/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Tierce]

O hey this opened when I wasn't looking.

There may have been a lot of capslock rejoicing in Faraday's general direction. ^__^ He's (kind of) forgiven for #YOLOville.

My usual approach is useless here. One

might

lurk through the first few pages, the other

I'm shooting Tonight

but then I won't have Sveta to look at anymore, woe

I can't read on D1. Also etc.

Please be Town.

Let's try something not so different~

VOTE: Shadoweh

One phoenix per game, dearie.

[Tierce]

Boring, the lot of you.

UNVOTE: Shadoweh
VOTE: DeasVail

[Tierce]

Nah, too easy~

[Tierce]

What is Shadoweh's alignment and why, Mr. State Building?

[Tierce]

Would also vote Konowa at this point. But first I need to figure out what is going on in his avatar.

[Tierce]

Would also vote Konowa at this point. But first I need to figure out what is going on in his avatar.

Why Konowa?

Bear with me a moment. Quotes are just for reference of what happened and

oh god I swear I'm not walling on page 2.

O hey this opened when I wasn't looking.

There may have been a lot of capslock rejoicing in Faraday's general direction. ^__^ He's (kind of) forgiven for #YOLOville.

My usual approach is useless here. One

might

lurk through the first few pages, the other

I'm shooting Tonight

but then I won't have Sveta to look at anymore, woe

I can't read on D1. Also etc.

Please be Town.

Let's try something not so different~

VOTE: Shadoweh

One phoenix per game, dearie.

This was my first post in the game. Apparently there was nothing in it worth thinking I'm Town, since Konowa posts several times between this and my next post without any such joy at noticing the obvious.

Boring, the lot of you.

UNVOTE: Shadoweh
VOTE: DeasVail

Yay, Tierce is Town.

/inb4 snark was there any doubt reply

...Really? I mean, I know I'm bad at scum, but this was

one post

, and I'm not

that

bad at scum that I do not detect poison wagons. What is more, Town Konowa is incredibly paranoid about me. See Dresdenafia, Maf.Rarefaction Segunda, and so on. Here Konowa "realizes" I'm Town after a post that is as bland as they come. ...What?


Your posts need more words, Johhog.

[Tierce]

Yes Benmage.
No Benmage.

How dare I answer a direct question to me in a post with

six lines

of original material and quotes for timeline reference. I am very sorry you had to wade through all that.

[Tierce]

You mean absinthe.

The prosecution rests, Your Honor.

[Tierce]

It would, wouldn't it?

[Tierce]

eh, whatever

Unvote: CTD

Vote: Empire

This is hilarious survivalistic crap. Chrome wants to correct "survivalistic" to "surrealistic", and that seems like a good alternative.

Never mind that Deas has absolutely no input on why early massclaim would be scummy, whether it should be done or not and why, and how Empire's (Deas's scumread and Deas's vote) opinion of CTD's stance in D1 massclaim affects Deas's own read.

[Tierce]

Yes.

[Tierce]

I think we should lynch CTD.

Him asking for a massclaim is pretty scummy, especially considering how I've seen him play before.

Vote: CTD

In 24, I make it pretty clear that I've seen CTD play before. As far as I know, he asks for a massclaim every game (at least every game I've seen him play and Empire brings this up too).

And no,

I don't think asking for a massclaim is scummy, especially not in CTD's case

, if that clears anything up.

So which is it?

[Tierce]

I think we should lynch CTD.

Him asking for a massclaim is pretty scummy, especially considering how I've seen him play before.

Vote: CTD

In 24, I make it pretty clear that I've seen CTD play before. As far as I know, he asks for a massclaim every game (at least every game I've seen him play and Empire brings this up too).

And no,

I don't think asking for a massclaim is scummy, especially not in CTD's case

, if that clears anything up.

So which is it?

Obviously the second?

Then why the contradiction from Post 24? This shouldn't be like pulling teeth.

[Tierce]

Hold on a moment. Are you saying it was a joke?

...RVS is stupid. If you suspect someone for stupid reasons, that's suspicious and should be treated as such.

UNVOTE: DeasVail
VOTE: Konowa

[Tierce]

Yeahhhh, could go for DV too. But I want my Penguin. Oh yes I do.

Whoa, hold on Tierce? You're buying that? Because that just made him go from meh to scum on my list.

This seems like it's your problem, not mine.

@Benmage: I've seen scumDeas having to fight off a D1 wagon on himself that was being lead by me. Wouldn't be particularly surprising. The word I was looking for is closer to "opportunistic" than "survivalistic", but etc.

Tierce, why didn't you consider that I was trying to attract attention?

You did something scummy. I don't have to immediately assume three layers of WIFOM to everything that is done on page 1.

[Tierce]

CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.

Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.

[Tierce]

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.

Nothing she hasn't done as scum before.

[Tierce]

Unvote. Vote: Shadoweh

-Scum vibes from her first post, in particular the town voting block idea and the comment(s) that accompanied her penguin vote
-Post 50 seems unhelpful/pointless

(I can go into more detail later)

Please do.

@Benmage: I've seen scumDeas having to fight off a D1 wagon on himself that was being lead by me. Wouldn't be particularly surprising. The word I was looking for is closer to "opportunistic" than "survivalistic", but etc.

What game was this?

Mafia with the Kitties.

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.

Nothing she hasn't done as scum before.

You mean as town?

I mean what I wrote.


@N: Reads, please and thank you.


@Llamarble--why did you completely drop your previous lines of reasoning to vote Deas without commenting on posts made by your "previous" scum suspects?

[Tierce]

Was that a good wagon by the bye, Tierce? I don't remember.

He was scum. Does that answer your question?

[Tierce]

Stop being smug about it. You were his scumbuddy, you know how good the wagon was and how it failed at the end of the Day.

PEdit: So, etc.

[Tierce]

There is a link to it. Go down memory lane yourself, I'm not paid enough to do guided tours.

[Tierce]

Not nearly enough.

[Tierce]

...

I was about to say that scumVi wouldn't take lunch time out to post actively in a game, especially from a phone, but that doesn't really count as

actively

. Needs more puppy fluff.

Johhog--want to do something with your vote, then?

N is probably scum.

I don't think I've answered Empire yet--my unvote means that I think Deas's explanation is satisfactory, even though that kind of play irks me; it's the kind of thing that causes

anyone

to pile on him. Town will have rightful reason to do so (it's a scummy attitude), and scum can blend in. Doesn't make him scum, here or in other games, but it's not particularly

good

play.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Konowa
VOTE: #YOLlamarble

[Tierce]

Svita, stating the obVious.

[Tierce]

...Llama, you sign up for /in-vitational, get a playerlist like this, and then imply that you are not going to do your best because even your best gets you mislynched? What the hell? If you're Town, stop being lazy already. You're hardly getting "interrupted", back and forth is part of how mafia works, and if you think that it is somehow not relevant, you have had just as much time as everyone else to figure the game out and participate in whatever way you think is actually relevant. This Bravado Meets Whinging does not become you.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Llamarble

Do go on.

[Tierce]

CES decided to be boring. We can't have that. (Fiiiine.)

VOTE: Llamarble (#YODO-2)

[Tierce]

Scummies WINvitational. I sent this to everyone involved at the time, you should have a copy unless you deleted the file/my PM, Llama.

[Tierce]

None of this play is warm fuzzy town Vi.

I'd be more then happy to lynch you if this is what we got. But alas your reputation precedes you, and this awe-inspired people won't have the heart to see you swing. Not yet at least.

****(Write this down... When Vi is alive D4, question it...and don't believe the I was playing off because Im this awesome PR!)

1) Incorrect. Warm fuzzy Town Vi has this terrible habit of being apparently useless in the first steps of a game. Ask for reads if you actually want something done. Don't be surprised if the answer is more floof.

2) Vi wouldn't play off due to being a PR. The closest I've seen Vi

not

being obvTown on purpose was when we were a Mason hydra in Dresdenafia, because we didn't need to. Vi doesn't believe in hiding PRs and would probably be fine with a D1 massclaim.

So while I agree with your logic that good players being alive in later Days is suspicious by default, your reasoning is all faulty. ScumVi would need far better excuses than that in this game, especially if Empire is Town. What is more, this is a very good roster and I'll be quite entertained by that NK/lynch list either way.

[Tierce]

I guess I'll dig around for meta.

meta to see if tierce is a sucker for V/LA excuses...?

...what?

What V/LA excuse are you talking about?

[Tierce]

My only problem with Empire is that our reads are mostly matching where they

should

be, and that makes me somewhayt paranoid because I have revealed those reads already. (Which is part of the reason I've just been sniping reads instead of explaining them--I've seen Empire-scum sheeping me and trying to ride his buddy's lynch.) But dayum, that's content, keep it coming.

I'm entering V/LA for the next week

; the next couple of days should have some semblance of content, but I'm likely to drop off the map afterwards.

[Tierce]

My only problem with Empire is that our reads are mostly matching where they

should

be, and that makes me somewhayt paranoid because I have revealed those reads already. (Which is part of the reason I've just been sniping reads instead of explaining them--I've seen Empire-scum sheeping me and trying to ride his buddy's lynch.) But dayum, that's content, keep it coming.

(Pretty sure I beat you to the punch on a lot of them, chew on that fucker.)

<_<
>_>

It's the N and Konowa reads I'm worried about. Your Townreads are lovely and keep 'em coming. I'll be chilling in Paris (literally, the city is COLD in February wtf give me my Mediterranean weather) while you have to churn out content, so etc. (>")>

(Also also, I'm just here in hope that Vi needs defending/attacking some time and I will

finally

learn what meta it is you have on my main account.)

