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Well, he's not.
Unvote, Vote: evilpacman18
See? Totally not buddies.-
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I like being able to possibly figure out 1/2 of the scum after just one post.
EPM, pick a name: Parama or Guderian. Not in regards to anything in particular, just which one appeals most to you.-
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Very serious.Guderian wrote:
This is utter nonsense on so many levels.If EPM is scum, so is Guderian.
Are you serious? If so, you deserve to by lynched before page 3.
Vote DemonHybrid
Is mastin hydraing with anyone or not?
By the way, the town reaction is "oh, then I hope EPM is not scum then", not "WHAT HOW DARE YOU GOOD SIR VOTE, LYNCH FUCKING DIE!"
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I also like how that question was extremely rhetorical. I'm becoming more confident with the EPM vote by the second.-
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"Are you serious? If so, you should be lynched. *votes*"Guderian wrote: The question is not rhetorical.
Not rhetorical at all. Nope.
Not a bit.
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So, Guderian, did you spend like 6-10 minutes hanging out in the New York forum for your own health? Or did you not know what to say?-
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Thank you for your response, I was wondering what was going on with you hanging out and then leaving.
My EPM vote was not serious at the time. So, you're wrong about that. My confirmation that if EPM is scum, then you are IS serious and what I was talking about. So you're wrong.
I did not set up a chain of lynches, either. "If EPM is scum, then you are" only sets up your lynch if...well, EPM is scum. And you seem to be freaking out on the premise that I made that up. Which means you're soft defending EPM. Cool.
You can thank EPM for setting himself up as scum and then including you through a mind-fuck game. IF EPM is scum, then so are you. If he is not, I need to reread you, but you've contradicted something already, so I don't have high hopes for you, but we'll see.-
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First, you're blowing my mind. In a bad way.
What does the fact that there are two scum teams have to do with ANYTHING that we've said so far?
And my logic thus far is this:
EPM votes and unvotes Parama, then you, then me. That seems scummy to both Nacho and I (which, by the way, we have the EXACT same thought process. By pegging me as scummy and not him, that's either tunneling or bad scummy logic aimed toward me).
By doing something like that, ASSUMING EPM is scum, he would probably include one of his buddies. Sorry EPM, but you aren't the most experienced of players, so if you were scum, you'd probably do something like that.
At the time when I asked the question, EPM was already under some fire. So I asked him to pick a name that appealed to him. And he picked Parama, so I chose you as his buddy, ASSUMING that he is scum. The reasoning for this is since he's already under fire, he would want to distance himself subconsciously from his partner, so he picked Parama, assuming that I'd associate EPM with him.
So there's the reasoning for my "If EPM is scum, so is Guderian". Anything else?-
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Well then, I'm playing with the mindset that we have more players. I see this point and need to re-evaluate a thing or two.First, you're blowing my mind. In a bad way.
What does the fact that there are two scum teams have to do with ANYTHING that we've said so far?-
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1/4 of the total players in every game are scum (more or less, on average). This would correctly mean that there would be two teams of two scum.
It doesn't seem right that mini themes can have the same number though. UT's post has to do with our involvement in Skillville obviously, but maybe he's right about an SK and doesn't know it.
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V/LA until tonight/tomorrow. Fixing up a house.-
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I'm back. Parama is most assuredly town, even if he did sheep a little bit. He's making his own decisions. I need a little bit more info on UT until I can make a clear read on him.
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Wrong.Your question was so broken. What was the correct answer? I had three choices.
If I answere Parama, Guderian and I become scum.
If I answere Guderian, Parama and I become scum.
If I refused to answer, I become twice the scum. You can't reaction test properly if all my reactions will enforce your theory that I'm scum. Again, especially one that's based off of a single post.
If you answered Parama, Guderian is scumif you are scum.
If you answered Guderian, Parama is scumif you are scum.
And in actuality, if you had refused to answer, that would have looked more town than anything else. It answers the absurdity of the question without having to make up an excuse, like Nacho said you did and what I agree with. Guderian's soft defending of you is VERY weird in this case; he has nothing to fight against, especially since I didn't come right out and said "Guderian is scum."
