NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[UberNinja]

It might get him this game, and then when he can't show us the PM everybody thinks he's evil and refuses to play with him for the rest of time. This is not a viable strategy.

Blah. Everybody else has been forgetting shit. I guess you're allowed to forget it too.

WHAT THE FUCK

[UberNinja]

i should probably condense my posts

nah, fuggit

[UberNinja]

Buldermar quoted and voted, so he got what I meant.

Or he just sheeped me because he's horrible and evil and wanted me to take the fall for an Uber mislynch.

Unvote; Vote: zabriel

You KNOW.

[UberNinja]

thats how i roll muthafucka

[UberNinja]

I hate Vifam

[UberNinja]

It's a mutual hate based on mutual love and respect

I can't expect you to understand, Maestro

</3

[UberNinja]

Could we get a VC maybe? Im basically just going to vote whoever of Zab/Majiffy has most votes for the rest of the Day.

^

Zab scumslipped and said I was a mislynch
And then Majiffy was misrepping me mightily

The funny part is, Zab originally complained that Majiffy was misrepping HIM

Distancing, anyone? lol

[UberNinja]

Buldermar quoted and voted, so he got what I meant.

Or he just sheeped me because he's horrible and evil and wanted me to take the fall for an Uber mislynch.

UNVOTE:

Dammit. Now I feel weird. Bodyguard makes perfect sense for this game. Making up a fake PM from JS makes no sense. Assuming that somebody is using that as a gambit seems completely outlandish. I think Uber was the one who told us to stop using too scum to be scum. So awful push + too much irony = town?

PEdit: Regardless of Buldermar's alignment, I feel that assuming that was a gambit is objectively bad. Or at least that he didn't get a PM. He may have mentioned it to gambit. I don't feel it though. What would he get out of that other than scolded like he did?

Buldermar quoted and voted, so he got what I meant.

Or he just sheeped me because he's horrible and evil and wanted me to take the fall for an Uber mislynch.

Unvote; Vote: zabriel

You KNOW.

[UberNinja]

I've read and if anything you look more scummy than before. However, Uber Ninja also looks scummy for having such a strong town read on you out of the blue, I'll give you that.

Really? I look scummy for basically admitting I look scummy up to that point and pointing the finger at the only person defending me? Ok then, cool. Lynch me and pretend to be surprised tomorrow.

*nods*
this increases my suspicion of buldermar again

also, the whole role PM and PM from Jacob thing feels like a gambit of some kind

clearly jacob couldn't be arsed about this game
why should he care now?

I feel insulted that you'd think I'd fake another player on this site breaking a site-wide rule. I'd never do this sort of defamation, it would be extremely unethical.

far be it from a mafia player to lie

i know

It's not a matter of fucking lying. Lying is a part of the game. Defamation is not. Do you even comprehend the point I'm conveying or are you just being intentionally dense now? I'm not going to waste my fucking time showing that I can't be scum if you're not going to carefully read the points I'm making.

Here comes another drama queen heyyoooo

[UberNinja]

Lynch me and pretend to be surprised tomorrow.

here's another town tell, if anyone was counting

oh wait, no, everyone's fucking idiots

This isn't a fucking town-tell, it's him playing the ancient "look I don't care herpderp"-card.

nah i like the way he said "pretend to be surprised" instead of something about he'd flip town

it's teh second tier of consciousness that's implied which makes this more townie sounding

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

yep. i guess we shall

[UberNinja]

Do not contact any player in or outside of the game about the game unless specifically allowed to by the moderator. When allowed, only do so in the specific manner allowed.

...

Do not discuss ongoing games in the game.
Do not discuss this game anywhere else with anyone else.

No matter what information the PM contains, this is OBVIOUSLY a breakage of site rules
JacobSavage will be dealt with accordingly. Please continue with the game.

guess it's not a gambit

this swings buldy back to town and jacob STRONGLY to "complete fucking moron"

NO SHIT SHERLOCK "clap clap clap".

you sound a little too happy/excited at this result

but you're forgetting:

didja notice the mod said "no matter what info the PM contains" which implies to me that you could have been lying about it and he just didn't want to say it outright. honestly he should have just ignored it but maestro is maestro after all

and jacob is a fucking moron whether or not your slot's town

so it doesn't clear you in the least for taking advantage of his cuntitude

I don't get how the fuck that would imply to you that I had been lying about it, and quite frankly I don't care either because you've already proven to be incapable of rational thinking, ignoring things I say that disprove your own hypothesis.

I'm clear. The question is only if enough people in this game are well-enough equipped, conceptually speaking, to comprehend how I cannot be scum because I would not defame a person who isn't even part of the game by claiming that he has been breaking site-rules. In fact, I'm not even sure that doing so wouldn't be against the rules and thus would have gotten me a warning or a ban. In short: you're wrong and I'm beginning to think that you're incapable of understanding why.

lolol

u mad

[UberNinja]

Okay, except that if JS sent no PM to Buldermar that's libel and it's going to ruin a reputation. If there's not an actual rule against gambitting this way it still violates the spirit of our community rules. I think you'd best retire that Uber.

As I expected, there would be people in this game well-enough equipped, conceptually speaking, to understand why I wouldn't do something as unethical as claiming that a person who isn't part of the game has been breaking a site-wide rule. Thank you, zabriel, for taking your time using your brain to actively think about this situation rather than blindly following the lead of someone who's stuck in confirmation bias, namely Uber Ninja.

generally speaking, my confirmation bias is what wins games

it's when i second guess myself that things get messy

[UberNinja]

buldey what am I going to do with you

I have plenty of ideas!

Again... HEYYOOOOOO

[UberNinja]

VOTE: zabriel

[enter reason here]

hahahaha this is awesome

[UberNinja]

Guys, seriously, I said cut the personal attacks. This is getting extremely out of hand.

Seriously though, I will comply

p-edit: Vifam, my dad could beat up your dad

[UberNinja]

I really really really really think majiffy is scum and I think you are wrong about him. next is uber goober. I have been trying to get those 2 lynched for the entire day round but the same shit keeps happening that happened in the homestuck game; there are peeps who are too chickenshit to go after strong players.

Well my vote is currently on Uber Goober and I'm not looking to change it.

For the record: You voted me for reasons of zab's which were totally stupid, and I rebutted them and called him out on his reasons being totally stupid, and he unvoted.

[UberNinja]

buldey did gib explain how he and I do things? there is a reason for the divagib meme. I would like to find at least one player on this site to develope that kind of relationship with...majiffy and nacho are too stubborn and mantis has always been off doing her own thing although occasionally she will listen to me, I am more flexible than she is and it is me usually having to compromise and listen to her. but anyways since I know you have worked with gib it is something that I hope you will consider. gib and I win games and that is no lie.

No you have not explained to me how you and Gib do things. How do you do things?

What's with all these memes that mollie keeps talking about

[UberNinja]

Buldamar, why are you keeping your vote there if there's, like, 0 chance of it happening today?

It's called vote parking hello

[UberNinja]

So IAI is a legit cop. This should get interesting very quickly.

AJ, why no comment on the kill? And why do you immediately go into voting Majiffy instead of discussing anything of consequence, such as zabriel flipping town?

Vote: AJ the Epic

Dance.

[UberNinja]

Extrapolation.

One nightkill. Probably one scum team. One scum team doesn't kill the BG who is protecting a claimed cop, unless they want to kill the claimed cop, meaning the claim is probably legit.

What did YOU think when buldermar died?

[UberNinja]

That or they tried to kill IAI and buldermar soaked it up. Either/or, same result

[UberNinja]

Lol I got banned again.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4733081
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4721002

This mod team is SRS BSNS.

[UberNinja]

Because I'm so damn intimidating. "TASTE MY FUCKING WRATH", lmao

[UberNinja]

So IAI is a legit cop. This should get interesting very quickly.

AJ, why no comment on the kill? And why do you immediately go into voting Majiffy instead of discussing anything of consequence, such as zabriel flipping town?

Vote: AJ the Epic

Dance.

A.) What's surprising about the kill? If IaI was cop, and now protected, you can no longer play with him and let us think he's scum when he now how a cushion of protection.