[Tierce]

[quote="In post 254, Wickedestjr"]Please explain why you don't have a read on me. There is a pretty much universal Townread going about--what are your feelings on it?


Your reads feel fairly safe. Please come back with more.

[Tierce]

EBWOP:

Neutral; everyone else

Please explain why you don't have a read on me. There is a pretty much universal Townread going about--what are your feelings on it?


Your reads feel fairly safe. Please come back with more.

[Tierce]

Also, why is N probably scum?

Lack of absolute contribution to the game. N-scum feels fairly detached from the game, while N-Town might be snarky, but is definitely willing to provide reads in a proactive manner and without going with the flow, which is what he's doing. The fact that he is apparently conscious he is doing this doesn't much alter this read, as he has played with a lot of the playerlist before as Town and scum and knows people know him. (i.e. admission of actual facts in his present participation or lack thereof doesn't really weigh his alignment one way or another, as he doesn't lose anything by doing so and gains "honesty" points.)

Your reads feel "safe" because there isn't much of a strong stance on anything that might hurt your chances of pushing a (mis)lynch, here or down the line.

Go meta people. I promise I'm an entertaining read.

[Tierce]

Back to N for a moment:

Tierceflail

What is this? N has seen me as Town and as scum, he has been my scumbuddy, and this is all he has to say about me so far. I ask him for reads, he gives an empty Nacho read and doesn't do anything else. It's hollow, doesn't have any meat, and doesn't feel like the Town-N-pissed-off-at-the-game in general that I know and love. THAT N is participative, throws his weight behind what he believes in, does stuff. This feels much closer to the lurkerscum N that occasionally snipes in with a pretense at weak commentary.

[Tierce]

I can understand both the Llama and Johhog wagons, but I dunno - Nacho is always scum.

I can understand both the Llama and Johhog wagons, but I dunno - Nacho is always scum.

You say you read ny160b (which some at the end of the game said was underpowered anyway) and still say nacho is always scum?

I mean that's fine for an rvs vote, but 10 pages in?

I should have made that clearer: he's always scum in games with me.

...

See, I called him scum earlier, and this is only increasing. Tammy is asbsolutely right. Ten pages in, and

everything

N has said in the game is "Nacho is scum because he's always been scum in games I'm with. I guess the other wagons are okay too."

How BORING. How incredibly empty.


Vi, either you explain 'marblescum (and I agree this feels somewhat like the annoyed Llamarble-Town in Abarat, though that is an easy attitude to have as either alignment and doesn't hinder his play as scum/Town), or I'm out. N and Konowa are looking far worse than him.

PEdit: I still have no frigging clue how to read Vi. Ask Empire.

[Tierce]

PEdit: I still have no frigging clue how to read Vi. Ask Empire.

Mind you, I'm not talking about the quirky "emulating Glrok" type of anti-town; I'm talking "let's just push this mislynch hard". Given your hydraing with Vi as scum (with the quickhammer and everything), you must have some idea of how much of the latter Vi's scumplay has.

Seriously, I have no clue. I wish I had. I am as clueless about Vi's scumplay as I was a year ago, and I still have bad memories of Chrono Trigger Resurrection. Open 463 was essentially us flailing around and hoping to cause as much damage as possible due to the playerlist. Ask Empire, I believe he has a better grasp on Vi.


PEdit: Still oh so very fine with lynching N.

[Tierce]

Vi,

what

contradiction? Explain it to me like I'm a scatterbrained puppyhalf.

[Tierce]

What do you think is Llamarble's reasoning for voting Deas?

[Tierce]

I mean, I commented on it as well, and I still think it's one of the weirdest things from him:

@Llamarble--why did you completely drop your previous lines of reasoning to vote Deas without commenting on posts made by your "previous" scum suspects?

His reasoning was "not enough time for etc.", which is etc. of itself. But but--seriously, look at N. u._.u *whimper*

Please?

[Tierce]

I've noticed in quite a few of my games I've alienated people and gotten myself mislynched, so I'm trying a new thing. I'm not sure what you're exactly expecting from me (have you gotten my meta mixed up with someone else's?), but I can go through the whole thread and make snarky comments if you'd like?

So your solution to the Final Problem is "do nothing", and you assume what I want from you is

snark

instead of actual content?

Okay. No. Not buying it.

Enter Zhar-ptitsa.

UNVOTE: Llamarble
VOTE: N

[Tierce]

Tierce, Shadoweh, T/S

I can tell that a lot of work went into the first half of that read.

Why the second?

[Tierce]

...Oh. It needed a question mark.

Currently, scum. Wouldn't lynch Today.

[Tierce]

Tierce: How strongly do you feel about N?

It's my strongest scumread, followed by Konowa.

There can only be one Australian in the game and Regfan is waiting in the wings.

[Tierce]

Well then lynch him too.

[Tierce]

Even though MLP and Mafia in Trip

On the first, I died N1, you were barely active, never had to read me. On the second, I was ridiculously obvTown and was a triggered Innocent Child that was confTown before the end of D1. Are you seriously using these games as any sort of evidence as to how you read me, especially since are the first ones you played with me and there is later evidence that you

are

indeed paranoid of me?

Here, you Townread me from one post, two at the most--now you're adding further reasoning, but this is what

actually

happened

before

the Benmage-wall situation:

Would also vote Konowa at this point. But first I need to figure out what is going on in his avatar.

Why Konowa?

Bear with me a moment. Quotes are just for reference of what happened and

oh god I swear I'm not walling on page 2.

O hey this opened when I wasn't looking.

There may have been a lot of capslock rejoicing in Faraday's general direction. ^__^ He's (kind of) forgiven for #YOLOville.

My usual approach is useless here. One

might

lurk through the first few pages, the other

I'm shooting Tonight

but then I won't have Sveta to look at anymore, woe

I can't read on D1. Also etc.

Please be Town.

Let's try something not so different~

VOTE: Shadoweh

One phoenix per game, dearie.

This was my first post in the game. Apparently there was nothing in it worth thinking I'm Town, since Konowa posts several times between this and my next post without any such joy at noticing the obvious.

Boring, the lot of you.

UNVOTE: Shadoweh
VOTE: DeasVail

Yay, Tierce is Town.

/inb4 snark was there any doubt reply

...Really? I mean, I know I'm bad at scum, but this was

one post

, and I'm not

that

bad at scum that I do not detect poison wagons. What is more, Town Konowa is incredibly paranoid about me. See Dresdenafia, Maf.Rarefaction Segunda, and so on. Here Konowa "realizes" I'm Town after a post that is as bland as they come. ...What?

I'm not buying the legitimacy of that Townread in the least.

[Tierce]

Where? The earliest evidence of a Townread from you is on 101, given 164. Hardly page 2.

[Tierce]

I don't know if that means "wait", which I'm fine with, or "I have no idea about the pages I'm talking about", which is far different. Getting a Townread several pages into the game is not that remarkable, but calling me Town on Post 28 and having yet to provide evidence for that read

at the time

without just saying a vaguety vague "early game tells" that has no meat to it, THAT is remarkable, a word that in this context means "scummy".

[Tierce]

Damn right I expect you to be able to explain this kind of stuff:

Whole time though, I think the reality is that I feel like I'm getting better at picking up early game tells.

This is not "gut". This is something I did, which you're refusing to specify, though you have no problem pointing out stuff

afterwards

. The problem is the timing for that Townread, coming from who it comes, and the fact that you are unable to explain its origin

at all

.

Color me red, but unimpressed.

[Tierce]

I expect you weighing in on this later on, Empire.

[Tierce]

Remind me of this post after Shadoweh answers Post 336.

[Tierce]

When tierce and konowa post back to back my brain does a double take.

My hellnix is far prettier than the red giant above a forest or whatever

that

is. Plus, I'm Town. (>")>

[Tierce]

Tierce I am extremely disapoint right now. Someone not commenting on the general town read on you isn't noteworthy. Vi should not need to explain your own vote to you. You should seriously stop blowing off reading Vi, even if you can't pick up sekrit scum tells, you can still find the town ones right? I'm not even going to comment on the other thing you did because I think you said it just to annoy me. I have no intestinal disagreements to your N case though and will consider following.

What kind of answer do you want from me here?

How do you think my discussion with Wickedestjr is more worth of idle commenting than what I have been bringing up regarding Konowa, who you mentioned here as a vague scumread--

Guess I'll check out Johhog, DeasVail, Konowa for weak scum

--and never again brought up, after I went on several back-and-forth posts with him?

My Llamarble vote was clearly for pressure building and I was trying to figure out if it was a wagon worth continuing on or pursuing a scumread I'm more convinced of; asking someone else on the wagon to give their own reasoning hardly seems like an outlandish question.

I'm in no rush to read Vi, especially in a game with Empire. When you are calling Vi Town yourself, I don't know what's your issue when I go #YOLO on that slot for D1. It's not like I don't have a track record of doing so, and a game in which I have explained exactly

why

I don't read Vi on D1. I know you like to go on :easymode: as scum, but do your research if you have issues with how I handle reading Vi. I can't be bothered, won't be bothered, so lay off.

And what is your issue with Tammy's one-liners?

[Tierce]

so I would appreciate if you would at least discredit my thoughts on someone who is lurkposting and maintaining the exact same reads without change the entire day EMPIRE X SHADOWEH SCUM OTP.

Oh, Empire is totes scum.

There, discrediting done!