I said "Guderian is scum if EPM is scum". So what does he have to worry about unless he has inside info? His reactions ARE scummy, especially when he's defending against something that he doesn't need to defend against.
is moot. It was a subconscious mind game.See but if I didn't add a reason, the outcome would've been the same (me and whoever I don't pick are scum) AND I would have been forced into saying why I picked the name when there wasn't even supposed to be a why in the first place:
I like Parama's suspicion of me and pegging Nacho as town. He's using his brain. But he's a very sharp scum player as well, so I have a slight eye on him, but I don't think we have much to worry about. Reads have not changed.
My list so far:
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Nacho
Parama
iamausername
I dunno
UT
ender
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tylerjarvis
Guderian (due to reactions)
EPM
Tyler is scummy because he has a lot of filler, but not any substance. So much info is already on the table and he tosses it aside to talk set-up. I'm not ruling him as concrete scum quite yet.-
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...If he's not obvtown, then he SHOULD be considered a scum suspect. Everyone should be suspected until considered obvtown. You're either town or you aren't.evilpacman18 wrote:
Not saying consider him a scum suspect. Saying don't consider him obvtown.Parama wrote:@EPM: Nothing Nacho has done is even remotely scummy. Why would I even consider him a scum suspect? Deflect more.-
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I don't think anyone is closed to the idea that he could be scum. He just has not done one single scummy thing so far this game.-
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Not a word about EPM. Not a word about Guderian. Not a word on my mindfuck game, Nacho's position, Guderian's soft defense of EPM, not of Parama, not of ender, not of ANYTHING. Not even of UT himself, just a vote on him due to his SK joke.
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Guderian is all over the place this game.
Yeah, not going to take your word for it. In this specific case, it means one of two things:---Its hardly omgus (yay buzzword whoever said this!). I would make this case on DH if he said that about anyone else.
1. It IS OMGUS, which means you're lying
2. You're soft defending EPM
Both are scummy and punishable by death by hanging. However, if EPM flips town, I would need to reread; I address this coming up.
This is basically saying the exact same thing Parama did, only without the thought process behind it and with more of the sheeping. Bad. By the way, you haven't said a word about what Nacho and iamausername have said about your case on me.--- With 2 scum teams, DH isn't particularly concerned with who is scum as long as he can implicate others in that persons fall. This reaffirms why I think youre scum. It may very well turn out that EPM is scum, but since it wont be from your faction, you dont mind who the next person you implicate and lynch is.
Actually, Nacho has been dead on about EPM's actions and the scum motivation behind them. Nacho and I didn't just "make up" EPM's scumminess; either you can't read that well or you are trying to bullshit your way out of an EPM lynch, which I have no clue why you would (seriously, why are you still defending him? What are you hiding?)--- And on the subject of EPM, youve set yourself up in such a way to try and lynch him and no matter what he flips implicate someone else (me in this case). You've stated that if he flips scum, I'm scum, and that if he flips town, well then i'm probably scum too.
If EPM were to flip scum, you would be my next vote. If he were to flip town, I would reread. This is a case of you putting words into my mouth and saying something that is completely fabricated,you absolute hypocrite.
Nacho made a good point, but I did not think he was scum until you--- DH, do you think pacman is scum just because of his opening three votes for people he had played with before?
yes you
started soft defending him like crazy at the notion that if he is scum, then you are. Please try to find an ounce of serious suspicionaimed towards evilpacmanbefore I said "my vote on EPM is getting stronger by the second" or something to that effect.
I have no clue what you're getting at here. He didn't suspect you at all, so what's the connection you're trying to make up now?--- Plus, if we want to be silly, he voted you too. Does that make you scum if he flips scum?
Desperate ally searching--- ok ender, got any thoughts. Is DH scummy, or am i crazy? What is EPM. Do you like parama?
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Here's a TL;DR or a response to a "what the fuck did you just say" post.
1. EPM votes Parama, you, ends with me
2. Nacho's like "Woah what, that's scummy. And you're ending with DH, so that's weird brah"
3. I go "Nope. Vote epm. See, not buddies."
4. Nacho says "Cool, DH is town"
5. I go "It'd be cool to peg one or two scum at this point, Nacho's on the right track methinks. Anyway, EPM, pick a card, and by card I mean dude"
6. EPM goes "Oh Parama cause totally name shorter and not distancing at all no siree bob
7. DH: "If EPM is scum, so is Guderian."
8. Nacho agrees
9. Guderian "WHAT THE FUCK?!
HOLD THE PHONE
THAT'S RIDICULOUS
u srs, bro?! If so, u die! U die now! *votes*"
10. DH goes "Wow, Guderian, you freaked out. Due to your reaction, I can confirm that Nacho's read was correct and EPM is scummy with you included, however, if he flips town, I'll need to check again so untwist yo panties."
