NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Nero Cain · Post Post #700 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:40 am

We are not playing on your homesite you stupid ditz. And that's all you had to say in the first place. I'm not the only one that you interpreted it as you calling me third party scum.

mastin2 · Post Post #701 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:40 am

Sixteenth Votecount

:

(

AKA, the "Times are a changin, votes are a not" votecount

)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty)

Oversoul - 2 (Nachomamma8, CrashTextDummie)

BeautyAndTheBeast - 2 (Cephrir, EddieFenix)
Red Ryu - 2 (Oversoul, Thor665)
Cephrir - 2 (fuzzybutternut, BeautyAndTheBeast)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Bulbazak - 1 (Om the Destroyer)
Om the Destroyer - 1 (Bulbazak)

Not Voting - 9 (Mac, Syryana, Desperado, Baby Spice, Slandaar, Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9)

With

24

players alive, it's

13

to lynch.

Deadline is on Monday, May 27th, @ 11:30 AM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-05-27 11:31:59).

Spoiler: changes from last official votecount

Spoiler: Player Vote History

Spoiler: Voting History

Desperado · Post Post #702 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:42 am

In post 699, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 690, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 682, ArcAngel9 wrote:I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.
I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.
jesus christ nero,
(1)indies are not scum.
you were
(2)reading as an indie at the time fucking get over it.

(3)on my homesite we treat indies
differently

@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy

1) Yes they are.
2) This is not an answer to the question "How was I reading as Independent?"
3) This is Mafiascum, not wherever you come from. Justifying your bad play with "that's how we play on (insert other site)" is not likely to be effective.

Bulbazak · Post Post #703 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:48 am

In post 691, EddieFenix wrote: So, let me get this right... You're saying that you have him at null right now on principal from other peoples scum claims and "bad arguments"? Looks like to me you're trying to cover your ass without looking too obvious that you are covering it.

The Om-HD hydra vs. Cephrir: I have played with HD before and have heard of Om. Their experience on the site conflicts with their lack of meta-knowledge on Majiffy, another prominent member on the site, who HD has mentioned being familiar with. Cephrir has been on the site since around 2006. He is also not familiar with Majiffy meta-wise, and he isn't playing in a way I'd expect a seasoned player to. However, unlike HD, Om, Majiffy, and others, I'm not familiar with his name. Therefore I decided to check him out via his wiki, where I came across his game statistics. This keeps him from going into the main "scum" pile, meaning he is still a null/scum read. Did I stutter that time?

Now that I'm back home, I'm going to get that Om case ready. Be prepared, it might take awhile to sort all of the quotes.

Nero Cain · Post Post #704 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:51 am

bulb, would you stop ignoring what's going on between me, Mollie, Despo, and Nacho. Why no comment?

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #705 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:54 am

In post 700, Nero Cain wrote:We are not playing on your homesite you stupid ditz. And that's all you had to say in the first place. I'm not the only one that you interpreted it as you calling me third party scum.

do you think that you can somehow manage to not be a colossal douchebag in a game? please? I didn't call you scum you dummy you came to that erroneous conclusion all on your own. an intelligent person would probably have asked, "what do you mean by that?" but no, its you and god forbid you do anything except bitch and moan in a game

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #706 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:57 am

In post 702, Desperado wrote:
In post 699, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 690, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 682, ArcAngel9 wrote:I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.
I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.
jesus christ nero,
(1)indies are not scum.
you were
(2)reading as an indie at the time fucking get over it.

(3)on my homesite we treat indies
differently

@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy
1) Yes they are.
2) This is not an answer to the question "How was I reading as Independent?"
3) This is Mafiascum, not wherever you come from. Justifying your bad play with "that's how we play on (insert other site)" is not likely to be effective.

1) no aren't
2) he didn't ask
3) my approach to indies will still probably be the same regardless of what site I am on. I try to work with indies if they have a town compatible win condition
4) fuck off

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #707 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 9:59 am

In post 699, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy

hmm..i some how thought it was you all the time mollie.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #708 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:05 am

arc, I don't capitalise hasn't this been covered before

in other news I am not sure what to make of bulb's mancrush on majiffy I mean omg

EddieFenix · Post Post #709 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:06 am

In post 703, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 691, EddieFenix wrote: So, let me get this right... You're saying that you have him at null right now on principal from other peoples scum claims and "bad arguments"? Looks like to me you're trying to cover your ass without looking too obvious that you are covering it.
The Om-HD hydra vs. Cephrir: I have played with HD before and have heard of Om. Their experience on the site conflicts with their lack of meta-knowledge on Majiffy, another prominent member on the site, who HD has mentioned being familiar with. Cephrir has been on the site since around 2006. He is also not familiar with Majiffy meta-wise, and he isn't playing in a way I'd expect a seasoned player to. However, unlike HD, Om, Majiffy, and others, I'm not familiar with his name. Therefore I decided to check him out via his wiki, where I came across his game statistics. This keeps him from going into the main "scum" pile, meaning he is still a null/scum read. Did I stutter that time?