[Tierce]

I'm busy ignoring CTD.

My point was why you think my discussion with Wickedestjr is relevant to mention as a thing-Tierce-is-doing-wrongly and my discussion with Konowa doesn't even bear a mention, when you apparently already have some sort of scumread on him. Your priorities seem to be somewhat twisted around.

[Tierce]

Tierce, were you being serious when you said she was scum?

I was. Not interested in a wagon Today.

[Tierce]

I'm not ignoring you. But much like Vi, I believe you are an easier read later in the game, and I doubt I would be able to discern anything useful from a wagoneh Today. In the meantime, you are good company. Therefore, etc.

[Tierce]

The fact that I keep posting like there's no tomorrow doesn't mean I'm not V/LA. Quick rundown: I'm doing laundry and cleaning the room and whatnot, because my American half arrives tomorrow and we have to be in France on the 28th. I'll get back to you as I can/when I manage to focus, but if my participation has been reduced to sniping remarks, it's because I

am

kind of busy. Hellnix is in a flurry of activity and wooooo scatterbrainage.

[Tierce]

...Oh. It needed a question mark.

Currently, scum. Wouldn't lynch Today.

(^Inreference to shadow)Thats odd? Why not lynch today?

I've answered this already.

I'm going to go with leaning town on N. Following his success in NY 160, I'd expect him to be more motivated as scum with this kind of playerlist (he knows that he can fool good players) and try harder to look town. Compared to here, he was just a lot more pro-town there, and that's more the kind of thing I'd expect. I don't think the reasons behind the wagon are all that bad, I just don't really agree.

And yet, this is a good chunk of the playerlist that was in Black Flag Nightless as well, both as his scumbuddies and as the Town who caught him. So no, I don't see why he should have a particular level of motivation to be playing better. Goodness knows I'd be curled up in a corner in a ball of sad if I had drawn scum.

[Tierce]

@CTD (#311): Erm, it wasn't supposed to be a suggestion, I made it pretty explicit that I thought that post was scummy. You're basically expressing suspicion on the two of us while keeping your vote on Llamarble and commenting on us both without taking a more clear stance on which of us you think comes off worse in it just makes it seem like you're trying to encourage the argument rather than trying to glean meaningful information from it. And I don't see a BoP aspect to Shadoweh's argument which is why I haven't responded to it + I've already suggested I'm somewhat leaning town on her though it's been reinforced by her recent posting.

Stop looking so Town, you. I will not have this kind of competition.

[Tierce]

Gah. I need an hydra buddy or something. I feel like so much of this game is going WOOOOOSH over my head and that I don't know how to play alone anymore. I want to gripe about situations and get someone who reads the parts I skim and the possibility of bouncing ideas back and forth and I just

can't

.

I'm too scatterbrained for this right now, but eventually I'll probably appropriate the thread to act out a decent hydra discussion with Empire and/or Vi. It feels really damned awkward not being able to talk with either of them about the game as it is ongoing and I keep looking at AIM and pining for brainstorms we cannot have. Even when I currently have no idea what I

would

discuss, I feel like I need it.

Firebird feels very lonely and needs someone to hold her hand/wing/talon/whatever.

[Tierce]

I'm not. I feel in a pretty good mood, just rather frazzled because I have several things going on and not a whole lot of time.

Are you trying to annoy me to see what reaction I will give, because that's what this feels like.

No, I don't do any of this soft-trolling shit. You know I'd be coming at you harder than that if I was trying to frustrate you into towntelling (and believe me, I have more than enough ammo to do so).

What's your read on CES and am I right about #382?

God

damn

, son.

I said it before and I say it again--as much as I "complain", seeing this kind of post is such a relief, it means I'm not being led around by the nose. (And if you

are

scum, you should feel horrible about me blindingly trusting you to be Town. Just so you know.) In Empire we trust. This is Town beyond belief.

I'll go back to my moping for now, if you don't mind. The next few days are going to be a rather frantic rush for me, but I'll see about hashing out general ideas to at least set them down and discuss them with Empire. Because screw all of you, he's Town and we work well together. (ºwº)

[Tierce]

By the way, Empire, I don't want to spoil anything you might want from others, but I look at 382 and have no idea what you're on about with that tell.

[Tierce]

Vi, Tammy, T/S

[Tierce]

Tierce*, dammit.

[Tierce]

Vi, Tammy, T/S

Vi said something like this earlier, but I don't know what it means. Are you saying one is town and the other is scum?

It's a question.

Tierce*, dammit.

Oh shit, how many times have I done that?

Too many. The annoying part is that I can't reciprocate because there's nothing to transpose. I guess I could go with И, but it's somewhat dull.

[Tierce]

Like I said earlier, that I'm way too aggressive and alienate people so they want to lynch me to shut me up. Also I can't explain my reads very well ever.

I got that, but how does that stack up against your scum game?

I'm going to end up meta-gaming everyone in this roster, I can already tell.

This still needs answered, N.

[Tierce]

Two other things I wanted to mention:

Remind me of this post after Shadoweh answers Post 336.

You're welcome.

Thanks, but I addressed that already.

[Tierce]

CTD: Read Empire again. Go.


N: Again, it's a question.

[Tierce]

"Vi is sheeping Tierce" isn't really any sort of commentary on Vi's vote on you, N.

[Tierce]

...Oh. It needed a question mark.

Currently, scum. Wouldn't lynch Today.

(^Inreference to shadow)Thats odd? Why not lynch today?

I've answered this already.

Where?

Tierce, were you being serious when you said she was scum?

I was. Not interested in a wagon Today.

Why not? I'd make a pretty good one. I'm avoiding all your scumspects, totes validate all your other reads, and it would help ignore me directly asking you questions! You aren't interested in a wagon because you have no reason to think I'm scum and I am insulted you would think so, so either put up or stop ignoring me.

I'm not ignoring you. But much like Vi,

I believe you are an easier read later in the game, and I doubt I would be able to discern anything useful from a wagoneh Today.

In the meantime, you are good company. Therefore, etc.

[Tierce]

@Tierce ..So Vi, and Shadoweh(shadow being a scum read).. are two people you essentially would never lynch D1. Anyone else on our playlist?

I feel like everyone is an easier read later in the game... why the free pass, I do not get.

Because I clearly have stronger reads. This isn't rocket science.

[Tierce]

...Are you skimming my posts, or what? Yes, reads change, but when I have two strong scumreads that are doing nothing to make themselves look

less

like scum, I'm not about to go out of my way to wagon a person I believe I can read better as time goes on. There is no need for me to spend that effort,

because I already have scumreads

. This isn't a new behavior, you can see me doing it regarding Vi in Otherworld Mafia. I think Shadoweh is easier to figure out on later days, and I am BUSY, so no, I am not about to let N and Konowa go to chase Shadoweh. That would be impressively stupid and cost-inefficient.

And taking into account how busy/V/LA I am, no, I don't need input from people I haven't mentioned, in good part because I am not reading them in full. I mean, seriously,

Empire

? You really aren't reading my posts if you are using him as an example of people I "might" be interested in seeing more from. Empire is Town, the only thing I want from him now is for us to have time to post together and figure stuff out.

It's a Large game, I have a life, and I'm not going to provide reads and/or wagon everyone on D1. Deal with it.

[Tierce]

**You didn't simply say you want to pursue your current/better reads.. but that these 2 would essentially be off the table for D1, even though you have Shadoweh as scum.

Honestly, Benmage. What the hell are you smoking? Yes, Shadoweh might be scum, but no, I don't have confidence on this read and I think it will benefit from maturing. I don't think I can read Vi with

any

degree of accuracy on D1, and in this game we have Empire-Town who is probably the most capable of reading that slot. I'm in no rush.

You're the kind of player who looks on certain others with suspicion when they are alive past a certain Day, so what is your problem that someone else is taking an approach that boils down to the same thing?

I'm out of patience for this line of inquiry. Go bother someone else.

[Tierce]

It's a Large game, I have a life, and I'm not going to provide reads and/or wagon everyone on D1. Deal with it.

I'm out of patience for this line of inquiry. Go bother someone else.

Tierce go fuck yourself.

This exasperation at my inquiry is quite the theatrics. I aksed a few questions as to why you solely wanted to avoid a couple players. As the reasoning was you get better reads on them for later days.

My point, is everyone becomes better reads later as the game develops. You still haven't answered ****WHO ELSE on the list would fit into the Shadoweh/Vi list of being "untouchable" D1.

I'm not asking for you to attack anyone. I dont get where you jump to me asking you to a full inquiry into these players.

ALL I asked is why did you remove the OPTION completely, and who else would fit in to the removed (criteria).. which I'm still waiting for.

I'm really not asking much here.. I don't get the exasperation. Nor did I ever ask you to stop questioning those you find scummy. (N/Konowoa)

The question wasn't explicit...?

I can't read CES, but that's hardly new either. (>")> Other than that, I don't think there's anyone I particularly feel like becomes clearer as time goes on

by itself

, at least that I've had that experience with.

[Tierce]

I'd be perfectly fine with lynching

you

D1, if that's what you're asking~

[Tierce]

GL lynching me D1/ever.

See, now you hit the crux why I don't even bother trying to read Vi on D1. I know I can't, and I know it's pointless because D1 Vi lynches don't happen. And that last post was well-deserved snark, not being bitchy--so tone down the insults, please.

Tsunami is not my alt. The only alt I have is Tyene Sand, and I'm one half of Jabberwock and Sixty. Everything else is under this username.