It's not surprising. What's surprising is your complete failure to address anything that happened yesterday or last night.

B.) Yes, Zab flipped town. What about it? He was scummy, we needed a lynch, and no one was attempting to get something done by the deadline. I honestly thought he was scum, pushed for him, and I expect some backlash. But, that question isn't going to fly.

What question isn't going to fly? "Why no comment on the kill, or discussion of the mislynch you led?" Of course it's going to fly.

Why go for Majiffy? We'll see. I think he's scum, and I want him to know that with a friendly tap on the shoulder.

Great. I'm tapping you on the shoulder too.

Why so defensive?

[UberNinja]

The BG died so scum are obviously trying to get to someone

Hi, comment on something

[UberNinja]

But you didn't bother to think what kind of a PR he was?

Or that he's pretty useless unless...

Never mind.

[UberNinja]

hurr durr

[UberNinja]

P.S. Get ready for awesome.

[UberNinja]

Unvote; Vote: MattP

"I knew it all along" - UberNinja

[UberNinja]

P.S. Get ready for awesome.

That your graphic work?

Looks nice.

Yessir. Logo design by springlullaby, and the layout is by me.
Quilford helped tweak a little bit before we went live with it.

It should be active now at http://www.mafiascum.net

[UberNinja]

THIS IS A GOOD DAY

[UberNinja]

If Matt flips town, IAI gets lynched.

If Matt flips scum, IAI gets killed anyway.

Problem solves itself.

Next.

[UberNinja]

Matt's flipping scum

What's more likely --

1) This was some elaborate trap to bait IAI into claiming a guilty on him, followed by us directly disproving that by lynching Matt and outing IAI as scum.
or
2) Matt was trying to WIFOM IAI into not investigating him at all.

this

Matt's a slippery mofo, I keep saying

[UberNinja]

So Matt. Tell us your reads on everyone

[UberNinja]

p-edit Sure you are

[UberNinja]

If Matt flips town, IAI gets lynched.

If Matt flips scum, IAI gets killed anyway.

Problem solves itself.

Next.

Also this pretty much

Matt's flipping scum

What's more likely --

1) This was some elaborate trap to bait IAI into claiming a guilty on him, followed by us directly disproving that by lynching Matt and outing IAI as scum.
or
2) Matt was trying to WIFOM IAI into not investigating him at all.

this

Matt's a slippery mofo, I keep saying

[UberNinja]

the above argument (sccum giving up one of their own) is flawed. I invite you to think it over

Let's start over, since your last post confuses me.

Do you think Matt will flip town or scum?

Trying to WIFOM things to the very last second

HELL NO does this live until LYLO

[UberNinja]

I haven't read any of the thread but I was town

I assume IAI claimed a guilty on me

That's exactly what I wanted him to do

Lynch him tomorrow Ty

What is the point of a post like this if he's scum tho

If he actually flips town I am gonna cry/laugh with bewilderment/surprise

Kinda like I did when I hammered him wrongly in Disney Villains

[UberNinja]

sigh.

town.

Since IaI will be lynched after that, why do you think scum decided to give up one of 25-33% of their team to take out a single townie?

Because, of course, he's a SUPER IMPORTANT TOWNIE, aside from the masons, IC, bodyguard, etc.

And why the hell would they kill the bodyguard to make it look like somebody was trying to kill the cop, just to have the cop give a bad result?

Why not have him give a GOOD result, and then coast until LYLO?

Makes no fucking sense. Matt is flipping scum.

[UberNinja]

LYNCH UN AFTER IAI HE'S TRYING TO SOUND STROGHEADED HE'S BEEN SCUMMY ALL GAME DON'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT

I sincerely hope you're sincere about this.

[UberNinja]

But since you're still able to post, apparently, give us your reads Matt

p-edit: I'm looking at you and AJ. Maybe Majiffy but I liked his interactions with AJ earlier

[UberNinja]

Fuck you UN I'm in class like I just fucking said wear you big boy pants and try to act cool and sure even after I've flipped

I am not even wearing pants you asshole

And if you were in class, how come you still keep posting, and reading the thread, but still consistently refuse to provide reads on everyone?

[UberNinja]

What the fuck do I have to gain by lying right now

You're so full of yourself you literally can't be town

I beg to differ that it's the opposite

I am full of myself, yes

But that means I'm less likely to be scum

[UberNinja]

Fuck you UN I'm in class like I just fucking said wear you big boy pants and try to act cool and sure even after I've flipped

I am not even wearing pants you asshole

And if you were in class, how come you still keep posting, and reading the thread, but still consistently refuse to provide reads on everyone?

Music theory I'm on my phone

And for the record my gunsmith claim outed this scum

So wow look at that

I wouldn't really care to give reads if I were mattp

If he's town like he says, he should give reads

If he's scum, then he should just keep yelling and posturing, to see what else he can confuse before he flips

Remind me, which is he doing again? oh yeah

[UberNinja]

I will never trust you
Esp if/when you flip scum

If you're actually town dude, just give reads

[UberNinja]

What the fuck do I have to gain by lying right now

You're so full of yourself you literally can't be town

I beg to differ that it's the opposite

I am full of myself, yes

But that means I'm less likely to be scum

how so

Elementary, my dear Watson

[UberNinja]

What the fuck do I have to gain by lying right now

You're so full of yourself you literally can't be town

I beg to differ that it's the opposite

I am full of myself, yes

But that means I'm less likely to be scum

how so

Elementary, my dear Watson

I mean I could point to a couple examples that would 100% prove my point, especially in my specific case

But I doubt you would believe them anyway, because self-provided meta to prove a point is p. much confirmation bias via definition

So instead I opted to give a witty reply in hopes of making everyone chuckle a little because I am actually p. emotionally insecure

[UberNinja]

I'm dead

What the fuck does me continuing to post do to help scum

I know how to play damn mafia and I don't pretend to be scum but not WIFOM as scum after being lynched

I'm not WIFOMing at all so what the fuck is my scum intent tell me UN

Explain to me why buldermar is dead then plz

Go ahead, I'm listening

[UberNinja]

i.e. if IAI was going for this play, why wouldn't he have just done it yesterday

and if your scum team tried to kill IAI specifically to prevent this, except buldermar was BGing him

that's my theory anyway

[UberNinja]

I haven't read the damn flip so I couldn't tell you

You're literally fucking town over you're going to be mislynched so I recommend you stop trying to be an obstinate prick and shut up

are you talking to me or mollie

i'm not going to be mislynched i don't believe

i like to think i have gotten past that stage in my mafia career

[UberNinja]

What the fuck do I have to gain by lying right now

You're so full of yourself you literally can't be town

I beg to differ that it's the opposite

I am full of myself, yes

But that means I'm less likely to be scum

how so

Elementary, my dear Watson

yeah, you know where smart scum try to spend their energy when they are going down?

clearing their scummates

and their smart scummates will help them

you are not off the hook uber goober

okay great i'm not off the hook blah blah blah

i'm obviously town and i've obviously called matt scum since D1 so we are not lynching me obv

[UberNinja]

UN with the quality of this game I wouldn't readily believe that

why do you think i called you such an asshole:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4726297

because you're so nice until it really comes down to it

and then you're as much of an asshole as i am

and it makes me sad to know that i've probably had a hand in corrupting you

but that was what i was saving for part 2

[UberNinja]

fuck, matt

if you're actually town then of course we are lynching IAI
but i don't think that's happening

anyway i am too upset to keep posting

matt you are "that guy" for me
i need to see your facial expression to see if you're fucking with me or not

why do you think i can never trust you

fuck. maybe i'll just leave MS when my games are over

i'm not kidding

[UberNinja]

so IAI... sup

[UberNinja]

Pretty likely imo

Esp given the nature of the town power

I want to hear IAI speak before anyone else tho

[UberNinja]

Is it weird that I want to lynch someone other than IaI?

Also I forgot to note yesterday sicne I was barely here, but I REALLY dont like this post:

The BG died so scum are obviously trying to get to someone

That's funny cause I really DO like it

Exactly what I was thinking, if you see my surrounding posts w/Majif.