Now that I'm back home, I'm going to get that Om case ready. Be prepared, it might take awhile to sort all of the quotes.

Still not a good enough/compelling argument coming from you imo (YET. I still need to read your LONG post about this that is coming soon). But, by the looks of it, you're trying to base this argument on seasoned player meta knowledge vs seasoned player actions/play style.

ArcAngel9 · Post Post #710 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:06 am

In post 702, Desperado wrote:
In post 699, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 690, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 682, ArcAngel9 wrote:I was actually wondering why nero is not talking about one of his utility craps.. Thanks.. but i have no interest being your PL target today.
I wasn't suggesting that we lynch you. I was just saying that if we did then you'd be a utility a lynch.

Though if Angel does flip scum I'd be very very tempted to lynch B&TB for lukewarmly calling me scum and might be a chainsaw.
jesus christ nero,
(1)indies are not scum.
you were
(2)reading as an indie at the time fucking get over it.

(3)on my homesite we treat indies
differently

@ arc - what are you talking about, the last few posts were by majiffy
1) Yes they are.
2) This is not an answer to the question "How was I reading as Independent?"
3) This is Mafiascum, not wherever you come from. Justifying your bad play with "that's how we play on (insert other site)" is not likely to be effective.

this is a blunt argument, Every player who plays anti-town is some sort of Indi itself despite where the games being played...
I have seen these kind of players all around, they play the wish to be not with the group nor not for winning.
you're all making something out of nothing.

Slandaar · Post Post #711 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:18 am

In post 703, Bulbazak wrote: The Om-HD hydra vs. Cephrir: I have played with HD before and have heard of Om. Their experience on the site conflicts with their lack of meta-knowledge on Majiffy, another prominent member on the site

I have played 50ish games on this site and only one with Majiffy. 2 including this.

So, if I have that little meta knowledge, why can't they? I almost guarantee they have played less than I have.

Baby Spice · Post Post #712 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:21 am

Still behind. Worrying more about games that are endgaming atm.

So, prod dodge.

<<< *

a-hem

* >>>

mastin2 · Post Post #713 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:38 am

<<< Now seems like a good time to quote the rules. >>>

In post 0, mastin2 wrote:-Posting content every day is preferred, but not mandatory; the cutoff is 72 hours (3 days), after which you'll be prodded. You have 48 hours (2 days) to respond or be replaced; three prods is also a replace. Make sure I'm aware of your V/LAs!
-Follow the spirit of the rules. (No rules lawering.)
For example, a post consisting merely of "prod dodge" does not count as a post to reset your posting time.
(It follows the letter of the activity rule, but violates the spirit.)

In post 1, mastin2 wrote:
Activity:

Treat this game as a devotion; you signed up to play, so actually play! Try posting content every day. If you don't post every 72 hours (3 days), you'll receive an official prod unless you declared V/LA. If you do not post for another 48 hours (2 days) (total of 120 hours [5 days]), or would receive your third prod, I will replace you. I also hand out unofficial prods on player request.

Technicalities:

No loopholes! Follow the spirit of the rules, not the letter.

Bulbazak · Post Post #714 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:40 am

The Om Case:

In post 258, Om the Destroyer wrote:page 6

rofl was towntowntown

Lots of buddying from B&B, they can be scum with Ryu. Thor is probably town. So is Cephrir I think?

~

I've already said why this is a bad point. First, I couldn't remember any sort of buddy type interaction between Majiffy and Thor, so I went back to page 6 to check it out. Wouldn't you know, they don't really interact with each other, AT ALL. Majiffy says one thing on this page, and it has nothing to do with Thor. Second, Majiffy is one of those players that NEVER buddies, mostly because of the type of player he is. I would have expected HD, as a more prominent player, to be familiar enough with Majiffy's meta to know that the buddying accusation is absurd.

But Bulba

, you might say.

What if HD has never played with Majiffy before, and therefore, is not...

In post 323, Om the Destroyer wrote: And no, agreeing with you is not a basis and not necessarily town motivated, and
I know you're a better player than that.

Nevermind. Continue with your case...

In post 288, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 96, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:You must not think very highly of Thor to be saying this like this.
Obvious sucking up to Thor since this was a completely useless comment unrelated to rofl's that he was responding to.