[Tierce]

Out of those on my wagon, I think CTD's jump on was the worst, followed by Empire's. I don't know whether I just don't understand how my own meta is seen or whether Teirce and Empire are cherry-picking parts of it that suit their case.

On the other hand, Teirce's build up to voting for me is to be expected, but she does actually understand her own meta so that doesn't mean anything. I actually doubt that she'll be moving her vote again today. (I mean that the way she built up to her vote is usual for her, not that she voted for me; that's debatable.)

Are any of these scum reads (or town reads in Tierce's case) that you're interested in championing?

lol what. If that's what you take from that post, I can see why there's a wagon on you.

More votes here, please.

Vote: penguin

Consider me caught up?

Ugh. As ugh as this post is, I would have expected him to bus here. I'll check the votecount later to see if it would make sense, I should dash out for now.

Konowa's justification for his read on me still sucks.

[Tierce]

/}

Paris is cold and wheeee I don't care about this game at present. See you on the 1st. Maybe. Something. Lynching N is a good plan.

CES, you know that wagon ain't going nowhere. Stop being silly.

[Tierce]

Vi is not being fluffy enough. Benvolio is a terrible pick for Benmage. Plus, that means he survives, and

yuck

.

I was about to ask a cool question, then the votecount turned it into a boring question. So you get another boringish question as I ignore Messieurs Quote Stripes CrashTextMamma8. Tammy, the hot date with Big Blue should be over by now--thoughts on the wagons?

[Tierce]

N

(5) - Tierce, Vi,

CrashTextDummie

, Empire, penguin_alien
Vi (2) -

Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum

CrashTextDummie

(5) - WickedestJr,

N

, Nachomamma8, Llamarble, Johhog

Messieurs

, I have an excuse to be boring, it is called City Of Lights And Freaking Windchill. I repeat, your vanity wagon is as dull as they come. At least add some flair to it. :whimsy:, mayhaps?

But this

is just silly. Be more entertaining.


PEdit: Benedick would have been more appropriate. I am still disappointed in you.

[Tierce]

Exit, pursued by a bear.

I would say I didn't write 5Six-ty, but etc. Apparently had the wrong

alt

brain-half logged in at the time.

And this is how we brainstorm successfully. One day our hydra discussions

would

have to come to light.

The Vi wagon is meh. I think it looks like normal Vi. I prefer this one.

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Playing very differently from Team Mafia, where he was town.

If all the people bolded could do something productive with their lives it would be most appreciated.

That's exactly what I'm doing, staying out of this thread.

Wickedestjr is sooo town it burns. I could get behind a CTD lynch though. I think he's pretty clearly trying to stay out of the limelight by asking pseudo-scumhunting questions, that hardly can be used to actually lure out the scum.

UNVOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum
VOTE: CrashTextDummie

What do you think of this and of what is not here?

[Tierce]

There is also something else glaringly missing from Johhog's posts. A French pastry to anyone who can spot it (or lack thereof).

[Tierce]

Vi is not being fluffy enough. Benvolio is a terrible pick for Benmage. Plus, that means he survives, and

yuck

.

I was about to ask a cool question, then the votecount turned it into a boring question. So you get another boringish question as I ignore Messieurs Quote Stripes CrashTextMamma8. Tammy, the hot date with Big Blue should be over by now--thoughts on the wagons?

why do you ignore me?

Because you're all NachoofIllusion and it's boring and I'm V/LA in Paris. Is there anything I should be looking at, abridged version? I thought you were pretty studiously ignoring my presence in the game and was having no trouble returning the favor, at least for Today.

[Tierce]

He also committed one of my favorite scum tells, in as much as I believe in scum tells, in Post 407. I did have this happen to me once. I wrote a whole wall of reads in marketplace mafia, but I was on my ipad and accidentally hit the "x" instead of the tab and had to rewrite the entire thing. However, every time that I can remember someone claiming to have just written a big huge post that got eaten and they weren't going to rewrite it, it's been scum.

So this is your favourite scumtell, and yet it's something that actually happened to you as town?

And Empire, just so you know, one of us was *-* close to having to replace out after I read Post 504. My knee jerk reaction was to talk to you on aim about how ridiculous it was that he thinks you're scum.

this feels like a fake dumb tell.

I keep wanting to cry. Seriously, what. the. hell.

Tammy's reaction on the second part of the post is actually perfectly natural. I've been spending this game in the most awkward situation of having

no scummers

I can talk to about this game just for the purpose of venting. It feels really weird not being able to do so with people you chat with regularly on AIM, and there are quite a few players here who do so--this might have been the playerlist with a highest Want To Play with results out of the four games. So no, that is not a "dumb tell" in any way, and even if she

is

faking it, the feeling is shared by at least one Town player. (Hi.)


The first part is outright hilarious. I have the same knee-jerk reaction to people saying they had this magnificent wall of reads and that it was miraculously lost. Town players tend to try and rebuild it (and yes, I have seen it happen to Town--to Konowa, I believe, and to Nacho in ADwD, among others), but I don't really see

you

showing any particular interest in it, which is what is scummy. The laziness in rebuilding something that you should already have thought out doesn't really bode well.

[Tierce]

VOTE: CTD

Benmage and Wicked are probably town. Tierce is driving me crazy, but that's okay. I'd rather lynch Empire at this stage, but I know that's not going to happen.

And Nacho is still actually scum.

Waiting for an explanation on

anything

here.

[Tierce]

Flambérd, would you mind validating the pengualien wagon?

Goodness, no, that would require effort. And from what I've skimmed, the slot is satisfying me enough that I am not interested on a lynch there Today. I'd much rather have scum who have visible paper trails around them alive on later Days than having someone like N be allowed to live--if he's scum, we eliminate him Today; if he's Town, he's hardly bothering to be useful anyway. :/

[Tierce]

Also, you

[Johhog]

haven't said a single peep about N and Penguin-Alien (other than your random vote shenanigans), the two leading wagons, and I find that very problematic.

[Tierce]

Also, you

[Johhog]

haven't said a single peep about N and Penguin-Alien (other than your random vote shenanigans), the two leading wagons, and I find that very problematic.

I actually don't know what this picture is of. I reverse google image searched it and it said it was sugar, but I don't see how that related to what CTD said.

I wonder how on earth you think this is more relevant and urgent than what I have asked of you and which you haven't answered. You know, actual somewhat proactive participation in the game instead of making snide remarks at people with no genuine attempts at scumhunting.

[Tierce]

There are

two

things on this page that are fluffier than me. This is getting upsetting.

Firebird might be a bit annoyed.

[Tierce]

Yes, it's totally my fault that you're not scumhunting. I should feel terrible.

[Tierce]

You're cute. That's still not an answer and is still not scumhunting.

This slot really needs lynched.

[Tierce]

So you can't give concrete examples of me asking pseudo-scumhunting questions. Making shit up confirmed.

And of course you could be persuaded to vote penguin-alien at deadline. Ignoring a wagon all day long and then going "oh well, deadline-lynch" is shady as fuck. Why do you have a town-read on N?

Can't say I'm interested in you. If other people want me to answer your questions, then that's OK. But it's wasted time to give in to your laughable threats.

/} Stop dodging and answer him. Why is N Town?

[Tierce]

Do you need more evidence that N does not have this game as a priority when he's at L-2 and is the most likely lynch, having been asked to claim? He has been around at least twice since Llamarble and Wickedestjr's claim requests, and nary a peep was heard from him. Lynch away.

[Tierce]

It's like it's magic. Where's your claim and where is your scumhunting, N? Are you going to keep up just defending yourself with some vague meta statements without anything else, 17 hours to deadline?

[Tierce]

It's a Normal game. It shouldn't take

minutes

for you to claim once you see the request and know you are at L-2, much less

hours

, much less whinging when I point out that you have been active elsewhere in the intervening time. Stop stalling and claim.

And wanting to make a "case" out of an ongoing game when you know perfectly well you are not allowed to do so is... come on. It's yet more stalling. Out with that claim.

[Tierce]

The best part is that he apparently wants to compare an Empire Town game to the current one when there are LOTS of finished Empire Town games, in hydras or alone (recent ones, too!), but no, this ongoing is too precious. And I'm shutting up at this point because modkills are bad things.


PEdit: O hey Zdenek, nice seeing you again. If you didn't want to play with me, no one forced you to have me

not

on your DNW list, so... *shrug* I'm back to bed. If you are Town and think your performance is in any way acceptable (when I'm hardly the only one thinking you are scum), thanks for playing against your wincon!

[Tierce]

And seeing as I'm burning bridges with Tierce, I may as well say that the main reason I don't want to claim is because she's trying to force me to.

This is great too, considering that you were online after the claim request, that I hadn't pushed you for it yet, and that you didn't claim

then

, despite having ample opportunity to.

[Tierce]

Empire is Town, Nacho. He's being too cocksure about several things to do it as scum. Go read his two games as scum (one of them is alted as Black Mask). We have similarish views about being scum and how boring it is, and I don't think he'd feel like he could be that arrogant as scum with this playerlist. The Townreads on me and Tammy are easy, yes, but we are also the people he has played with the most, he has hydra'd with both of us, and we are fairly easy to read for him. When we hydra, our reads tend to match up pretty well, and what is more--in this game, I saw him reach similar conclusions to me

from his own sources

. That bodes quite well.