So, EPM set himself up as scummy, but you cemented it. Let's make sure the picture is straight on the wall before you criticize it, ok?-
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nhammen is horribly misguided town. But it's okay, reading is fundamental.
Rhetorical questions dismiss scumhunting and instead favors a bullying attitude over finding information, so that's why it's a scumtell. Notice that he didn't wait to find out whether I was serious or not; he just didn't care.
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Like Nacho is doingGuderian wrote:Calling people town in an effort to get them to like you is a common scum tactic to make it appear hard to lynch 'the nice guy'.
You are so horribly fabricating things now that are patently false its ridiculous.
Like Parama is doing
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Oh, you dodged the rhetorical question bit, too, now that nhammen brought that up. Why did you think it was not rhetorical?-
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First off, your vote was based on:Guderian wrote:I asked you straight up, are you serious. No joke involved.
Why should I be going after nacho or parama? What about them would you like me to look at and evaluate?
"Are you serious?"
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"If so, then you need to be lynched"
meaning that if I WAS serious, then I needed to be lynched, otherwise, I...didn't need to be lynched, I guess?
I never said it was a joke, I said it was rhetorical, and you didn't wait for reasoning before putting a vote on me. You never wanted an answer, you never wanted information. That means it's rhetorical.
Second of all, I'm saying that I am counting off my town reads in the same fashion that Nacho, Parama and 60% of the mafiascum community do. So, why am I the target and not the other people in this game, especially when they have said thesame exact thingthat I have? (In the following order no less: Nacho, DemonHybrid, Parama).-
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Not one person has found a "hole" in my logic that I was not able to refute, so I have no clue what the hell you're talking about.-
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Please find some examples of these holes.Untrod Tripod wrote:holes. you're digging them for yourself. then people vote for you.-
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Read ahead, especially the TL;DR that I presented Guderian.Interesting comment. Because looking back, you used this nonserious vote to springboard into accusations against other players. And yet, by the time of this post at least, you have not made what you consider to be a serious vote. In fact, you are just piggybacking off of other players' accusations against EPM, while denying that your own accusations are serious. Wow!
Inadvertently.I'm not understanding this section of this post. What do you mean by soft defending? Wouldn't he be soft-implying that he believes EPM is scum, whatever his alignment is?
This is what's going on:
I'm voting EPM, I think he's scummy. On the premise that EPM is scum, I believe Guderian to be scum. If EPM is town, I would need to reread.
Guderian freaks out about this and votes me for "suspecting him" when I did nothing of the case, but him doing that gives me reason to suspect EPM more. Why would he freak out to me saying "I think you are scum IF EPM is scum" if there was no connection?
You are assuming that your logic is absolutely correct. This is bothering me quite a bit. Also, you are saying that if EPM is scum, then Guderian is scum. If EPM is not scum, then Guderian looks scummy. How is this not lining up lynches?I HAVE SAID THIS LIKE 5 TIMES. IF EPM IS SCUM, I BELIEVE GUDERIAN IS SCUM. IF EPM IS TOWN, I NEED TO REREAD GUDERIAN. 5 TIMES.
He probably wouldn't have made a post like that. Nacho summed it up quite nicely when he talked meta with EPM, look back.Ummm... I kinda assumed that his votes were for people he had played with before. So, what if he hadn't played with any of his scumbuddies before?
Yeah, I would have said the same thing, had Guderian not went all "OMGWTFJIAOFJIOAGIOSGNIO" about my "If EPM is scum, Guderian is scum" logic. Guderian cemented it, not EPM.Lots of assumptions here. But this part is just bad logic, not a scumtell.
No, he shouldn't be worried about that, because they have no connection. Even IF EPM turned out to be scum and Guderian is town, he would have to worry about proving his innocence at that point, not freak out about the future like he's doing now. I never said I fully suspected Guderian directly, only in regards to EPM. I never said I would vote Guderian today, and I probably won't. So what reasoning does he have to freak out like this?If he is Town, he has to worry about the possibility that EPM is scum, and people believe your horrible logic.