Yeah, you might have a point. I mean if it's unrelated to Rofl's brilliant...

In post 93, roflcopter wrote:
In post 92, Thor665 wrote:I don't disagree with that.

Why is Cephrir town, I don't see it. He appears to be playing up a concept that makes little sense, while accusing me of the same, combining hypocrisy and also skeevy apparent intent in vote placement.
I want him dead.
What am I missing?
you're already blinded by beautyandthebeast trying to make you their pet townie

Actually, nevermind.

That post is both insulting to Thor and B&B. No wonder they made that comment. Not buddying.

In post 288, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 103, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Besides, if I was scum, I'd just kill him when it's opportune like I did last time I played scum against him. And I consider what you said an insult; you disputed his competency with that comment.

*snip*

If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.
More subtle, but still there, especially with that cute little white knight motivation of "Oh you insulted Thor how DARE you! RAWRGLEBARGLE"

Wow. That looks really bad.

Let's go back and look at the original:

In post 103, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 102, Amethyst Kitty wrote:though I do admit that I can see the reason behind the Cephir vote what I don't get though, is the Thor wagon.
Thor wagon is probably just a half-assed attempt at a pressure wagon. I'm not sold on OS either. You should vote Cephrir. If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.

You mean the original point had nothing to do with Rofl or Thor? It was about B&B and Kitty's scumread on Cephrir? What can this mean?

In post 477, Om the Destroyer wrote:Okay I only read from page 10-15 because everything kinda went over my head but I support HD's B&B vote but not for the reasons that I read (don't ask me what my reasons are either, it's mainly gut ).
Also AA is pretty much town.
Everything else kinda went over my head.
I'm probably just going to watch a bit from the sidelines as the game goes on before I really step in.
Also HD is totes crampin mah style.

Urgh, smileys

~Pertayter

Translation from the Om head: "I'll be lurking over here if you need me."

In post 531, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 395, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 378, Om the Destroyer wrote: Inconsistency ho!
Firstly, leaving out the word mostly is not a strawman of any sort and saying so is pretty contrived, so you can kindly shut the fuck up.
Secondly, one post says your reads are largely based on whether people agree with you or not, but now only 2 are based on that concept.
Which is it?
1) If mostly, then your argument holds no water. Argument only stands if only/all, not mostly.
2) Follow the quotes. It was only
ever
about only two reads. Slandaar and AA9.
1) ...no, it still applies. If your reads are even mostly based on who agrees with you or not, they still are horrible. It's like saying 1 or 2 good reads makes up for 10 bad reads, it makes no sense.
2) Provably incorrect:

In post 322, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 320, Cephrir wrote:I realize you didn't ask me but I for one would like to hear what Slandaar and AA9 have done that makes them such shining beacons of towniness that they don't even get (weak)'s.
As far as I can tell, it looks like your list is based entirely on whether or not people agree with you.

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes.
Because I am town. Ergo if you agree with me, you're likely town.
So yes, you saying your list was largely based on whether or not people agreed with you was in response to Cephrir saying the same. Only the second half of said post talked about Slandaar and AA9 specifically.

~

HD calls this an inconsistency and seeks to prove it with bolded phrase. Ignores the sentence before it asking about the 2 reads specifically.

In post 535, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 428, Amethyst Kitty wrote:-snip-
So by my count, in this post, you've declared 3 scumreads, one of which is "scummy as hell", another of which deserves an FoS. Where's your vote?

Went back to look at Kitty's post. She doesn't outright declare ANY reads, instead only asking questions or clarifications from 3 people. She does call Cephrir scummy because of some recent posts, but she FoS's him for it. Where did you learn to read?

In post 535, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 344, Bulbazak wrote: Leaning scum, because I don't think you're that stupid.
Yes because calling someone out on doing something scummy is definitely stupid and scummy.
Mmm hmm.

Nice strawman. I called you scum, because I don't believe you to be stupid. The 2 were never connected.

In post 649, Om the Destroyer wrote:omg HD my skype hasn't received your message
I'm probably not going to be completely on the same page as HD until we can get something going (hooray for planning ahead ).
So it'll probably be fine tomorrow.

~Pertayter

Already stated how useless this post was and that it gave you a reason to lurk later.

In post 653, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 651, Bulbazak wrote: Look. A useless post.
Is there any way you can actually make a decent attack on our slot at all this game?
I mean seriously if you want to attack a post like that you might as well attack anybody declaring V/LA in the future.
Also some of your posts are useless too bby

Deflection.