[UberNinja]

Why would you wait and hope that AD wasn't one of the ones that pushed you, so you could get other scum to nibble, but then come out w/results as soon as AD started pushing?

Also how does AD scum result = AD scum? If there's a bus driver, he'd show up town right?

[UberNinja]

That doesn't make any sense at all. And it looks like I missed pages, brb

[UberNinja]

It switches results of people right?
I am checking it on the wiki right now, it switches results.

[UberNinja]

uber goober lets be friends.

are we not already?

i still have that charm bracelet with your name on it that you made for me at summer camp in 1988

don't tell me you lost urs?
</3

[UberNinja]

When I investigated Matt, if a scum bus driver switched Matt with a member of the mafia, I would have gotten a guilty on matt

Yeah so how does that explain a scum result on ActionDan then

[UberNinja]

OHHHH you picked someone LESS likely to be switched

so that the result would be legit

[UberNinja]

k I can dig

Vote: ActionDan

p.s. i am really proud of you all for not quick lynching the cop w/a bad result btw
in games with lesser players this could have gone horribly horribly wrong

i.e. disney villains

holy fuck i will never live that down BUT it also wasn't my fault because they lynched all sorts of people that were 100% town

kinda like AP in this game


p-edit: yeah i got it.

[UberNinja]

Im having trouble getting over IaI's crumb, snap claim, and lack of CC. It just looks too legit. I'd thro money down on a framer and I know that framers are fairly rare.

wait I thought you were the one pushing that it DID NOT seem legit before?

[UberNinja]

Basically it was decided that IaI would investigate Mattp, as far as I remember.

So if there is a framer, its no coincidence that it connected. I guess I'd have to reread again to see HOW obvious it was that IaI was intending to target Matt, but I recall it being basically decided that he would. We should have done a pick 1/3 randomly method

This is actually really important -- this would change probabilities but I honestly don't remember that occurring.

this ^

[UberNinja]

Im having trouble getting over IaI's crumb, snap claim, and lack of CC. It just looks too legit. I'd thro money down on a framer and I know that framers are fairly rare.

I said the exact same thing on mason board about IaI.

I have had the framer's role twice I think but have only seen it used successfully once in a game I gmed.

since you are the only mason left, you might as well spill the beans about everything mason-y

i.e. PV's suspicions. there is a reason he was killed over you last night; who did he suspect?

[UberNinja]

VOTE: IaI

there's not going to be a framer because it's absolutely useless when there's IC + 3 masons.

this is setup speculating instead of saying "no, he's lying, i'm town" or something similar

this doesn't sound like a town response

[UberNinja]

VOTE: IaI

there's not going to be a framer because it's absolutely useless when there's IC + 3 masons.

actually that's exactly the type of set-up to use it in.

VOTE: action dan

also this, yeah

[UberNinja]

I disagree. Gauging his and a few others reactions was worth the few hrs of bankable time wasted.

great so what did you learn from "a few others"

[UberNinja]

yeah I am not so sure I buy that

UBER GOOBER WHERE ARE YOU DON'T YOU WANT TO BE MY FRIEND?????

i am here and i love you stop fucking tripping girl

[UberNinja]

why did I write in my own name in that quote

why are you writing questions without question marks like cyberbob

[UberNinja]

so Vifam is IaI a legit cop?

I mean you can't just quote matt's reads to dodge the elephant in the room here.

I haven't felt Vifam is dodging the elephant in the room in the least

[UberNinja]

What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.

If AD flips town then IAI is pretty much 100% scum

and he will be laughing at how he suckered us twice

But based on everything so far + the setup, I'm far more inclined to believe IAI than ActionDan

also, ActionDan was not a prime target for framing or bus driving so 2 + 2

[UberNinja]

Well fwiw, I strongly doubt AD would be a frame target. I dont think IaI has really talked much about him all game.

-nods-

[UberNinja]

Dan, you look like scum. Don't do this to me. Either way, Im pretty sure one of these two HAS to be.

-nods-

[UberNinja]

I dont 100% follow. Scum doesnt have to have an answer for PRs, depends on what the town power is.

3 masons / IC / Vig / BG as the only town PRs VS a Maf JK is a little wack though. Like REALLY wack.

Are you saying that's too

FEW

power roles for town?

What about 3 masons / IC / Vig / BG / Cop as town PRs vs Maf JK / Maf Framer or Bus Driver?

[UberNinja]

What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.

If AD flips town then IAI is pretty much 100% scum

and he will be laughing at how he suckered us twice

But based on everything so far + the setup, I'm far more inclined to believe IAI than ActionDan

also, ActionDan was not a prime target for framing or bus driving so 2 + 2

This post pretty much sums up my feelings right now. I also feel that IaI had easier targets to try and fake on if he really were scum and trying to get one more person lynched on his way out. (Like Majiffy or Rev mostly)

assuming they are not scum

Unless of course the team is MAjiffy/rev/IaI, in which case: lol.

LOL

[UberNinja]

that was the what I thought out loud when I read those posts ^

[UberNinja]

okay i'm caught up

i g2g but i will be back tomorrow morning

@mod: i proxy my vote to AP if that's allowed

[UberNinja]

lalalala got on a computer

lets talk bitches

[UberNinja]

n1 - mozi forgot to get on it and perv was busy and only made one post I think so and I talked about eye cream with maestro.

golf clap

n2 - I decided to get stark raving paranoid that mozi might actually be a neighbor until maestro got on and was like stfu you dummy you guys are town masons.

how very nice of him to specify, instead of shutting up and letting people be paranoid

makes all of our jobs a bit easier. it's unbalanced to give reassurance like that, but what the hell, if it's in our favor

n3 - perv and I talked a bit about IaI maybe being legit, it was mostly me doing the talking and how maestro thinks it is cute that I call prs "specials" and perv was like "yeah she is calling them mentally challenged".

i lol'd

which brings up another thing I am wondering about. why nk mozi and perv before me? neither was a super strong presence in the game and I would think that they would nk mhork before any of us. the only reason to nk masons is to break a possible voting bloc froming at a crucial time. I think scum want to keep me in the game and I wish I could figure out why. I am thinking it that it is likely that I know me and know my tendency to tunnel and to fuck up lylo's. or I have them in my town pile. or maybe I am just hugely entertaining. I know sometimes I will keep a player in just so I can pit my skills against theirs.

i'd say you're both likeable, hugely entertaining, and what youre saying makes sense. you as a NK makes more sense than either PV or mhork, unless they were way more close to correct with their reads than yours. and it seems there's not much they're doing that you're not alreay

i'd go with the likable/usable thing if i were you

maybe that's mostly because i just like to pretend people like me...

one time I left a cop cleared, semi-proven doc in the game til mylo cos I liked him and the only way I was to get any repsect out o him was if I totally mindfucked him. so I started the don wifom early, accused of bullying, fake melted down, walked away from the game and told everyone it was cos I was in tears, agreed to the sig/avatar bet he provided and promised not to vote him the next day and then I did. game should have ended there but my scummate who performed the kill was blown by the pgo and then the next day town mislynched cos no one could believe that I could fake that level of theatrics. that is why I was asking if matt was capable of that level of emotional manipulation cos most players aren't. when players start to show real signs of break down they are usually town.

oh you devil. i'm never trusting you if you're not conftown

so....I can't help but wonder if I am helping scum in some way cos I was onto arc early and should have been nked before mozi and perv but really mhork should have gone before any of us.

speculating on why certain nightkills were made or not made is usually fruitless, btw

either that or it's exactly what scum wants you to do. it's all WIFOM in any case

so questions I have for you:

what do you think of IaI's post after I had just voted dan? to me it looked opportunistic, a totally different vibe than what he had given off before. I just happened to vote the scum he had viewed? and if he was looking at reactions, why did he not wait a little longer? he already had me as town so he could not have been waiting for mine and yet I gave him the impetus to his view? the motivation in that single look stinky as hell but if IaI is scum it means he went into the game preparing to fake claim cop and all I can say is wow.

