/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why would he want to stay out of the limelight?

[CrashTextDummie]

N has failed to contribute anything of worth to the proceedings for the majority of the day (up until his wagon started). He did voice weak support for the Llamarble wagon or a Johhog wagon, but he did not do so with his vote, electing instead to sit pretty on a useless Nachovote. He refused to take a stance on the penguin wagon.

Why does any of this make him scum?

I shouldn't need to explain to you why his stance on these wagons was scummy, this is a fairly standard scum ploy. It keeps his hands clean and his options open irregardless of what the player in question eventually flips. As for his lack of contribution, it's anti-town in itself in that it doesn't help the town and only serves to make himself hard to read. What do you make of the fact that he seemingly changed up his playstyle in this game for purely survivalistic reasons? He claims that his lack of actions are designed to keep him from getting lynched, which serves a scum-agenda a lot more than it does a town-agenda.

There was actually a decided spike in activity from him ever since he has come under attack, he seemed to have cared quite a lot about this "bullshit case". His contributions continue to be shallow though. There is no evidence that his vote on me is anything but OMGUS, and the same goes for the rest of his suspicions (sans Nacho).

Of course there was a spike in activity from him when people started giving him more things to respond to; that doesn't mean he gives a shit about the wagon on him. There is no evidence that his vote on you is anything but OMGUS, but that doesn't matter as far as his alignment is concerned. Why do you think he sprung for you instead of the penguin wagon? Do you think he's afraid to bus?

Of course it matters as far as his alignment is concerned. He has zero legitimate suspects on page 22 of D1. Zero. He is not scumhunting. As for your questions, I'd be surprised at this point if penguin-alien flipped scum.

He has refused to answer more than one direct request for reads he claims to have.

Why do this as scum?

Better question: why do this as town? I hate this line of defense because a)this isn't a game of mind reading and scum can and will do anything for all kinds of reasons and b) the fact in itself that people take this line of thinking seriously can motivate scum (in)actions. Lack of town motivation is a much better gauge of alignment than lack of scum motivation.

You are clearly paying a lot of attention.

Why do you treat Shadoweh like she's misguided town in that quote?

I am not. I was indicating that we were done talking to each other and gave my reasons why.

Why aren't you voting her?

Again, you are clearly paying a lot of attention.

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a useless Nachovote

scumbuddies

What did you accomplish with your Nacho vote? What use did it serve? This is not a defense.

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I could get behind a CTD lynch though. I think he's pretty clearly trying to stay out of the limelight by asking pseudo-scumhunting questions, that hardly can be used to actually lure out the scum.

Please give concrete examples of me asking pseudo-scumhunting questions. The accusation that I'm "clearly trying to stay out of the limelight" is patently ridiculous because I've clearly been very pro-active in trying to get wagons going and have been very vocal with my suspicions.

If this is going to be another one of these games where everyone I've attacked over the day starts to pile their votes on me as we approach deadline and the rest of the town goes along with it because they don't know fuck else to do, I'm going to rage.

[Benmage]

Hey Benvolio, what's your take on pengualien?

Town.

[Benmage]

Actually I'm amused by how well the Scum According To Empire corresponds to the activity overview. N might actually be Town, and then we'd be left with the four top lurkers as the four scum.

...it would be funny, anyway. (>")>

The list you said was good. Minus yourself, why are you solely lurker hunting?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Even Vi is staying off the CTDwagon; that's how anti-town it is.

[Vi]

You're really going to pretend there are 4 scum, Vi?

...


Sure!

Hey Benvolio, what's your take on pengualien?

Town.

Why.

The list you said was good. Minus yourself, why are you solely lurker hunting?

I'm a geocacher; I hunt lurking things all the time with various degrees of success.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

You're really going to pretend there are 4 scum, Vi?

...


Sure!

*gasp* Smiley tell! I must I appreciate this performance.

[Tierce]

Vi is not being fluffy enough. Benvolio is a terrible pick for Benmage. Plus, that means he survives, and

yuck

.

I was about to ask a cool question, then the votecount turned it into a boring question. So you get another boringish question as I ignore Messieurs Quote Stripes CrashTextMamma8. Tammy, the hot date with Big Blue should be over by now--thoughts on the wagons?