The problem with N is that, regardless of what you said about him, his play is extremely convenient for scum. He's mostly avoiding connections with potential buddies (though I'll love it if he flips scum, because his interaction with me is clearly not bussing), not providing scumhunting, either proactive or reactive, and he's using a vague excuse of meta (which is ALL he has done so far) to explain really horrible play. This is not me just going in :justice: mode about it, it's that his play fits much more scum being bitter at drawing scum with this playerlist and trying to coast than providing

anything

. He's yet to answer any kind of questions regarding reasoning for his reads, and what he has on Empire is "he's just posting one-liners", which is 1) blatantly not true, 2) something Empire did in Black Flag Nightless, 3) something he's doing on occasion because he has been busy with RL. N's pushes feel weak, unsubstantiated, and I know he's capable of far better as Town without the aggression he says gets him mislynched.

Also of note that N lied here:

And seeing as I'm burning bridges with Tierce, I may as well say that the main reason I don't want to claim is because she's trying to force me to.

This is great too, considering that you were online after the claim request, that I hadn't pushed you for it yet, and that you didn't claim

then

, despite having ample opportunity to.

I'm not sure what you mean. I wasn't here until about the same time as you made that post accusing me of what-the-fuck-ever and I got all contrary.

He was most definitely online several hours before I made said post.

People are still asking him to claim, and he refuses to play to a Town wincon. If anything, this is scum fearmongering--refusing to claim causes people to be afraid to lynch him, which causes wagons to shift off. Truth be told, that refusal to claim is more like a vanilla claim than anything else, IMO.


Incidentally, I had a dream that Regfan was in this game, was obvTown, and that N flipped scum. It was sad to wake up to the present condition again.


I would totally move these two wagons onto Johhog, Mr. Look At Me Avoiding Uncomfortable Questions:

So you can't give concrete examples of me asking pseudo-scumhunting questions. Making shit up confirmed.

And of course you could be persuaded to vote penguin-alien at deadline. Ignoring a wagon all day long and then going "oh well, deadline-lynch" is shady as fuck. Why do you have a town-read on N?

Can't say I'm interested in you. If other people want me to answer your questions, then that's OK. But it's wasted time to give in to your laughable threats.

/} Stop dodging and answer him. Why is N Town?

[Tierce]

Go read his two games as scum (one of them is alted as Black Mask).

You seem to have done so. Never mind that. >.>

[Tierce]

Ok so I managed to get some time in between classes to draft this up.

I'm in a bit of a hurry so sorry if this comes out frazzled.

Another thing. Empire wouldn't do

this

as scum, Nacho. He feels incredibly lazy when playing scum, and in this game he continues paying attention and trying to post whenever possible, instead of pushing this game to the bottom of the pile of things to do.

[Tierce]

Tierce--Mostly organic reasoning. The only parts of her ISO I don't like is where she talks about how hard the game is to follow, particularly since the rest of her postings belie this sentiment. Leaning town.

Pardon? I didn't say it was

difficult

to follow, I said I was V/LA and didn't have the patience to. The game promises to be quite difficult due to the playerlist, but I have plenty of time to keep up.

@Faraday: My pretty V/LA banner is gone. Thanks!

[Tierce]

Gah. I need an hydra buddy or something. I feel like so much of this game is going WOOOOOSH over my head and that I don't know how to play alone anymore. I want to gripe about situations and get someone who reads the parts I skim and the possibility of bouncing ideas back and forth and I just can't.

Mostly this, plus a couple mentions of people you don't think you can read/can't read this early in the game. It's the only thing that stuck out in your ISO for me because the rest of it didn't match the quoted sentiment.

Oh, no. That's not about having trouble keeping up--it's about thinking that this game is rather difficult to sort out. I had a ridiculously high Want To Play With result in this playerlist, but the resulting problem is that I'm quite used to being in an hydra when the playerlist is this good. I've been hydraing quite a bit recently, and one thing I find happens is that, once you find yourself in a Town game outside an hydra, you feel very alone--and that's how I was feeling at that point. I still have to gather my thoughts somewhat (which I never much manage to do on D1), but having Empire

and

Vi both in the game and not being able to reach out to either of them over AIM is really freaking weird, as I have hydra'd with both of them in multiple occasions. If I want to bounce ideas with Empire, I have to do in-thread, and I can't just tab over to him on AIM and laugh at some situation in the game to break the tension. It's a weird feeling, and the loneliness is exacerbated by this game being filled with people I like but can't fully trust in the context of the game.

About people I don't read this early, it's a self-protection mechanism, really. I know I tend to have tunnel vision on Townreads, and that means I want to be pretty damn sure of my Townreads as I get them--and see no need to slot some people there at this point, as well as knowing that other people will not be lynched on D1. I'm being pragmatical about it, as I'm scatterbrained enough without adding the tinfoil hat.

[Tierce]

If people were calling him town for being anti-town as fuck, then maybe, but when he's being singled out as scum for this type of behavior I feel like he would do something to counteract it.

You are, and in NY160 he had the Regfan/Empire hydra calling him Town much because of that.

As for a chance to improve, I look at my own scum games as it on hindsight, but frankly, as they are ongoing, I just

hate everything

.

But etc. I'm not going to change your mind about him, and I don't think you'll change my read on him either, especially at this point. Sadly, I don't think we can or should muster the hordes for a Johhog lynch this late in the Day.

[Tierce]

Is it me, or he hasn't had a scum game at least since

March

? Requires more digging, please hold..

[Tierce]

I was just going through the game Nacho linked; that was a year and a half ago. If he's not been playing in alts and/or hydras and/or outside MS, I expect his scum game to be quite rusty, and so wouldn't be surprised if that made him scum in this game.

Game of the Year was quite a different concept, the mimes

wanted

to be lynched.

[Tierce]

CrashTextDummie (2) - N, Johhog

This is ridiculous.

[Tierce]

Ridiculous maybe, but how many scumbags do you know that forget to vote their own counterwagons when it means they'll probably be lynched?

I, for one. It's not a matter of forgetting, it's a matter that not doing so makes you look not-survivalistic and you really don't lose a lot by not voting your counterwagon. i.e. it is beneficial for scum not to vote their counterwagon in this kind of situation.


Empire, I know you are busy, but if you have a little time before the hammer, if you could shed some light on Vi, that'd be great.

[Tierce]

#BUKKIT

VOTE: OhGodMyLife

[Tierce]

While I think about what just happened, how is N's replacement not Very Town?

How is it Very Town?

[Tierce]

While I think about what just happened, how is N's replacement not Very Town?

How is it Very Town?

Either we're going to need to establish that N is a horrible person who is willing to flame you and then hatequit on a game, or etc.

Wouldn't be the first time I saw that happen on me, so...? He's active on the site, so yes, regardless of his alignment, he flamed and then hatequit. I'm taking the replacement as null.

Admittedly, since that vote, I am further discovering that my alcohol tolerance is even lower than expected, and I am getting to a point of silly happy rambling that has little to do with this game.

I can't really see CTD as a NK, though if it was an SK, that means the NK went ???. (The fact that it is missing might explain Mascot #1 and Mascot #7 being alive, but...?) Johhog does smell like Vig, so... look, I don't know, my brain right now is very much not in the game and I apparently blew it all on FARADAY GET THE GAME OPEN AGAIN OR THE BUKKIT WILL SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES. Which, while a good line, isn't impeccable scumhunting.

#VODKA

[Tierce]

Holy koi, my rambling is inane even to myself barely a minute after posting it. Tonight = vodka, tomorrow = maybe-game.

[Tierce]

Ugh. Look, the N -> CTD interaction doesn't look like scum/scum, but CTD was a traitor, so that doesn't really look like it would be an impediment to a scum/traitor partnership. No idea about CTD -> N, and I am not Ctrl + F'ing CTD for "N" while definitely-not-drunk. Stupid username. ._.

[Tierce]

Johhog also accused Empire of playing differently,

so maybe Empire's an effortscum

, which would also probably fit with a Konowascum. Guess I need to reread him.

He's not. Believe me you, Empire is playing every inch to his Town meta, and he's not very capable of keeping it up as scum. The closest thing I've seen him do to :effort: as scum is this post, and when you dissect it you see it's empty, unlike Empire's posts here. He's Town, otherwise he wouldn't give two shits about this game at all times of the day. His self-meta read is 100% accurate, and I will smack anyone who cries "but you know your meta, you can change it!" Yeah no, if it worked like that, Empire/Regfan/myself would be excellent scum players.

[Tierce]

Tierce, take a look at CTD's ISO starting at #522 -- first impression is that it's not bussing, especially given that he was a traitor, but I'm not great at reading bussing + CTD was known for making that wacky fakeclaim as scum so I wouldn't put it past him to do some high risk move like that.

Of note that:
1) In ADwD, Feysal-traitor knew all of the scumteam.
2) A traitor who is recruitable might actually try to draw the scumkill if that is the method of recruiting.

I'll think about this game whenever.

[Tierce]

Still alive.

And not drunk, I promise.

I'll brain about this game later.

[Tierce]

Am I hallucinating or did ces just respond to Vi a couple hours before he actually made that post? I think I need to go back to sleep.

Clear scumbuddies who messed up their staged play!
(The board was borked up for a while earlier today.)

[Tierce]

I've been spending this game being mostly useless, and it's not going to change now. We're flying back to the US tomorrow with an overnight layover, so I expect to be somewhat coherent again come the 15th.

@Faraday: Travel V/LA begins now.

[Tierce]

I'm still reading things but this one is a layup.

Vote: Benmage

Mostly an antiprod.

Why is no one else interested in a Benmage wagon?

Damn impressive wagon push you got there. Any opinions on the game?