4166? i think it's indicative of a town mindset and is weak/bad enough that an argument could easily be pushed that it is scummy
as i see it so far, if IAI is town, he's doing a pretty shitty job as a cop. but that doesn't mean he's scum, it just means he sucks at being a cop.

i've played one or two games with him before but i never remember him as being one of the most prolific players. my PROFESSIONAL opinion is that i think he's more comfortable playing a less important role, and is prone to say idiotic and scummy sounding things whether he's town or scum, if forced into a position of scrutiny

i like him and i feel like his position makes sense, and his post 4205 makes great sense as a follow up to 4166. actiondan on the other hand seems to be falling apart like scum who didn't expect this outcome at all, and doesn't quite know how to handle it.

contrast dan's reaction to matt's.

anyway re: IAI, i have an irrational fear of fake PR claims, but i am really trying hard to stop lynching them immediately after something happens that makes them doubtable, because obviously scum has it in their mind to discredit the PRs and be destructive to town synergy in any way possible. matt was a big factor in this town's synergy in a way, so it would make sense for scum to frame/busdrive him.

that's another thing that makes the PV kill even weirder, because he was not really very glue-y in terms of getting ppl to stick together and focus on common things, he's more of a post sniper that doesn't really add much. kinda like AJ, which brings me to your next question...

what do you think of aj who has pretty much done nothing, especially comparing it to the newb game you gmed?

tbqh i didnt pay enough attention to mini 1359 from a playstyle standpoint

i just did votecounts and stuff -__- i feel like a bad person now.

in this game however, i felt like he was town earlier, but i didn't like how he completely ignored the zabriel flip and the NK yesterday morning. that was the beginning of my suspicion on him, even though i had written him off

what about borky?

bork feels generally town to me. i understand his arguments even if i feel they're wrong.

this is a really good sign usually, because i think much differently than most people

[UberNinja]

As for dan, I assume he's town because I'm guessing IaI is faking. He claims when he's getting heat, tells us he investigated the night kill, then he gives us a bad lynch which other people seem to be happy to excuse for him, and now he's telling us dan is scum. Alarm bells are ringing.

there are at least three things wrong with this paragraph

cookies for who can spot them

[UberNinja]

And then pidgeon suggesting framer right off the bat today, this I find suspicious.

No you don't.

LOL

[UberNinja]

oop[s i got distracted for a few hours on youtube

look at this gem i found!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAzQr3Ml0UI

[UberNinja]

I'm really liking town IAI here.

VOTE: ActionDan

this

[UberNinja]

Actually I want to talk about/to UN.

How in the world did you go so fast from one idea to another based soley on IaI's spec about a possible busdriver (like congrats you now know what a busdriver does, why I'd be unlikely to be targetted by one, and a possible reason a town cop would target me to avoid one of the two parties being busdrove: but how can does this in any way convince you IaI isn't simply lying about being a cop)?

i'm more interested in how you kinda skated through the entire game and only now you're beginning to get active

it's possible he's lying, yes, but it's still a better idea to keep him around one more day than keep you around one more day

if you're town that either means either a) scum was INCREDIBLY clairvoyant in framing you, or b) IAI is lying and scum

that would not have been the case with Matt however because he was an obvious target for this type of thing and you were clearly not, and there is also the fact that IAI sounds completely legitimate about this and you, in fact, don't

i have had cop results on me before as scum and there are only two things you can do

a) get super active all of a sudden, and suggest all kinds of ridiculous stuff to WIFOM people out of thinking clearly, or
b) give up and vote yourself

and you are doing exactly the same kind of "a)" that I would do

VOTE: IaI

there's not going to be a framer because it's absolutely useless when there's IC + 3 masons.

this is setup speculating instead of saying "no, he's lying, i'm town" or something similar

this doesn't sound like a town response

I voted IaI in this post before IaI claimed a guilty on me. Even so, did I really have to say that I believed he was lying while voting for him?

operative words: "or something"

you sounded like you were more interested in whether or not you could get yourself out of a scum result via setup speculation, than shocked, surprised, and full of righteous anger at what was an incorrect result

in other words, you fucked up bad

[UberNinja]

Framer / Busdriver / Whatever, they're has to be SOME type of counter to all the PR's town has All Goons + JK makes no fucking sense. Framer would be a more direct counter to cop, but a busdriver seems more helpful to the scumteam from what I'm hearing. I don't see how ActionDan isn't the optimal lynch for today since IAI JUST being scum doesn't add up well

this this this this thsi thsi...

[UberNinja]

I'm not sure what the optimal play is here. I don't think there was much choice other than lynching MattP yesterday barring a PR claim

assuming anyone would have believed yet another PR claim from mattp anyway?

this sounds rehearsed, like you are reading it out of a book somewhere

Sorry if that's all repetitive; I'm trying to work it out in my own head right now.

this sounds robotic too, almost like you're trying to play that "everyday person who is just trying to figure everything out" role that scum often play when their buddies are caught and they want excuses to go through every possible permutation of possibilities in posts while giving various amounts of support to each, yet still wanting not to be held accountable for any of it

a disclaimer, as it were.

[UberNinja]

Hey Uberninja, here's an idea!

Try reading posts in the right order scrub.

a classic scum-lashing-out-because-they-know-they're-already-as-good-as-dead moment

ha

[UberNinja]

AP, extremely unlikely, I think.

PEdit:
Lucky bus driver shenanigans.

RIDICULOUSLY lucky/weird bus driver shenanigans

[UberNinja]

VC plz

[UberNinja]

I believe IAI's sincerity yesterday.
I believe IAI's sincerity today.

I think Dan's got some holes in his story.

I'm of the mind that we should lynch both of them regardless.

Damn I still wish we had a vig.

[UberNinja]

Anyway, I had this weird dream last night. Basically there was this bent cop, a giant pigeon, a penguin with a machine gun and some smirking black girl with a crown, and they were going round killing everyone, avenging the death of this pretty Indian girl who talked in broken English. I think it means something but I can't quite put my finger on it. Any of you people studied Freud or Jung?

LOL

[UberNinja]

Missed the vote count reading on mobile device; thanks AJ.

UberNinja, do you think there's time to lynch both? Is it feasible that we started with six scum and so are at MyLo, barring fortuitous night actions?

I doubt there are six scum, that's quite a few for a game this size (given one faction)

The reason I thought the "five scum" comment from Matt was a slip earlier was solely because I thought he was assuming there were not multiple scum teams, which at that point of the game seemed like he had more information than the rest of us

[UberNinja]

And dammit mollie, stop eating paranoia flakes.

I'm town and you know this for a FACT. Matt knew this before he died, too.

Look at IAI/Dan's posts and see who's telling the truth here.
Feel free to look at IAI's posts for yesterday. I'm just not feeling scum there.

[UberNinja]

And dammit mollie, stop eating paranoia flakes.

I'm town and you know this for a FACT. Matt knew this before he died, too.

Look at IAI/Dan's posts and see who's telling the truth here.
Feel free to look at IAI's posts for yesterday. I'm just not feeling scum there.

well if dan flips scum or IaI flips town then obviously people can disregard this!

does it make you feel better that I actually want to lynch you last????

why do you want to lynch me AT ALL is the question

eta: xpost rev - I read ap as town. and I said the exact same thing about a possible framer on the mason board in the night round.

i read AP as town too, and thought the exact same thing as soon as he flipped town

[UberNinja]

I made several requests for uber to be viewed cos I don't think anybody except ap and I has the balls to lynch him

well you never helped me push the lynch did you now? and when you are town that is one thing you do is push cases!

uhhhh

i believe he did

it just never went anywhere because the greater collective of players knew i was town

[UberNinja]

mollie do you honestly think either majiffy or me is scum?

[UberNinja]

or are you just paranoid that you're being tricked?