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 23

penguin_alien (3) - Deasvail, Konowa, Shadoweh
Johhog (1) -Tammy

N (5) - Tierce, Vi, CrashTextDummie, Empire, penguin_alien

Vi (2) - Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum

CrashTextDummie (5) - WickedestJr, N, Nachomamma8, Llamarble, Johhog

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

• With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 5th of March at 00:38am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-04 20:30:28)
  
• Tierce is V/la

[Vi]

Vi is not being fluffy enough. Benvolio is a terrible pick for Benmage. Plus, that means he survives, and

yuck

.

Well I've had Banmage on my mind for a while now, but that more describes me, so I had to find a backup.

[Vi]

Vi is not being fluffy enough. Benvolio is a terrible pick for Benmage. Plus, that means he survives, and

yuck

.

Well I've had Banmage on my mind for a while now, but that more describes me, so I had to find a backup.

Also Shakespeare connection given Battle Mafia. Credit please?

[Tierce]

N

(5) - Tierce, Vi,

CrashTextDummie

, Empire, penguin_alien
Vi (2) -

Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum

CrashTextDummie

(5) - WickedestJr,

N

, Nachomamma8, Llamarble, Johhog

Messieurs

, I have an excuse to be boring, it is called City Of Lights And Freaking Windchill. I repeat, your vanity wagon is as dull as they come. At least add some flair to it. :whimsy:, mayhaps?

But this

is just silly. Be more entertaining.


PEdit: Benedick would have been more appropriate. I am still disappointed in you.

[Vi]

PEdit: Benedick would have been more appropriate. I am still disappointed in you.

I am overwhelmingly impressed with your ability to out:whimsy: me with this four-layer reference.

With that said, you counterfail.

Credit please?

The correct response is "Child, please".

[Tierce]

Exit, pursued by a bear.

I would say I didn't write 5Six-ty, but etc. Apparently had the wrong

alt

brain-half logged in at the time.

And this is how we brainstorm successfully. One day our hydra discussions

would

have to come to light.

The Vi wagon is meh. I think it looks like normal Vi. I prefer this one.

VOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum

Playing very differently from Team Mafia, where he was town.

If all the people bolded could do something productive with their lives it would be most appreciated.

That's exactly what I'm doing, staying out of this thread.

Wickedestjr is sooo town it burns. I could get behind a CTD lynch though. I think he's pretty clearly trying to stay out of the limelight by asking pseudo-scumhunting questions, that hardly can be used to actually lure out the scum.

UNVOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum
VOTE: CrashTextDummie

What do you think of this and of what is not here?

[Vi]

(Yes, that actually is how the vast majority of our hydra conversations go.)

Well there is the overjustification and the fact that I've probably posted more content myself over the course of the thread, but he's picking some awfully strange targets to antagonize. (CES, Empire - both with no wagons at the time)

I'm amused that that first sentence in the second quote came from the same person who said this, Tierce.

Uh, your problem? That is my personal policy. I play this game for fun. And lurking being rewarding detracts a lot of the fun. I think you should be rewarded for playing.

Given that Johhog's activity and interest looks different from that other game, etc.

[Tierce]

There is also something else glaringly missing from Johhog's posts. A French pastry to anyone who can spot it (or lack thereof).

[Nachomamma8]

I think Johhog is town because he doesn't seem to care about how he is perceived. The ignorance of valid questions is annoying but doesn't seem like a scumtell for him in this case- I think he would answer the questions as scum. I also think his response to Tierce when she unvoted DV looked genuine.

I have no idea how you see Johhog as "doesn't care how he's perceived". He seems to absolutely love that you called him town, though.

Llamarble looks like town because of his reads and justification for those reads. He pointed out things which I had also used to read some other players. I didn't necessarily agree with everything he's said, but I don't get the impression that he's 'faking' anything. E.g. his early scumread on CTD- the point regarding the link didn't make sense to me, but I have a hard time imagining him coming up with it as mafia.

Do you have any reasoning that isn't gut?

If all the people bolded could do something productive with their lives it would be most appreciated.

That's exactly what I'm doing, staying out of this thread.

Wickedestjr is sooo town it burns. I could get behind a CTD lynch though. I think he's pretty clearly trying to stay out of the limelight by asking pseudo-scumhunting questions, that hardly can be used to actually lure out the scum.

UNVOTE: Cogito Ergo Sum
VOTE: CrashTextDummie

this hop doesn't make my wagon feel as good as I want it to.
do you normally bus as scum, Johhog?