[Tierce]

Now without colors!

Weak Townreads

Benmage
CES
Llamarble (maybe he's stronger though. I can't decide :/)
OGML- I think 832 is scummy though.
Shadoweh

Scum

Konowa- I'm pretty sure there's been talk of people finding him 'not town', so why not a wagon?
Vi- Actually finding someone scummy overrules town ~feelings~! Saying I'm scum is weird too
Wicked- The main thing that sticks out to me is 739. If you think someone is scum and that they're about to be lynched, then would you really be bothered as town to defend against their accusations? I think scum are much more likely to feel this need, and I'm thinking that town wouldn't seriously respond in such a way, and I guess the 'emotional' response doesn't seem genuine either considering the situation.

Explain these, please. What you gave for scumreads isn't much of an explanation. I actually have to go back and see what alignment Empire is calling you to see if I can just plod along and ignore you some more, but #YOLO #LAYOVER #SCREAMINGINFANTS, so please entertain me with explanations.

(In the Azorean islands. Hi from Middle of Nowhere, Atlantic Sea, Earth!)

[Tierce]

Stop being bitter, Sixkuya.

UNVOTE: OhGodMyLife
VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

There is a lot of snow in Minneapolis. Thankfully, it's all on the ground and it's beautifully sunny. Also, wheeeeeeee.

[Tierce]

Eep.

I'll try to get something (decent, for once) later tonight. Just came back from part one of caching. Damn, but the desert is hot

in the winter

.

[Tierce]

Sooo I fail at saying that I will get in this game and then (not) doing so. It won't happen today, but I will

definitely

try to get some stuff in with actual coherence before the Day is over. And yes, I don't like coasting either, but try and move your life over an ocean and a continent and then we'll talk. #YOLO

[Tierce]

Quick thing--Vi, what you said was uncharacteristic of Empire is actually quite in-character for him. Regarding Konowa, no, one-liners aren't anything new, and I hardly have a right to demand content from anyone, but

dayum

. Another person I want a lot more from is OhGodMyLife.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum
VOTE: Shadoweh

Those two wagons are bad. And no, this doesn't qualify as content, I just want to move my vote where it can lynch scum. Content will wait.

[Tierce]

#stillnotcontent: Vi, your rainbow pattern is broken. Though I do appreciate the red pick.

Vi and CES should both vote Shadoweh.

[Tierce]

Vi and CES should both vote Shadoweh.

Can you explain Shadowehscum please?
I was kind of figuring she'd die soon if town, what with the "if I were a vig I would shoot CTD without a claim" business.

Who wants to just lynch Benmage?

Shadoweh loves to coast as scum. She can sit on her votes as Town as well, but look at stuff like this:

I can't even be properly mad about Tierce because I think it's justifiable, I just can't get into this game.

Sigh, I'll continue staring at these posts until a read pops up I supose.

cross off vi ces nacho empire tierce, if vi then cross off wicked, cross ogml's replacement. I'm going to ignore logic and propose the theory that CES and Vi are two active posters caught up in each other for being too loud and go from there.

It took her until less than 72 hours till end of D2 to start producing any semblance of content, and frankly I only think she's doing it because I'm voting her. Look at how many excuses she produced not to post content in ADwD (she was the main poster of the Pandora hydra), and look at her play here. When Shadoweh-Town can't get into the game, SHE WORKS ON IT. That's not what she's doing here, and even her language is of someone who cannot be bothered. She is calling CES and Vi Town, not bothering much about the wagons on them, and has no reasoning to present for it. Look at how passive all of Post 1001 is, for a player who usually has no issues being confrontational--and with this playerlist, of all things? If this doesn't smell fishy I don't know what does. Look at Post 1002. That's not even being confrontational, that's babbling nonsense that has

absolutely no conclusion

. She's coasting, fencesitting scum.


Vi, my main question regarding your claim is: why didn't you read Johhog last Night?

[Tierce]

hehehe
I don't mean to be pretentious Shadoweh, though I certainly admit I think highly of myself.
Your reaction to your wagon isn't actually awful, though in your position if I didn't want a CES lynch I would make another one happen.

Benmage sure is the guy everybody wants to lynch but nobody is voting.

I WAS VOTING HIM. THIS RESULTED IN AN INSTANT WAGON ON ME FOLLOWED BY NO VOTES ON BENMAGE. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?!

If you think your wagon comes mostly from your Benmage vote, you should probably have another thought coming.

I've been non-survivalistic as either alignment, but I believe I've only gone #WELP #VOTECOUNTERWAGON #YOLO as scum. Mind explaining the thought process of voting an unclaimed Townread this close to deadline?

[Tierce]

Hey Tierce. Wanna vote Benmage?

Shadoweh is far more entertaining, even though I

would

like to keep that avatar in the game.

[Tierce]

Perhaps. What's your take on the CESta wagon?

I think therefore I nap

I'm prety bad at analyzing wagons without a flip, and tbqh I haven't even read anything that places votes on people and explains them if the person doing it isn't called Empire or Vi or a few others. The only thing I know offhand is that Shadoweh's jump on it was bad; I do know Town players who vote their counterwagons, but I'd definitely expect something more developed out of a VT with her play skill, this close to deadline.

[Tierce]

Hells to the N.

[Tierce]

Let's have fun, shall we?

UNVOTE: Shadoweh
VOTE: Benmage

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Benmage (still pretty interested in this)
VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Tierce]

@Tierce, why?

Why what?

[Tierce]

fuckin konowa making my slot look bad

don't worry town brethren, we can make it through this

How about less motivational speech crap and more actual content? I'd like to move back to Benmage, so make it worth my while.

[Tierce]

@Tierce, a bullet of why I'm scum please..

Sure.

• :whimsy:

[Tierce]

Ain't moving.

[Tierce]

Because I'd totally have killed Vi over Empire and vice-versa, Tammy. Don't be silly.

Heading home after spending the day caching, will need sleep before anything, but I'll have all of tomorrow night for catch up while the other half is at work.

[Tierce]

Empire, don't know how your life is going, but it would be just dandy if you could be available in thread from midnight Eastern time on the 25th onward (tomorrow night). We could brainstorm as I read through the game.

[Tierce]

If I have to fight activity based paranoia after Mini 1333, War is Hell and goodness knows however many more Town games, I'll cry. Tammy, in the last 25 days, I got myself to Paris and back, got a visa, spent time in Lisbon with my fiance, moved to the US with him and all my belongings, celebrated his birthday, spent time with the family and married him. You have your waffles, I'll decide where my priorities lie when spending not-stress-the-hell-out time. This is the first day in many that I'm not freaking out over government stuff, because we have to wait on a letter to proceed and things are out of my hands. Today was me finally *relaxing*, and I'll be damned if your paranoia goes into orange mode when I have actually, finally managed to make time for this game because the other half works tomorrow night and I will have time alone to focus.

/phone rant

[Tierce]

See, I'd just prefer to accept that Tierce, Empire, and Tammy are all town. That shrinks the lynch pool to a much more manageable level... and you know that would be awesome.

We are, and really obviously so at that, and that's why I'm pissed off at her pancakes and waffles and sillynoia.

[Tierce]

Tierce how can you be so sure right now that Town is being led in the right direction when it's gone face first into nowhere while led by the Townest?

I didn't say anything about Town going in the right direction. And I pretty much loathe everything about Post 1232, by the by.

[Tierce]

...Did I even ever sit down and discuss things with Empire yet, Shadoweh? If he's not obvTown to you, feel free to show

why

, because frankly, to me Empire is the Towniest person in the game right now, and as I said before, yes, I want to work with him, especially since I have a lot to catch up and review at the moment, and I'd like to know whether we are on the same page.

Your post is bad for other reasons, namely how superficial the nitpicking is. Empire

is

lurkerish as scum, but so am I, and yet he has every right and a lot of evidence given in previous months that he WOULD be busy during this time. Going "oh you just posted X times in a game as scum" like it means anything is completely empty with no analysis of the reasons behind the inactivity in Town/scum games, and the reply to Tammy didn't please me at a tonal level.


Post 1236 from Zach is excellent regardless of Shadoweh's alignment.

[Tierce]

I have plenty of whimsy about Benmage and plenty of whimsy toward you. What's your rush, Miss OMG The Pseudo Town Core Is Rushing Us To A Loss?

[Tierce]

The concept of "tomorrow" seems a bit hard to grasp.

[Tierce]

Tierce, wanna talk about Benmage? Where is your suspicion of him coming from and have you ever played with scum-Benmage before?

My Benmage suspicion actually has nothing to do with me, and no. Would rather safe musings on this one for a later day.

[Tierce]

EBWOP:

Would rather

save

musings on this one for a later day.

[Tierce]

OGML, you have given no reasoning for a Benmage wagon other than a throwaway comment in Post 1141. Why the surprise when people keep asking that question, when you are clearly capable of much more than what you have put out so far?

[Tierce]

Next question: OGML, how would you define your scum play?

[Tierce]

OGML, you have given no reasoning for a Benmage wagon other than a throwaway comment in Post 1141. Why the surprise when people keep asking that question, when you are clearly capable of much more than what you have put out so far?

Reasons to suspect Benmage should be self evident. You express suspicion of him yourself. It just feels like people keep tossing this throwaway question at me as an excuse to ignore Ben themselves.

Okay, cards on the table.

I have no freaking idea why you suspect Benmage. I voted him because you were voting him, and at the point I went to look back at your vote it looked like you had

something

on him. By "something", I mean "investigation result".