...and by the people who you SHOULD be able to trust the most?

because if that's the case then you need to rethink everything
and channel your rage into the proper avenue

and do something constructive

instead of being a beacon of paranoia for everyone to draw from, ESPECIALLY when we have something as cut and dried as IAI vs Dan

and clearly Dan is the one we should be lynching. if he flips town then obviously IAI is lying

yesterday he could have been "wrong" about matt because of role manipulations
but this time any bus driving or framing would have had to have been COMPLETELY CLAIRVOYANT in order

and if you think it's a redirector, scum REALLY REALLY LIKELY would have redirected him to a townie just in case he would have suspected them
and then gotten a mislynch on IAI today because "oh hurr durr of course you have a town result today, because you don't want to be seen as lying"

makes no fucking sense. either there's a busdriver or framer who's COMPLETELY FUCKING CLAIRVOYANT, or one of them is scum

and IAI makes way more sense than dan. if IAI is pulling a gambit then it's a fucking scummy-worthy gambit

[UberNinja]

also

[UberNinja]

i'm not worried, i'm annoyed

[UberNinja]

and maybe that's the reason PV was killed over you

because they figured you were interchangeable and you didn't push lynches any harder than he did

which makes sense given that both majiffy and myself are still alive and we are your main scum reads

or am i just imagining things

[UberNinja]

also

[UberNinja]

to be frank i do not have a town read on majiffy

but dan and possibly IAI are priority lynches

and yes you're entertaining and likeable, and if i was scum i could totally see myself saying you should be kept around for those reasons

if i WAS actually scum though i would have killed you off long ago
seeing as you've basically been trying to get me lynched all game

and PV was pretty much an empty suit so idk wtf was going on with that

unless scum are getting cocky and killing off useless ppl just for shits and giggles

[UberNinja]

there's probably a better reason though

such as:
who do you have a town read on, which you have defended? (who PV didn't/hadn't)

that would be a good reason to kill him over you, if it came down to brass tacks

[UberNinja]

Majiffy is a powerful wizard

You are all under his spells

[UberNinja]

mollie, re:Dan/IAI:

sup

[UberNinja]

Let's do it. Oh my god this will be really fucking amazing. Please let's do it.

VOTE: majiffy

yes, let's completely ignore this good cop/fake cop situation and lynch somebody entirely uninvolved

[UberNinja]

that is THE BEST idea i've heard all game

THE best

[UberNinja]

to not lynch one of them IS to completely ignore it, no matter what comments you make on it

i am literally at a loss as to what is fucking at all hard to understand about that to you

[UberNinja]

herp derp

has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[UberNinja]

Cross off a Rev/Majiffy team.

Don't tell mollie

[UberNinja]

Majiffy aside, who would you lynch first out of IAI/Dan, mollie?

[UberNinja]

uber you really give me a workout do you know that?

o i kno dat, girl

I am not sure. IaI's overall play looks much better than dan's. he breadcrumbed early, viewed his top scum read on n1, followed his conf town read's suggestion on n2 and for the most part he reads as genuine. dan's play at the end of yesterday when he was all ack ack ack matt is town looks terrible. and he only developed a sudden interest in the game when he was under fire looks even worse. but something is out of place but maybe it is just you and majiffy and dan. <---- not a lot of associative tells related to you 3.

you think that if IAI was town and i was scum with dan that i would choose dan to lynch over IAI? lol

you think that if dan was town and i was scum with IAI and i wouldn't be bussing IAI for cred? lol

you think that i'm scum at all? lol

you are seriously giving credence to the notion of lynching somebody OTHER than the cop who got a target wrong yesterday, and then got a scum result today, and is EITHER a cop with a legitimate scum result, or is lying scum himself, is actually any kind of a decent plan?

thats not even funny. that's just bad. and not just bad, but BAD

you're fucking with me right mollie?

[UberNinja]

or is it basically that you're so paranoid of majiffy that you don't even want to choose what is obviously the ONLY good movie which is to lynch one of IAI/Dan

do you honestly even think there's EVEN the slightest chance that both of them are town? because if you do, then you need to check yourself

[UberNinja]

tl;dr we are lynching one of IAI or Dan and that's it today

and it better be Dan because of 4205 alone, if nothing else

[UberNinja]

i am so sick of this game

can we lynch somebody

[UberNinja]

what a very nice fencesitting post that is ^

basically the long and short of it is: IAI looks squeaky clean, Dan looks like shit

therefore we lynch Dan. if he's scum we lynch IAI

[UberNinja]

*if he's

town

we lynch IAI

if Dan's scum we move on and come back later

[UberNinja]

Nice potshot, Dan. Good to see

your

scumhunting amounts to little more than "he was busy this day phase so we should totes lynch him after the person with a guilty on me".

this kind of post isn't helping at all if you're town

[UberNinja]

Reverend, there is so much scum on the Dan wagon, it's fairly obvious what it boils down to. Scum is forcing another lynch by buddying dan. I am starting to completely believe that we've got a IaI/Vifam/two others scum team. Now, here's my issue: Whether or not Dan is scum and being bussed here is irrelevant: If he is bussed, IaI will regain a lot of status by the town. With scum pushing the lynch. The gambit HAS to end. It was shakey on Matt, it's even worse here and I can't believe people are accepting it.

Now, IaI is scum for forging bullshit about other town's people.
Vifam is scum because his posts haven't really been that helpful imo even though he has the most posts here by far. He also completely disregarded the fact that most likely, neither or both kills would be frames, not one or the other.

If I had to guess, the other two scum are between Jiffy/Ninja/Dan. It could be a bus, but Dan's last few posts accumulate to more town things than what IaI has done the whole game.

this is such a fucking posturing post

if IAI is scum you're scum with him. i will swear it on the cock of Zeus

[UberNinja]

btw

reads lists, everyone

go

[UberNinja]

mine:

Majiffy - maybescum
pirate mollie - probtown
Lord Mhork - town
ActionDan - probscum
I Am Innocent - probtown
AngryPidgeon - town
Aj the Epic - probscum
borkjerfkin - probtown
TheReverend - probtown
penguin_alien - maybescum
UberNinja - town
Vifam - probtown

[UberNinja]

that's 6 out of the 8 people that don't include yourself, dead people, or confirmed town

lol

[UberNinja]

i don't remember you saying much about bork and AJ at all, come to think of it

how come they're not on the list?

[UberNinja]

pirate mollie - probtown

Haha fail.

Mollie is conf town ninja.

lol yea

but it's not like you don't know i know that

[UberNinja]

so since you're on, let's talk about some things

do you really think IAI was planning to set up a fake claim, and was able to pull off 2 scum results on townies, 2 days in a row?

[UberNinja]

aaaand, you're gone

[UberNinja]

oh you're just on invisible

like me

heyoooo

[UberNinja]

why do you think bork and AJ are town?

nvm i'll go check

[UberNinja]

majiffy - scum
uber goober - scum

i expect an apology post-game

[UberNinja]

penguin_alien and AJ are sticking out to me as the scummiest actually

which is why I asked about bork and AJ because you seemed to want to gloss over them Rev

[UberNinja]

why do you think bork and AJ are town?

nvm i'll go check

I've pointed the finger at both during this game, I believe. But, I think they're town based on the other 6 people looking far scummier.

so ... everybody looks scummy except the conftown?

got it, i'll remember never to read another one of your posts without a whole shakerfull of salt

[UberNinja]

i just asked Rev why he didn't mention AJ or bork in his latest reads list

and he said he's reading AJ and bork as town. so i went to check his iso

ha. goldmine, motherfuckers

I can dig an AJ lynch.

VOTE: AJ

I'm struggling to find time for a good read through at the moment, so please forgive me if I drift along until after we have some flip info.

Happy with AJ or chkflip today I guess, unless someone presents something really compelling.

In order, the scum are (strongest to weakest) Jacob Savage, Majiffy, Aj the Epic, and Hero (for me).

This stinks. You blatantly picked the most likely targets that might save your ass. I think scum is you plus a few more I haven't figured out yet.

Not jiffy, definitely not arc, probably not hero or jacob. AJ and hero maybe. Vifam stinks of town.

I feel like I'm getting a feel for the game now. Hurry up and die, scum.

That AJ slip is pretty bad, but I love that zab gives him town cred for it.

AJ and zab.

Don't lynch me too quickly, I'm starting to figure it out.

Oh yeah jacob is scum too. That's it then. Jacob, zab, AJ and yeah why not, bork too.

Is that it? Are we likely up against 5?

Haha yeah AJ is scum.

Who the fuck gets a scum read from some dick spamming it up with stupid posts like "5 in a row"? It's not that I actually think I should be town for it, but to try and use it to justify a crock of shit scum read on me is just funny.

zab and aj. Man my wagon was awesome, it helped flush the scum out.