In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 657, Bulbazak wrote:Second, the difference between someone declaring V/LA and your post is that you essentially said "I can't talk to HD. Not going to say anything else.". There was no point in saying any of this, as you could just as easily have messaged HD via PM. This was posting for posting's sake.
I don't even know how you managed to get 'Not going to say anything' from 'We might not be on the same page for at least a day'. At least get your facts right.

More deflection via semantics.

In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote: Right now is my pregame thanks. I hope you realise I've openly stated that I've barely read any of the game. However I don't particularly need to. Also :meta reasons: useless posts are a frequent pastime of mine.

Giving himself another excuse to active lurk.

In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote: Fucking lol. Please, tell me why we're even scum in the first place. Your arguments aren't even scumtells.
Useless posting isn't a scummy thing unless it's done repeatedly (and I've only been in this game for a day). Informing people about things like activity and potential dissonance isn't a scummy thing either, it's just being fucking informative. Attacking someone who is easily perceived as anti-town doesn't even say why the fuck we're scum. If someone is perceived as anti-town, you'd vote them, otherwise you won't get anywhere. Just because they have a history of looking anti-town doesn't mean they aren't scum. Your chainsaw defense of B&B is meta-related without any evidence to support your statements. Not to mention that you've tried to discredit us multiple times too....

~Pertayter

Flailing.

In post 661, Om the Destroyer wrote:Also I'd kinda like to know why I'm definitely scum compared to OS when:
According to you, I'm scum because: Useless posting and attacking someone you think is town for meta reasons.
According to you, OS is scum because: Bad knee-jerk reaction to RVS vote, backpedaling, contradicting claims, suspicions on trying to use claim to gain townie status and he hasn't said very much at all.
(Note: I don't exactly support the OS wagon right now (nor do I entirely oppose it), this is just my interpretation of his reasons for suspecting either of us)

Like seriously wtf? If you're going to attack OS for a bad knee-jerk reaction to a vote then I'm pretty much going to do the same for you, only in your case there wasn't even a vote before you started reacting terribly (as evidenced by your P-EDIT).

~Pertayter

Explained why this was bad. Tries to deflect attention off them and onto OS, who they have repeatedly called town.

In conclusion: Misrepping, deflecting, setting up reasons to active lurk, and outright lying. The last one is a good enough reason on it's own to lynch them. Let's make this happen.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #715 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:52 am

^most of that is a chainsaw defense of B&TB, basically

I'll get to a formal response after dinner, but tl;dr most of it cites things that either a) aren't true or b) aren't scummy as reasons to call us scum.

~

Bulbazak · Post Post #716 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:53 am

In post 704, Nero Cain wrote:bulb, would you stop ignoring what's going on between me, Mollie, Despo, and Nacho. Why no comment?

Because I didn't feel that strongly about it one way or another. I posted my thoughts about the current Nacho push in my list of thoughts. Nacho may be scum, but the reasons currently being given are not enough to make me think so.

In post 708, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: in other news I am not sure what to make of bulb's mancrush on majiffy I mean omg

Worried you might be replaced?

In post 709, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 703, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 691, EddieFenix wrote: So, let me get this right... You're saying that you have him at null right now on principal from other peoples scum claims and "bad arguments"? Looks like to me you're trying to cover your ass without looking too obvious that you are covering it.
The Om-HD hydra vs. Cephrir: I have played with HD before and have heard of Om. Their experience on the site conflicts with their lack of meta-knowledge on Majiffy, another prominent member on the site, who HD has mentioned being familiar with. Cephrir has been on the site since around 2006. He is also not familiar with Majiffy meta-wise, and he isn't playing in a way I'd expect a seasoned player to. However, unlike HD, Om, Majiffy, and others, I'm not familiar with his name. Therefore I decided to check him out via his wiki, where I came across his game statistics. This keeps him from going into the main "scum" pile, meaning he is still a null/scum read. Did I stutter that time?

Now that I'm back home, I'm going to get that Om case ready. Be prepared, it might take awhile to sort all of the quotes.
Still not a good enough/compelling argument coming from you imo (YET. I still need to read your LONG post about this that is coming soon). But, by the looks of it, you're trying to base this argument on seasoned player meta knowledge vs seasoned player actions/play style.

I think you're failing to understand the original question, which had to do with why Cephrir is null/scum, but yet Om is scum, even though I was initially suspicious of both of them for the same reasons. The simple answer is that Cephrir hasn't been as scummy as Om. The meta/wiki reasoning was to show how the same sort of suspicion led to different reads. If you don't understand it after I've explained it 4 plus times, I can't really help you.