However, it's no secret that Faraday was interested either in White Flag or a relatively simple Normal. I have no reason to think we are stacked with Town power in this game, and when we have had a 2-shot vanilla cop flip, an extra kill, a roleblocker and a tracker flip, I can no longer think, when I'm actually putting my brain on the game (which I wasn't last Day's end), that you have anything like actual evidence on Benmage. Conclusion: you seem to be full of crap, because "self-evident reasons" never pushed wagons. People are not ignoring Benmage at all, people are trying to get you to explain Benmage to see if they would have interest in voting him, and yet you keep refusing to give a straight answer.


Obviously, Yesterday I had no reason to explain why I thought Benmage might be a good wagon (that you might have a result), because keeping you hidden might yield another result from last Night. Yet you keep going on in the same vein with no further content, and the flips so far indicate you are very unlikely to be an investigative PR, so I have no issue with voicing my mind (since you have spoken after my last response to Empire). You seem completely disinterested in why I suspected Benmage.

Then we have the fact that I know your Town play is far more capable than what you have shown so far. That's why I asked about your scum play; until recently, I thought there was no scum motivation in your play, because frankly you are not putting in any inkling of an effort, and coming in like that to a slot already suspected seems suicidal as scum and was more likely to be Town not giving a damn because they have a PR to back their play--that is, you were trying to look just scummy enough that scum wouldn't be interested in offing you. Your Town play certainly seems smart enough to pull a move like that in the sense of some self-preservation.

However, you then go and say this:

Next question: OGML, how would you define your scum play?

Completely godawful.

And CES agrees with you:

That does seem like an accurate assessment.

In short, I have to go meta you, because the little protective castle I wanted to build around your slot has completely blown away and I want to lynch the hell out of you for greater :justice: and Town wins. You have no excuse to be playing like shit if you are Town, because you don't have crap in terms of useful PR work to present, and you are telling me that your play so far seems to fit in very nicely with your scum play.


Empire?

[Tierce]

Who did Zach replace again? Right Wjr. Oh he's confirmed vanilla. Still seems scummy though.

The specifics of the result also confirm him as town.

How do you know that Vi's role was the same as the vanilla cop in Zach's game? As far as I know, that is not Faraday's view on vanilla cops.

[Tierce]

Never mind that last post, CES. I've reread Post 962.

[Tierce]

One of the issues with OGML is that his games are mostly pretty old. I'd say the most relevant ones are from Micro 53 to American Revolution as Town, and Playground Mafia as scum.

Town games: Micro 53 (this was the game I had as a base for "OGML is far better than this", which I remembered from months ago because I had discussed it with Empire), Author Mafia, American Revolution Mafia, Open 411, Mini 1141, American Gods Mafia

(don't hurt me, Faraday)

Scum games: Playground Mafia

Everything older than this is meta that is 2+ years old. A quick skim of the games above really doesn't incline me to do anything but vote OGML. :/ He was somewhat better in Playground Mafia, but there was still that rapid, pointless tunneling with little to no explanation, which he gives without any trouble in Town games.


Empire, if you could go through those a bit today/tomorrow/whenever, that'd be great. I know you suspect OGML, but I was trying to ignore that read because of what I posted above (and wanted to swat you when you kept pushing him), but yeah, there's no way this is investigative PR play, especially since the moment a Goon flips we know Zach MUST be Town.

[Tierce]

This page is pretty. Let me look at this page later tonight and let's see what I come up with.

[Tierce]

Spending the night out, Empire. We'll talk later.

[Tierce]

>.>
<.<

Well, at least the other game is over now. Empire, any new thoughts on CES from it?

Will DEFINITELY try posting tonight, as I've done most of my share of organizing life stuff and the other half won't be around so no distractions other than those I make for myself.

[Tierce]

What other game are you referring to?

This one.

[Tierce]

Definitely 1 scum here:
Tammy
Tierce
Empire

You're cute. No, sorry, being obvTown doesn't make any of us scum, and unless Empire or Tammy's scum game skyrocketed since last I saw it, they are as Town as they come. As for me, pick

any

scum game of mine and just compare. It's really sad how bad they are, but etc. I'd be whimpering in a corner with a playerlist like this if I had drawn scum, not trying to engage Empire (admittedly, I haven't done much to engage others, but also admittedly, he's the player I definitely know

could

read me if I had drawn scum, so it would be several levels of suicidal to keep doing it).

I still have to read that page I said I would, and I have to go through OGML. Oh look, a distraction wheee.

[Tierce]

Bleh. I don't like Benmage's pools at all. OGML as Town--why? And Nacho had a really lovely tidy-up work on D1 that makes a lot more sense from Town than from scum. I'm more inclined to Deas-scum than Llamarble scum, but then I look at this thing and realize that I'm getting the weaker players in the scum list and it can't be that simple.

[Tierce]

OGML- Misguided horrible town. He actually believes his inane "case" on me... that's why town.

I've seen scum do it. It can be a desperate refuge in audacity. Picking the drowned fox up there, he did that with me several months ago. I still have to go through OGML stuff, but I don't think "belief" in a case is as strong a Towntell as you are painting it. They do have to fake conviction--and it's harder to fake waffly paranoia than conviction.

[Tierce]

And Nacho had a really lovely tidy-up work on D1 that makes a lot more sense from Town than from scum.

I was agreeing with this until DV pointed out this post from Always On. Thoughts on this?

Also, have you ever played with scum-Benmage? What's your current read on Shadoweh?

I have never played with Benmage as scum. As for Nacho, I have no illusions that scum-Nacho would know that he is up against a decent playerlist and would play accordingly. But did his posts in Always On lead to that post, or was it a standalone thing? Because in this game, his reads post was apparently the result of prolonged analysis, and so can't be compared to Always On unless Always On has a similar situation progression. Can you check that?

I'm wavering on Shadoweh. Her posts seem natural, but she has no trouble posting naturally as scum either, so :hitoshrug:.

[Tierce]

Goddammit, it's Always On, which means we don't have all the data anyway. ._. But still, can you check if there is a natural progression in his writing, Empire?

[Tierce]

I'm sorry I don't know what you mean by the progression thing, but I did talk with him outside the game and I remember him seeming really natural and pro-town at the time. The thing is that he's less town here, but I don't think he's done anything here that he hasn't done as scum there/anywhere else, so I'd disagree with a townread on him for that, and there's just not much that I find likely to be coming from town-him as opposed to scum-him.

Thanks for the contribution--I was asking Empire, though.

[Tierce]

How about TET folks offer an opinion on
1. It is very likely that at least one of CES / Shadoweh is scum.
2. Which one they think is more likely.

I think my answer is obvious, but hey, why not. Not like I'm doing much anyway, so let's trust Tammy knows what she's doing.

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

[Tierce]

Could also be persuaded to vote Nacho.

Benmage would fit as a partner given OGML's genuine disgust.

Explain this?

[Tierce]

Even though Tammy has said she doesn't know what she's doing? >_>

I throw my hands up in the air sometimes
saying hey-o--gotta let go~

[Tierce]

Benmage would fit as a partner given OGML's genuine disgust.

Explain this?

[Tierce]

Benmage would fit as a partner given OGML's genuine disgust.

Explain this?

benmage is a great scum player and instead of doing anything, is lurking the days away
OGML is frustrated as a result

I wasn't asking you.

CES?

[Tierce]

I'm prodding your chat along because I got bored of mine and have no idea where you're going with this.

Then stop interfering? How can you expect there to be anything from this if you are answering in CES's place? Hush now and go make your own chat less quote-stripey boring.

[Tierce]

Or we could actually scumhunt and lynch OGML?

Why no comment on Empire's meta analysis of OGML?

[Tierce]

You know what's bothering me, CES?

Tammy and Empire are going at each other for participation and paranoia and, while you have voiced your scumteam picks, I find it rather odd that you have yet to intervene in that. If feels like you are far too happy about them doing it because you are at L-1, Tammy had been voting you, and you have yet to claim at less than 72 hours to deadline. It's quite the convenient situation for CES-scum.


By the way, Empire, Tammy: stop it, you two, this is probably one of the Towniest games I've seen from both of you and you have both been ridiculously busy; lower activity and participation is understandable. Yeah, you want each other to participate more, but just SAY SO instead of going on walls about it. You're either Town or GODMODE SCUM, and I don't think you're in any RL state to become GODMODE SCUM at this point. So give this game what time you

do

have and stop bickering.

[Tierce]

Yeah, I would.

UNVOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum
VOTE: Nachomamma8

[Tierce]

Hey guys. Guys. (Part 2) 21 hours. Can has dead Nacho, please and thank you? The Deas thing was really really bad and below Nachotown.

[Tierce]

Tierce your thoughts on DV's reaction?

It was worlds better than anything Nacho put out.

I got something else from the latest posts, too. Even if we see a Mafia Vanilla flip, I don't ever want to lynch Zach. His game is miles away from his posts as sottyrulez (though it was actually just him playing solo) in Paranoia.

CES is probably Town, though, Zach.

[Tierce]

...Now that you two are done, can we get those votes on Nacho?

[Tierce]

Yet another fantastic reprimand destroyed by a new page.
Hey Faraday, can I mod your game and do VC stuff and whatnot? You're Enjoyable, I'm Smooth, I'm sure we can make it work~

Taaaaammmmy. Empire was drunk and he hasn't been having a good time IRL. Yeah, you thought it was a scummy post, you've talked about it at length, at this point it's just you two ranting at each other. Save it for Cerulean games?