MVP award right here.

I really think IaI is lying scum here still. But apparently no one sees this. Whatever. I only control one vote.

This post smacks of posturing. IAI has three votes, plus there's me willing to lynch him. You're not alone in wanting him dead. Why are you pretending you are?

that's 6 out of the 8 people that don't include yourself, dead people, or confirmed town

You want a few >>>s so you can see strongest to weakest?

IAI > majiffy > ninja > vifam > penguin > pidgeon

i don't remember you saying much about bork and AJ at all, come to think of it

Because I think they're town maybe?

why do you think bork and AJ are town?

nvm i'll go check

I've pointed the finger at both during this game, I believe. But, I think they're town based on the other 6 people looking far scummier.

care to backtrack a little, before you hit the noose?

cause that's where you're going. directly

tl;dr: Rev is scum with AJ.

[UberNinja]

since you are determined to bury you slip up

thats not a slip up, everyone knows you're a mason

can you plz tell me why your avatar is wearing a pink mask, uber?

cuz i'm a raver and i'm traveling hundreds of miles to this in a few weeks and i'm fucking excited as fuck

http://www.swedishhousemafia.com/masquerademotel/


bump it SHM. one last tour

[UberNinja]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

yeah you're gonna need more than this

[UberNinja]

what do you think of rev + AJ, majiffy

[UberNinja]

updated

Majiffy - maybescum
pirate mollie - potato
Lord Mhork - town
ActionDan - probscum
I Am Innocent - probtown
AngryPidgeon - town

Aj the Epic - probscum w/Rev

borkjerfkin - probtown

TheReverend - probscum w/AJ

penguin_alien - maybescum
UberNinja - town
Vifam - probtown

[UberNinja]

motherFUCKER

read 4504 plz

[UberNinja]

Bah! See you after the game...

i can't see the image... but i copied the url

and it is POSH AS FUCK

<3

[UberNinja]

i listed mollie as "probtown" instead of "town" because i copy pasted when creating my reads list instead of typing everything

[UberNinja]

So you must be scum then ninja, because you insist I'm scum based on me having AJ as scum earlier and not now. Reads changing over time is a town tell in my experience. Be more worried about those who seem to remain fixated on the same people.

But no, ninja wants to press this as a huge scum tell. This is pushing for my mislynch. He thinks my awful ISO is going to make me an easy target. He might be right to be fair, but I'm pretty sure now that ninja is scum.

Note jiffy's post...

But if we lynch Rev and he flips scum, I will.

When I flip town, this kills the AJ link, right?

I've changed my mind. I think scum is IAI, jiffy, ninja and... drumroll please... AJ.

I fucked up calling him town and now the scum are trying to seize on it.

EXCELLENT

this is rich

[UberNinja]

Fine lets lynch AJ.

how the fuck are you getting "let's lynch AJ" from anything I just said

or anything anyone has said over the last two days

[UberNinja]

My current take on things:

Known town to all (in the interest of not skipping anything)
pirate mollie
Lord Mhork

Others:
Majiffy: leaning scum
ActionDan: scum
I Am Innocent: scum
AngryPidgeon: leaning town
Aj the Epic: leaning scum
borkjerfkin: null
TheReverend: leaning town
penguin_alien: town
UberNinja: town
Vifam: I don't even know

I just have the feeling that it's not an either/or thing with ActionDan and I Am Innocent unless there was a Framer. If I Am Innocent is scum and we're not at MyLo, it seems like he gets more mileage out of setting up a scum buddy. If he was scum who screwed over MattP yesterday, he'd have to figure there's a huge chance of him getting lynched today, which means that by being truthful about an 'investigation' result leaves a cleared townie behind. Calling a buddy scum means that his lynch leaves us thinking he was setting someone up for a fall, and that buddy being lynched restores our faith in IAI. I realize that this leaves me in the position of wanting both of them dead eventually, but lynching ActionDan first forces IAI to provide another investigation result.

I don't know where the vote count is, but given that there was discussion of a hammer, am I correct that no one's asked ActionDan for a claim?

both of them DO need to die

what do you think of my Rev/AJ pairing

[UberNinja]

Dan has been lurking his ass off, gets a guilty on him, and suddenly is posting up a storm? :/

ding ding ding

a winrar is you

And the thought of lynching a cop who crumbed and managed to snap claim it is ALSO upsetting to me. But less so than lynching Dan. So yep. I would probably lynch Majiffy if I had the choice.

AP

wat r u doin

AP

stahp

[UberNinja]

Penguin, it's L-2 since mollie switched to IAI. I was going to hammer until mollie switched to IAI, I gave 12 hours notice and he's posted since, so I'm not concerned about a claim.

Ok so we have pidgeon, mollie and myself willing to lynch jiffy. Anyone else?

that's the worst idea in the history of ALL TIME

-kanye west

[UberNinja]

Lynching Majiffy gives us another day of IAI being forced to come up with an investigation, but I think everyone agrees there's guaranteed scum between IAI and ActionDan.

you're assuming IAI is scum here

if IAI is town, and has just copped ActionDan legitimately, then scum will kill him, because they know they can't afford all of the associative results if they leave IAI alive until later only to be lynched for paranoia's sake, at which point he flips town and they are royally fucked because he's gotten results on the ones of them they didn't ALREADY EXPECT HIM TO TRY TO GET RESULTS ON

i.e. IAI made a bold move and investigated someone not in the "hey, inspect this guy" pool, and it paid off.

at least that's my opinion

[UberNinja]

UberNinja, I follow your logic on TheReverend-AJ the Epic, but I have a niggling slight town read on TheReverend so I'm far less interested in stringing him up. It's not particularly well-supported, so if we end up nailing scum in AJ down the line I'd revisit, particularly depending on how AJ comes off in the intervening days.

well everyone can't be scum

and everyone can't be town

and i've had a pretty decent town read on rev for most of today but then that all went into the gutter when he listed his "6 top scum reads" and none of them include a guy he's been calling scum ALL day, and has NEVER ONCE called town

it has nothing to do with how scummy AJ is, even though he's scummy

it has EVERYTHING to do with Rev being a lying sack of shit

[UberNinja]

I think this is the point, hence why I've moved to AJ scum with ninja.

HOW FUCKING CONVENIENT OF YOU

YOU NEVER EVEN "THOUGHT" HE WAS TOWN

UNTIL YOU FORGOT TO PUT HIM ON YOUR SCUM LIST

CAUGHT, FUCKER

This seems really opportunistic of ninja, he's ignoring the point that town regularly changes reads and is persisting with the idea I'm scum simply because I've not been consistent with AJ. Do you think scum would wildly swing opinion like that? Especially regarding a scumbuddy? For those who note meta, you should worry a lot more about me if it seems like I'm checking my ISO to ensure consistency. It should be clear that I haven't been doing that this game.

HERE LET ME DRINK SOME OF THAT WINE IN FRONT OF ME

WANT TO TRY SOME?

[UberNinja]

i listed mollie as "probtown" instead of "town" because i copy pasted when creating my reads list instead of typing everything

that wasn't the slip

okay

well


don't keep us all guessing, what was it?

[UberNinja]

I kinda hope you are town ninja, just so you feel like an uber dick when you see my flip.

i am an uber dick either way

but thanks for betraying that you don't actually have a real scum read on me

I haven't been calling AJ scum all day. I made one comment suggesting he was posturing. My scum reads on AJ are from way before today. I've been inconsistent with AJ because I'm town and I don't know his role, duh.

ohhhh that makes PERFECT sense

so when exactly did he flip from being a scum read (all game) to a town read (all of a sudden, today)?

[UberNinja]

REV/AJ

FOR PREZ

SEE THE LIGHT

[UberNinja]

Everyone seems to have support for lynching me, and yet a wagon won't happen.

There are only two logical steps we can take from this fact;
1) I'm scum, and all the people "up for lynching me" are buddies who don't want to bus but don't want to stick out in the event of me flipping scum.
2) I'm town, and all the people "up for lynching me" are scum who want me lynched but don't want to stick out for actively pushing when I flip town.