This sentence holds no purpose.Maybe you are just dumb Town. Hmmm... I still think you are scummy enough to hold my vote for now.
Because they haven't been involved enough with the people I have reads on to have a clear read on them?You may want to take a look at the two players you listed under "I dunno". Specifically think about why they are under I dunno. Also, why did you single out Tyler for this behavior?
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If you're wondering why him and not anyone else, at least everyone else has at least commented SOMETHING on someone involved in the game so far. Even UT and Ross. Tyler has not said a thing about anyone, instead preferring to comment on the setup.-
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@tylerjarvis, are you suspecting me only because I'm aggressive?
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Your HoS clearly states that you're suspecting me for aggressive behavior. My logic is the SAME as Nacho's, so which is it?tylerjarvis wrote:Demon, I'm suspecting you because you're making unnecessary and illogical judgments, and making connections that I honestly don't think someone would make if they weren't fishing.
Obviously I'm not completely sold on the idea yet, because i haven't voted for you. But come on, I know you can be much more rational than you've been in this game.-
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First of all, this has no content and a weird unvote.Oh my god! You really can't read! You essentially just agreed with EPM here, and at the same time argued with him! You know what? I am deciding that DH is just dumb Town.
UNVOTE:
On another note, this game is starting to make me quite annoyed. I should probably stop posting now, before I say something I will regret.
2nd of all, what about my post don't you get? EPM is fencesitting, saying "Don't say that nacho is obvtown, but don't consider him a scum suspect". I'm saying that everyone is either town or they are not town. If they are NOT obvtown, then they should be suspected, since that's how mafia works.
You are arguing for the sake of arguing. By not doing anything scummy, all of his actions have been considered by me, and by others, to be pro-town. It doesn't need to be explicitly stated. Weak argument.I believe you have fundamentally misunderstood the concept of a Town list. You do not put someone on a Town list because the haven't done anything scummy. You put them on a Town list because they have done something clearly protown. EPM is telling Parama that nacho has not done anything clearly protown (which I disagree with), so he should not be on a Town list. Obviously some players disagree,and would definitely not like nacho to be lynched.
Both 1 and 2 are scummy. 1 is scummy not because of the OMGUS itself, but because he denied that it was OMGUS....okay, that's fine and good, but he's also denying that he's overreacting about my logic on EPM+Guderian, which would have to mean that he's OMGUSing.You cannot just say something is scummy. You say that both 1 and 2 are scummy, but do not justify this. Why are these things scumtells? Use that brain and THINK rather than mindlessly using some acronym to attack someone.
2 is scummy because....well, he's overreacting. He's basically admitting that he's overreacting about my EPM+Guderian logic. I don't see what's so hard to get about this.
Wrong again. Parama's logic insinuates that Guderian and EPM are on one team, while I'm on the other. Guderian insinuates that I'm scum and that there are two teams, with an unknown on my team and 2 unknowns on the other.You are correct, except for the fact that Guderian first mentioned this idea in post 47 and Parama mentioned it in post 54. Speaking of which, I really liked Parama's post 54. What did nacho and iamausername say about Guderian's case that you would like him to respond to. Because on isoing these players I see some rhetorical questions from nacho (oooh! what a scumtell!) and he had already answered iamausername's comment.
Yes, he is putting words into my mouth, and so are you. I said I would re-read. I can say that his play hasn't been too stellar at the moment, but it's nothing to vote him over, and it's certainly not going to mean that I'm going to auto-vote him if EPM flips town, assuming EPM is lynched Day 1.Except for the fact that in post 46 you said that if EPM is not scum then Guderian has "contradicted something already, so I don't have high hopes for you". So, you HAVE said that if EPM is not scum, then Guderian looks scummy. Which looks like lining up lynches to me. But of course he is putting words into your mouth.
Yeah, well answer me this. Why ender and why no one else?Yurch!
What in the-
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You do realize that ender has posted even LESS comments than your suspect tyler?
These are a good series of questions.