P-edit: Oh this will be good. Om is preparing to lie about lying.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #717 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:53 am

okay bulb is starting to down right freak me out

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #718 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 10:55 am

In post 713, mastin2 wrote:
<<< Now seems like a good time to quote the rules. >>>

In post 0, mastin2 wrote:-Posting content every day is preferred, but not mandatory; the cutoff is 72 hours (3 days), after which you'll be prodded. You have 48 hours (2 days) to respond or be replaced; three prods is also a replace. Make sure I'm aware of your V/LAs!
-Follow the spirit of the rules. (No rules lawering.)
For example, a post consisting merely of "prod dodge" does not count as a post to reset your posting time.
(It follows the letter of the activity rule, but violates the spirit.)

In post 1, mastin2 wrote:
Activity:

Treat this game as a devotion; you signed up to play, so actually play! Try posting content every day. If you don't post every 72 hours (3 days), you'll receive an official prod unless you declared V/LA. If you do not post for another 48 hours (2 days) (total of 120 hours [5 days]), or would receive your third prod, I will replace you. I also hand out unofficial prods on player request.

Technicalities:

No loopholes! Follow the spirit of the rules, not the letter.

mastin rules with an ironfist itt

<<< It helps me fight The Fair Folk. Quite handy in a brawl, too. >>>

Nero Cain · Post Post #719 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 11:15 am

In post 705, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 700, Nero Cain wrote:We are not playing on your homesite you stupid ditz. And that's all you had to say in the first place. I'm not the only one that you interpreted it as you calling me third party scum.
do you think that you can somehow manage to not be a colossal douchebag in a game? please? I didn't call you scum you dummy you came to that erroneous conclusion all on your own. an intelligent person would probably have asked, "what do you mean by that?" but no, its you and god forbid you do anything except bitch and moan in a game

In post 507, Nero Cain wrote:But what's Indie supposed to mean?

In post 508, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:independent wc

Here you accuse me of having a win con independent of the both town and mafia, which would mean you were accusing me as scum like a SK or even a survivor. Both Nacho and OS also came to that conclusion.

In post 509, Nero Cain wrote:Tell me why do I read as independent as opposed to scum?

Here I asked why I read as independent which totally blows your "he didn't ask" argument out of the water. This would have also been an appropriate time to clarify that you weren't calling me scum.

I also reject your claims that I'm being a "colossal douche" and "bitching and moaning". You said something stupid, I asked you about it, you deflected away from said question. Asking you said question and you failing to provide a decent explanation and me wanting to shoot you in the face isn't bitching or moaning, its scumhunting. I don't really like the fact that Jiffy runs in and says that on your homesite not al indies are scum...why you couldn't state that last night, I don't know.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #720 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 11:21 am

In post 716, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 708, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: in other news I am not sure what to make of bulb's mancrush on majiffy I mean omg
Worried you might be replaced?

nah. majiffy values his body parts too much

so you are chick huh

why are you hardcore buddying us? cos that is what you are doing and while majiffy will be flattered, I am not impressed. you seem to "have meta" on majiffy when you have stated that you have never played with him before.

@ slandaar - why are you staying away from us?

@ arc - that isn't quite what I mean by indies but yeah, people will sometimes read as indie cos they have their own agenda

@ everyone - also I thought red ryu was someone else cos he is using tr jargon but I think he just picked it up from fery in another game.

@ kitty where are you it is like you have abandoned me I will need years of therapy to recover from this

@ om - do you mean to tell me you really think we are scum.

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #721 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 11:36 am

(Spoilered because it's long, but

DEAR GOD, FUCKING READ IT

.

Spoiler: PLEASE READ

Ooh, I'm going to keep a misrep tally! (If you guys want to know what I'm referencing, go read the MMBN4-6 LP on the LP Archive. You'll get it the instant you read it.)

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:The Om Case:

In post 258, Om the Destroyer wrote:page 6

rofl was towntowntown

Lots of buddying from B&B, they can be scum with Ryu. Thor is probably town. So is Cephrir I think?

~
I've already said why this is a bad point. First, I couldn't remember any sort of buddy type interaction between Majiffy and Thor, so I went back to page 6 to check it out. Wouldn't you know, they don't really interact with each other, AT ALL. Majiffy says one thing on this page, and it has nothing to do with Thor.

Misrep Tally: 1

I never said it was on Page 6; as can be evidenced from my other posts, this meant I had REACHED Page 6.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:Second, Majiffy is one of those players that NEVER buddies, mostly because of the type of player he is. I would have expected HD, as a more prominent player, to be familiar enough with Majiffy's meta to know that the buddying accusation is absurd.