Either way, we can conclude there is scum in the passive supporters.
Good day.

except for mollie, right?

at least you agree on rev

rev dies before majiffy

[UberNinja]

except for mollie, right?

Mollie's being stupid atm.

yeah but stupid =/= scum

AngryPidgeon, how likely do you think it is that a) we're at MyLo and b) if IAI is scum he's throwing us one of his buddies?

a) 0.4%
b) Considerably more possible. I don't know.

neither of those are even remotely possible

[UberNinja]

P.S.

[UberNinja]

Associative tells are only any good when you have a scum flip, Uber Goober.

false

you have clearly never solved this riddle

Einstein wrote this riddle last century and said that 98% of the world's population would NOT be able to solve it.
Are you a part of that 98%?

There are 5 houses that are each a different colour.
There is a person of a different nationality in each house.
The 5 owners drink a certain drink. They each smoke a certain brand of cigarettes and also have a certain pet. No owner has the same pet, smokes the same brand of cigarettes nor drinks the same drink.
The question is. "Who has the fish?"

CLUES

1. The British man lives in the red house.
2. The Swedish man has a dog for a pet.
3. The Danish man drinks tea.
4. The green house is to the left of the white house.
5. The owner of the green house drinks coffee.
6. The person that smokes Pall Mall has a bird.
7. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
8. The person that lives in the middle house drinks milk.
9. The Norwegian lives in the first house.
10. The person that smokes Blend, lives next to the one that has a cat.
11. The person that has a horse lives next to the one that smokes Dunhill.
12. The one that smokes Bluemaster drinks beer.
13. The German smokes Prince.
14. The Norwegian lives next to a blue house.
15. The person that smokes Blend, has a neighbour that drinks water.

Do you want the answer? Do you think you are in the top 2% of the world's population?

[UberNinja]

solve it, angry bird

then you are allowed to speak

[UberNinja]

I kinda hope you are town ninja, just so you feel like an uber dick when you see my flip.

i am an uber dick either way

but thanks for betraying that you don't actually have a real scum read on me

I haven't been calling AJ scum all day. I made one comment suggesting he was posturing. My scum reads on AJ are from way before today. I've been inconsistent with AJ because I'm town and I don't know his role, duh.

ohhhh that makes PERFECT sense

so when exactly did he flip from being a scum read (all game) to a town read (all of a sudden, today)?

lol you're really good at misrepping, aren't you?

yes

"I kinda hope you are town" does not equate to "I think you're town". Nice try.

what it means is you don't actually think i'm scum, you just want it to look like you do

AJ has not been a scum read all game. I've been basically unsure about him and you're gleefully doing your best to link me to him because my read on him has been inconsistent (which in itself is consistent with my town meta).

self provided meta is useless

You are not behaving like town here ninja. This is opportunism at its finest. It's funny how you've been inconsistent with your read on me yet inconsistency is all of a sudden a scum tell when it's somebody else. I was obvtown until it became clear that your buddying was failing.

that's just my meta

oh wait

[UberNinja]

in lieu of AP, I'll answer those.

a) not mylo because mylo = 5 scum in 12 players = 6 scum to start with in a 21 player game = huge scum team = unbalanced (and we already know that scum had the powerful mafia jailkeeper).

b) Have you not detected by now the raw emotion and vitriol emanating from my posts? If we were both scum this day would have been long over, and I'd never inject such vehemence in ridiculing this town.

convince me in a sentence or less to vote for IAI instead of you

i will bet you actual money that it can't be done

[UberNinja]

Associative tells are only any good when you have a scum flip, Uber Goober.

false

you have clearly never solved this riddle

Einstein wrote this riddle last century and said that 98% of the world's population would NOT be able to solve it.
Are you a part of that 98%?

There are 5 houses that are each a different colour.
There is a person of a different nationality in each house.
The 5 owners drink a certain drink. They each smoke a certain brand of cigarettes and also have a certain pet. No owner has the same pet, smokes the same brand of cigarettes nor drinks the same drink.
The question is. "Who has the fish?"

CLUES

1. The British man lives in the red house.
2. The Swedish man has a dog for a pet.
3. The Danish man drinks tea.
4. The green house is to the left of the white house.
5. The owner of the green house drinks coffee.
6. The person that smokes Pall Mall has a bird.
7. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill.
8. The person that lives in the middle house drinks milk.
9. The Norwegian lives in the first house.
10. The person that smokes Blend, lives next to the one that has a cat.
11. The person that has a horse lives next to the one that smokes Dunhill.
12. The one that smokes Bluemaster drinks beer.
13. The German smokes Prince.
14. The Norwegian lives next to a blue house.
15. The person that smokes Blend, has a neighbour that drinks water.

Do you want the answer? Do you think you are in the top 2% of the world's population?

only 4 pets are mentioned, dog, cat, horse, bird. There may or may not be a fish. The question can't be answered.

it's called PoE dumbass

[UberNinja]

except for mollie, right?

Mollie's being stupid atm.

yeah but stupid =/= scum

I'm aware. Your point?

i have forgotten if there was ever even a point to begin with

Associative tells are only any good when you have a scum flip, Uber Goober.

false

you have clearly never solved this riddle

Your analogy is weak. Do you know ~2/3 of every player's roles and/or win conditions? If not, then your riddle has nothing to do with this argument. And if so, by all means, present your information to the table.[/quote]
my analogy is weak, but i have experience putting together something out of nothing

it's not working in this game so it makes me think i'm being played for a fool

[UberNinja]

Let me post the next 5 posts from Vifam so he can lurk into oblivion and not waste his time

ActionDan is scum. Lynch him

ActionDan is scum. Lynch him

ActionDan is scum. Lynch him

ActionDan is scum. Lynch him

ActionDan is scum. Lynch him

ActionDan is scum

Lynch him

fucking LOL

[UberNinja]

k I can dig

Vote: ActionDan

p.s. i am really proud of you all for not quick lynching the cop w/a bad result btw
in games with lesser players this could have gone horribly horribly wrong

Mollie, what do you think about this post?

I think majiffy and uber are scum scum scummy scum.

I am not sure I can be any clearer with this.

this is literally the stupidest thing ever

[UberNinja]

even if he is scum, i make no sense with him as buddies

and that doesn't even begin to explain my complicated relationship with rev

so do you think rev is town now? because you went from majiffy/rev to majiffy/uber

and you haven't said much about rev since i started calling him scum

also, majiffy was trying to lynch me earlier, and you have chosen to ignore that

seriously, you need to think your shit through

and then think it through again

and then make a post apologizing for being so incredibly dumb

[UberNinja]

mollie i have no words

you are in the top 5 most frustrating players i have ever played with

[UberNinja]

We are all pretty stupid at the moment

what does this even

mean

[UberNinja]

even if he is scum, i make no sense with him as buddies

and that doesn't even begin to explain my complicated relationship with rev

so do you think rev is town now? because you went from majiffy/rev to majiffy/uber

and you haven't said much about rev since i started calling him scum

also, majiffy was trying to lynch me earlier, and you have chosen to ignore that

seriously, you need to think your shit through

and then think it through again

and then make a post apologizing for being so incredibly dumb

are you talking to me here?

yes

[UberNinja]

So much for Posh Mafia. Although I suppose that ship sailed Day One.

AngryPidgeon, since everyone seems to agree that we'll get one more chance to lynch I think we get the most utility out of lynching ActionDan. Either of them flipping scum fails to exonerate the other in my mind, but the claimed cop at least has to give us another investigation result if he lives through the night. Given that no one's come forward with a night result that supports or denies IAI's claim, i.e. tracker, in terms of set-up having a town cop and multiple confirmable townies plus a bodyguard balances a framer and jailkeeper (and the vig goes somewhere in there).

For that matter, no one's come forward with any kind of (truthful) investigative role claim. If that's all we have, by my count we're assuming scum JK, framer, three goons; town cop, bodyguard, vig, IC, three masons, thirteen VTs.