[Tierce]

Empire: before you consider anything else with CES, think back to Sherlock and how he behaved with his wagon + claim. He's Town, he wouldn't have an issue claiming

anything

as scum, but as Town he knows that a claim is unlikely to get him out of a noose so he's not bothering. Vote Nacho.

[Tierce]

There isn't. But scum-CES wouldn't have an issue claiming vanilla. Town-CES doesn't really bother because #YOLO.

[Tierce]

I've seen him not claim as VT and only do so after lynch (Sherlock Mafia), and I've seen him saying (admittedly as scum, but I don't have a reason to disbelieve him there) that he wouldn't have an issue fake-claiming "Bulletproof to Mafia" in a Large Normal (New Age Mafia II), while saying that he believes he is rather conservative with his fake-claiming (which means that he didn't think it was an outlandish fakeclaim). I've also seen him, as a Doctor in a Newbie game (Newbie 1236), claim outright to tell the jailer to stop jailing him so he could successfully protect him.

CES is pragmatical. If he had something to benefit from claiming, he would be claiming. He knows not doing so will attract votes, which is far more prejudicial to CES-scum than CES-Town.


PEdit: Which "role being in the setup", Tammy? The tracker? Link, please?

[Tierce]

Never mind then.

The situations aren't really comparable. The fact is that he has had two claim dodges by now (Yesterday v. Vi and Today); the most that can be compared was his reaction to Vi's claim and the fact that it was identical to the role in Zach's game, but I could see myself having a similar reaction if I had been familiar with both games. I can't help but think he would have done something more useful for scum at this point than just sit there, which is much more likely to come from CES-Town in games where the playerlist isn't sheeping his wagon options.

[Tierce]

Empire: before you consider anything else with CES, think back to Sherlock and how he behaved with his wagon + claim. He's Town, he wouldn't have an issue claiming

anything

as scum, but as Town he knows that a claim is unlikely to get him out of a noose so he's not bothering. Vote Nacho.

Uhh are you sure this is true? I kinda feel like CES would rely more on his rhetoric than a claim to save himself from a lynch regardless of his alignment really (it kind of sucks that I don't think I've ever seen CES wagoned like this when he was scum so I can't say for sure -- the most I have is that Westeros game Tammy is referring to with the tracker guilty).

I'm fairly sure he relies on rhetoric as either alignment, but the most he has done here is dodge the claim necessity (which he did Yesterday) and blatantly not claim when DV threatened to hammer and he was online Today. Not much pragmatism for scum CES in that line of thought, is there?


Oh, oh, something else:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?k ... mit=Search

Please hammer Nacho. This game has clearly lost its importance to him a few hours before deadline with him on the lynchrow.

[Tierce]

...

Never mind, that was April 5, not April 6.

[Tierce]

I'll be around.

Empire, I've seen CES tunnel as Town quite a bit. Remember d3x? I also see him do the same in Chrono Trigger Resurrection and Newbie 1236, for example. It's a matter of not getting his lynch and yet keeping at it doggedly; do you really think CES-scum would push on as lousy a target as OGML?

But YOLO. I already facepalmed my way at the penguin_alien lynch, I won't be too sad if CES dies Today either.

[Tierce]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have better things to do than defend CES and will hammer if needed, etc. But I'd prefer that Nacholynch.

[Tierce]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How do you do that shrug?

Hunt down an hitogoroshi game or someone who uses it and ctrl+c. Alternatively, hunt down hito himself.

[Tierce]

I may have done a ridiculously happy dance at seeing Nacho's scum flip, especially having it

right at the top of the page

. Then I moped because Empire was out and anyway I wouldn't be able to go WOOOOOO at him on AIM.

So this is your WOOOOOO, Empire.


I'd say Deas is Town. Empire and Tammy are definitely Town. That leaves Benmage, CES, Llama, OGML and Shadoweh. Have to think about this game. >.>

[Tierce]

Also also, pet theory: Nacho was more motivated this game than in Zach's F11 Micro (where he basically seemed demoralized that he had drawn scum) because he had competent scum partners on his team.

Seems more like someone was badgering him to produce content, which provoked that mighty D1 reads post. Still, that does point toward at least one competent partner that was pushing him toward being more active and participatory. Admittedly, that's pretty much everyone alive as scum except OGML, you, me (and DeasVail to some extent because I don't think it'd be Deas's type to push a partner so, but I might be wrong), so :hitoshrug:.

[Tierce]

Shadoweh: Can you provide me with games, as scum and as Town, where you had this kind of reaction to not being in a scum lynch? Because it seems rather excessive and you have been

not

in scum lynches before, up to and including defending scum. Why the sudden "woe is me"?

In other news, Faraday's new teeth are rather creepy.

[Tierce]

Seems more like someone was badgering him to produce content, which provoked that mighty D1 reads post. Still, that does point toward at least one competent partner that was pushing him toward being more active and participatory. Admittedly, that's pretty much everyone alive as scum except OGML, you, me (and DeasVail to some extent because I don't think it'd be Deas's type to push a partner so, but I might be wrong), so :hitoshrug:.

I think the motivation came from within because he made that kind of post in Always On as a traitor (e.g., with no prompting from his scum buddies despite his somewhat low activity that game prior to that post). Could easily see that happening if he has someone who plays a strong scum game on his team.

That's a good point. (And Nacho is competent enough himself and willing enough to play scum that he

needs

no prodding like that.) Might not be so much a competent scumbuddy(ies) but the fact that he has a hell of a playerlist to beat? I mean, yes, there were several very good players in Zachyard as well, and he was saddled with a less-than-optimal scumbuddy, but this game seems to take more work for scum than an F11 setup.

[Tierce]

@OGML:

What made you feel uncomfortable about Llamarble last Day phase and what is your current opinion of him?

I was uncomfortable with his constant "we're the best townies towninating town towners ever!" refrain that he kept hitting over and over again. My current opinion is that he's town. I don't think the marble-nacho kerfluffle that dragged on forever and a day was scum on scum.

Why was Llamarble's refrain making you uncomfortable when Empire, Tammy and I keep reaffirming we are all Town? What is it about Llamarble that doesn't apply to the other three?

[Tierce]

@OGML:

What made you feel uncomfortable about Llamarble last Day phase and what is your current opinion of him?

I was uncomfortable with his constant "we're the best townies towninating town towners ever!" refrain that he kept hitting over and over again. My current opinion is that he's town. I don't think the marble-nacho kerfluffle that dragged on forever and a day was scum on scum.

Why was Llamarble's refrain making you uncomfortable when Empire, Tammy and I keep reaffirming we are all Town? What is it about Llamarble that doesn't apply to the other three?

You three have been doing it (as far as I can tell) for most of the game, and most everybody else has been on the "well if you all say so let's go ahead and say so" train. Marble looked like he wanted to piggyback his way into the town club by heaping oodles of praise on how awesome y'all + him are. But like I said, not much chance he's scum with nacho, so he can go ahead and toot his and anyone else's horn he likes now, I'll let it slide.

He was pretty much voicing what anyone would say/think/acting like they think so as either alignment, no? Whatever alignment you are, you are not about to suggest that obvTown or YOURSELF be lynched, so you eliminate four targets from the lynch pool if you are not part of the {Empire, Tammy, Tierce} group. It is's "piggybacking his way into the Town club" if he's being practical and not adding himself to the lynch pool. That's like saying people who add themselves to a Town list on a reads' list are scum.

Either way, I think this is mostly theory disagreement, and you don't think he's scum, so.

[Tierce]

Tue 9 Apr 2013 22:04:45

Mine wasn't such a difficult question for you not to give it a quick answer when you logged in, at least to justify your reaction somehow and/or address Tammy.

VOTE: Shadoweh


CES is probably V/LA throughout the UK meet. Those votes on him are pretty useless at the moment.

[Tierce]

I'd say Deas is Town. Empire and Tammy are definitely Town.

That leaves Benmage

, CES, Llama, OGML and Shadoweh. Have to think about this game. >.>

Benmage..... The only one to lynch scum thus far.

Okkkkayyyyy

Excuse me?

Yes, you were in the Nacho wagon. So were five other people. What was more, I was going off the interactions at the end of Yesterday for Deas and the really blatant obvTownness that Empire and Tammy have. Got a problem with that?

[Tierce]

Hey Shadoweh.

What about the fact that you-Town considers people who don't read the game during Night lazy and it is something you feel rather strongly about?

How about the fact that you didn't read the Nacho/Deas interaction

until now

? I understand not having read it before the lynch if you weren't around (unlikely that you were gone

altogether

, but I'll give you the benefit of a doubt), but

over two full days

to read what was frankly a visible scum meltdown? If nothing else, it was entertaining, so why didn't you even read it? Over two days feeling depressed that you had defended scum? COme on, how long have you been playing mafia?

What's worse: I'm going to toot my own horn here, but iirc you like reading my posts. My follow-up to my vote on Nacho specifically mentions the Deas/Nacho interaction.

And you hadn't read it.

Lazy, lazy scum. Tammy is right.


(And no, Benmage, I am not using a "pressure vote". I'm being practical when I say CES won't be lynched during V/LA.)

[Tierce]

(And no, Benmage, I am not using a "pressure vote". I'm being practical when I say CES won't be lynched during V/LA.)

Who is your ideal lynch/flip for today?

Shadoweh. You wouldn't be able to guess, I know!

[Tierce]

You're going to be hanging a while. Not tonight.

[Tierce]

My home internet is down, will deal with this game when possible.

[Tierce]

>.>

Post tonight.