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No, I mean, in regards to Guderian asking ender if he was crazy or not. Why did Guderian ask ender that and no one else?-
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Nothing that he talked about involved one scum faction total and you can't honestly prove that he had that in mind regardless. Can you contribute more?Empking wrote:Vote: Nacho- He wasn't originally aware of there being two scum factions.-
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I'm going to attempt to crop down the wall posts here, it's starting to grate on me and everyone else, surely.
Nah, what I said as far as Guderian's current scumminess is "Guderian looks scummy now due to his overreaction, but I would still need to reread him if EPM flipped town, regardless of his current scumminess."But the quote I am replying to shows you saying SOMETHING DIFFERENT, and THAT is what I am referring to. You can keep saying that B is what you believe, but that doesn't change the fact that you said A. Although, scum will rarely act the way you have, so...
He does have a slight point, though. He never started out with a ton of info, you have to realize that. EPM's careful reaction to it and Guderian's explosion to my follow-up kind of enforces it.Except I really don't see how that meta shows what nacho suggests it shows.
I could vote Guderian, but I think that if that happens and he flips scum, this doesn't tell us a thing about EPM. I think that if EPM, who is scummy enough in my opinion, flips scum, this strengthens the case on Guderian. If he flips town, that means that I might have been off about something and am potentially avoiding lynching a townie.This is one thing I am wondering about. Why wont you vote Guderian today? I would think that logically, with the viewpoint you have, he would make a better vote than EPM.
First, how is it bad that I was planning to lynch two scum in a row, ONLY IF the first person flipped scum? If EPM were to flip town, I would re-read to either prevent a townie death or to be absolutely sure that the case against Guderian holds enough water to still follow it. I'm not perfect, still far from an "amazing" mafia player.So, obviously people should only be concerned with the here and now, even if you have stated what your plans for the future are. You are saying that the townie thing to do was to ignore what you said???
Take a look at everyone's first "serious" post. UT says "I basically have no clue what is going on, but I'm comfortable with my DH vote" which is still a little bit. ender has commented on me, if only slightly. Tyler's first serious post contained nothing but setup speculation, and no names except for UT, who....you guessed it, joked around about setup speculation. It's not an arbitrary pick.It is the same reason. What I'm pointing out is that there are FOUR players that have exhibited the same behavior, and yet, you are only going after one of them. Why? Also, UT has commenented on people? Where do you see this? Also, what about ender? I can see that Ross has made a comment about not liking EPM or DH (with no reason), so that is at least a little bit, but I'm not considering it as valid until he gives reasons. Those four players are all highly scummy to me, because they have all posted useless junk.
Okay...And what about my post don't you get? Because what I'm saying is that you completely misread his post. That is NOT what EPM was saying, and if you looked at his post in context, you would have realized this. What he was saying is that he wanted Parama to take nacho off of his (Parama's) Town list, because while he(nacho) hadn't done anything scummy, he(nacho) hasn't done anything townie either (in EPM's opinion). And your reply says that if he hasn't done anything Townie, then he shouldn't be on a town list, which is EXACTLY what EPM was saying. Please try understanding a conversation before replying to it.
in my mind, and what most people should believe, is this:
If you are obvtown, then you should not be put on a scumlist.
If you are not obvtown, then you should not be exempt from being suspected, because it's mafia and anyone could be scum.
EPM is saying this:
Do not say Nacho is obvtown, but don't suspect him.
This is right in the middle, grey area.
For the record, I am not holding this against EPM, either. It's just something of note.
Yes, in this context.Question: is overreacting scummy? If so, why are you voting for EPM rather than Guderian? If not, why are you using it as an argument?
See earlier as to why I'm voting EPM over Guderian.
As to why I'm using it as an argument, I'm looking to see if there really is a connection between the two. Why should Guderian overreact if EPM being scum would mean I suspect him? He shouldn't, at all, because EPM's alignment isn't revealed. Defending is okay, but not to this extent and not in the current context, not when it means his future potential survival when absolutely no information has been placed on the table. It is scummy at the moment, but all that could change; I'd rather EPM flip first before I make a 100% decision on Guderian.
Guderian states idea #1. (me on one team, ??? as the other scum)So where is the sheeping you mentioned, if they are now two different ideas? Earlier, you said that Guderian is sheeping Parama, and when I point out that Guderian had the idea first, you now say that they were completely different ideas. So which is it?