What do you make of the fact that he seemingly changed up his playstyle in this game for purely survivalistic reasons? He claims that his lack of actions are designed to keep him from getting lynched, which serves a scum-agenda a lot more than it does a town-agenda.

I think that it's an honest and townish way to frame the playstyle change. When Fate changed his playstyle for Team Mafia, he framed the change as something that was more like "I'm doing this because it will help people read me easier since this is a hard-mode game". N's change came about as more "I'm changing it up because people lynch me a lot and I don't want that to happen so easily here". Yeah, not getting lynched has more benefit to scum than town, but it still has a pretty good benefit to town as well.

Of course it matters as far as his alignment is concerned. He has zero legitimate suspects on page 22 of D1. Zero. He is not scumhunting. As for your questions, I'd be surprised at this point if penguin-alien flipped scum.

You seem like a pretty legitimate suspect for him. Who are Vi's legitimate suspects on Page 22 of D1?

[Nachomamma8]

Vi is not being fluffy enough. Benvolio is a terrible pick for Benmage. Plus, that means he survives, and

yuck

.

I was about to ask a cool question, then the votecount turned it into a boring question. So you get another boringish question as I ignore Messieurs Quote Stripes CrashTextMamma8. Tammy, the hot date with Big Blue should be over by now--thoughts on the wagons?

why do you ignore me?

[Tierce]

Vi is not being fluffy enough. Benvolio is a terrible pick for Benmage. Plus, that means he survives, and

yuck

.

I was about to ask a cool question, then the votecount turned it into a boring question. So you get another boringish question as I ignore Messieurs Quote Stripes CrashTextMamma8. Tammy, the hot date with Big Blue should be over by now--thoughts on the wagons?

why do you ignore me?

Because you're all NachoofIllusion and it's boring and I'm V/LA in Paris. Is there anything I should be looking at, abridged version? I thought you were pretty studiously ignoring my presence in the game and was having no trouble returning the favor, at least for Today.

[Empire]

Effort wall is going to have to wait 'til tomorrow morning. In the meantime:

Actually I'm amused by how well the Scum According To Empire corresponds to the activity overview. N might actually be Town, and then we'd be left with the four top lurkers as the four scum.

...it would be funny, anyway. (>")>

Yeah, that's why there's still a little bit of paranoia left, but I'm slowly gaining a bit of confidence here so it's all good.

I think that it's an honest and townish way to frame the playstyle change. When Fate changed his playstyle for Team Mafia, he framed the change as something that was more like "I'm doing this because it will help people read me easier since this is a hard-mode game". N's change came about as more "I'm changing it up because people lynch me a lot and I don't want that to happen so easily here". Yeah, not getting lynched has more benefit to scum than town, but it still has a pretty good benefit to town as well.

Ok, I know this isn't addressed at me but stuff like this is making me twitch to the point where I have to respond here. There are two obvious problems with this: 1) N's apparent is intended to obfuscate not clarify, so the Fate analogy makes no sense here, and 2) it makes zero sense to take up a playstyle change that, for pretty much any roster, is

more

likely to get you lynched, not less -- so that playstyle shift does not seem genuine to me at all and likely borne out of scum finding it hard to bullshit reads (seriously, just read posts like #531).

[Empire]

EBWOP (UGH):

1) N's apparent

playstyle shift

is intended to obfuscate not clarify, so the Fate analogy makes no sense here

[Tammy]

Tammy, the hot date with Big Blue should be over by now--thoughts on the wagons?

I had several dates today! The pool, my job, then my dissertation, which unfortunately is not about mafia so playing mafia doesn't ensure I can defend next month. Yes, I take every opportunity to complain about this monster.

So patience it's coming; I just got home.

Oh, shhh... don't tell mafia; he's the only one that thinks there's no other.

[Vi]

There is also something else glaringly missing from Johhog's posts. A French pastry to anyone who can spot it (or lack thereof).

I actually expect a pastry. /)

Does it involve pressing scum reads?

[N]

a useless Nachovote

scumbuddies

What did you accomplish with your Nacho vote? What use did it serve? This is not a defense.

I don't understand how that even looked like it was supposed to be a defense. I've noticed a couple of posts like this, and you either have really bad reading comprehension skills or you're trying to make it look like I'm doing something I'm clearly not doing.

[Faraday]

Primadonna girl, yeah.
All I ever wanted was the world
I can't help that I need it all
The primadonna life, the rise, the fall