3471, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?
Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho. Bulb is being majorly stupid and could be scum I guess. Thad could be scum given Hanzo_5 and Rena is still all kinds of yuck. But these are all probable scum and I rather lynch a sure thing.
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nope, we are killing liar scum Nacho today.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 3533, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 3471, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?
your "scumcho is voting him, so he's probably town" post.
I made the post that Nacho is referring to in 3398 however, Nacho made the vote change 10 posts earlier in 3388 in what looks like, IMO, a chainsaw of Haylen. So Nacho is clearly lying about why she decided to switch.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yep, scum never ever attack each other. Its so silly for me to think they do.In post 3640, Bacde wrote:
Do you really think this?In post 3623, Nero Cain wrote:Still think its a possibility that Bcade was early distancing from scumCho.
I'm so amazed by this I just need you to confirm that you actually think thisOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Oh like your posts are full of kind patient resolve.
After any scum lynch town should always ask themselves "Was this a bus?" "Were the interactions between these players town on scum or scum on scum?"Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why would town Nacho lie about why she switched her vote?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Nacho claims she switched her vote to me b/c of a post that was madeAFTERshe already switched her vote ergo she lied.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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fixed pronouns. lolIn post 3655, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho claims he switched his vote to me b/c of a post that was madeAFTERhe already switched his vote ergo he lied.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 3398, Nero Cain wrote:Why? He's prob town 'cause scumcho was voting for him.In post 3533, Nachomamma8 wrote:
your "scumcho is voting him, so he's probably town" post.In post 3471, Nero Cain wrote:Nacho, what made you switch your vote from Thad to me?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you actually think that my vote on Rena is a scumtell?!?In post 3663, Nachomamma8 wrote:I misremembered that post because I was talking about it with it.
But the post I voted you for is quoted in my votepost.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Eh, Nacho looks like scum to me. I guess they could be scum from different teams.In post 3664, Kublai Khan wrote:I don't think so. Given that they have history, it looks more like scum-Bacde obfuscating any potential read that Nachomamma8 can get on him.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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You think there's a difference in our "deflects" 'cause I'm calling her scum?!? But this is still very much incorrect. The Mala head DID have a scum read on me and Mara was even ok with it until recently.bulb wrote: The big difference between this quote and what you did is in tone. Kitty's question is more about the standards of the one questioning her, rather than pointing attention towards someone who did something similar. She is also not as offended with the inquiry as you were when Khan asked his question. Finally, in this instance, she is actually being called scum by you, whereas Khan was just asking a simple question and had not made any accusation, which makes your freakout even more suspicious.
And for those who are curious themselves, here is Nero's response to Khan again:In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote:
Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.In post 2583, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball
How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?
But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?
+ why am I not on your town list?
Kitty did the EXACT same thing as me. I called her fourth vote on Nacho (and her "oh I didn't know there was a Nacho wagon") opportunistic. Her questioning me about why I didn't call out Bcade for his 5th vote (despite him already being on the wagon therefore he wasn't the 5th vote) is no different then my questioning KK over why he didn't question others that were setup speculating.
Also, context says that Khan was light calling me scummy.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yeah 'cause I haven't been scumreading that slot since day 1. Fucking die scum.In post 3690, Nachomamma8 wrote:it was a lazy bullshit vote. there are a lot of slots that haven't done shit to scumhunt (ThAd's is a big one), but why do you single out Rena?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I did.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you were saying, Mollie?In post 3623, Nero Cain wrote:I still think that Haylen/Rena is still very possible sum, even with the claimOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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sureIn post 3713, Kublai Khan wrote:Given the thezmon221 lynch, it's very unlikely Bacde is bluescum. So Bacde would have to be redscum. So, is Nachomamma8 bluescum?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I find Nacho scummy. Bacde is playing different then I've seen him as town + it looks like he's being pretty fickle. Weather they are bussing or from different scum teams, I don't really care. Its also possible that one is town (bcade?) and the other is scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Are you like sane? You ask how I've seen you play as town and then you proceed to note that we've played together but I'm pretty sure its still ongoing so I'm not going to talk about it.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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except there were plenty of other reasons given and you'd know this if you weren't scum lurking. Sure inIn post 3746, Nachomamma8 wrote:You were scumreading Fuzzy's slot for "not scumhunting", while not scumreading ActionDan for "not scumhunting" or Hanzo for "not scumhunting" or ThAd for "not scumhunting".THATpost the only thing I said had to do with Rena's lack of scumhunting but like I said, I've suspected that slot since day 1.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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We aren't shooting or lynching me at all. Bcade and Nacho want me dead for shit all reason and it makes me paranoid.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yep, only town would want to get mislynched/vigged. I'm so scummy for not wanting to waste a lynch/vig shot.In post 3786, Bacde wrote:
I dunno, I don't particularly suspect you beyond OMGUS (especially because I don't understand why you have had a continuing suspicion of me for a few days)In post 3783, Nero Cain wrote:.....................
my point is that there's no reason at all to suspect me other than the fact that I suspect both of you so it looks like nothing more than OMGUS. wHY DO YOU SUSPECT ME bACDE?
but Nacho is a good scumhunter, and he suspects you
so I figure if we flip nacho and he winds up town you'd be a good vig shot
but I'm willing to substitute in your place its not a big deal especially since I'm pretty sure nacho is scum
are you being defensive right now? Its hard for me to tell whats going on inside your head
This whole "Nacho is a good scumhunter so he as town has to be correct about Nero." is nothing but a big pile of bullshit and potential chain lynching. It also seems incredibly lazy.