Misrep Tally: 2

If Majiffy never buddies, EVER, explain to me how I was able to point out buddying spots in Post 288.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
But Bulba
, you might say.
What if HD has never played with Majiffy before, and therefore, is not...

In post 323, Om the Destroyer wrote: And no, agreeing with you is not a basis and not necessarily town motivated, and
I know you're a better player than that.

Nevermind. Continue with your case...

Misrep Tally: 3

In order for this to even be valid, I'd have to be in games where Majiffy and Thor were in a game

together

. This happened twice, and in both of them Majiffy was scum. (Thor was town in both but got culted in one)

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 288, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 96, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:You must not think very highly of Thor to be saying this like this.
Obvious sucking up to Thor since this was a completely useless comment unrelated to rofl's that he was responding to.

Yeah, you might have a point. I mean if it's unrelated to Rofl's brilliant...

In post 93, roflcopter wrote:
In post 92, Thor665 wrote:I don't disagree with that.

Why is Cephrir town, I don't see it. He appears to be playing up a concept that makes little sense, while accusing me of the same, combining hypocrisy and also skeevy apparent intent in vote placement.
I want him dead.
What am I missing?
you're already blinded by beautyandthebeast trying to make you their pet townie

Actually, nevermind.
That post is both insulting to Thor and B&B. No wonder they made that comment. Not buddying.

Misrep Tally: 4

There is no insult in said post. Roflcopter makes an observation that B&TB is buddying with Thor. This is Mafia 101, not Preschool.

Would you also like to explain why Thor never expressed that he was insulted by this statement,

but in fact said it was entirely possible that B&TB WAS buddying him

?

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 288, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 103, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Besides, if I was scum, I'd just kill him when it's opportune like I did last time I played scum against him. And I consider what you said an insult; you disputed his competency with that comment.

*snip*

If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.
More subtle, but still there, especially with that cute little white knight motivation of "Oh you insulted Thor how DARE you! RAWRGLEBARGLE"

Wow. That looks really bad.
Let's go back and look at the original:

In post 103, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 102, Amethyst Kitty wrote:though I do admit that I can see the reason behind the Cephir vote what I don't get though, is the Thor wagon.
Thor wagon is probably just a half-assed attempt at a pressure wagon. I'm not sold on OS either. You should vote Cephrir. If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.

You mean the original point had nothing to do with Rofl or Thor? It was about B&B and Kitty's scumread on Cephrir? What can this mean?

Misrep Tally: 6

Yes, I'm counting that as two misreps.

Here's why; it completely ignores the first part of my post (the one that quotes "And I consider what you said an insult; you disputed his competency with that comment.") which is fairly obviously what I was referring to, and uses the OTHER part of the post ("If both parties of the Flowchart are voting it, you know it's probably scum.") which is unrelated to said point, to act as if I had misrepped B&TB.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 477, Om the Destroyer wrote:Okay I only read from page 10-15 because everything kinda went over my head but I support HD's B&B vote but not for the reasons that I read (don't ask me what my reasons are either, it's mainly gut ).
Also AA is pretty much town.
Everything else kinda went over my head.
I'm probably just going to watch a bit from the sidelines as the game goes on before I really step in.
Also HD is totes crampin mah style.

Urgh, smileys

~Pertayter
Translation from the Om head: "I'll be lurking over here if you need me."

I'm not counting this as a misrep, but this isn't actually scummy considering I've been controlling the hydra this entire time and contributing, so to say we're scum for not contributing doesn't even apply.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 531, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 395, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 378, Om the Destroyer wrote: Inconsistency ho!
Firstly, leaving out the word mostly is not a strawman of any sort and saying so is pretty contrived, so you can kindly shut the fuck up.
Secondly, one post says your reads are largely based on whether people agree with you or not, but now only 2 are based on that concept.
Which is it?
1) If mostly, then your argument holds no water. Argument only stands if only/all, not mostly.
2) Follow the quotes. It was only
ever
about only two reads. Slandaar and AA9.
1) ...no, it still applies. If your reads are even mostly based on who agrees with you or not, they still are horrible. It's like saying 1 or 2 good reads makes up for 10 bad reads, it makes no sense.
2) Provably incorrect:

In post 322, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 320, Cephrir wrote:I realize you didn't ask me but I for one would like to hear what Slandaar and AA9 have done that makes them such shining beacons of towniness that they don't even get (weak)'s.
As far as I can tell, it looks like your list is based entirely on whether or not people agree with you.

It's largely based on whether or not people agree with me, yes.
Because I am town. Ergo if you agree with me, you're likely town.
So yes, you saying your list was largely based on whether or not people agreed with you was in response to Cephrir saying the same. Only the second half of said post talked about Slandaar and AA9 specifically.