What do you consider the most compelling argument to lynch IAI? I'd say the incorrect result on MattP is the worst, we've seen from him, followed far behind by the timing in posting about the ActionDan result. Although it was his first post of the day made less than two hours after the day phase started. I do thunk that if he isn't lynched and lives through the night, we should collectively agree that no one posts anything in the new day phase before he gives us his investigation result.

in the bolded, IAI's claim is both true and false

do tell

[UberNinja]

Dan WAS a relatively easy target.

Popular sentiment seems to disagree. So unless you have better reasons to support it than "well look at how far it's gotten!", since Dan

not

being an easy target was

kind of the point

, and the

reason

why it's gotten so far...

also, majiffy was trying to lynch me earlier, and you have chosen to ignore that

And tried to lynch Rev earlier too. And will in the future.

Then again, I do like to bus, so maybe all three of us are scum together and Mollie is just ace this game.

that's definitely the most LIKELY scenario

but is it the most INTERESTING one?

i vote no

[UberNinja]

FUCK YOU MAESTRO I ALMOST HAD THAT I GOT YOUR 25 IN THE P-EDIT.

wait, maestro's actually pagetop sniping, but he's not putting in vote counts?

lol! fuck. that's even funnier than the lost video

[UberNinja]

UberNinja is a dick. This becomes a VC later.

Hehehehe

[UberNinja]

I was referring to MattP's gunsmith claim in the context of people volunteering claims that would cast doubt on IAI's claim.

... "no one's come forward with any kind of (truthful) investigative role claim"

except that IAI's claim was THE DIRECT RESULT of matt's gunsmith claim

[UberNinja]

still waiting on somebody to do something before something else happens

[UberNinja]

I am pretty sure I could look up some quotes that would make you remember differently.

[UberNinja]

Don't have time right now, I'll do it tomorrow

[UberNinja]

You should be getting something shortly mollie

[UberNinja]

Well, let's see:

1) If IAI is scum, you're just inviting more WIFOM from him.

2) If IAI is town, you're going to get a guilty result on Uber no matter what Uber actually is.

huh? why would he give a wrong result on me if he was town?

and speaking of: what DO you think i am?

[UberNinja]

yabbut you are missing the lulz we could gather from an uber viewed guilty meltdown when he is scum.

yabbut that would not happen

and would it even make a difference what the result was?

a) you wouldn't believe a town result
b) nobody would trust a scum result

okay fine.

VOTE: IaI

in which case, why are you voting for him?

dan is the lynch for today, stop being difficult

[UberNinja]

UberNinja is a dick. This becomes a VC later.

double entendre powers, GO! posh enough for you, Maestro?

[UberNinja]

Remember that role in the game that we're required to have for IAI to be town? Guess where they'll be visiting tonight if we do that?

I mean your total lack of awareness of the gamestate suggests you're town, but christ dude you're making some awful points here.

when you say dude it makes me wonder who you're talking to

but if it's mollie, i agree 100% with this post

[UberNinja]

That looks like it should be a dunkin donuts logo

the O in posh is the donut

lol

[UberNinja]

Mollie what are we doing here? Are we seriously going to table this issue today?

IAI's generally been calm and collected and AD's been extremely emotional. My gut at the beginning of the day was to not believe IAI due to the absolute requirement of a framer in this setup for that to even be viable, and I don't see enough bad behavior from Dan to really change my mind here. Leaning like 65/35.

Some people seem WAY too sure it's one or the other, though.

so bork

tell me why it's not just possible that IAI is town and AD is scum?

[UberNinja]

Remember that role in the game that we're required to have for IAI to be town? Guess where they'll be visiting tonight if we do that?

I mean your total lack of awareness of the gamestate suggests you're town, but christ dude you're making some awful points here.

when you say dude it makes me wonder who you're talking to

but if it's mollie, i agree 100% with this post

I am talking to you.

Step 1) IAI is town and we lynch Dan
Step 2) IAI investigates you
Step 3) ????
Step 4) ????

Fill in step 3 and 4.

p-edit: It IS possible. Are you even reading what I post?

step 3: town result if not framed, scum result if framed

step 4a: if scum, mollie goes "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG" and ignores the fact that matt flipped town AND the fact that actiondan + IAI are still alive and are a walking contradiction, and tries to lynch me instead

step 4b: if town, mollie insists there must be a janitor or something, and ignores the fact that actiondan + IAI are still alive and are a walking contradiction, and tries to get people to lynch me anyway

don't tell me that's not accurate, because it is

[UberNinja]

I dunno what any of that step 4 shit is about, but the fact of the matter is that YOU ARE GETTING FRAMED if we don't lynch the framer today and we talk openly about investigating you.

Hence why IAI gets a guilty on you regardless of your actual alignment.

Why are we having this conversation again?

because i am simultaneously a bona fide genius and a vacuous moron

another thing i was just wondering was: is IAI confirmed sane?

because that just popped into my head and i don't recall any discussion about whether that might be a possibility

nah... idr what result he got on nacho (if any) but mollie was town sooooo newp

[UberNinja]

but then, mollie would have been a great frame target on N1

well, wait. by that line of thinking so would have ten other people

[UberNinja]

nvm i really am retarded, because that wouldn't affect an insane cop anyway

and whoever would put an insane cop and a framer together in a setup is beyond retarded

[UberNinja]

aaaand, lol, this is a normal game

[UberNinja]

fuck.





i'm just gonna stop talking

[UberNinja]

Remember that role in the game that we're required to have for IAI to be town? Guess where they'll be visiting tonight if we do that?

I mean your total lack of awareness of the gamestate suggests you're town, but christ dude you're making some awful points here.

when you say dude it makes me wonder who you're talking to

but if it's mollie, i agree 100% with this post

I am talking to you.

Step 1) IAI is town and we lynch Dan
Step 2) IAI investigates you
Step 3) ????
Step 4) ????

Fill in step 3 and 4.

p-edit: It IS possible. Are you even reading what I post?

step 3: town result if not framed, scum result if framed

step 4a: if scum, mollie goes "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG" and ignores the fact that matt flipped town AND the fact that actiondan + IAI are still alive and are a walking contradiction, and tries to lynch me instead

step 4b: if town, mollie insists there must be a janitor or something, and ignores the fact that actiondan + IAI are still alive and are a walking contradiction, and tries to get people to lynch me anyway

don't tell me that's not accurate, because it is

I dunno what any of that step 4 shit is about, but the fact of the matter is that YOU ARE GETTING FRAMED if we don't lynch the framer today and we talk openly about investigating you.

Hence why IAI gets a guilty on you regardless of your actual alignment.

Why are we having this conversation again?

cos uber is scum

yea because THIS wasn't predictable

[UberNinja]

yeah that was before matt flipped town

[UberNinja]

actually i don't even know what you're trying to say there

[UberNinja]

EXCEPT IT'S NOT OBVIOUS WHEN---

HAVE YOU EVEN BEEN FUCKING REA---

Spoiler:

[UberNinja]

yes i'm assuming that

have you READ post 4205 or are you literally just playing dumb

i mean, read any of IAI's posts today

does that sound fake to you?

[UberNinja]

honestly i am beginning to believe AJ is just dumbtown

i thought he was really scummy at the beginning of D4 but now i am not so sure

and then it makes less sense for Rev to have an immediate town read on him if they were buddies

it was probably just that Rev hadn't really gotten a read on him, and called him scummy all game, and then forgot what he said all game

because his reads weren't genuine reads, they were just knee jerk reactions to being asked questions or wanting to look useful

fuck this game. i'm the only one who's sane

[UberNinja]

what makes you SO sure, vifam?

[UberNinja]

so now we're outguessing the mod?

okay i'll play

but tell me why IAI's story makes sense and actiondan suddenly has a bee in his bonnet
why wouldn't he be calm and cool, knowing that IAI just led a mislynch on matt, and that nobody would listen to IAI today

Spoiler:

because he wasn't expecting to be inspected, that's why

[UberNinja]

I just realized IAI only posted once during all of Day 4

and that was to say MattP was scum

[UberNinja]

i'm v/la until i catch up on something else

[UberNinja]

wheeee i am really enjoying something

i can't wait until i'm done with my ranking index btw, that's gonna be sweet

[UberNinja]

4687 is tuuuurrrrrrible btw