Who are your top 4 scum reads?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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.......................................................In post 3813, Bulbazak wrote:Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere
there is no fucking difference!!!Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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It was the same question. I asked KK why he wasn't looking at the others (note one of those others flipped scum) AK asked my why I wasn't looking at Bacde. It was the same thing and you pretending like it wasn't is massively stupid. This is scum with Nacho.In post 3822, Bulbazak wrote:
Saying "Nuh Uh!!!" is not a rebuttal.In post 3814, Nero Cain wrote:
.......................................................In post 3813, Bulbazak wrote:Again, the difference is that Kitty was asking about YOUR motivations, while you asked Khan why he didn't look elsewhere
there is no fucking difference!!!Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I need to start taking notes.
Thad is in a neighborhood with PV AND he's a 2 shot vig?
Rena is a claimed watcher that visited OM n1 and Bcade n1 2?
CTD is in ANOTHER neighborhood?
Didn't we have a third claimed neighborhood?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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this is correct.In post 3837, Desperado wrote:Thad claims X-Shot, not 2-Shot
I'm think THAD is scum based on his role claim but the extra kills could be useful. I don't think I want to kill him today.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Why do you waffle on me Mollie? I might be ok with an AK lynch, but if AK flips scum we are deff killing Bulb.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So why was it not scummy on days 1 and 2? Why was my attack on Rena scummy but you didn't question any of the other players that followed me onto Rena?In post 3852, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't like his push on the Rena slot because it's lazy as fuck and scummy.
I'm relatively certain that I wasn't. Though I did find it scummy when he claimed he was way back on page 3. That looked like some hardcore stalling.He was attacking fuzzy for "not scumhunting" D1
We've played in one game together, I want to say two games but I can't think of the other. So yes, I have experience with him but I wouldn't call myself an expert or anything.and his suspicion of Bacde "this is not like the town Bacde I KNOW" even thought he doesn't really have any experience with him in the first place is just terrible.
lol no. My read on you has never waivered.His backdown from his scumslip on me when Khan questioned him on his thoughts of a me-Bacde partnership smelled fake, as does his reasons shifting from LIAR SCUM to "I'm just paranoid because they suspected me for no reason ".
IDK, I think all three of you are scummy. This whole "guess who my buddies are" is just cheeky scum trying to squirm out of a lynch.In post 3852, Nachomamma8 wrote:I thought Bulb was scum with me, not AK.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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What was this a reply to?In post 3856, Slandaar wrote:Multiball is completely different to a one scum team game most people's posting will improve drastically in multiball as scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Would you hush?
Somewhere over in MD Mastin has said two things, that town will always post scummy things and that what's scummy for one player isn't always scummy for another player.In post 3909, Amethyst Kitty wrote:his reasons for suspecting people aren't the best and he often thinks that the most anti-town player is scummy.
I mean maybe my tells are a lil' dated since site meta seems to have shifted to "I'm going to play scummy regardless, now guess my alignment." Fuck, even OS (and Mastin?) has said he plays a little (I think its more like ALOT) scummy as town.
As for OS, I think I made it clear that he was prob town but that I didn't actually care if he died.
but whatever, I don't give a fuck what you think.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 3917, Sugar Cain wrote:So you think the Cephir is redscum hunting the blue team or is there more?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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hrmmmm...hrmmm...I'm trying to decide if this is scum or "too stupid to be scum"
Khan calls me out for speculating on the setup. If he thought it was scummy for me to speculate, why did he not call out the others that were setup speculating? Ergo I'm questioning why he found my setup speculation to be scummy and trying to determine if he's being honest.In post 3967, Bulbazak wrote:
Let's look at them side by side:In post 3833, Nero Cain wrote:
It was the same question. I asked KK why he wasn't looking at the others (note one of those others flipped scum) AK asked my why I wasn't looking at Bacde. It was the same thing and you pretending like it wasn't is massively stupid. This is scum with Nacho.
It's all about the wording with your post. You are not asking about Khan's criteria for questioning you. You are instead asking him why he's not questioning 3 other players. Look at how you phrase it: "Why is this a sin for me but not them?", with "sin" being the key word. You are hereby implying that Slaandar, Bacde, and myself should also be considered scummy and that Khan should look at us. You then follow this up with "Why am I not on your town list?", AKA "Why do you not think I am town? I should have town points from you, especially given the scummy people I just handed to you.". Compare this to Kitty's post, who you also diverted attention to in a like manner:In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote:
Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.In post 2583, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball
How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?