~
HD calls this an inconsistency and seeks to prove it with bolded phrase. Ignores the sentence before it asking about the 2 reads specifically.

Misrep Tally: 7 (Hey guys, we're up to 7 misreps IN ONE POST. If you aren't voting Bulbazak yet, you now have some 'splainin' to do.)

The word "it" fairly obviously refers to the list, so B&TB is

clearly responding to the sentence I bolded.

The second part of the post

clearly referred to the point made about his AA9 and Slandaar reads.

IMPORTANT: THE WORD "IT" IS SINGULAR AND CANNOT MEAN "2 SPECIFIC TOWN READS I HAVE".

This is 1st grade reading comprehension folks.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 535, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 428, Amethyst Kitty wrote:-snip-
So by my count, in this post, you've declared 3 scumreads, one of which is "scummy as hell", another of which deserves an FoS. Where's your vote?
Went back to look at Kitty's post. She doesn't outright declare ANY reads, instead only asking questions or clarifications from 3 people. She does call Cephrir scummy because of some recent posts, but she FoS's him for it. Where did you learn to read?

Misrep Tally: 10

Misreps Amethyst Kitty

2 times

AND myself. That counts as 3 misreps.

And just to prove it...

In post 428, Amethyst Kitty wrote: @Fenix:

So what did you learn after catching up? Because voting him without giving reasons or thoughts is quite -
well scummy as hell.

Then you call out Nero for doing the same thing. >.>

Scummy as hell.

In post 428, Amethyst Kitty wrote:@B&B:

Mollie answer my question or else I will have to go extreme measures. (You do not want this)

Strongly implied scumread.

In post 428, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I'm not liking this whole; "If I'm correct then Nero was silenced."

The whole PR or even fishing for information is scummy as hell.

So
FoS: Cephir.

SCUMREAD THAT DESERVED AN FOS.

So that's three scumreads, dawg.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 535, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 344, Bulbazak wrote: Leaning scum, because I don't think you're that stupid.
Yes because calling someone out on doing something scummy is definitely stupid and scummy.
Mmm hmm.
Nice strawman. I called you scum, because I don't believe you to be stupid. The 2 were never connected.

Misrep Tally: 12

Calls on word semantics to call this a strawman; counting this as 2.

You called the action scummy or stupid. This therefore implies I am scummy or stupid. You saying that calling it scummy or stupid isn't a connection is fucking ridiculous.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 649, Om the Destroyer wrote:omg HD my skype hasn't received your message
I'm probably not going to be completely on the same page as HD until we can get something going (hooray for planning ahead ).
So it'll probably be fine tomorrow.

~Pertayter
Already stated how useless this post was and that it gave you a reason to lurk later.

Except the hydra isn't lurking.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 653, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 651, Bulbazak wrote: Look. A useless post.
Is there any way you can actually make a decent attack on our slot at all this game?
I mean seriously if you want to attack a post like that you might as well attack anybody declaring V/LA in the future.
Also some of your posts are useless too bby
Deflection.

Misrep Tally: 13

Om points out something legitimately scummy about Bulbazak, Bulb deflects it by calling it a deflection. (Ironic, right?)

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote:
In post 657, Bulbazak wrote:Second, the difference between someone declaring V/LA and your post is that you essentially said "I can't talk to HD. Not going to say anything else.". There was no point in saying any of this, as you could just as easily have messaged HD via PM. This was posting for posting's sake.
I don't even know how you managed to get 'Not going to say anything' from 'We might not be on the same page for at least a day'. At least get your facts right.
More deflection via semantics.

Misrep Tally: 14

Even more fucking ironic considering

Bulbazak is the one resorting to semantics here.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote: Right now is my pregame thanks. I hope you realise I've openly stated that I've barely read any of the game. However I don't particularly need to. Also :meta reasons: useless posts are a frequent pastime of mine.
Giving himself another excuse to active lurk.

And yet again, I point out this hydra is not active lurking and that one head not posting doesn't make a hydra scum.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 659, Om the Destroyer wrote: Fucking lol. Please, tell me why we're even scum in the first place. Your arguments aren't even scumtells.
Useless posting isn't a scummy thing unless it's done repeatedly (and I've only been in this game for a day). Informing people about things like activity and potential dissonance isn't a scummy thing either, it's just being fucking informative. Attacking someone who is easily perceived as anti-town doesn't even say why the fuck we're scum. If someone is perceived as anti-town, you'd vote them, otherwise you won't get anywhere. Just because they have a history of looking anti-town doesn't mean they aren't scum. Your chainsaw defense of B&B is meta-related without any evidence to support your statements. Not to mention that you've tried to discredit us multiple times too....