Parama states idea #2 (me on one team, Guderian on the other)
Guderian parrots idea #2 (Parama's onto something, maybe DH is on one team and someone he suspects is on the other, namely EPM), you know, the part that you said I was correct about.
See, that's what happens when you run on "implications" when not in RVS. Yes, misunderstandings.Your earlier quote heavily implied that you felt that it was something to vote him over. But I guess that whole thing was just a misunderstanding on everyones part?
I never thought, stated nor planned that I would vote Guderian today.
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Point out where he assumed there was only one scum faction then.-
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I'll work on a reply to nhammen in a few hours.
Also, Parama, we do NOT need to come to a lynch right now. That's absurd. I agree that we need more vote information, but it IS only page 6.-
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Ugh...
I'm starting to understand the hatred of hydras.
Nacho/Mastin, can you guys keep posting under one account and not have schizophrenic reads? This game is becoming really tiring.-
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No, what I mean by schizophrenic reads, is that you and Nacho need to get together and discuss things before you provide output. Both heads disagreeing drives me crazy and I will count that as contradictions.-
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Agree on everything. Everything else will be marked down as a contradiction.Calcifer wrote:
We agree on more than we disagree; that is good enough for me.DemonHybrid wrote:No, what I mean by schizophrenic reads, is that you and Nacho need to get together and discuss things before you provide output. Both heads disagreeing drives me crazy and I will count that as contradictions.
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You aren't considered two different players though. You are considered one. That's the risk you take with hydras.
Agree with everything before you produce output in a QT or on AIM or something or I'm replacing out.-
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I seriously didn't think I had to say that after EPM said that Nacho and Cal were different and I told him that he wasn't reading.
You guys are following each other's reads, I'm sure of it now.-
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Derp.Guderian wrote:By the way, that was impressive how fast you got here to try and spin that in a scummy manner DH.-
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Speaking of which,@Mod: Can you update the first post with replacements?-
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Seriously, that "you're trying to spin that in a scummy manner" doesn't mean anything, seeing as how you and EPM, to my knowledge, were the only ones to make that mistake.Guderian wrote:Derp =???
Even bvoigt, the guy who JUST REPLACED IN saw that Calcifer replaced Nacho as a Nacho/Mastin hydra. They read, and you two don't.
However, I'd still like to see EPM's lynch before yours.-
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It's really too much to ask that a hydra gets their shit straight before putting it in writing, huh?And seriously? Fucking replace out if you're going to bitch and whine about everything. People have different opinions, get used to it.-
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You obviously missed my point, but its okay.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Unnecessary hydra badgering detected.DemonHybrid wrote:
It's really too much to ask that a hydra gets their shit straight before putting it in writing, huh?And seriously? Fucking replace out if you're going to bitch and whine about everything. People have different opinions, get used to it.-
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Dude, get over yourself. It's ONE player slot and it needs to be treated that way. I don't really feel like participating in something where it's unanimously agreed that one player slot going
"I believe this"
"Well I believe the opposite of that"
is okay.
Lets say I sit here and I go:
"EPM is scum, lets lynch him"
and then the next post I go
"Nah, I don't believe EPM is scum, actually. He's fine."
You'd lynch the fuck out of me, right? Why does Cal get a free pass?-
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Basically, in the long run:
I don't mind hydras. I've played with them before and I'm playing with them currently. However, I have an intolerance of purposeful confusion just because both heads think that "agreeing on...well, almost everything" is okay when it is clearly not. I like both heads, but I feel like my request isn't a hard one to satisfy.-
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Note that I mean no disrespect to either head (Nacho or Mastin) or anyone hounding me on this point, but the point still stands.-
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Thank you, I appreciate it. Trying is fine.I understand Demon's take on the Hydra situation, now, and I'll try to keep to the request.-
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You say that after that matter was cleared up. Yeah, you don't gain any cool points.@DH on hydra nonsense: NOBODY CARES. Take it to MD postgame and stop clogging the thread.-
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How come?DrippingGoofball wrote:A peanut sat on the railroad track
When the 5:15 came by,
Choo Choo! Peanut butter.
VOTE: DemonHybrid-
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I agree with Parama. werewolf's reaction to the wagon fails. However, I'd prefer to react to a claim and hammer if it's okay with everyone.
For the record, I just did a count and werewolf is L-2.-
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