But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?
+ why am I not on your town list?
Her focus is not on being proved townie, it is about you and your criteria. When she asks about Bacde, she is not trying to divert attention to him. Instead, she is asking about your criteria for your scumtell, which seems to be opportunistic. You are the focus of that last sentence, not Bacde, whereas Khan was not the subject of your post. Also, your entire post was on that one subject, whereas this question to you made up only a small part of Kitty's post. Here's the rest:In post 799, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
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4/13 - I don't see it as a huge wagon. You are flipping out over stupid shit. You are trying to sling mud yet you don't call out Bacade for his 5th vote ON Nacho?
The question we've been discussing is bolded. She's clearly not sweating your attack on her, and given the context, this confirms her question being about your criteria, instead of diverting attention elsewhere. In fact, this post shows that she is clearly scumhunting. It reminds me why I was townreading her early in the game.
This should be interesting. Do explain.In post 3845, Nero Cain wrote:I might be ok with an AK lynch, but if AK flips scum we are deff killing Bulb.
I call out Mara/Mala whomever out on their 4th vote on Nacho. She says "hey, why didn't you call out Bacde?"
Even though they are worded differently they are still the same question and the fact the you are trying so hard to make it out to be different is extremely discomforting.
A lot of this is just assumptions. Like your whole "the reason Nero asked Khan why Khan wasn't townreading him is 'cause Nero expected town points for pointing out that others were speculating on the setup." And your whole "Nero's focus was to get town read." Just WTF?
Lets talk about context here. When AK questioned me as to why I suspect them but not Bacde, his vote wasn't even the fifth vote? Why do you think its townish of her to deflect to a vote that wasn't actually there?
The fact that AK has a good chance of getting lynched today and you are defending her so so so hard is making alarm bells ring.
Yep, my bad. The slot is obvious town 'cause scum NEVER replace out.In post 3996, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Seems pretty trutful to me considering he ended up replacing out not too long after.In post 3854, Nero Cain wrote:I'm relatively certain that I wasn't. Though I did find it scummy when he claimed he was way back on page 3. That looked like some hardcore stalling.
null with a scum leanIn post 3997, Nachomamma8 wrote:Nero, what is your read on Arc?
yeah 'cause Mastin would so totally troll us by naming a team when there's no point to do so unless there's more than one team.In post 4074, Amethyst Kitty wrote:We also don't know if there's a red scum team or if its just a SK
Yeah 'cause those 2 extra lynches via kill sure wouldn't help town at all. Its not the first time I've been willing to leash a scum (sk?) killing power. Thad is obviously lying/trolling about being a neighbor AND a vig. That last line is fucking horrible.In post 4102, CrashTextDummie wrote:Nero Cain's stance on ThAd is just as bad. He flat out stated that he thought ThAd was scum, but that he should be kept around "because he could be useful". From a town-perspective, I can't follow this reasoning at all; if you think someone is scum, you lynch them. An additional killing role has just as much or even more of a potential to further devastate the town than it has to be "useful", and if you actually think the player in question is scum there's no reason to believe that their actions are going to be in town's favor.
Nero-scum knows if ThAd is going to be useful to him based on the people he expressed a willingness to shoot. It's exactly the kind of stance scum would want to take if they're not aligned with the people in the crosshair. Keeping ThAd lynchable ("I think he is scum") while letting him do your dirty work. Unlike every other person who's waffled on ThAd,he doesn't want to keep him alive so he can prove his claim or because he actually believes the claim, but simply so he can be "useful".
What is YOUR Thad read?
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my suggestion is to just let it simmer. Maybe scum will be scared of him and kill him for us, idk. Its something we might need to address before lylo though.In post 4129, Cephrir wrote:maybe he was only claiming vig to live another day, is scum, and knows he's dying tomorrow when no kill shows up... but that still isn't a reason to lynch him. I don't know what we should do if he won't quit trolling, like, I've never been in a situation like this before and I just don't know how to respond to it.
In the meantime we should give him a list of acceptable vig targets.
I disagree. This is actually a kinda scummy post 'cause scum coach in the thread all the time and I think that's what was being said.In post 4130, Kublai Khan wrote:
It's official. Bulbazak isn't scum. Same for ffullisade.In post 4081, Bulbazak wrote:
Are you suggesting that the red scum team has day talk?In post 4035, ffullisade wrote:I think you are red scum and there is someone on your team who is coaching you
+ Bulb is lurking pretty hardcore.
So you have two roles too? I've seen where a masonship/neighborhood shares a power but I don't think that's a normal mechanic.In post 4132, Desperado wrote:Nero, how is Thad obviously lying about being a neighbor and a vig?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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lolOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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maraOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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WORST TOWN EVER!!!!
I'm being voted for a bunch of fucking nothingness. Jesus Christ.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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