~Pertayter
Flailing.

Misrep Tally: 15

Another deflection of his scumminess being called out.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 661, Om the Destroyer wrote:Also I'd kinda like to know why I'm definitely scum compared to OS when:
According to you, I'm scum because: Useless posting and attacking someone you think is town for meta reasons.
According to you, OS is scum because: Bad knee-jerk reaction to RVS vote, backpedaling, contradicting claims, suspicions on trying to use claim to gain townie status and he hasn't said very much at all.
(Note: I don't exactly support the OS wagon right now (nor do I entirely oppose it), this is just my interpretation of his reasons for suspecting either of us)

Like seriously wtf? If you're going to attack OS for a bad knee-jerk reaction to a vote then I'm pretty much going to do the same for you, only in your case there wasn't even a vote before you started reacting terribly (as evidenced by your P-EDIT).

~Pertayter
Explained why this was bad. Tries to deflect attention off them and onto OS, who they have repeatedly called town.

Misrep Tally: 16

Calls this a deflection of attention to OS when Om

specifically says

he isn't particularly interested in the OS wagon. He's also calling this a deflection when Om is clearly using OS as an example of Bulbazak being hypocritical and NOT as wanting to wagon OS.

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:In conclusion: Misrepping,

Misrep Tally: 17

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:deflecting,

Misrep Tally: 18

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:setting up reasons to active lurk,

Not a misrep, but not scummy and only coming from one head

In post 714, Bulbazak wrote:and outright lying.

Misrep Tally: 20

This deserves special mention.

Nowhere in Bulbazak's case does he state that we are outright lying about anything.

This counts as two since he misrepped us AND his own case.

tl;dr?

There are

exactly 20 misreps

on Bulbazak's part in his case on us.

Lynch this fucking now.

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #722 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 11:37 am

In post 719, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 705, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 700, Nero Cain wrote:We are not playing on your homesite you stupid ditz. And that's all you had to say in the first place. I'm not the only one that you interpreted it as you calling me third party scum.
Here you accuse me of having a win con independent of the both town and mafia, which would mean you were accusing me as scum like a SK or even a survivor. Both Nacho and OS also came to that conclusion.
indies are not scum you dummy

In post 509, Nero Cain wrote:Tell me why do I read as independent as opposed to scum?
Here I asked why I read as independent which totally blows your "he didn't ask" argument out of the water. This would have also been an appropriate time to clarify that you weren't calling me scum.

I also reject your claims that I'm being a "colossal douche" and "bitching and moaning". You said something stupid, I asked you about it, you deflected away from said question. Asking you said question and you failing to provide a decent explanation and me wanting to shoot you in the face isn't bitching or moaning, its scumhunting. I don't really like the fact that Jiffy runs in and says that on your homesite not al indies are scum...why you couldn't state that last night, I don't know.

because I do not get how people think that all indies are scum, that thinking is pretty foreign to me and the sites that I play on. I have only played on one site where they treated all indies like scum and it was a game where I had to find the indie who was an SK until I found him where if I did, I became doc and he became vig. town totally screwed themselves by lynching him anyway "cos he is not town!" but i had a pr where I couldn't tell them any of that. nor could he. it isn't why we lost but it certainly hurt.

nacho and majiffy know where I come from and why I think the way that I do, I honestly think arc has the right of it you are making a big deal out of nothing. your natural playstyle might just automatically lean towards indie I know mine does, it happens with more experienced players

and yes you are being a colossal douchebag as always but I had hopes that you might not be for once. it doesn't matter if you don't think so I still think you are

Om the Destroyer · Post Post #723 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 11:37 am

In post 720, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:@ om - do you mean to tell me you really think we are scum.

No, I was only voting you for 10 pages for absolutely no reason.

~

(Applies to big wall post too)

Bulbazak · Post Post #724 (ISO) » Wed May 08, 2013 11:45 am

In post 720, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: so you are chick huh

Nah, dude. Just wanted to have some fun with you.

In post 720, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: why are you hardcore buddying us? cos that is what you are doing and while majiffy will be flattered, I am not impressed. you seem to "have meta" on majiffy when you have stated that you have never played with him before.

When I was preparing for my first Mafia game, I read many games, several of which happened to have Majiffy in them. Your hydra's actions during pre-game gave me a very strong townread of you. Om was presenting an argument that was so stupid that I felt I had to address it. I tend to defend my townreads, especially when it's over something as dumb as what Om presented. However, when he actually had a decent point, I didn't say anything.

P-edit: I'll get to Om's wall later. Right now I'm going to eat.